Comments on: Rights and wrongs of the testing ban http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/12/rights-and-wrongs-of-the-testing-ban/ F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:24:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: chunter http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/12/rights-and-wrongs-of-the-testing-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-296537 chunter Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:20:39 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26186#comment-296537 I'm in favor of introducing perhaps two to three official test days per year- the test ban has had more ups than downs so far, but if the identical chassis of Indycar can test occasionally (mostly for practice reasons), why can't F1? Testing also introduces the possibility of showing F1 cars at work in alternate venues that may never have a race (again), such as Pau, Dijon, Estoril, Jerez, or if anyone should dare, Braselton or Laguna Seca. I’m in favor of introducing perhaps two to three official test days per year- the test ban has had more ups than downs so far, but if the identical chassis of Indycar can test occasionally (mostly for practice reasons), why can’t F1?

Testing also introduces the possibility of showing F1 cars at work in alternate venues that may never have a race (again), such as Pau, Dijon, Estoril, Jerez, or if anyone should dare, Braselton or Laguna Seca.

]]> By: HG http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/12/rights-and-wrongs-of-the-testing-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-296194 HG Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:49:44 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26186#comment-296194 and developing kers, which went well. and developing kers, which went well.

]]> By: Matt http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/12/rights-and-wrongs-of-the-testing-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-296174 Matt Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:46:25 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26186#comment-296174 PJA is spot on - they would just use it as an extra practice session. As someone said earlier, you have lots of data from the race you have just completed, now you can see how your new parts compare to that data. How much testing did Ferrari do at Fiorano and how many F1 races were held there? Obviously street circuits would be out as far as Monday testing is concerned, and circuits when there is a race the next weekend. So using this year's calendar as a base, possible Monday tests could be at: Sepang, Bahrain, Barcelona, Istanbul, Silverstone, Nurburgring, (no Hungary cause its the start of the summer break), Spa, Monza, Suzuka, Sao Paulo. 10 choices, each team gets to vote for 4 they want to test at, the 4 with the highest votes get a Monday test. PJA is spot on – they would just use it as an extra practice session.

As someone said earlier, you have lots of data from the race you have just completed, now you can see how your new parts compare to that data. How much testing did Ferrari do at Fiorano and how many F1 races were held there?

Obviously street circuits would be out as far as Monday testing is concerned, and circuits when there is a race the next weekend. So using this year’s calendar as a base, possible Monday tests could be at: Sepang, Bahrain, Barcelona, Istanbul, Silverstone, Nurburgring, (no Hungary cause its the start of the summer break), Spa, Monza, Suzuka, Sao Paulo. 10 choices, each team gets to vote for 4 they want to test at, the 4 with the highest votes get a Monday test.

]]> By: PJA http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/12/rights-and-wrongs-of-the-testing-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-296044 PJA Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:33:11 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26186#comment-296044 If the days testing was on the Thursday before the race the teams would just treat it like an extra free practice session and everything done would be with the race in mind, whereas if it was on the Monday after the race it would be more like a test session as teams would be more likely to use it for general testing work. I remember someone saying during the BBC F1 coverage recently that if Fisichella had just one day of testing it would probably help him a lot more in understanding the Ferrari than just the equivalent amount of time in free practice before a race. The Monday test would only be held a few times a year so it probably wouldn’t be held at circuits the teams thought wouldn’t be suited to general testing work. Also before the testing ban teams usually only tested at a few circuits and some of those aren’t even on the F1 calendar, just because a team may test at Barcelona doesn’t mean the information they gather is only relevant to that circuit. If the days testing was on the Thursday before the race the teams would just treat it like an extra free practice session and everything done would be with the race in mind, whereas if it was on the Monday after the race it would be more like a test session as teams would be more likely to use it for general testing work.

I remember someone saying during the BBC F1 coverage recently that if Fisichella had just one day of testing it would probably help him a lot more in understanding the Ferrari than just the equivalent amount of time in free practice before a race.

The Monday test would only be held a few times a year so it probably wouldn’t be held at circuits the teams thought wouldn’t be suited to general testing work.

Also before the testing ban teams usually only tested at a few circuits and some of those aren’t even on the F1 calendar, just because a team may test at Barcelona doesn’t mean the information they gather is only relevant to that circuit.

]]> By: PJA http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/12/rights-and-wrongs-of-the-testing-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-296035 PJA Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:19:50 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26186#comment-296035 Well next year they won’t be carrying around refuelling rigs, and as for marketing-only equipment, while you could argue that the teams could manage with the most basic of motor homes, all the Communication Centres and Energy Stations or whatever else the teams like to call them aren’t just there to make life more comfortable during a race weekend, they help to attract sponsors and to keep them happy with corporate hospitality, and remember that the sponsors help pay the bills. Well next year they won’t be carrying around refuelling rigs, and as for marketing-only equipment, while you could argue that the teams could manage with the most basic of motor homes, all the Communication Centres and Energy Stations or whatever else the teams like to call them aren’t just there to make life more comfortable during a race weekend, they help to attract sponsors and to keep them happy with corporate hospitality, and remember that the sponsors help pay the bills.

