Schumacher won’t get F60 test (Poll)

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Schumacher drove the F2007 but won't get a go in an F60
Schumacher drove the F2007 but won't get a go in an F60

Michael Schumacher will not get to sample a 2009-spec Ferrari F60 after three teams blocked the move.

The opposition came from Williams and Red Bull/Toro Rosso. The latter objected because they claim to have made a similar request for Jaime Alguersuari which had been turned down. Williams, meanwhile, said Ferrari should have used one of their nominated reserve drivers.

Should Schumacher be allowed to test a 2009-spec F1 car?

  • Yes (34%)
  • No (66%)

Total Voters: 2,481

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Mercedes’ Norbert Haug, who was in favour of granting Schumacher a test, seemed to think Red Bull had not made such a request for Alguersuari:

Giving Jaime a test would have been justifiable, but having said that I don’t think there was an official request.

He added:

You will find some guys that will try to block it. But what goes around comes around. They will need some help at another stage. It’s not giving people presents, it’s being fair when it’s justifiable.

Williams would presumably respond that this is what reserve drivers are for and their nominated third driver, Nico H???lkenberg, drove the FW31 over the winter.

It’s not hard to see why Ferrari plumped for Schumacher when the opportunity arose, nor why they chanced their arm on getting him a test in the current car.

He has, of course, already logged 67 laps at Mugello in an F2007 using GP2 slicks. There were rumours the FIA were unhappy about this but there has been nothing forthcoming from the governing body.

You don’t need me to rattle off Schumacher’s daunting career stats to prove how gigantically experienced he is. If the F60 is as competitive at Valencia as it was at the Hungaroring then even if he hasn’t tested it yet he’s a candidate for the win.

And you have to wonder if that’s part of the reason why some of the other teams don’t want him testing.

Do you think he should be allowed a day’s driving in the F60?

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  1. It is fair enough.

    There is nothing really to be said in this situation. Those are the rules, and it would look rather silly if Schumacher got special treatment to test while other drivers did not. So the way I see it, the rules need to stand, or if the ban is to be lifted then it should be lifted for all teams equally.

    Overall, it is obvious that this is not fair to new driver or drivers that have not raced in F1 for a while. But under the current circumstances there is nothing that can be done.

    1. There is nothing really to be said in this situation.

      But this is the internet so there’s always going something to say :-)

  2. Apparently Toro Rosso asked for an exception for Jamie A to test their car, and were denied, so I think this is fair.

    1. if that’s true for Jaume then I agree. Otherwise I think new drivers should have the chance to test the car for a day at least.

      Testing ban is stupid.

      1. Agreed.

        He’s should be allowed though because of Jaime’s situation.

        I was wondering. People that voted yes, I assume that means “Yes if Jaime were allowed too”

    2. First off, I want to make it clear I think the testing ban is a bad idea for just this reason. It makes it harder for teams to get rid of bad drivers to make way for someone who might have the chance of being one of the good drivers of the next generation, so I think it should go. But the rule exists, so any discussion must include it. Still when enforcing a rule its as important to look at its intent as it is to look at the straight letter of the law.

      Now, that being said, I think this situation is completely different than the situation STR and Jamie were in. In the case of STR they made the decision to make a voluntary change in their driver lineup with the realization that the testing ban would make just such a change harder. Despite the testing ban and the fact that it would likely result in Jamie’s first few races turning into nothing but extended testing sessions, they still make the decision to change drivers. In that case they knew the rules and made a decision in spite of them, so refusing Jamie testing time is at least somewhat valid.

      Ferrari’s situation is quite different. The team didn’t just decide to make a driver change, it was forced upon them by Massa’s accident. Given the choice of having Massa drive (who has been performing well and nearly won the championship last year) and having an over 40 Schumacher (who is years away from the cockpit) drive, its a no brainer its Massa all the way. That’s what makes this completely different. Its Ferrari trying to do what they can to mitigate the damage to their team from the collision. In this case I could see an exception being made, since this is an exceptional situation.

