Button, Barrichello, Alonso, Sutil and Buemi get five-place grid penalties

Both Brawns and three others have bene moved down the grid

Both Brawns and three others have bene moved down the grid

Five drivers have been been moved down the grid for the Japanese Grand Prix.

They are Jenson Button, Rubens Barrichello, Adrian Sutil, Sebastien Buemi and Fernando Alonso.

However because of the large number of drivers that got penalties, some of them will not lose a full five places. See the Japanese Grand Prix grid.

All of the drivers except Buemi were penalised for failing to slow down sufficiently after Buemi left debris at the exit of Spoon curve during Q2.

Buemi, meanwhile, was punished for driving his broken car back to the pits instead of stopping on the track.

Japanese Grand Prix

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150 comments on Button, Barrichello, Alonso, Sutil and Buemi get five-place grid penalties

  1. antizyklon said on 3rd October 2009, 12:46

    According to some spanish press, Alonso was penalised for going too slow ***?

  2. I’m Alonso fan, I like his character, never give up: today he was slow but he cleverly gave an impression that he slowed down and was demanding penalties to others..Next year with Felipe they will perfect pair, two crying babies at same team

  3. Gagan said on 3rd October 2009, 13:11

    Hey, Alonso was right in whatever he did. He slowed down and dint even complete his flying lap. Button, Barichelo, Sutil , they all did.
    This explains tht Alonso knows about every damn small rule in F1. He didnt notice the yellow flag immed. otherwise he would have slowed doen instantly. He is gonna kick everybody’s butt around next year., Wait and watch

    • every driver in my opinion knows every rule, it’s mr alonso’s attitude at the end of quali that ticked me off, or should i say most people.look, he’a a great champion, very talented and all but his attitude is somewhat spotty. why didn’t he just let the stewards do their job, you NEVER tell somebody how to do his job

      • Bigbadderboom said on 3rd October 2009, 20:55

        Professional racing drivers with absolute perfect support, these guys all know the rules backwards, it’s just convinient to leave us guessing.

    • Patrickl said on 3rd October 2009, 20:53

      Alsono should know to pay attention to yellow flags:

      See his 2003 Interlagos crash:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NULV1Xu9gRg

      • TommyB said on 3rd October 2009, 21:04

        I really don’t get this. So they all get five place penalties… but not really.

        Give them all 5 places then bump everyone else who didn’t commit the crime. I can’t believe the Brawns have only dropped a couple of places… They also got into Q3 because of the yellow flag incident.. Stupid stewards ruining the racing again

  4. S Hughes said on 3rd October 2009, 13:24

    What’s funny is that Teflonso was the one whining to the stewards about the others not lifting off under yellow flags and yet he was one of the culprits. Good luck for next year, Massa and Maranello.

  5. Dennis said on 3rd October 2009, 13:41

    Why do I even watch qualification anymore? The system cleary doesn’t work. It’s very counterintuitive that the person sometimes not driving the fastest lap is still on pole and if one session lasts for 20 minutes, 15 of them are unnecessary. Vettel was obviously the quickest out there today though. Btw for the people doubting his speed: Vettel is the only one who made it to Q3 in every Qualifying session, chew on that. Anyway, even if the qualifying system works, the FIA always has rules so the starting grid will change about 4 hours after watching. It’s annoying! I’m not saying the’re wrong here because it was kind of dangerous but it’s not clear who did what. This greatly benefits Raikkonen and Heidfeld. Also it’s great for Vettel, if he wins and Button scores 0 it’s only 15 points with 2 races to go!

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 3rd October 2009, 17:31

      It’s very counterintuitive that the person sometimes not driving the fastest lap is still on pole.

      Won’t be a problem next year when they get rid of refuelling.

      Vettel was obviously the quickest out there today though. Btw for the people doubting his speed: Vettel is the only one who made it to Q3 in every Qualifying session, chew on that.

      No-one had said anything about Vettel’s speed, who are you taking to?

  6. Never seen so many grid penalties for one race.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 3rd October 2009, 17:32

      Must be pushing some kind of record. There were over 20 in one F3 race this year though, all for going to fast through a yellow flag zone.

      • Bigbadderboom said on 3rd October 2009, 20:59

        We critisize stewards for delayed or innacurate decisions, but they must be commended today as they absolutley made the right call. But the cynics will say it’s only because it benefits the season.

  7. ianhaycox said on 3rd October 2009, 14:02

    I think the penalties are deserved, just like Jacques Villeneuve in ’97.

    What intrigues me is why those penalised did not slow down. If they had slowed or even stayed in the garage they would have better off than now. I can only imagine they thought they would not be penalised or the stewards would be too weak to penalised everyone. Seems bizarre for world class drivers to driver full speed through an accident zone.

