Kobayashi and Sutil spark complaints over driving standards after crashes

Posted on | Author Keith Collantine

Kobayashi's weaving caused Nakajima to have a huge crash
Kobayashi's weaving caused Nakajima to have a huge crash

Adrian Sutil and Kamui Kobayashi faced the wrath of their rivals after the Brazilian Grand Prix after two crashes which eliminated a total of four cars.

Jenson Button was among the drivers to voice his complaints about rookie Kobayashi’s driving. And Jarno Trulli was handed a fine after arguing with Sutil at the side of the track following their collision.

Kamui Kobayashi and Kazuki Nakajima

Button complained to his team that Kobayashi was “moving around in the braking zones” while he was trying to pass the Toyota driver during Sunday’s race.

Button eventually found a way past unscathed, but Kazuki Nakajima was not so lucky when he took on his compatriot. He clipped the back of the Toyota, lost his front wing and left the track at high speed, his Williams coming dangerously close to taking off:

The stewards decided not to punish Kobayashi. In fact, there’s no sign they even bothered to investigate the collision with Nakajima. This is surprising and quite worrying as Kobayashi’s driving seemed to be some way below the accepted norm.

Having already made the prescribed one move off his racing line to defend his position, Kobayashi then moved back towards the racing line, as is also usually allowed.

But his third move, swinging back to the left, which caused the contact with Nakajima, is not normally permitted. If the stewards are going to allow driver to weave in this fashion we are going to see more collisions like this and possible some very serious accidents. It was a similar accident to this that caused the last fatality in F1 – the death of marshal Graham Beveridge at Melbourne in 2001 following a collision between Ralf Schumacher and Jacques Villeneuve.

Adrian Sutil and Jarno Trulli

Some were quick to blame Trulli for his collision with Sutil but the Italian obviously felt very strongly that the Force India driver was to blame. Afterwards he said:

I am not angry because of the result, I am angry because of the manoeuvre which was extremely, extremely dangerous. We know it is an easy flat out corner, and he should have given me enough space not to go on the kerbs. We were in sixth gear and we were lucky that no one got injured – but this was something really bad.

I thought if I could pull away, Sutil would stay there and I was coming with much more speed. He went on the inside so I went on the outside, and we went side-to-side to him. There is an onboard camera showing my front wheel next to his wheel, so if you looking at the back then I am not there.

He might say that he drove on the racing line. Yes, but I am still on the racing line in this case. So if you decide to stay on the inside, then stay on the inside. Don’t pull on the outside because I am there ?ǣ and you can see him there. The problem was that he put me over the kerbs ?ǣ and once I was on the kerbs I lost car control completely.

And the fact that I hit him on the back is that once I was on the kerbs that car got unstable. I lifted off and then I hit him on the back ?ǣ even though at the time I was next to him.

You cannot do that. It is like a straight ?ǣ you are flat, and he basically sent me onto the kerbs and grass when I was on the straight. I cannot accept any apology, I am sorry. It is clear to anyone in the paddock that you cannot do that.
Jarno Trulli

The stewards didn’t agree. They said:

The Stewards met with the two drivers and their team representatives, considered the video evidence and the telemetry data and concluded that this was a racing incident and no further action is required.

Sutil, inevitably, defended himself:

His manoeuvre was dangerous, I was flying over the gravel there and lost control. I didn’t see anything and just drove my corner and he crashed into my car so I don’t know what his problem is.
Adrian Sutil

From the replay it’s clear that if Sutil didn’t know Trulli was alongside him he wasn’t paying attention (remembering 2004 we may call this the ‘Schumacher defence’). The Force India clearly lost ground to the Ferrari ahead – presumably because Sutil has lifted the throttle – and the replay from outside the car shows Trulli fully alongside him.

At that point Sutil pushed Trulli off the track. The crazy thing is, drivers are allowed to do this, and Sutil hasn’t done anything against the rules. But if you push a rival off the track and they lose control and crash into you then, frankly, that’s called reaping what you sow.

It baffles me that drivers are allowed to push each other off the track but the stewards have quite consistently refused to punish people for it – whether it’s Michael Schumacher on Fernando Alonso (Silverstone, 2003) or Juan Pablo Montoya (Imola, 2004) or Lewis Hamilton on Timo Glock (Monza, 2008) or any others.

