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		<title>By: Nitpicker</title>
		<link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/27/championship-standings-after-singapore-2/comment-page-1/#comment-292713</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitpicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least Button&#039;s kept his head when his rivals have been making mistakes and losing points-scoring opportunities. Picking up consistent points is not that exciting but it&#039;s what makes a championship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least Button&#8217;s kept his head when his rivals have been making mistakes and losing points-scoring opportunities. Picking up consistent points is not that exciting but it&#8217;s what makes a championship.</p>
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		<title>By: Nitpicker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitpicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on there. The aero is to blame for the cars not being able to get close, especially around fast bends. However F1 is all about the fantastic aero and high cornering speeds, and we&#039;ve been putting up with it for so long, it&#039;s unlikely to change massively. The new regs for 2009 are supposed to be the biggest rules shake-up for a decade, yet the teams have clawed back 80-85% of last year&#039;s downforce. That reminds me, will the double-diffuser loophole be closed for next year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on there. The aero is to blame for the cars not being able to get close, especially around fast bends. However F1 is all about the fantastic aero and high cornering speeds, and we&#8217;ve been putting up with it for so long, it&#8217;s unlikely to change massively. The new regs for 2009 are supposed to be the biggest rules shake-up for a decade, yet the teams have clawed back 80-85% of last year&#8217;s downforce. That reminds me, will the double-diffuser loophole be closed for next year?</p>
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		<title>By: Nitpicker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitpicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d agree too. Except that I would say Toyota haven&#039;t been improving from the back of the field to the front... more like they&#039;ve been yo-yoing all over the shop :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d agree too. Except that I would say Toyota haven&#8217;t been improving from the back of the field to the front&#8230; more like they&#8217;ve been yo-yoing all over the shop <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nitpicker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitpicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t Button&#039;s fault for making hay while the sun shines, nor that Barrichello couldn&#039;t perform during Brawn&#039;s dominance in the early season.

Yes it&#039;s a shame that the championship isn&#039;t building up to a huge crescendo at the final race, but it&#039;s better than watching Schuey wrap things up early like he did in 2002 and 2004. Has everyone forgotten how boring that was?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t Button&#8217;s fault for making hay while the sun shines, nor that Barrichello couldn&#8217;t perform during Brawn&#8217;s dominance in the early season.</p>
<p>Yes it&#8217;s a shame that the championship isn&#8217;t building up to a huge crescendo at the final race, but it&#8217;s better than watching Schuey wrap things up early like he did in 2002 and 2004. Has everyone forgotten how boring that was?</p>
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		<title>By: Nitpicker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitpicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well it’s been a nice novelty to see a championship fought between 2 comparitively small teams and drivers (excluding Vettel)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Vettel isn&#039;t that tall, is he?

&lt;blockquote&gt;t’s hard to believe that Button would be a truly worthy champion as he scrapes points here and there, rides his luck and crawls towards the line&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think he&#039;s a great driver, but I concede he needs the car to suit him in order to show his speed. Hamilton or Alonso could set fastest laps in any old truck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well it’s been a nice novelty to see a championship fought between 2 comparitively small teams and drivers (excluding Vettel)</p></blockquote>
<p>Vettel isn&#8217;t that tall, is he?</p>
<blockquote><p>t’s hard to believe that Button would be a truly worthy champion as he scrapes points here and there, rides his luck and crawls towards the line</p></blockquote>
<p>I think he&#8217;s a great driver, but I concede he needs the car to suit him in order to show his speed. Hamilton or Alonso could set fastest laps in any old truck.</p>
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		<title>By: Nitpicker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitpicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does a season have to have a McLaren-Ferrari rivalry to be exciting? Personally I think seeing privateer teams like Brawn and Red Bull at the front has been fantastic, I think F1 needed a bit of a shake-up like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does a season have to have a McLaren-Ferrari rivalry to be exciting? Personally I think seeing privateer teams like Brawn and Red Bull at the front has been fantastic, I think F1 needed a bit of a shake-up like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Nitpicker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitpicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A championship is more than winning every race. Have you forgotten all the excitement and disbelief at the beginning of the season, when it appeared Button could do no wrong and the title would be wrapped up by Monza?

Think of it this way: if Button won because he won six of the &lt;strong&gt;last&lt;/strong&gt; seven races, instead of the first seven races, then it would have been much more exciting. It&#039;s just the way it turns out sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A championship is more than winning every race. Have you forgotten all the excitement and disbelief at the beginning of the season, when it appeared Button could do no wrong and the title would be wrapped up by Monza?</p>
<p>Think of it this way: if Button won because he won six of the <strong>last</strong> seven races, instead of the first seven races, then it would have been much more exciting. It&#8217;s just the way it turns out sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: beneboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>beneboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing wrong with using aerodynamic grip, it is just that the way it is currently used with wings, specifically the front wing, is what makes overtaking so difficult.

Unless the front wing is able to get a smooth flow of air over it then the performance is drastically reduced, the amount of grip generated by engine mounts and other similar &quot;cheats&quot; the teams would come up with would be minimal in comparison and therefore would suffer a lot less performance loss when not in optimal air flow so would not hamper overtaking attempts in the same way.

Venturi&#039;s and other under floor aero methods to produce ground effect are virtually unaffected when following another car and by keeping the central &quot;plank&quot; you can eliminate the risk associated with the car bottoming out along the whole width of the floor.

I know it&#039;s never going to happen, it&#039;s just a hopeless dream.

