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	<title>Comments on: Fernando Alonso should renounce his Singapore Grand Prix &#8216;win&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: bless musa</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-1/#comment-500226</link>
		<dc:creator>bless musa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alonso (and Schumie) is a great driver, if only he can win not at the expense of  his partner and some other dirty tricks. There might not be evidence to say Alonso was aware of the bizzare strategy but I think, if Nelson was called in to discuss the crash alone, then Alonso also had a private meeting with Briatore. That means Alonso, Briatore and Symmonds were on the same side and whatever they discussed remained secret up to today.

I think Alonso was involved in the strategy and the investigators just failed to gather evidence on his involvement. If he is renounce his win, that wont affect other drivers who benefited from this. In soccer, if a player screws and gets a red card, it affects that player and his team, but the opponents benefit from it, so why should other drivers be punished for Renault&#039;s problem?? The whole race can&#039;t be cancelled just because of one team, F1 is a multi-team sport, therefore punishment can only be given to erpetrators. Alonso is a good driver but really doesn&#039;t like it if his partner is better than him and has the lucky of having team bosses rally behind all the time. If one is Alonso&#039;s partner, that means they are in trouble but his luck failed him at McLaren when Hamilton was clearly the faster driver and Alonso was caught by suprise. Massa is another victim now, he already has given Alonso a win that he didn&#039;t deserve, how many more to come?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alonso (and Schumie) is a great driver, if only he can win not at the expense of  his partner and some other dirty tricks. There might not be evidence to say Alonso was aware of the bizzare strategy but I think, if Nelson was called in to discuss the crash alone, then Alonso also had a private meeting with Briatore. That means Alonso, Briatore and Symmonds were on the same side and whatever they discussed remained secret up to today.</p>
<p>I think Alonso was involved in the strategy and the investigators just failed to gather evidence on his involvement. If he is renounce his win, that wont affect other drivers who benefited from this. In soccer, if a player screws and gets a red card, it affects that player and his team, but the opponents benefit from it, so why should other drivers be punished for Renault&#8217;s problem?? The whole race can&#8217;t be cancelled just because of one team, F1 is a multi-team sport, therefore punishment can only be given to erpetrators. Alonso is a good driver but really doesn&#8217;t like it if his partner is better than him and has the lucky of having team bosses rally behind all the time. If one is Alonso&#8217;s partner, that means they are in trouble but his luck failed him at McLaren when Hamilton was clearly the faster driver and Alonso was caught by suprise. Massa is another victim now, he already has given Alonso a win that he didn&#8217;t deserve, how many more to come?</p>
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		<title>By: kenH</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you recall a quote from Alonso when he won his first champoinship. [I will be a better world champion than tha german Schumacher] well in under half the time in F1 he is already embroilded in 3 cheating scandals and still claims he knew nothing about them and is innocent, is treating all F1 fans as idiots and with contempt. So my words to the cheating spaniard are { hand in your super licenceand be a honorable man for a change....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you recall a quote from Alonso when he won his first champoinship. [I will be a better world champion than tha german Schumacher] well in under half the time in F1 he is already embroilded in 3 cheating scandals and still claims he knew nothing about them and is innocent, is treating all F1 fans as idiots and with contempt. So my words to the cheating spaniard are { hand in your super licenceand be a honorable man for a change&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: cadwern</title>
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		<dc:creator>cadwern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You feels sorry for a rubbish driver, and atempted blackmailer?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You feels sorry for a rubbish driver, and atempted blackmailer?????</p>
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		<title>By: cadwern</title>
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		<dc:creator>cadwern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely it is irrelevent if alonso knew or not, if the stewardd had finnd something illegal about a car the driver can get disqualified even though he didn&#039;t know about it. Also, just because Alonso said he was lucky doesn&#039;t prove anything, he isn&#039;t going to say that he won because his team cheated!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely it is irrelevent if alonso knew or not, if the stewardd had finnd something illegal about a car the driver can get disqualified even though he didn&#8217;t know about it. Also, just because Alonso said he was lucky doesn&#8217;t prove anything, he isn&#8217;t going to say that he won because his team cheated!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mucha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mucha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alonso, always a cheat. he&#039;s always in big scandals. Let his place be taken by a younger driver, fresh blood on the grid. He shld give up the trophy he got from cheating, making Nico 1st and Lewis 2nd. Alonso cheat cheat, cheat!! i wldnt be suprised if they had said he came up with the idea! what a shame!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alonso, always a cheat. he&#8217;s always in big scandals. Let his place be taken by a younger driver, fresh blood on the grid. He shld give up the trophy he got from cheating, making Nico 1st and Lewis 2nd. Alonso cheat cheat, cheat!! i wldnt be suprised if they had said he came up with the idea! what a shame!</p>
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		<title>By: Praveen Titus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praveen Titus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really true. I think those who aren&#039;t fans of Alonso use this as an opportunity to taint his reputation. If Alonso never knew about it (the lack of any evidence suggests that), he&#039;s just like the other drivers out there. I don&#039;t think Alonso needs to forfeit that win. If he does, so should the other podium and points finishers. 