]]> By: Anton85 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/12/rights-and-wrongs-of-the-testing-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-295982 Anton85 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:45:05 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26186#comment-295982 The main point here is to keep costs down, Bernie's idea to test on the Monday keeps all the cars and equipment at the track, no costs involved to get it there. BUT as said earlier - whats the point AFTER a race? "<em> No point developing your Monza wings after the race. </em>" Thursday practice for a full day would keep the costs low, the cars are still there, more track data makes the setups better for the race (Suzuka last race would have benefited from this due to the washed out sessions). Teams can run whoever they want in the car - it keeps costs low, and the testing is then more relevant to the teams. I think thats more benificial than after the race when the so many setups cant be used again at other tracks The main point here is to keep costs down, Bernie’s idea to test on the Monday keeps all the cars and equipment at the track, no costs involved to get it there.

BUT

as said earlier – whats the point AFTER a race? “ No point developing your Monza wings after the race.
” Thursday practice for a full day would keep the costs low, the cars are still there, more track data makes the setups better for the race (Suzuka last race would have benefited from this due to the washed out sessions).
Teams can run whoever they want in the car – it keeps costs low, and the testing is then more relevant to the teams. I think thats more benificial than after the race when the so many setups cant be used again at other tracks

]]> By: JUGNU http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/12/rights-and-wrongs-of-the-testing-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-295831 JUGNU Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:24:55 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26186#comment-295831 Testing on Mondays after race weekend is perfect IMO. All the machinery and People are already there therefore no cost of Transportation at least. We have seen what happend to Webber at Japan, later in the race he looked like testing some new parts/setups and doing evaluations. He also set the fastest lap, so the team definitely gained some important data. If they had one more day after the race, there understanding and data would only get better. Testing on Mondays after race weekend is perfect IMO. All the machinery and People are already there therefore no cost of Transportation at least.
We have seen what happend to Webber at Japan, later in the race he looked like testing some new parts/setups and doing evaluations. He also set the fastest lap, so the team definitely gained some important data. If they had one more day after the race, there understanding and data would only get better.

]]> By: CTS http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/12/rights-and-wrongs-of-the-testing-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-295812 CTS Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:46:18 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26186#comment-295812 What Hakka meant was that your examples all focus on money lost from losing position/performance, which is prize/position money from FOM. This amount is fixed, so if I 'lose money' from losing my position, some other team gets it so no money is lost when performance is affected due to the test ban. He;'s not against qyestioning test ban benefits - just your examples. :) What Hakka meant was that your examples all focus on money lost from losing position/performance, which is prize/position money from FOM. This amount is fixed, so if I ‘lose money’ from losing my position, some other team gets it so no money is lost when performance is affected due to the test ban.

He;’s not against qyestioning test ban benefits – just your examples. :)

]]> By: Brian http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/12/rights-and-wrongs-of-the-testing-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-295806 Brian Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:04:46 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26186#comment-295806 F2 is supposed to be a "feeder" series for F1 from what I understand. So I have an idea. Make a few changes to F2. F2 would be made up of future F1 drivers that already have a contract with F1 teams as reserve drivers. In the new F2, each team would be made up of only one driver per team, and that driver uses the third car from the F1 team. If they are good enough to be in F2, then they should be good enough to drive an F1 car. They could simply do a 20 lap race after saturday practice and before quali. The NHL has the AHL for putting players they drafted. Major League Baseball has their own minor league system. So why can't F1 have a league where they send the drivers they draft? Heck introduce a draft to F1. Every year after the season has ended, the teams gather and in order of points, they have a one round draft where they pick future stars, and if they have no room to let the drive, then they let them race in F2. This way, the rookies will get to drive an F1 car and be ready if they ever get the call. F2 is supposed to be a “feeder” series for F1 from what I understand. So I have an idea.
Make a few changes to F2. F2 would be made up of future F1 drivers that already have a contract with F1 teams as reserve drivers. In the new F2, each team would be made up of only one driver per team, and that driver uses the third car from the F1 team. If they are good enough to be in F2, then they should be good enough to drive an F1 car.
They could simply do a 20 lap race after saturday practice and before quali.
The NHL has the AHL for putting players they drafted. Major League Baseball has their own minor league system. So why can’t F1 have a league where they send the drivers they draft?
Heck introduce a draft to F1. Every year after the season has ended, the teams gather and in order of points, they have a one round draft where they pick future stars, and if they have no room to let the drive, then they let them race in F2.
This way, the rookies will get to drive an F1 car and be ready if they ever get the call.

]]> By: Omegaz3ro http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/12/rights-and-wrongs-of-the-testing-ban/comment-page-2/#comment-295797 Omegaz3ro Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:26:35 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26186#comment-295797 <strong>The testing ban is not all bad though. Clearly it exists for a reason, and that major reason is cost. This remains the biggest political issue in F1 today. Placing a ban on testing is a useful way to help reach the goal of making F1 more financially sustainable.</strong> I don't see the point in cutting costs banning testing sessions while teams spend a sh**load of money carrying around refueling rigs and huge marketing-only equipment, not even remotely connected with racing. The testing ban is not all bad though. Clearly it exists for a reason, and that major reason is cost. This remains the biggest political issue in F1 today. Placing a ban on testing is a useful way to help reach the goal of making F1 more financially sustainable.

I don’t see the point in cutting costs banning testing sessions while teams spend a sh**load of money carrying around refueling rigs and huge marketing-only equipment, not even remotely connected with racing.

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