It’s not hard to see how allowing this sort of thing could end with someone getting hurt. Alonso was taken out of the race by Sutil’s out-of-control car in a manner not too different to Nick Heidfeld’s violent smash into Takuma Sato in Austria seven years ago.

Again,this sort of driving needs banning before someone gets hurt.

The clarity of the rules

It’s worth pointing out that the ‘rules’ referred to above, about how many times a driver can change their line, and whether they can push a rival off the track, are not written down – these are inferences drawn from past incidents.

The unclear rules on driving standards became a subject of debate last year after controversial decisions (or non-decisions) at Spa, Monza and Fuji. They were explored in greater depth in this article: Four of F1?s ??unwritten rules?.

Following the controversies of 2008 we were promised the stewards would issue more reasoned decisions and share video evidence. None of this has happened. And the rules regarding acceptable driving are every bit as opaque as they were 12 months ago.

It seems to be the case that if a collision doesn’t involve one of the front runners the stewards don’t really care. And while we’re on the subject, how on earth did they fail to give Heikki Kovalainen his penalty before the race had finished?

Read more: Four of F1?s ??unwritten rules?

2009 Brazilian Grand Prix

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  1. In Sutil’s defense it was suggested in the commentary that Sutil had had to lift because Kimi’s Ferrari at that time was lacking a front wing, and had had to take the corner slowly.

    1. and that excuses him from not seeing a car right alongside of him how?

      1. If he was concentrating on the Ferrari to his left, then possibly.

      2. And your take on the incidents are what exactly?

        1. Dunno why Kimi’s so attracted towards Sutil :P Something eh??

      3. When I look at the replay I can’t see anything other then, that Trulli made a bad dessision.
        If you look at the replay Trulli and Sutil drives throug the corner almost side by side. When they begin their exit out of the corner both of them starts steering towards the curb and thats when Sutil see’s Trulli, he then moves towards the left so that he won’t hit him.
        As Trulli touches the grass you can clearly see Sutil leaving alot of space where Truli would have been had he not run the tyres on the grass.
        And about drivers “pushing” other’s off track. In this case I would ask the question: Why do Trulli have the right to be left space? It’s clear that Sutil has the “racing line” and Trulli has more then enough time to brake and stay behinde Sutil, instead making a risk “outer-corner” overtake.

        (Sorry for any mistakes in the text I am from Sweden)

        1. By the time Sutil starts moving left, Trulli has already lost the car.

          Point is Sutil moves so far right that Trulli ends up besides the track.

          The fact that Sutil claims he didn’t do it on purpose because he didn’t see Trulli, is no excuse.

          “Sorry office I didn’t see any traffic lights” …

          1. As i see it. Trulli takes a gamble and runs on the out side of Sutil. The fact that Trulli has been racing for almost his whole life makes him experienced enough to know that if he attempt’s to overtake on the outer line he will always take the risk of Sutil not noticing him or chosing not to lämna space. Since both of them have the chans to lift of and just let the other pass, It’s Trullis line that’s going to draw the short straw (Sutil going of was just, in my point of view bad luck). Trullis outer line is always a risk, if both of them had enterd the corner next to each other and Trulli being an inch ahead at the exit then it would had been an whole different story. Then ther would have been no question that Sutil would had seen Trulli and Trulli would have had right to stay onto the tarmac and Sutil would have had to lift of (becaus the Sutil’s line would draw the shorter straw since Trullis car would just spinn infront of him).
            The basics are these both of them have the choice of lifting of. And since neither of them choose’s to Trulli was in the losers line. Had Sutil lifted of or moved more too the left, then Trulli had made a winnning move. But since Trulli also had the chance of lifting of you can’t penalise Sutil for choosing not to.
            The basics are thies both of them have the choois of lifting of. And since neither of them choose to Trulli was in the losers line. Had Sutil lifted of or moved more too the left, then Trulli had made a winnning move. But since Trulli also had the chanse of lifting of you can’t penalise Sutil for chossing not to.