      There is a world of difference between a driver change being made by choice and one being made due to having a driver nearly killed and physically unable to drive in the next race.

  3. I’m amazed Ferrari even thought it was a good idea, now more than ever the rules have to be seen as firm, and final; for ALL teams.

  4. I agree… a testing ban is in place so unless they allow all teams to have a day… it doesn’t work…

    How great would that be… to see testing again.. anybody else miss it a great deal…!! put that up for a poll and I bet we get 100%… :)

    1. I for one don’t miss it. This way big teams can’t outspend smaller teams by having more testing days. Ferrari used to have cars running on 2 tracks at the same time – if that isn’t the waste of money I don’t know what is.

  5. Granted, rules are rules…We all want to set an even playing ground for all involved, despite the halo of “Legendary” status hovering over any driver’s head. Those rules ought to remain untouched and obeyed to the letter…

    However, to be honest, its is no easy task ignoring the fact that this is a legend were talking about. The great of the past comes to challenge the great of the present. This race is an answer to our “What-if” questions which we so badly want answers to ever since he retired. Would the legend stay solid against legends-in-the-making. I believe Massa’s accident was truly a tragedy, but it also gave way to the opportunity of bringing the past to the present. I, personally, only wanted to see the legend in his best form…thru testing. That would be an awesome site…however, who knows, the legend might not need the extra help. They have ways pulling off the unexpected…

  6. Fair enough,testing ban so they have to respect it.Secondly FOTA had made the rule change.

  7. I think in the interests of safety a replacement driver should be allowed some time in the car. However, this would need a rule change. As of now, no, Schumacher shouldn’t get a test because the rules are clear.

  8. No definitely not…. as much as i admire Schumi’s experience and accomplishments, i don’t think the rules should be bent further for him. He’s already warped enough of them in his career.

    He’s got a ton of experience, and if Jaime Alguessari could beat his teammate on his first ever F1 race, i think Schumi would be capable of scoring his 92nd win or at the very least his 190th podium without turning a wheel in that specific car.

    so i say he shouldn’t…

  9. Prisoner Monkeys
    4th August 2009, 7:48

    In one way, I agree with it, but in another way, I really don’t.

    On the one hand, I get Red Bull and Toro Rosso’s stance: Schumacher shouldn’t have a test because Jaime Alguersuari didn’t get one.

    But on the other hand, I can’t help but see it as a political move to try and scupper Schumacher’s chances. If he has no test beforehand, the first time he gets into the car will be Friday practice. And while he’ll no doubt be up to speed by qualifying and the race, there’s more pressure involved, and I can’t help but think that the teams want it that way because they’re intimidated by him. Schumacher is notoriously difficult to pass because he’s so damn good at defensive driving, and with KERS he’ll be even harder to overtake. But if he has minimal track time beforehand, there’s a chance the other teams can get the jump on him, something which I think is really unfair.

    Once again, the racing takes place off the circuit.

    1. And while he’ll no doubt be up to speed by qualifying and the race, there’s more pressure involved
      I take issue with this statement. You don’t get to a world champion unless you can handle the pressure. Like you said, he’ll be up to speed, and he’ll be near the front.

      Personally, I find it annoying that Ferrari even requested an F60 test for Schumi, but it’s not F1 w/o drama.

    2. Surely if it’s a political move for the other teams to veto it, surely it is also a political move for Ferrari to request it in the first place?

      Ferrari are being more than a little cheeky here given that (a) they know Alguesuari didn’t get a chance to test and (b) it’s only Michael ******* Schumacher! The most successful F1 racing driver ever.

      Rules are rules and for once Ferrari should try to keep to them!

  10. should he be allowed to test? No rules are rules, same for everyone.

    would i have liked him to test? Yes, i want him to mop the floor with kimi.

  11. I’m with Norbert Haug on this one.

    He doesn’t see a problem in giving Schumacher some mileage in a new car. Who cares anyway? It’s not like he is going to test new parts. He will get to know the car. Big deal.

