Schumacher won’t get F60 test (Poll)

Schumacher drove the F2007 but won't get a go in an F60

Schumacher drove the F2007 but won't get a go in an F60

Michael Schumacher will not get to sample a 2009-spec Ferrari F60 after three teams blocked the move.

The opposition came from Williams and Red Bull/Toro Rosso. The latter objected because they claim to have made a similar request for Jaime Alguersuari which had been turned down. Williams, meanwhile, said Ferrari should have used one of their nominated reserve drivers.

Should Schumacher be allowed to test a 2009-spec F1 car?

  • Yes (34%)
  • No (66%)

Total Voters: 2,481

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Mercedes’ Norbert Haug, who was in favour of granting Schumacher a test, seemed to think Red Bull had not made such a request for Alguersuari:

Giving Jaime a test would have been justifiable, but having said that I don’t think there was an official request.

He added:

You will find some guys that will try to block it. But what goes around comes around. They will need some help at another stage. It’s not giving people presents, it’s being fair when it’s justifiable.

Williams would presumably respond that this is what reserve drivers are for and their nominated third driver, Nico H???lkenberg, drove the FW31 over the winter.

It’s not hard to see why Ferrari plumped for Schumacher when the opportunity arose, nor why they chanced their arm on getting him a test in the current car.

He has, of course, already logged 67 laps at Mugello in an F2007 using GP2 slicks. There were rumours the FIA were unhappy about this but there has been nothing forthcoming from the governing body.

You don’t need me to rattle off Schumacher’s daunting career stats to prove how gigantically experienced he is. If the F60 is as competitive at Valencia as it was at the Hungaroring then even if he hasn’t tested it yet he’s a candidate for the win.

And you have to wonder if that’s part of the reason why some of the other teams don’t want him testing.

Do you think he should be allowed a day’s driving in the F60?

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116 comments on Schumacher won’t get F60 test (Poll)

  1. Dave Wykes said on 4th August 2009, 10:00

    If Ferraris want to give hima test then a Mugello Open Day is an option….maclaren testing in Mosco was OK.

    I agree with previous replies…”testing ban is stupid” and dangerous…as Fillipe.

    regards
    dave

  2. ajokay said on 4th August 2009, 10:18

    The guy doesn’t need to test. It’s not like he’s going top be rusty when he rocks up at Valencia on the Friday morning, he’s going to get in that Ferrari and be on the pace within 2 flying laps, stroll through to Q3 on Saturday, and be easily fighting for points and a podium on the Sunday.

    It’s correct that he shouldn’t be allowed to test this year’s car, but it’s also correct that he is Michael Schumacher, and therefore, doesn’t really need to.

  3. It’s clear this site doesn’t lack its share of Schumi bashers.

    Pretty stupid of FW: Ferrari should just test the F60 and stick two fingers to Red Bull and Williams.

  4. S Hughes said on 4th August 2009, 10:19

    Of course he shouldn’t be allowed to test. His coming back is a gimmick and you shouldn’t be able to bend the rules for one team/driver.

    The way this is being reported, you’d think that the majority of people think Schumacher should test, but from this poll, it is clear that most fans are fair and agree that he shouldn’t be allowed to test.

    Good result.

  5. I said No, not so much because it is against the rules but more because it would have given Ferrari lots of data from the probably the best F1 driver. This would have been totally unfair.

    I do think that Ferrari are pulling a fast one in using him. I personally think the rules should be altered so that the replacement must be the nominated test/standby driver, and if for some reason he is not available then a rookie must be recruited.

    I will not be surprised if on the Saturday of the race w/end if the Ferrari’s have gained another 0.2s or more on their opposition.

    And on the subject of rules, the total testing ban is un-wise. Probably someone proposed it, the accountants all shouted YES, nobody else had a chance to think through the consequences and it was passed.

  6. i think the argument of the red bull teams is correct. a 19 year old, “never drove a f1 car before”, absolutley zero experienced youngster managed to perform well. then why would a 40 year old, 7 times world champion with 16 seasons and 250 f1 races experience, driven many many different cars under different regulations and conditions. familiarizing with a new car would take him 2-3 rounds? :)

    so this is my thought about the rules, that refers to everyone, and from this aspect i don’t like the way, that ferrari tries to break the rules at the very first time.

    on the other hand, these rules are meant to decrease the costs, among others, and this way the teams don’t have to rent a race track (of course ferrari doesn’t have to anyway), don’t have to pack 6 trucks, drive hundreds of thousends of kilometers and back. but if the teams are at the location, they have done this anyway, so it could be a compromise, that schumacher has 2 hours of extra test time on thursday at valencia. dirty track, suboptimal conditions, but he gets what he want, and no extra costs. and this would apply to every newcomer during the season, grosjean, i guess, and retroactively for alguersuari as well, because he didn’t have such a chance either.

  7. Patrickl said on 4th August 2009, 10:39

    Would STR even have the money to organise a one day test for Jaime?

    Why would they even bother? They put him in the car specifically to practise for a few races so he will be ready next season. Why blow a boatload of money to get him up to speed sooner?

    Coupled with Norbert Haug (and I would assume Ferrari) never hearing of such a request, I really don’t believe STR (Red Bull) when they say “they asked”. Not the teams at least and that’s where they should have asked first.

    • Charlie said on 4th August 2009, 12:41

      Given that I can’t afford to buy a Ferrari, does that mean I shouldn’t be allowed to drive one? Not great logic on that point.

      As far as I know Haug isn’t the F1 rulemaker, that goes to the highly regarded (*ahem*) FiA. Ferrari were being polite in asking the teams, they didn’t have to. Did STR ask FiA? Know one knows either way at this stage so why shouldn’t you take them at their word?