          2. lämna = leave (swedish sorry)

          3. Yeah, that’s why it is absurd. The leading driver gets away with pushing the attacking driver off.

            It’s daft to say that Trulli should just stay behind. Sutil made two mistakes before that corner (first almost running into Raikkonen and then missing a gear change going into the next corner)

            He either knew that Trulli was next to him and ran wide deliberately or he is an idiot for not knowing that he messed up and offered an opportunity.

            Trulli has had the same problems. He was caught napping by someone at Magny Cours. Think it was Fisichella. At least Trulli had the good grace to wake up before he ran into the other guy.

          4. I fail to understand why Trulli, as overtaking car, thinks he has any right to push Sutil off the racing line. It’s early on the first lap, and they all know there’s a high chance of mayhem happening. Sutil backed off because Kimi slowed (having lost part of his front wing) and he (Sutil) had nowhere to go. Trulli was faced with the same situation and the same decision, but instead of also backing off he decided to go around the outside. Sorry, but there’s no road there. This was absolutely Trulli’s fault. He needs to learn that the car has two pedals – one for fast and one for slow. He should have been penalized for taking two innocent cars (Sutil and Alonso) out. Whoever said that Trulli needed to wait until there was a safe place to overtake Sutil was totally right.

          5. It’s what we pay to see…RACING… good driver decisions, bad driver decisions…, there are allways going to be incidents in the early laps, Trulli was unlucky his move did’nt work, Sutil is showing he is willing to fight his corner, most of the time when you race you have very limited side, and rear vision, most drivers are using peripheral vision, at these speeds there will be miliseconds of reaction time…it’s racing…Bring it on!!

          6. Indeed we want to see RACING. Allowing cars to push each other off track is making that impossible.

        2. Also, Intrepid – Trulli’s point is that since Sutil slowed down dramatically just before a high speed flat out corner on the first lap when the cars are bunched up together….he should have know to stay where he was and not swing wide. He was going slow enough to not need to swing out into the racing line.

          the replays for this only show half of the incident.

          1. I’m sorry, but Sutil was on ahead of Trulli and on the racing line. In that case it is up to Trulli to find a way to get back behind Sutil and wait for a better chance to pass.
            As for Sutil slowing down, he had no choice because of the car ahead.
            As far as I am concerned, if you are in front of a car and you have the racing line and someone behind you gets in an accident, then he has no right to complain. You cannot blame someone for holding the line.

  2. reason kovalainen got punished is because hes in mclaren.

    Dont have a clue about that new japanese driver. He was all over the place, i think he should get a 1 race ban or a hefty fine for that. Maybe because it was his first race there letting him off but…still deserves a kick in the back side

    1. Dont have a clue about that new japanese driver.

      I think he was wonderful! We need such guys. Brave fella!

      1. Me too.
        Kobayashi was definitely one of the highlights of the race
        The guy must get a seat in F1
        He is hot

        1. me 3
          Change his nationality to british and he would be drooled over by the experts.

          Rewind 07 and 08 and you will see LH doing the same thing and he was labeled a gritty brilliant racers by the same experts.

    2. reason kovalainen got punished is because hes in mclaren.

      or because him and his team made a mistake

      1. Bigbadderboom
        20th October 2009, 16:45

        reason kovalainen got punished is because hes in mclaren.

        Actually we got consistancy with Ferraris punishment last year, well done the stewards.

        1. Massa got a drive-through because it was his second offense (Valencia being the first).

    3. Dont have a clue about that new japanese driver.

      Kobayashi was great – other than maybe in the Nakajimas case a little too harsh. I was expecting him to get a penalty for that one..

  3. Prisoner Monkeys
    20th October 2009, 7:43

    Kobayashi is understandable, being a newcomer and all. And Formula One might be a little more interesting if more people drove like him. However, I’m curious if anything was said after Button complained that he was moving around too much in the braking zones. Brawn no doubt passed it on to Charlie Whiting, but did Whiting pass it on to Toyota and Toyota to their driver? I suppose they would have; from the way Kobayashi was weaving, I’d say it’s simply something he does by instinct, and it’s a crease that would need to be ironed out.

    As for Sutil, I agree that it was a racing incident. Sometimes you just don’t see the other guy. Trulli was way off the reservation in having a go at him, but I suppose that given that trouble always seems to know where Sutil is – three races, three altercations; Heidfeld in Singapore, Kovalainen in Japan and now Trulli in Brazil – it’s easy for another driver involved in an accident with him to point fingers.

