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> <channel><title>Comments on: Fernando Alonso should renounce his Singapore Grand Prix &#8216;win&#8217;</title> <atom:link href="http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/</link> <description>F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:28:12 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: kenH</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-2/#comment-295632</link> <dc:creator>kenH</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:50:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-295632</guid> <description>If you recall a quote from Alonso when he won his first champoinship. [I will be a better world champion than tha german Schumacher] well in under half the time in F1 he is already embroilded in 3 cheating scandals and still claims he knew nothing about them and is innocent, is treating all F1 fans as idiots and with contempt. So my words to the cheating spaniard are { hand in your super licenceand be a honorable man for a change....</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you recall a quote from Alonso when he won his first champoinship. [I will be a better world champion than tha german Schumacher] well in under half the time in F1 he is already embroilded in 3 cheating scandals and still claims he knew nothing about them and is innocent, is treating all F1 fans as idiots and with contempt. So my words to the cheating spaniard are { hand in your super licenceand be a honorable man for a change&#8230;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cadwern</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-2/#comment-290095</link> <dc:creator>cadwern</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:00:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-290095</guid> <description>You feels sorry for a rubbish driver, and atempted blackmailer?????</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You feels sorry for a rubbish driver, and atempted blackmailer?????</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cadwern</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-2/#comment-290090</link> <dc:creator>cadwern</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:52:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-290090</guid> <description>Surely it is irrelevent if alonso knew or not, if the stewardd had finnd something illegal about a car the driver can get disqualified even though he didn&#039;t know about it. Also, just because Alonso said he was lucky doesn&#039;t prove anything, he isn&#039;t going to say that he won because his team cheated!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely it is irrelevent if alonso knew or not, if the stewardd had finnd something illegal about a car the driver can get disqualified even though he didn&#8217;t know about it. Also, just because Alonso said he was lucky doesn&#8217;t prove anything, he isn&#8217;t going to say that he won because his team cheated!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mucha</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-2/#comment-288832</link> <dc:creator>Mucha</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:30:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288832</guid> <description>Alonso, always a cheat. he&#039;s always in big scandals. Let his place be taken by a younger driver, fresh blood on the grid. He shld give up the trophy he got from cheating, making Nico 1st and Lewis 2nd. Alonso cheat cheat, cheat!! i wldnt be suprised if they had said he came up with the idea! what a shame!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alonso, always a cheat. he&#8217;s always in big scandals. Let his place be taken by a younger driver, fresh blood on the grid. He shld give up the trophy he got from cheating, making Nico 1st and Lewis 2nd. Alonso cheat cheat, cheat!! i wldnt be suprised if they had said he came up with the idea! what a shame!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Praveen Titus</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-1/#comment-288601</link> <dc:creator>Praveen Titus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:17:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288601</guid> <description>Really true. I think those who aren&#039;t fans of Alonso use this as an opportunity to taint his reputation. If Alonso never knew about it (the lack of any evidence suggests that), he&#039;s just like the other drivers out there. I don&#039;t think Alonso needs to forfeit that win. If he does, so should the other podium and points finishers.Why should Alonso be held responsible for a strategy in which he wasn&#039;t involved at all, even if it was designed by his own team leaders for his apparent benefit? Okay, he benefitted the most, scoring a win, but it was also benefitted the other podium and points finishers. Let them all denounce the positions. Let the race itself be badged a farce. That&#039;s the right thing to do, rather than just allow some Alonso-haters to vent their rage. Alonso denouncing the win won&#039;t solve the matter. The whole race must be canceled (if it&#039;s possible to do that, which isn&#039;t the case). In other words there&#039;s nothing we can do. The FIA should have investigated this earlier. Let&#039;s hope it is promt in these things in the future.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really true. I think those who aren&#8217;t fans of Alonso use this as an opportunity to taint his reputation. If Alonso never knew about it (the lack of any evidence suggests that), he&#8217;s just like the other drivers out there. I don&#8217;t think Alonso needs to forfeit that win. If he does, so should the other podium and points finishers.</p><p>Why should Alonso be held responsible for a strategy in which he wasn&#8217;t involved at all, even if it was designed by his own team leaders for his apparent benefit? Okay, he benefitted the most, scoring a win, but it was also benefitted the other podium and points finishers. Let them all denounce the positions. Let the race itself be badged a farce. That&#8217;s the right thing to do, rather than just allow some Alonso-haters to vent their rage. Alonso denouncing the win won&#8217;t solve the matter. The whole race must be canceled (if it&#8217;s possible to do that, which isn&#8217;t the case). In other words there&#8217;s nothing we can do. The FIA should have investigated this earlier. Let&#8217;s hope it is promt in these things in the future.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Patrickl</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-1/#comment-288222</link> <dc:creator>Patrickl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:38:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288222</guid> <description>The sad thing is, I&#039;m a Hamilton fan (also Raikkonen and Alonso fan) and I get accused of being a racist, a sleaze, an &quot;in bred&quot; moron and a creep, simply because I acknowledge the fact that Hamilton lied.Still that is not enough for SYM&#039;s posts to be removed?