I also think it would be a lot more sensible as the teams have to develop new cars all of the time already whereas building a new track is a major project costing hundreds of millions of dollars and taking several years, you&#039;d still end up with the same problems we&#039;ve got now unless you make a sprinkler system compulsory for all new tracks :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with using aerodynamic grip, it is just that the way it is currently used with wings, specifically the front wing, is what makes overtaking so difficult.</p>
<p>Unless the front wing is able to get a smooth flow of air over it then the performance is drastically reduced, the amount of grip generated by engine mounts and other similar &#8220;cheats&#8221; the teams would come up with would be minimal in comparison and therefore would suffer a lot less performance loss when not in optimal air flow so would not hamper overtaking attempts in the same way.</p>
<p>Venturi&#8217;s and other under floor aero methods to produce ground effect are virtually unaffected when following another car and by keeping the central &#8220;plank&#8221; you can eliminate the risk associated with the car bottoming out along the whole width of the floor.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s never going to happen, it&#8217;s just a hopeless dream.</p>
<p>I also think it would be a lot more sensible as the teams have to develop new cars all of the time already whereas building a new track is a major project costing hundreds of millions of dollars and taking several years, you&#8217;d still end up with the same problems we&#8217;ve got now unless you make a sprinkler system compulsory for all new tracks <img src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: antonyob</title>
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		<dc:creator>antonyob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>beneboy

i agree in principle but in practice if you told them no wings the engineers would find the downforce somewhere else. Even if you said you can only use mechanical grip they would utilise something like engine mounts or suspension arms to grab some downforce. So if you change the tracks you circumvent any engineer cleverness.

There was a golden era of racing, not a pure age by any stretch but before Cooper, Chapman &amp; Senna changed mindsets of teams &amp; drivers we had v12 front engined beautiful bullets driven over the limits by gentleman racers. Thats certainly more appealing than watching a monosyllabic 21 yr old drive an inverted wing round a railtrack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beneboy</p>
<p>i agree in principle but in practice if you told them no wings the engineers would find the downforce somewhere else. Even if you said you can only use mechanical grip they would utilise something like engine mounts or suspension arms to grab some downforce. So if you change the tracks you circumvent any engineer cleverness.</p>
<p>There was a golden era of racing, not a pure age by any stretch but before Cooper, Chapman &amp; Senna changed mindsets of teams &amp; drivers we had v12 front engined beautiful bullets driven over the limits by gentleman racers. Thats certainly more appealing than watching a monosyllabic 21 yr old drive an inverted wing round a railtrack.</p>
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		<title>By: beneboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>beneboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to disagree with that though.
There are many changes that could be made to the cars that would make racing on almost any track exciting again.

Watch any video of a pre-wing era race and you&#039;ll be hard pressed to find a boring one, these days the opposite is true. Even great tracks like Spa and Silverstone need a bit of rain or a safety car period to liven them up sometimes and the fault lies entirely with the cars and their reliance on aerodynamic grip.

People can bang on about strategy all they want but the only reason anyone talks about that is because the racing is so uneventful these days, other than the first lap and the pit-stops you&#039;re lucky to see more than a handful of overtaking attempts in any race.

Jackie Stewart probably overtook more cars in a single season than Schumacher did in his entire F1 career.

I&#039;ve fallen asleep several times while watching F1 GP&#039;s at the Circuit de Catalunya but other series races I&#039;ve seen there have been brilliant.

Monaco used to be great, even in the dry, because the cars used to slide around the corners inches behind each other and even when there wasn&#039;t much overtaking it was still brilliant seeing the drivers racing the circuit, these days a dry Monaco can be a tedious affair as the drivers just end up in a procession with no-one able to even get close to the car in front unless they make a mistake. It all end up looking like a Scalextric race with everyone running in the same groove.

Current levels of aerodynamic grip makes the cars too easy to drive, too hard to catch and almost impossible to overtake. I&#039;d get rid of the front wings and vastly reduce the rear wings and then allow the teams far more freedom with the engines, suspension &amp; tyres.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to disagree with that though.<br />
There are many changes that could be made to the cars that would make racing on almost any track exciting again.</p>
<p>Watch any video of a pre-wing era race and you&#8217;ll be hard pressed to find a boring one, these days the opposite is true. Even great tracks like Spa and Silverstone need a bit of rain or a safety car period to liven them up sometimes and the fault lies entirely with the cars and their reliance on aerodynamic grip.</p>
<p>People can bang on about strategy all they want but the only reason anyone talks about that is because the racing is so uneventful these days, other than the first lap and the pit-stops you&#8217;re lucky to see more than a handful of overtaking attempts in any race.</p>
<p>Jackie Stewart probably overtook more cars in a single season than Schumacher did in his entire F1 career.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve fallen asleep several times while watching F1 GP&#8217;s at the Circuit de Catalunya but other series races I&#8217;ve seen there have been brilliant.</p>
<p>Monaco used to be great, even in the dry, because the cars used to slide around the corners inches behind each other and even when there wasn&#8217;t much overtaking it was still brilliant seeing the drivers racing the circuit, these days a dry Monaco can be a tedious affair as the drivers just end up in a procession with no-one able to even get close to the car in front unless they make a mistake. It all end up looking like a Scalextric race with everyone running in the same groove.</p>
<p>Current levels of aerodynamic grip makes the cars too easy to drive, too hard to catch and almost impossible to overtake. I&#8217;d get rid of the front wings and vastly reduce the rear wings and then allow the teams far more freedom with the engines, suspension &amp; tyres.</p>
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