    Certainly be setting the alarm tomorrow.

  8. wasiF1 said on 3rd October 2009, 14:13

    If they finish as the grid position (I know that is not ever possible) the championship will go to the last round.

  9. sato113 said on 3rd October 2009, 14:21

    hasn’t KOV got a grid penalty for changing his gearbox? autosport says so. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79191

  10. Choltz said on 3rd October 2009, 14:32

    Good, deserved, and also the championship must go down to the last corner of the last race, or it’s just not that exciting!! :)

  11. steph90 said on 3rd October 2009, 14:38

    I think penalties was right, unless Alonso did back off as I have heard.
    Slightly off topic but for anyone interested, Mclaren fans and MP4 I know you will be
    The hottest rumour at the Suzuka circuit on Saturday is that McLaren is contemplating splitting completely with Mercedes at the end of the season.

    • Yes, F Alonso slowed but not until he passed the hazard. http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/jpn09_document_28.pdf

      He took the worst decision. He has had the same penalty and has not been able to enter into Q3.

      Next time, he will have to still running fast if he fails in slowing down it in the appropriate moment. He will have the same penalty.

      Brawns and Sutil were much more clever.

    • Bartholomew said on 3rd October 2009, 16:13

      Wow Steph, please more news about this whenever you can —-

      • steph90 said on 3rd October 2009, 16:26

        Bartholomew about Mclaren and Mercedes?
        Here is full article…

        The hottest rumour at the Suzuka circuit on Saturday is that McLaren is contemplating splitting completely with Mercedes at the end of the season.
        Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport reports that the Woking based team’s plan, masterminded by chairman and former team boss Ron Dennis, is to buy BMW’s formula one engine division from the withdrawing German carmaker in order to go it alone as an independent chassis and engine constructor.
        The move would clear the path for Mercedes to completely concentrate on its intensifying partnership with Brawn, with Dennis thought not keen on the prospect of taking a back seat to Mercedes’ new favourite.
        McLaren has an engine supply contract with equity partner Mercedes for two more seasons, but Dennis is believed to be confident that – as with his new MP4-12C road car project – the outfit can manage without the Stuttgart based manufacturer.
        Auto Motor und Sport said BMW would be interested in selling its F1 engine programme for the right price, and that Dennis may already have made enquiries with the marque’s Munich headquarters.
        It is also rumoured that McLaren’s existing Bahraini investors might bolster their involvement in order to support the new independent engine programme.
        Said team boss Martin Whitmarsh: “We have no plans to buy BMW’s engines.”

        If it does happen I don’t think it will be next season. It’s a bit late for plans like that and even if there is a rift with Mercedes, they have the best engine on offer at the minute.
        The question is though will it happen? Many believed, including me, that Mercedes simply wanted to expand into F1 rather than dilute relations with Mclaren but since then they are having seperate road cars and these rumours about engines are increasing.

        • mp4-19b said on 3rd October 2009, 17:24

          WOW! Thanx for that Steph, I’m not going to ask you where you got that info & your sources. Ron at work!! You just cannot keep Ron off F1. He is a master tactician. He’s turning mclaren into a british ferrrari. Good news for all hardcore mclaren fans :)

          • steph90 said on 3rd October 2009, 17:44

            Just good old searching web, hopefully if I get to be a journalist I can become a true F1 spy :P
            Odd as well as talk on live blog of Dennis returning…
            So Brawn the ‘new Mclaren’ and Mclaren back to indepence but new era for engines for them…this is quite confusing.
            So next year will Brawn be silver and if Mclaren sever all ties with Mercedes (I think at this time for next season unlikely) what will there car be like?

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 3rd October 2009, 17:37

          I’m sorry but the way that story is written is a joke. Leaving Whitmarsh’s plain, on-the-record denial until the last line is classic “never let the facts get in the way of a good story” journalism.

          • Said team boss Martin Whitmarsh: “We have no plans to buy BMW’s engines.”

            If McLaren buys the BMW Engine Division they won’t be BMW’s engines!

          • steph90 said on 3rd October 2009, 19:30

            True I thought so but I still wonder about Mclaren and Mercedes future in the long run

    • Martin said on 4th October 2009, 0:39

      I have also read this. They are contemplating buying BMW’s engine programm and continuing it as a Mclaren engine and making them a true mfg.
      It isnt like the new grenn machines from BMW are going to win any kind of competition anymore. You cannot be green and race now can you. I love their new commercials where they espouse the virtues of their new philosophy. Might as well put a frilly set of undergarments on it or a pocket protector. Even Kubica is having second thoughts about going to race for another mfg. Bmw has burned him 2 times now.