    “Giving Jaime a test would have been justifiable, but having said that I don’t think there was an official request.”

    So if Red Bull ever sent out a request they forgot to tell Norbert Haug. For that matter they forgot to tell the world press. Who DID they ask? Mosley?

    STR made the choice to swap drivers on their own. Massa was injured and Ferrari are forced to replace him. They could use one of the test drivers, but then they hardly tested either.

    On the other hand, I don’t really see why Schumacher would need a test. My only concern would be safety, but if he tests in an older spec car he should be able to get used to driving an F1 car again to.

    Still, I don’t see a problem in it and I agree that other rookies should be allowed to test. In fact BMW motioned for this already.

    It would be good for F1 and show that people care and that they can be united.

    Instead what do they do? They show they don’t give a hoot about another team’s problems and they show they cannot agree on even the little things. It’s another embarrassment.

  12. Is it me, or does the F2007 look spectacular with slicks?

    1. It’s not just you. :)

      Although it would be even better with the aero winglets stripped off.

      1. Yep, thats how the 2009 cars should look

        1. It’s a stunner alright! :D

    2. F2007 looks awesome, I must say the 2007 McLaren MP4-22 was great too

  13. As a Schumi fan, I would want him to get a test.

    But No, Ferrari will definitely test some new parts in that tests, its in their blood. And, Schumi is too good. Friday practice is enough for him to get acclimatised to the car.

  14. Hang on, is everybody (including Norbert) saying that Old Schuey is allowed special dispensation to test a Ferrari BECAUSE he is an ex-world champion, whereas a complete rookie like Jaime is not allowed to test BECAUSE he has never seen an F1 car before? Isn’t that completely illogical and back-to-front thinking?
    If anything, an ex-world champion needs hardly any pre-testing to know how the car behaves, whereas a rookie will need all the help they can get.
    I’m with Frank on this one, which is rare for me. Why have Ferrari brought back Schuey when they have two perfectly good test drivers already, both of which actually know the current F60? Of course, he will learn the car very quickly and be competitive, thats how he is, but why have they bothered having any other drivers at all if they are always going to turn to him when there is a crisis?
    Also, this now makes me wonder what special dispensation may or may not be allowed for Piquet Jrs replacement at Renault…….

    1. well their perfectly good test drivers that supposedly know the F60 are not so perfectly good in competition and dont know the F60. the F60 has changed a lot since they drove it last, so they have same stance in that respect as Shumi.

      but i say no to the test exemption…i’m sure in one weekend, shumi will give as much development input and by the next race the car will have evolved stratospherically

      1. shumi will give as much development input and by the next race the car will have evolved stratospherically

        My brother worked for FIAT Corporation several years and he was involved in several Ferrari activities.

        He commented to me, that some day, talking about Michael with one Ferrari engineer:

        “Michael has the most sensitive ash of the grid, he give us a lot of useful information about the car”

        1. Ash* = Ass


    2. Hold your horsies DGR-F1, no one said Jaime wasn’t allowed to test. See what Haug said, he said STR didn’t ask for the test for the rookie. No one is saying because MS is ex-champion that he should get special treatment.

      The problem lies on the fact if STR put in a test request or not. But I haven’t got the feeling that STR requested it.

      And because of that, I haven’t voted if MS should test the F60 or not. If STR DID request but rejected, then Ferrari shouldn’t allow MS to drive the F60. Or else, it is fair game for MS to try the F60.

    3. Hang on, is everybody (including Norbert) saying that Old Schuey is allowed special dispensation to test a Ferrari BECAUSE he is an ex-world champion, whereas a complete rookie like Jaime is not allowed to test BECAUSE he has never seen an F1 car before?

      No, that’s not what Norbert was saying. He said he was happy for Schumacher to be given a test in the F60 and that he was unaware of a similar request being made by STR on behalf of Alguarsuari.

