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	<title>Comments on: Renault escape ban for crash (Poll)</title>
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		<title>By: jack koh</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/21/renault-escape-ban-for-crash-poll/comment-page-9/#comment-290303</link>
		<dc:creator>jack koh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money is the root of all evil .. renault willing to pay for the cost of investigation and sponsor the safety programme set by the FIA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money is the root of all evil .. renault willing to pay for the cost of investigation and sponsor the safety programme set by the FIA.</p>
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		<title>By: Jav1900</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/21/renault-escape-ban-for-crash-poll/comment-page-9/#comment-290071</link>
		<dc:creator>Jav1900</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rubbish - in 2007 the judgement was designed to drive McLaren out $100m is not peanuts.

Ron Dennis publicly capitulated to Max and thats what saved McLaren nothing else.

Max would have been over the moon if they left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rubbish &#8211; in 2007 the judgement was designed to drive McLaren out $100m is not peanuts.</p>
<p>Ron Dennis publicly capitulated to Max and thats what saved McLaren nothing else.</p>
<p>Max would have been over the moon if they left.</p>
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		<title>By: Jav1900</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jav1900</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is complete tripe - How many people do you need to say that it was Renault who committed the crime. 

These individuals were appointed by Renault to serve Renault as stewards of the racing team and therefore they were Renault. 

Renault were happy enough collecting the points and money and publicity when they were winning 

In the real world if a CEO and and his deputy concocted an illegal activity which they got the company to perform then that company would be held responsible (it is likely that the the CEO and deputy would also face sanctions). It is only right that Renault face the pain because they created the machine which made the plan happen.

If the FIA/WMSC want to be taken seriously as unbiased and fair then they need to act more consistently i.e. treat their favourite teams (Renault, Ferrari) the same as their disliked teams (McLaren).

Despite cheating and endangering the life of other drivers, stewards, and fans they received a suspended sentence. They even retained the points they achieved by fixing the race - ?????? how can that be fair punishment.

Lets be clear the FIA/WMSC did everything they could to retain Renault in F1 while being seen to slap them on the wrist - the two yr suspended sentence is a joke i.e. As long as they don&#039;t cheat by crashing a car at Singapore in the next 2 years then they should be alright.
No financial penalty - McLaren lost all the points awarded to them 2007 (and therefore a share of the F1 pot) and were fined in millions. They were fined $100m because Mike Coughlan (a rogue employee-that rings a bell) had a Ferrari manual. 

Whilst fining was necessary in that case the excessive amount was designed to drive McLaren out and destabilise their hunt for the 2007 crown in favour of Ferrari.

So please understand that until F1 puts into place proper, fair, unbiased and consistent courts and judgments then these cases will continue to damage the sport. It is the sports chief&#039;s who damage the sport.

Blaming Piquet doesn&#039;t wash - fool he may be and using these events for his own purposes doesn&#039;t absolve the bigger players and the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is complete tripe &#8211; How many people do you need to say that it was Renault who committed the crime. </p>
<p>These individuals were appointed by Renault to serve Renault as stewards of the racing team and therefore they were Renault. </p>
<p>Renault were happy enough collecting the points and money and publicity when they were winning </p>
<p>In the real world if a CEO and and his deputy concocted an illegal activity which they got the company to perform then that company would be held responsible (it is likely that the the CEO and deputy would also face sanctions). It is only right that Renault face the pain because they created the machine which made the plan happen.</p>
<p>If the FIA/WMSC want to be taken seriously as unbiased and fair then they need to act more consistently i.e. treat their favourite teams (Renault, Ferrari) the same as their disliked teams (McLaren).</p>
<p>Despite cheating and endangering the life of other drivers, stewards, and fans they received a suspended sentence. They even retained the points they achieved by fixing the race &#8211; ?????? how can that be fair punishment.</p>
<p>Lets be clear the FIA/WMSC did everything they could to retain Renault in F1 while being seen to slap them on the wrist &#8211; the two yr suspended sentence is a joke i.e. As long as they don&#8217;t cheat by crashing a car at Singapore in the next 2 years then they should be alright.<br />
No financial penalty &#8211; McLaren lost all the points awarded to them 2007 (and therefore a share of the F1 pot) and were fined in millions. They were fined $100m because Mike Coughlan (a rogue employee-that rings a bell) had a Ferrari manual. </p>
<p>Whilst fining was necessary in that case the excessive amount was designed to drive McLaren out and destabilise their hunt for the 2007 crown in favour of Ferrari.</p>
<p>So please understand that until F1 puts into place proper, fair, unbiased and consistent courts and judgments then these cases will continue to damage the sport. It is the sports chief&#8217;s who damage the sport.</p>
<p>Blaming Piquet doesn&#8217;t wash &#8211; fool he may be and using these events for his own purposes doesn&#8217;t absolve the bigger players and the system.</p>
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		<title>By: bwells</title>
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		<dc:creator>bwells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree if they kept them employed knowing what they did... but if they had no knowledge... that&#039;s a tough one... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree if they kept them employed knowing what they did&#8230; but if they had no knowledge&#8230; that&#8217;s a tough one&#8230; <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Phil T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever. It still does`nt justify the huge inconsistency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever. It still does`nt justify the huge inconsistency.</p>
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		<title>By: chunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>chunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe FIA think the punishment is literally based upon the size of the people committing the crime.  If McLaren had been in danger of leaving F1 forever, their punishment would&#039;ve been tiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe FIA think the punishment is literally based upon the size of the people committing the crime.  If McLaren had been in danger of leaving F1 forever, their punishment would&#8217;ve been tiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigbadderboom</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/21/renault-escape-ban-for-crash-poll/comment-page-9/#comment-289604</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigbadderboom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 + 1 Gutless excuse of a driver. LOL I stand corrected</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 + 1 Gutless excuse of a driver. LOL I stand corrected</p>
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		<title>By: Carl27</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not mix things up, there are a lot of thing to be said about the 2007 season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not mix things up, there are a lot of thing to be said about the 2007 season.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl27</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/21/renault-escape-ban-for-crash-poll/comment-page-8/#comment-289559</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agreed completely</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed completely</p>
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		<title>By: Dave F.</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/21/renault-escape-ban-for-crash-poll/comment-page-9/#comment-289488</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...his arrogance is assuming no one would catch him .&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s worse than that.
His arrogance is assuming everybody would believe &lt;em&gt;him &lt;/em&gt;when it did come out.

How Briatore/Symonds could think it would stay hidden is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;his arrogance is assuming no one would catch him .</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s worse than that.<br />
His arrogance is assuming everybody would believe <em>him </em>when it did come out.</p>
<p>How Briatore/Symonds could think it would stay hidden is beyond me.</p>
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