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing is, I&#8217;m a Hamilton fan (also Raikkonen and Alonso fan) and I get accused of being a racist, a sleaze, an &#8220;in bred&#8221; moron and a creep, simply because I acknowledge the fact that Hamilton lied.</p><p>Still that is not enough for SYM&#8217;s posts to be removed?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Phil</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-1/#comment-288213</link> <dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:23:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288213</guid> <description>Eh ? what did you post 4 minutes before that one ?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh ? what did you post 4 minutes before that one ?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Phil</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-1/#comment-288212</link> <dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:19:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288212</guid> <description>Sadbiasedjealous4ever</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadbiasedjealous4ever</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: richard s</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-1/#comment-288172</link> <dc:creator>richard s</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 05:43:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288172</guid> <description>Yes ok it is impossible to predict with complete certainty, but you can have a fair idea of what is likely to happen.  And you can bet all innvolved considered the scenario very carefully.   (OK at a minimum Piquet but I hope all as it was a conspiracy and so needed planning)Piquet was travelling at about 80mph, coming off a slow series of bends and onto the start of the straight, when he used his throttle to rotate his car off the racing line into a wall.  The impact was taken by the (tethered) rear tire and suspension, and there he stopped. There was no tumbling trail of carnage rolling down the track into the paths of the other cars.Massa was hit by debris, dropped from a car travelling at more than 150mph.  That was a most horrific and emotionally charged incident, but it is off the scale as compared to what actually happened to Piquet and I think what most probably could have happened in Singapore.
The case for the prosecution and the moral high-ground is that he (they) endangered the people around him and that is certainly true.  But I see there being a low probability of having any collateral damage.The main point is that they manipulated the result of a race.  For me the safety aspect is a distant second.cheers</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes ok it is impossible to predict with complete certainty, but you can have a fair idea of what is likely to happen.  And you can bet all innvolved considered the scenario very carefully.   (OK at a minimum Piquet but I hope all as it was a conspiracy and so needed planning)</p><p>Piquet was travelling at about 80mph, coming off a slow series of bends and onto the start of the straight, when he used his throttle to rotate his car off the racing line into a wall.  The impact was taken by the (tethered) rear tire and suspension, and there he stopped. There was no tumbling trail of carnage rolling down the track into the paths of the other cars.</p><p>Massa was hit by debris, dropped from a car travelling at more than 150mph.  That was a most horrific and emotionally charged incident, but it is off the scale as compared to what actually happened to Piquet and I think what most probably could have happened in Singapore.</p><p>The case for the prosecution and the moral high-ground is that he (they) endangered the people around him and that is certainly true.  But I see there being a low probability of having any collateral damage.</p><p>The main point is that they manipulated the result of a race.  For me the safety aspect is a distant second.</p><p>cheers</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Senor Paz</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-1/#comment-288121</link> <dc:creator>Senor Paz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:30:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288121</guid> <description>I can understand Patrickl&#039;s frustration. This kid is an embarassment to the Lewis Hamilton fan base. Very amusing.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand Patrickl&#8217;s frustration. This kid is an embarassment to the Lewis Hamilton fan base. Very amusing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Senor Paz</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-1/#comment-288119</link> <dc:creator>Senor Paz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:24:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288119</guid> <description>S Hughes,Stop embarassing yourself with such stupidity.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S Hughes,</p><p>Stop embarassing yourself with such stupidity.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Senor Paz</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-1/#comment-288117</link> <dc:creator>Senor Paz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:22:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288117</guid> <description>How do we get such a heated debate on Hamilton when the article is about Alonso and the worst thing I&#039;ve ever seen in the history of motorsport? This is pathetic.By the way, no doubt both Hamilton and Alonso have acted regretfully this year at one stage or another. Hamilton was deceitful in the beginning of the year (a nice way to comment on his shameful lack of honesty), but at least he didn&#039;t put everyone else&#039;s lives in danger.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do we get such a heated debate on Hamilton when the article is about Alonso and the worst thing I&#8217;ve ever seen in the history of motorsport? This is pathetic.</p><p>By the way, no doubt both Hamilton and Alonso have acted regretfully this year at one stage or another. Hamilton was deceitful in the beginning of the year (a nice way to comment on his shameful lack of honesty), but at least he didn&#8217;t put everyone else&#8217;s lives in danger.