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	<title>Comments on: F1 links: No BMW buyer yet</title>
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		<title>By: Bartholomew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bartholomew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Schumacher was a divisive man, and Terminator Alonso made sure that the Kaiser divided no mo´
Fast Fred sent him packing, and thats history</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Schumacher was a divisive man, and Terminator Alonso made sure that the Kaiser divided no mo´<br />
Fast Fred sent him packing, and thats history</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thing Williams didn&#039;t accept the offer from BMW to buy into his team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thing Williams didn&#8217;t accept the offer from BMW to buy into his team.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 09:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus some of the fixed assets and not easily relocatable. If they are hoping on Manor, USGPE or Campos, picking up the assets, they can dream on. Albert1  and maybe Albert2 might be marketable. Although Albert1 goes back to before Sauber sold to BMW, and I cant see what Albert2 has done for BMW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus some of the fixed assets and not easily relocatable. If they are hoping on Manor, USGPE or Campos, picking up the assets, they can dream on. Albert1  and maybe Albert2 might be marketable. Although Albert1 goes back to before Sauber sold to BMW, and I cant see what Albert2 has done for BMW.</p>
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		<title>By: dwp</title>
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		<dc:creator>dwp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 08:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://joesaward.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;oe Saward&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; take on Sauber&#039;s chances of getting a buyer. Pretty bleak. Teams already have the assets they need so buying off bits and pieces is unlikely. The workers are the ones that will take the big hit. 

Still, I hope someone will pick it up. BMW really sucks on how they bungled this whole thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://joesaward.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">oe Saward&#8217;s</a> take on Sauber&#8217;s chances of getting a buyer. Pretty bleak. Teams already have the assets they need so buying off bits and pieces is unlikely. The workers are the ones that will take the big hit. </p>
<p>Still, I hope someone will pick it up. BMW really sucks on how they bungled this whole thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever you may say about Globalisation etc, honour is still very important in Japanese Business. And it would have been seen as dishonourable for them to have shut the F1 team down when there was a way to save a large number of the jobs by supporting Ross Brawn&#039;s buyout.

What I wonder in the BMW situation is, Peter Sauber is reported to still own a 20% share in the team. What&#039;s that worth to him now if the team isn&#039;t saved? I would be interested to hear Mario Thiesen&#039;s personal opinion on all this - though of cause we&#039;re not likely to any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever you may say about Globalisation etc, honour is still very important in Japanese Business. And it would have been seen as dishonourable for them to have shut the F1 team down when there was a way to save a large number of the jobs by supporting Ross Brawn&#8217;s buyout.</p>
<p>What I wonder in the BMW situation is, Peter Sauber is reported to still own a 20% share in the team. What&#8217;s that worth to him now if the team isn&#8217;t saved? I would be interested to hear Mario Thiesen&#8217;s personal opinion on all this &#8211; though of cause we&#8217;re not likely to any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Williams 4ever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Williams 4ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As a publicly traded company they have a mandate to ensure they get the maximum from any assets they have. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hmm so Honda Management apparently had none of those obligations to their Shareholders and Partners. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Things work differently in Japan, as anyone with corporate experience there will tell you – they have much more leeway, and doing each other favors is a way of life in the corporate world there.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks to Globalization  these are things of past and West has effectively forced its ways on rest of the world, and whatever you mentioned may not necessarily be true. 

It just shows the bargaining (Conning) Power of Nick Fry to suck last bit of juice from the lemon ;-).

At this moment Peter Sauber must be wishing he had Clone of Nick Fry on his team :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As a publicly traded company they have a mandate to ensure they get the maximum from any assets they have. </p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm so Honda Management apparently had none of those obligations to their Shareholders and Partners. </p>
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Things work differently in Japan, as anyone with corporate experience there will tell you – they have much more leeway, and doing each other favors is a way of life in the corporate world there.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks to Globalization  these are things of past and West has effectively forced its ways on rest of the world, and whatever you mentioned may not necessarily be true. </p>
<p>It just shows the bargaining (Conning) Power of Nick Fry to suck last bit of juice from the lemon <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>At this moment Peter Sauber must be wishing he had Clone of Nick Fry on his team <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Williams 4ever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Williams 4ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Cosworth didn’t exactly have reliable engines. &lt;/blockquote&gt; Correction under 2006 regulation Cosworth had two different sets of Engines rev limited V10s for STR ( Formerly Minardi) and new Spec V8 for Williams. Cosworth was the most reliable engine on that years grid. Most of the issues that Williams had that year were in other areas. Everytime Webber looked to be in position of finishing 5-6th he would retire with transmission/clutch/brake issues which essentially were Williams related issues. 

Further Cosworth was the only engine which could operate at highest rev limits without stress. I have some videos of Cosworth Engine tests compared with Competitors. 

Of the other teams Mercedes was never able to successully resolve their engine mapping related issues through out the year and their cars always were off the pace. 

Norbert Haug Hiring the Exodus from Cosworth got lots of knowledge base to Mercedes/McLaren and their Engine Department has delivered best power plant ever since.