Why should Alonso be held responsible for a strategy in which he wasn&#039;t involved at all, even if it was designed by his own team leaders for his apparent benefit? Okay, he benefitted the most, scoring a win, but it was also benefitted the other podium and points finishers. Let them all denounce the positions. Let the race itself be badged a farce. That&#039;s the right thing to do, rather than just allow some Alonso-haters to vent their rage. Alonso denouncing the win won&#039;t solve the matter. The whole race must be canceled (if it&#039;s possible to do that, which isn&#039;t the case). In other words there&#039;s nothing we can do. The FIA should have investigated this earlier. Let&#039;s hope it is promt in these things in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really true. I think those who aren&#8217;t fans of Alonso use this as an opportunity to taint his reputation. If Alonso never knew about it (the lack of any evidence suggests that), he&#8217;s just like the other drivers out there. I don&#8217;t think Alonso needs to forfeit that win. If he does, so should the other podium and points finishers. </p>
<p>Why should Alonso be held responsible for a strategy in which he wasn&#8217;t involved at all, even if it was designed by his own team leaders for his apparent benefit? Okay, he benefitted the most, scoring a win, but it was also benefitted the other podium and points finishers. Let them all denounce the positions. Let the race itself be badged a farce. That&#8217;s the right thing to do, rather than just allow some Alonso-haters to vent their rage. Alonso denouncing the win won&#8217;t solve the matter. The whole race must be canceled (if it&#8217;s possible to do that, which isn&#8217;t the case). In other words there&#8217;s nothing we can do. The FIA should have investigated this earlier. Let&#8217;s hope it is promt in these things in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrickl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrickl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad thing is, I&#039;m a Hamilton fan (also Raikkonen and Alonso fan) and I get accused of being a racist, a sleaze, an &quot;in bred&quot; moron and a creep, simply because I acknowledge the fact that Hamilton lied.

Still that is not enough for SYM&#039;s posts to be removed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing is, I&#8217;m a Hamilton fan (also Raikkonen and Alonso fan) and I get accused of being a racist, a sleaze, an &#8220;in bred&#8221; moron and a creep, simply because I acknowledge the fact that Hamilton lied.</p>
<p>Still that is not enough for SYM&#8217;s posts to be removed?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh ? what did you post 4 minutes before that one ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh ? what did you post 4 minutes before that one ?</p>
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		<title>By: richard s</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 05:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes ok it is impossible to predict with complete certainty, but you can have a fair idea of what is likely to happen.  And you can bet all innvolved considered the scenario very carefully.   (OK at a minimum Piquet but I hope all as it was a conspiracy and so needed planning) 

Piquet was travelling at about 80mph, coming off a slow series of bends and onto the start of the straight, when he used his throttle to rotate his car off the racing line into a wall.  The impact was taken by the (tethered) rear tire and suspension, and there he stopped. There was no tumbling trail of carnage rolling down the track into the paths of the other cars.  

Massa was hit by debris, dropped from a car travelling at more than 150mph.  That was a most horrific and emotionally charged incident, but it is off the scale as compared to what actually happened to Piquet and I think what most probably could have happened in Singapore.   
 
The case for the prosecution and the moral high-ground is that he (they) endangered the people around him and that is certainly true.  But I see there being a low probability of having any collateral damage.

The main point is that they manipulated the result of a race.  For me the safety aspect is a distant second.  

cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes ok it is impossible to predict with complete certainty, but you can have a fair idea of what is likely to happen.  And you can bet all innvolved considered the scenario very carefully.   (OK at a minimum Piquet but I hope all as it was a conspiracy and so needed planning) </p>
<p>Piquet was travelling at about 80mph, coming off a slow series of bends and onto the start of the straight, when he used his throttle to rotate his car off the racing line into a wall.  The impact was taken by the (tethered) rear tire and suspension, and there he stopped. There was no tumbling trail of carnage rolling down the track into the paths of the other cars.  </p>
<p>Massa was hit by debris, dropped from a car travelling at more than 150mph.  That was a most horrific and emotionally charged incident, but it is off the scale as compared to what actually happened to Piquet and I think what most probably could have happened in Singapore.   </p>
<p>The case for the prosecution and the moral high-ground is that he (they) endangered the people around him and that is certainly true.  But I see there being a low probability of having any collateral damage.</p>
<p>The main point is that they manipulated the result of a race.  For me the safety aspect is a distant second.  </p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Senor Paz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senor Paz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand Patrickl&#039;s frustration. This kid is an embarassment to the Lewis Hamilton fan base. Very amusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand Patrickl&#8217;s frustration. This kid is an embarassment to the Lewis Hamilton fan base. Very amusing.</p>
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