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sato113</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-1/#comment-288086</link> <dc:creator>sato113</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:00:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288086</guid> <description>there was a forum topic here a while ago asking who we support. although there may be a few Brits here, doesn&#039;t mean we all support Lewis. I don&#039;t! (great driver, not aggressive enough! on and off track)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there was a forum topic here a while ago asking who we support. although there may be a few Brits here, doesn&#8217;t mean we all support Lewis. I don&#8217;t! (great driver, not aggressive enough! on and off track)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: UniRacer</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-1/#comment-288080</link> <dc:creator>UniRacer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:35:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288080</guid> <description>Brilliant!  And everyone else just went on posting their silliness, leaving this masterpiece to dwindle like a fogetten candle.... sigh.  Keep up the sublime work.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant!  And everyone else just went on posting their silliness, leaving this masterpiece to dwindle like a fogetten candle&#8230;. sigh.  Keep up the sublime work.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JD</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-2/#comment-288072</link> <dc:creator>JD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:11:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288072</guid> <description>The thought of Alonso giving back the trophy is ludicrous. Unless it can be proven that Alonso played a _direct role_ in the matter, he is also an “innocent” victim just like Piquet (who has been granted immunity even though he&#039;s the one who actually crashed the car).Either the entire race is tainted or it isn’t. All the results were affected by Piquet&#039;s accident. If you truly believe that Alonso should give up the trophy, the logical course would be to nullify the results altogether. Then Hamilton loses 6 points and hands to WC trophy to Felipe Massa.Ridiculous, right???</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thought of Alonso giving back the trophy is ludicrous. Unless it can be proven that Alonso played a _direct role_ in the matter, he is also an “innocent” victim just like Piquet (who has been granted immunity even though he&#8217;s the one who actually crashed the car).</p><p>Either the entire race is tainted or it isn’t. All the results were affected by Piquet&#8217;s accident. If you truly believe that Alonso should give up the trophy, the logical course would be to nullify the results altogether. Then Hamilton loses 6 points and hands to WC trophy to Felipe Massa.</p><p>Ridiculous, right???</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David BR</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-2/#comment-288054</link> <dc:creator>David BR</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:22:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288054</guid> <description>Alistair, I agree his role should be investigated. But it won&#039;t be. Alonso is one of F1&#039;s major assets and none of the parties involved - though busy tearing each other&#039;s heads off - seems to have any personal vendetta to resolve with Alonso (Piquet Sr. has been backtracking on his earlier assertion that Alonso &#039;must have known&#039;).But I&#039;d ask where in the world would a criminal investigation &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; investigate the involvement of the main beneficiary of the crime, particularly when he or she was also on the crime scene????I realize it&#039;s not a criminal investigation (yet) but the same logic should apply.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alistair, I agree his role should be investigated. But it won&#8217;t be. Alonso is one of F1&#8217;s major assets and none of the parties involved &#8211; though busy tearing each other&#8217;s heads off &#8211; seems to have any personal vendetta to resolve with Alonso (Piquet Sr. has been backtracking on his earlier assertion that Alonso &#8216;must have known&#8217;).</p><p>But I&#8217;d ask where in the world would a criminal investigation <strong>not</strong> investigate the involvement of the main beneficiary of the crime, particularly when he or she was also on the crime scene????</p><p>I realize it&#8217;s not a criminal investigation (yet) but the same logic should apply.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Maciek</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-2/#comment-288020</link> <dc:creator>Maciek</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:57:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288020</guid> <description>How is it different? Dude, get serious.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it different? Dude, get serious.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: s7</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-2/#comment-288006</link> <dc:creator>s7</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:29:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-288006</guid> <description>Alonso knew about it for sure.Rennault couldnt have gone through it without discussing it with Alonso.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alonso knew about it for sure.Rennault couldnt have gone through it without discussing it with Alonso.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: neracer</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-1/#comment-287974</link> <dc:creator>neracer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:25:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-287974</guid> <description>@Patrickl: don&#039;t be ridiculous!@SYM: if you hadn&#039;t written that, I certainly would! thank you.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrickl: don&#8217;t be ridiculous!</p><p>@SYM: if you hadn&#8217;t written that, I certainly would! thank you.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Keith Collantine</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/17/fernando-alonso-should-renounce-his-singapore-grand-prix-win/comment-page-1/#comment-287966</link> <dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:14:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=25405#comment-287966</guid> <description>I don&#039;t agree. Although I do think there&#039;s a tendency on the part of some people to assume that just because someone doesn&#039;t like or doesn&#039;t like Hamilton it must be because they&#039;re racist. Obviously that isn&#039;t necessarily the case.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree. Although I do think there&#8217;s a tendency on the part of some people to assume that just because someone doesn&#8217;t like or doesn&#8217;t like Hamilton it must be because they&#8217;re racist. Obviously that isn&#8217;t necessarily the case.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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