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		<title>By: dallas dating</title>
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		<dc:creator>dallas dating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve truly appreciated reading your posts.  You clearly know what that you are talking about!  Your site is so effortless to navigate also, I&#039;ve bookmarked it in my favourites :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve truly appreciated reading your posts.  You clearly know what that you are talking about!  Your site is so effortless to navigate also, I&#8217;ve bookmarked it in my favourites <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Susanna mistress Steinhauser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susanna mistress Steinhauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 15:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So yeah , I finally readed some thing ionteresting today , post a lot more about this please .. bookamrked!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So yeah , I finally readed some thing ionteresting today , post a lot more about this please .. bookamrked!</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/30/why-are-bmw-really-quitting-f1/comment-page-3/#comment-274999</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 07:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its just business, and money talks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its just business, and money talks.</p>
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		<title>By: Pink Peril</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pink Peril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that they haven&#039;t helped FOTA&#039;s cause - but who is the member of FOTA? BMW or BMW-Sauber &amp; Mario Theissen? Bit of a difference there. I&#039;m sure Theissen remembers his obligations to FOTA, but sadly, he doesn&#039;t have the final say. He is as much a victim of economic rationalisation as the rest of the BMW-Sauber team.

Personally, I think that if there were still races in the USA or Canada, we wouldn&#039;t be having this discussion.

Blame Canada !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that they haven&#8217;t helped FOTA&#8217;s cause &#8211; but who is the member of FOTA? BMW or BMW-Sauber &amp; Mario Theissen? Bit of a difference there. I&#8217;m sure Theissen remembers his obligations to FOTA, but sadly, he doesn&#8217;t have the final say. He is as much a victim of economic rationalisation as the rest of the BMW-Sauber team.</p>
<p>Personally, I think that if there were still races in the USA or Canada, we wouldn&#8217;t be having this discussion.</p>
<p>Blame Canada !</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the BMW press relese is just greenwash and short termisam alot of teh otehr series they compete in 95% of the public havnt heard of.

the only other race with anything like the clout of f1 is Le Mans and thats Audi&#039;s playground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the BMW press relese is just greenwash and short termisam alot of teh otehr series they compete in 95% of the public havnt heard of.</p>
<p>the only other race with anything like the clout of f1 is Le Mans and thats Audi&#8217;s playground.</p>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think BMW did the right thing, although &quot;we as fans&quot; will miss them very much! But one things for sure we will always stay loyal to the Brand! Max and Bernie on the other hand are just racist scabs, and I think the world has seen that for themselves the sooner those bum bags dissapear from the F1 the better!! Long live BMW and may you prosper and achieve in other sectors as you always do! BMW SAUBER you came and showed the world what magnificent cars and engines you have, you will truely be missed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think BMW did the right thing, although &#8220;we as fans&#8221; will miss them very much! But one things for sure we will always stay loyal to the Brand! Max and Bernie on the other hand are just racist scabs, and I think the world has seen that for themselves the sooner those bum bags dissapear from the F1 the better!! Long live BMW and may you prosper and achieve in other sectors as you always do! BMW SAUBER you came and showed the world what magnificent cars and engines you have, you will truely be missed!</p>
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		<title>By: toma</title>
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		<dc:creator>toma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quality, Ronman. BMW copped out because let&#039;s face it, being at the back of the grid was just too painful for a company which prides itself in being Germany&#039;s sportiest manufacturer. All this codswallop about green is a diversion. Of course BMW is going green, but do you think they would be quitting if they were well in the points??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quality, Ronman. BMW copped out because let&#8217;s face it, being at the back of the grid was just too painful for a company which prides itself in being Germany&#8217;s sportiest manufacturer. All this codswallop about green is a diversion. Of course BMW is going green, but do you think they would be quitting if they were well in the points??</p>
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		<title>By: dsob</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For all their faults, the FIA have been warning about this for years….&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And for years it has been FiA, well of course read that &quot;Mosley&quot;, that has done everythig possible to drive a stake through the heart of the manufacturers.

From back when Mosley was legal advisor to Formula One Constructors Association-which did NOT include the manufacturers-Mosley has held no great love for the manufacturers and has, at any possible opportunity, done whatever he could to hurt them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For all their faults, the FIA have been warning about this for years….</p></blockquote>
<p>And for years it has been FiA, well of course read that &#8220;Mosley&#8221;, that has done everythig possible to drive a stake through the heart of the manufacturers.</p>
<p>From back when Mosley was legal advisor to Formula One Constructors Association-which did NOT include the manufacturers-Mosley has held no great love for the manufacturers and has, at any possible opportunity, done whatever he could to hurt them.</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
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		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This call came right from the top (BMW board),when you devalue a Brand name like Max the Nazi and Bernie Hitler right before the German GP you know heads are going to roll...it&#039;s not about cost. An just a side note HP will be out of F1 soon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This call came right from the top (BMW board),when you devalue a Brand name like Max the Nazi and Bernie Hitler right before the German GP you know heads are going to roll&#8230;it&#8217;s not about cost. An just a side note HP will be out of F1 soon</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Menon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Menon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s been a lot of discussion about manufacturers in the past couple days, I think I stand by the notion that manufacturers should just supply engines, or have a joint venture like Mclaren and Mercedes.

The problem with the big time mnaufacturers is that, F1 is just a another facet of their businesses, not like Ferrari, where F1 racing is the embodiment of the company brand and its products. The big guns go into F1 with deep coffers and they tend to exercise their financial clout, because they can. But, as in all businesses, basic economics will come into play. If your returns don&#039;t add up to your capital, it wouldn&#039;t make sense anymore.

This was the case with Honda, now BMW and soon to be Toyota, maybe Renault too. Honda spent billions, and they got 1 win, excluding Brawn&#039;s success. Toyota are in the same boat, Renault did win two World Championships, but they&#039;ve been going backwards since then.

BMW have had reasonable success, but for the amount they spent, they would probably have been expecting to be consistent front runner by now, this season especially after last seasons success. If it wasn&#039;t for the economic downturn, they probably would have considered writing off this season and seriously focus for next season.

The same can be said about all the other manuacturers. If the economy was rosy..we wouldn&#039;t be having this conversation now would we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s been a lot of discussion about manufacturers in the past couple days, I think I stand by the notion that manufacturers should just supply engines, or have a joint venture like Mclaren and Mercedes.</p>
<p>The problem with the big time mnaufacturers is that, F1 is just a another facet of their businesses, not like Ferrari, where F1 racing is the embodiment of the company brand and its products. The big guns go into F1 with deep coffers and they tend to exercise their financial clout, because they can. But, as in all businesses, basic economics will come into play. If your returns don&#8217;t add up to your capital, it wouldn&#8217;t make sense anymore.</p>
<p>This was the case with Honda, now BMW and soon to be Toyota, maybe Renault too. Honda spent billions, and they got 1 win, excluding Brawn&#8217;s success. Toyota are in the same boat, Renault did win two World Championships, but they&#8217;ve been going backwards since then.</p>
<p>BMW have had reasonable success, but for the amount they spent, they would probably have been expecting to be consistent front runner by now, this season especially after last seasons success. If it wasn&#8217;t for the economic downturn, they probably would have considered writing off this season and seriously focus for next season.</p>
<p>The same can be said about all the other manuacturers. If the economy was rosy..we wouldn&#8217;t be having this conversation now would we?</p>
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