      1. Of course he would have known had a request in fact been made by STR.

        STR are vague as usual in saying what they asked. They might have asked Mosley and if he answered “no, all the teams must agree”, they would now present that as “no”

        Same as with the double diffusers where they made it look like they propsed the same thing when in fact they had not.

        1. Of course he would have known had a request in fact been made by STR.

          You may be right that Norbert would have known had a test been requested, but I was just reiterating what Norbert said…

        2. Perhaps STR didn’t ask because they KNEW IT WAS AGAINST THE RULES?!?!?

          You can’t penalise them for that surely?

          1. Ehm … the fact that they were denied a test is Red Bull/STR’s reason for denying Schumacher this test.

            Or in your writing style:

            They claim THEY DID ASK, BUT NO ONE HEARD OF IT!?!?!?!!?!

          2. OK so there’s one question – did STR ask for a test? If they did, Haug doesn’t seem to have been informed. However, there is no reason for him to have been informed if they asked only the FiA, so the fact that Haug doesn’t know about it doesn’t really say anything. There has been no comment from the FiA as to whether they were asked by STR as far as I know. So claiming that they didn’t ask is conjecture at this stage and can’t be held against them, and if they say they did ask then what evidence is there to prove them wrong (other than Haug, who afaik had no reason to be informed)?

            However, even outside of all of that, even if they hadn’t asked they (and any other team) are still totally within their rights to veto the Schuey test simply because it’s against the rules. If STR didn’t ask, they could argue (although they haven’t) that they wouldn’t have asked as they knew it was against the rules and there was no point in asking.

            Whether the rules are sensible is a different question (I happen to think they aren’t) but not relevant to this situation where they have already been decided, agreed and adhered to by all the other teams.

            Or to go back to my original writing style, HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY DIDN’T ASK? HAVE YOU CHECKED WITH EVERYONE IN THE PADDOCK?!?!?!? ;o)

      2. OK, I understand from previous threads that STR possibly had not asked for Jaime to have any pre-testing before he raced.
        My point really is that the whole paddock, with very few exceptions appeared to allow Old Schuey to have pre-testing, purely because of who he is (or was!)
        Which also makes me ask, are Ferrari admitting that maybe he won’t live up to his reputation? Is he too old for the job, and they know it?

  15. Rules is rules n all that. As much as I want him to do well and be ready to bring some excitement to Valencia, we all know he’ll spend 10 minutes “acclimatising” and the rest of the day testing new bits and working on set-ups.
    Surely STR didn’t think to ask – expecting Jaime to be out of the way at the back minding his own business. That’s how new drivers get their baptism now dangerous or not. You know how anal F1 people are about looking at every angle of a situation before making a decision. They must have seen this situation arising before the testing ban was introduced.

  16. It’s a rule that must have never been there in the first place.

    Having said that, I don’t agree giving Ferrari a concession. By doing so, they will gain, potentially, a huge unfair advantage. Is it possible that Gene and Badoer can’t drive a Formula One car well? If so, why are they their test drivers? Just one day can mean a lot to evaluate parts on a car in Formula 1, so if this concession is allowed, it must be allowed to any team. Which brings us to the conclusion that by doing so, the whole rule will be nullified.

  17. TR chose to sack seb B (i cant spell his name) – and chose replace him with a driver with no experience. They deserve no testing day.

    But ferrari didnt choose to replace massa, they were forced to…. Yes – they could have replaced schumi with either test driver, but even then they would be quite rusty… straight line testing only recently. Given the accident was beyond control – I believe that ferrari at least deserve a chance to limit the damage by allowing their nominated driver some time to get used to the 2009 spec f1 car.

    1. HounslowBusGarage
      4th August 2009, 9:15

      But isn’t that the point that Williams were trying to make?
      Ferrari *have* two nominated reserve or back-up drivers already. So use one of them. That’s what they are for.
      If they want to use a completely different driver – Schumacher – because Ferrari think he will be better, they should not be given the further advantage of a day’s testing.
      Supposing they tested and Shumi turned out to be rubbish. Would you let them draft in Montoya or Villeneuve next and give them another day’s testing as well?
      I think the testing ban is daft, but while the rule is in place, it must apply to all the teams equally.