    • ryan said on 4th October 2009, 3:28

      oh my god steph you cannot be serious?!?! that would be disaster for mclaren, i would have never imagined an mp4 with a renault engine on the back. please tell me you’re kidding

  12. steph90 said on 3rd October 2009, 14:44

    Sorry that was meant to be in quotes.
    Also Button says he didn’t lift off in case there was a car behind. Has he ever heard of the invention of the mirror? :P
    Though he does say he respects their decision which is good.

    • Button is starting to worry me. He is getting a bit shaky any way you look at it.

      • StrFerrari4Ever said on 3rd October 2009, 15:02

        Yup I agree you saw the look on his face when the drivers went in Scrutineering he was very serious and that penalty will only give him more pressure and we shall see whethe he can cope with it.

  13. jacaru said on 3rd October 2009, 15:21

    Pffftt If anti Alonso people are going to continue like this from now on, this site is going to become a nightmare…Didn’t Hamilton qualify good?

    • I do not think that anti-Alonso comments are with regards his ability or the team that he represents, but with regards to his obvious arrogance. How he can also claim no knowledge/involvement in last year’s Renault incident also beggars belief!

      • How he can also claim no knowledge/involvement in last year’s Renault incident also beggars belief!

        The FIA agreed with him on that score. What beggars belief is that despite the case having been settled for weeks now, people are STILL GOING ON ABOUT IT.

        • steph90 said on 3rd October 2009, 15:50

          Put perfectly Red Andy

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 3rd October 2009, 17:40

          I agree Andy, but this is why I said he should have criticised what happened at Singapore. No, it wouldn’t have stopped every single person from believing he was involved, but a show of integrity would have made many more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

        • Martin said on 4th October 2009, 0:44

          The FIA agreeing with him is by no means a vendication of alonso. They couldnt get to the bottom of a paper bag.
          Many conspirators in certain events are shielded from the event even when they are fully aware of it.

        • Choltz said on 4th October 2009, 2:54

          I love how when the FIA makes a decision that people like they say how it’s final since the FIA said so, but when they don’t like what the FIA does, it’s because Max is an evil dictator… yeah…

      • jacaru said on 3rd October 2009, 16:10

        This is the worst of it all. We should stop loosing our energy discussing how good or bad person he is when we are basing our comments on biased press tidbits or unfortunate comments of himself or rumors. How come people have the insight to evaluate Alonso without even knowing who he is personally.

        We all know how bad PR he does for himself when he talks what he thinks, but thats about it. Let’s move on.

  14. Shadowplay said on 3rd October 2009, 15:31

    I wonder if Buemi will reveal all after he’s fired next year….

  15. Grandprixlover said on 3rd October 2009, 15:38

    ALonso’s A VERY talented driver, and tat’s wat matters cuz his carrer is nothin to do with watever you guys are saying. He deserves the respect.

  16. I recall Teflonso plowing into a parked car in a massive debris field, in the rain, a few years ago on the back straight at Interlagos. He was lucky to walk away from that. One would imagine that he would have learned from that. I’m not certain but I don’t think he was penalized for that. But at the end of the day, any driver is going to keep his foot in it and risk the slight penalty, rather than slow down and hand a spot to another guy. This is why 5 spaces is not enough. If drivers have a rational basis to break a rule in a way that could end in a truly catastrophic accident, the penalty risk side of the equation needs to be bigger.

    In any event, the steward should have red-flagged the session immediately. There were heaps of debris on the racing line at a stretch where the cars are pushing 200mph. Its hard to see why they stopped the session for a car in gravel but not for a full car wing lying in the in a high speed section of track.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 3rd October 2009, 17:42

      I recall Teflonso plowing into a parked car in a massive debris field, in the rain, a few years ago on the back straight at Interlagos. He was lucky to walk away from that.

      Good point.

      In any event, the steward should have red-flagged the session immediately. There were heaps of debris on the racing line at a stretch where the cars are pushing 200mph.

      Another good point.

  17. 159Tom said on 3rd October 2009, 16:53

    Hakkinen used to acknowledge a yellow flag by waving, while keeping his foot to the floor…

    Would the Spoon Curve Five have escaped penalties by doing that – or can stewards go and check the data for some Piquet-like throttle inputs?

  18. MacademiaNut said on 3rd October 2009, 17:00

    This is a dumb decision by FIA to give a five place grid penalty. Here’s what I would ha ve preferred.

    Cancel BUT, BAR, ALO’s laptime (that particular lap that they sped). Figure out their positions in the grid. Give everyone a five-place grid penalty from there.

    This is total rubbish that BUT and BAR advanced to Q3 and managed to stay ahead of ALO.

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