Don&#039;t you remember Norbert Haug Basking in Brawn Glory and making comments &quot;Quality of Engines to our Partner Prove our Capability&quot; statements, and pass the buck to Woking Camp for Shambles in early 2009 season. I wish, Woking had shown some nerve in 2005-06 when Haugs Shortcomings caused them championship. Instead Ron Dennis took easy path and passed the blame on his drivers KR/JPM (Of course only after Contract with Alonso was signed and New Sponsors were onboard )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Cosworth didn’t exactly have reliable engines. </p></blockquote>
<p> Correction under 2006 regulation Cosworth had two different sets of Engines rev limited V10s for STR ( Formerly Minardi) and new Spec V8 for Williams. Cosworth was the most reliable engine on that years grid. Most of the issues that Williams had that year were in other areas. Everytime Webber looked to be in position of finishing 5-6th he would retire with transmission/clutch/brake issues which essentially were Williams related issues. </p>
<p>Further Cosworth was the only engine which could operate at highest rev limits without stress. I have some videos of Cosworth Engine tests compared with Competitors. </p>
<p>Of the other teams Mercedes was never able to successully resolve their engine mapping related issues through out the year and their cars always were off the pace. </p>
<p>Norbert Haug Hiring the Exodus from Cosworth got lots of knowledge base to Mercedes/McLaren and their Engine Department has delivered best power plant ever since.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you remember Norbert Haug Basking in Brawn Glory and making comments &#8220;Quality of Engines to our Partner Prove our Capability&#8221; statements, and pass the buck to Woking Camp for Shambles in early 2009 season. I wish, Woking had shown some nerve in 2005-06 when Haugs Shortcomings caused them championship. Instead Ron Dennis took easy path and passed the blame on his drivers KR/JPM (Of course only after Contract with Alonso was signed and New Sponsors were onboard )</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I don&#039;t believe all that. BMW sold the entire Rover assets sans Mini for $1. In the eyes of the BMW management, the F1 team is seen as a loss making venture, just as they saw the Rover subsidiary as a loss making venture.
Winding down a venture in Europe is more difficult than in America. A company is treated like a human being in Europe. So when a company folds up there are enquiries and blah blah that go on. Try asking Prost what he is still facing years after his racing team went under.

How much will it cost BMW to pay severence to its staff, some of whom may have a long term contract, is not known, but without doubt its unlikely to be cheap.

While I am not suggesting they sell the team for a dollar, they can also look at the economic climate and spread the payment over a number of years taking into consideration the fact that they will no longer have any liability of the employment of the team personnel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I don&#8217;t believe all that. BMW sold the entire Rover assets sans Mini for $1. In the eyes of the BMW management, the F1 team is seen as a loss making venture, just as they saw the Rover subsidiary as a loss making venture.<br />
Winding down a venture in Europe is more difficult than in America. A company is treated like a human being in Europe. So when a company folds up there are enquiries and blah blah that go on. Try asking Prost what he is still facing years after his racing team went under.</p>
<p>How much will it cost BMW to pay severence to its staff, some of whom may have a long term contract, is not known, but without doubt its unlikely to be cheap.</p>
<p>While I am not suggesting they sell the team for a dollar, they can also look at the economic climate and spread the payment over a number of years taking into consideration the fact that they will no longer have any liability of the employment of the team personnel.</p>
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		<title>By: DGR-F1</title>
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		<dc:creator>DGR-F1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the BMW board looked at all their brands and advertising budgets, and decided which one had to go to support the rest - at least the Touring Cars still relate to what they sell in the showroom. And of course, being level-headed businesspeople, they will want to sell their assets for as much as they can get.
What surprises me is that Peter Sauber is not allowed a claim even though the team still bears his name. Did he sell the rights to the name to BMW along with the team? I cannot remember. 
Also, didn&#039;t their original press release mention a possible entry into ALMS? Maybe that is where the real interest is now, and with the beginnings of hybrid LMP cars, BMW (and possibly others?) might see it as better value for money than boring old politically inbred lame duck and antisocial F1.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the BMW board looked at all their brands and advertising budgets, and decided which one had to go to support the rest &#8211; at least the Touring Cars still relate to what they sell in the showroom. And of course, being level-headed businesspeople, they will want to sell their assets for as much as they can get.<br />
What surprises me is that Peter Sauber is not allowed a claim even though the team still bears his name. Did he sell the rights to the name to BMW along with the team? I cannot remember.<br />
Also, didn&#8217;t their original press release mention a possible entry into ALMS? Maybe that is where the real interest is now, and with the beginnings of hybrid LMP cars, BMW (and possibly others?) might see it as better value for money than boring old politically inbred lame duck and antisocial F1&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Hakka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hakka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meh, it&#039;s business. BMW is taking a hit by ensuring that future attempts to buy-out a team in F1 will meet with stiff resistance and more binding contracts to ensure they don&#039;t behave like this again. As a publicly traded company they have a mandate to ensure they get the maximum from any assets they have. Selling it to Peter Sauber for $1 for touchy-feely reasons like &quot;for the good of the sport&quot; etc. don&#039;t make the cut in a boardroom meeting. 

Things work differently in Japan, as anyone with corporate experience there will tell you - they have much more leeway, and doing each other favors is a way of life in the corporate world there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh, it&#8217;s business. BMW is taking a hit by ensuring that future attempts to buy-out a team in F1 will meet with stiff resistance and more binding contracts to ensure they don&#8217;t behave like this again. As a publicly traded company they have a mandate to ensure they get the maximum from any assets they have. Selling it to Peter Sauber for $1 for touchy-feely reasons like &#8220;for the good of the sport&#8221; etc. don&#8217;t make the cut in a boardroom meeting. </p>
<p>Things work differently in Japan, as anyone with corporate experience there will tell you &#8211; they have much more leeway, and doing each other favors is a way of life in the corporate world there.</p>
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