      1. Yup – I agree ferrari have tried to pull a fast and shifty one by electing Schumi instead of poor Gene or Badoer.

        I guess the point i was trying to make was that the STR situ and thie Ferrari situ were different, and therfore should not be judged on the same grounds.

        I understand that rules are rules (as much as they can be in F1) but i think Ferrari have/had enough of a case to at least ask for special consideration.

        either way – bring on valencia!! Cannot wait to see Mclaren duke it out with Ferrari again!

        1. HounslowBusGarage
          4th August 2009, 10:58

          I take your point completely; the STR and the Ferrari situations are completely different. And that’s why Williams concentrated on the fact that Ferrari should be using one of their nominated test/reserve drivers.
          I can’t imagine how Badoer and Gene feel at the moment. Ferrari themselves look pretty stupid, retaining two drivers and then not having the confidence to use either of them . . .

          1. Phone conversation:

            FIA:”Hello Ferrari…how ya doin’…gooood…look we are getting a lot of pressure around here of how to improve the show but we are having a hard time focusing because of all the rule changes and fighting off allegations of being dictators and nazis and stuff you know sooooo…it is time to start earning your extra insentive money,could you give everyone a distraction and take us out of the spotlight for awhile?”

            Ferrari:”Well lets see….we could get Schumacher to come out of retirement and stir the circus up a bit.”….”yeah that should do it,you pay our test drivers salary for doing nothing this season and we will talk to Schumi.”

    2. I wonder if the application would have been blocked if the FIA had lifted the test ban for ALL the teams?

  18. As the rules stand now he shouldn’t be allowed to test especially if Toro Rosso were turned down when they wanted Alguersuari to test, who was a complete F1 rookie.

    This will probably prompt a review of the ban on testing. If the ban on in season testing stays I think that teams should defiantly give their reserve driver a test in the current car during the pre-season testing, obviously it wouldn’t have made any difference for Alquersuari or Schumacher as they weren’t the reserve drivers before the start of the season.

    Another option would be to allow a one off test for a replacement driver but the team would not be allowed to bring use any new parts.

    Or they could partially lift the ban on testing and have one testing session for all the teams during the season but only allow them to use reserve drivers.

    As the ban on testing is all about reducing costs how about doing what they do in MotoGP, after some race weekends they stay on at the track and do testing on the Monday, as this would surely cut down on transport costs at least.

    1. Firstly, I agree that as the rules stand Schumi shouldn’t be allowed a day in the F60. However I also agree that the rules should be ammended.

      In my view any driver who has not driven in an F1 event that season should be allowed a mileage limited test day to aclimatise to the car in the event that they are brought in to the race team mid-season.

      I also agree that FOTA and the FiA should look at expanding the testing carried out at race circuits. I like your idea of them staying on at the circuit and testing on the Monday. They could include admission with the cost of a race day ticket and a lot of the costs would be reduced as the teams would already have everything they needed there. Perhaps they could allow 4 of these days a year and restrict the running to the teams’ reserve/test drivers.

  19. It’s been said it would have been sportsmanlike to let him test… But I see it as rather unsporting to even ask to be honest.

    The rules are clearly (!) set out at the start of the season, so get a test driver to do some laps over the winter like the other teams to be prepared.

    Ferrari should have been prepared for an injured driver like most of the other teams. I disagree with the OOOoO!

  20. The whole point of the testing ban is to stop teams developing new parts etc during the season, not to put them at a disadvantage if they have to switch drivers. The only difference between Toro Rosso’s situation and Ferrari’s is that TR’s change was voluntary.

    I think they both should have had a test – just one day, and in a car inspected by scrutineers and confirmed to be identical to the one used in the previous race. I know it’s unlikely, but imagine the furore if Schumacher has an accident because the 2009 car – which is visibly twitchy – gets away from him!

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