      • Patrickl said on 4th August 2009, 15:59

        Well it’s a bit daft to complain that you are not “allowed” to buy a Ferrari if you simply don’t have the money to begin with.

        Think before you post!

  8. Mussolini's Pet Cat said on 4th August 2009, 10:39

    it’s a win win for Schumacher personally. If he fails to get to grips with the car, then he can blame the lack of testing. If he excels (which I think he will), then the German will look even more the hero.

  9. Matt said on 4th August 2009, 10:45

    Isn’t the issue here if he gets a weekend of driving for his own sake it will subsequently becomes “ferrari testing” and the car will reveal more and can be developed more.

    Yes it would be nice to let him test – but the obvious conclusion is theres no way to let him drive without it giving ferrari as a team an advantage.

  10. It is probably a case of, if STR asked, who did they ask.

    Didn’t one of the teams ask Charlie Whiting about double diffusers, and told they were not allowed. So they didn’t go down that route. Only to find out several teams did go down that route and then for them to subsequently be declared legal.

  11. Oliver said on 4th August 2009, 11:05

    Despite the fact M.Shumacher will not be aiming to win the world championship, I can understand Williams’ standpoint in that he will still be a competitor on track and stands to deprive them of some good finishing positions. Assuming his points were not going to be added to Ferrari’s tally, I doubt they’d mind very much, likewise Redbull.

    • Matt said on 4th August 2009, 12:30

      but his driving would still help improve the car and thus benefit ferrari as a whole – Raikkonen and Massa (if he returns before the end of the season)

    • Jenson Button: 68 points

      We have 70 points to fight for. Hey wait, it is possible!!!!!!!!!!

  12. James Brickles said on 4th August 2009, 11:14

    My opinion will be put very simply. If Jaime Alguersuari didn’t get a test before his first race, then Schumacher shouldn’t be allowed.

  13. I disagree with the testing ban as a whole, but since the rule was set I believe it should be followed.

    Not allowing Jaime Algesuari to test had set a precedent, that Ferrari should dutifully follow. However, what is unclear is whether Torro Rosso actually requested that he be excused. There was no news on this, so that is their loss.

    Personally, I think the FIA should solely make the decision in this case. And that ruling should be not allowing Schuey to test in the F60.

  14. Kenny77 said on 4th August 2009, 12:01

    Would letting him have a days test help him?… Or help the team improve their car somewhat? Even if it was only for a day. I was just wondering if Ferrarri are allowed to ‘improve’ or upgrade their car depending on Schumi’s F60 ‘test’.

  15. spanky the wonder monkey said on 4th August 2009, 12:02

    i said no due to 2 things.
    1 – a testing ban is a testing ban. same for all.
    2 – why didn’t ferrari substitute one of their test drivers? don’t see the point of having test drivers if you draft in someone you unceremoniously dumped years before.

    there are 3 free practice sessions before quali. this is ample time for any racer to get to grips with a car and circuit, let alone someone with MS’s history.

    • Adrian said on 4th August 2009, 12:31

      someone you unceremoniously dumped years before.

      And there was me thinking that Schumi retired having acheived just about everything he could in the sport and wanting to spend more time with his family. I didn’t realise he was fired – was it for poor results??

  16. Chris said on 4th August 2009, 12:14

    He could do what Ross Brawn has appear to have done and test on the Public Roads

    !!!!!!!!!

  17. Rob R. said on 4th August 2009, 12:19

    Another ridiculous predicament brought about by ham-fisted rule changes. Obviously the short sighted cretins who came up with the testing ban never thought about the needs of substitute drivers, or new replacements for fired drivers.

    However, I think even the FIA realise how stupid a PR move it would be to punish Schumacher for the test that happened on slicks, so, fingers crossed we won’t hear anything more about that.

  18. adz2193 said on 4th August 2009, 12:26

    The whole argument is pointless. It’s just another Formula 1 car, Schumacher’s driven about 20 different cars in his time in F1, and if Jaime Alguersauri at such a young age and with no F1 experience can do it in Hungary, then 7-time world champion Michael Schumacher should have no problem.

    • Patrickl said on 4th August 2009, 12:46

      Alguersuari was 8 tenths slower than Buemi. Fine for some youngster who comes in F1 having done only a straightline test and an F1 demo, but If Raikkonen is 8 tenths faster than Schumacher it will be a disgrace for Schumacher.

      People might say they don’t expect much, but that means that they expect him to be very close to Raikkonen if not in front.

  19. Tiomkin said on 4th August 2009, 12:42

    I find it amazing that there is such a debate on this. The rule is NO TESTING. Is it that hard to understand two words?

    Personally, I think the ban is dangerous. New drivers unleashed with no familiarity in the car. If someone is injured…. Well, all I can say is everyone knows deep down it is dangerous. But it is the RULE and I/we don’t make them.

  20. Alastair said on 4th August 2009, 13:03

    STR chose to replace one of their drivers with an inexperienced rookie, Ferrari CHOSE to replace one of their injured drivers with someone who has not driven in a race since 2006 and has had far less time behind the wheel of their current car than the driver Ferrari nominated as being the replacement driver in such an event.

    How can this be so difficult for people to grasp?

    In any case, the difficulty in 2009 is not driving the car, the simulator will help Schumi get to grips with all that, it’s managing the tyres and he’s been driving the 2007 car with the 2009 tyres, hasn’t he? Not difficult for Ferrari to simulate the amount of downforce he’ll have on the 2009 tyres, is there?

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