    1. Sorry, I think Trulli should have seen that Sutil had the racing line in that corner and instead of trying a stupid move over the kerb he should have backed off momentarily – discretion being the better part of valour (something Button gets right when overtaking).

      1. Agree on this!

        1. Trulli’s Off to NASCAR, he better be prepared for things like this! Lucky for him, Sutil didn’t punch him in his face :D He dare not mess up with Americans & Montoya :P

      2. I agree, I can’t see how Sutil could get off the racing line at that speed to make room for Trulli, he would have had to turn a little more and that could have made him spin, Trulli tried to make a pass, he should have seen it was not going to work and backed off. Just a racing incident.

    2. In relation to Kobayashi and Nakajima it seems that Kobayashi didn’t have a look on the mirror while entering the racing line. It clearly shows that his move to left is to allow Nakajima past to the right side of his but too late for Nakajima to avoid it as he already committed to navigate on the left side part of the track. A misjudgment for both of them.

  4. Webber pulled over on Räikkönen too, costing the Ferrari his nose and the race. Webber laconically defended himself in the press conference by saying Räikkönen would have done the same thing. This incident didn’t get any other attention as far as I know.

    There seems to be a fine line between fair and unfair blocking.

    1. good point.
      They are racers and should be let alone doing their thing. The problem is that the old drivers like trulli, are not ready to risk as much as a guy like sutil, who still has a lot to prove. A good driver should know the personality of the driver he is fighting against. And know when the overtaking is going to succeed, or it is better to wait for the next corner. Shumacher was very good at it, trulli is not.

      1. The problem is that the old drivers like trulli, are not ready to risk as much as a guy like sutil, who still has a lot to prove.

        If that were the case, why didn’t Trulli just lift to let Sutil though and keep on the track? You can’t win the race on the first lap!

        1. If that were the case, why didn’t Trulli just lift to let Sutil though

          Cuz he knew was gettin’ fired by Toyota & wanted to go out with a bang!

    2. Webber’s comment was pretty shocking—claiming Raikkonen would have attempted the same thing. Webber pulled the same crap on Barichello a few races back, and his excuses for his dangerous driving are getting old, and they are certainly not befitting the head of the drivers’ council.

  5. In my opinion we forget to say that Trulli or Nakajima could have done one simple thing to avoid the crash, which is lifting off. I think both Sutil and Kobayashi have been quite hard (and Webber too on Kimi), but if you are ahead and you change your line no more than once I think it is ok.
    I remember some harder “closing doors” actions in the past, and no one complained. And I remember some great moves to avoid closing doors (Piquet-Mansell, Silverstone ’87, Schumacher-Hakkinen, Spa 2000) that really are in formula 1 history.
    So, guys, hurry up. It’s old race bravery time!

    1. There is a lot of truth to this comment. The greatest overtaking manouvers of the past have been ones where drivers find a way around closed doors. The Mansell example given is the perfect example

    2. Very well said David. Trulli especially could have avoided the situation by not trying a risky move around the outside of a fast corner.

      Mountain out of a molehill time everyone!

      1. Button didn’t try the outside with Grosjean at that corner. He set him up perfectly to pass in the same spot.

        I guess Trulli saw the opportunity and went for it, but how easy is it to see in those tiny mirrors? I don’t blame Sutil, I think Trulli took the risk and it didn’t pay off. Maybe it’s a lesson for Sutil as it cost him a decent race. You have to be more aware of who is around you.

        I was only wondering at the time if Trulli was going to beat Piquet Snr to the best post crash fight sequence. :D

        1. I was thinking the same thing Chalky. It really looked as if it was going that way. In the end he just waved his arms around a lot.


          1. The problem is Trulli doesn’t know how to pull of overtaking maneuvers! Remember, he’s a train driver :P

    3. It’s worth noting that Button lifted a few times and abandoned his attempts to get past Kobayashi, before he eventually made it past in one piece. Despite his patience he still made plenty of overtaking manoeuvres, maybe something for the others to learn.

  6. As has been posted already it’s easy to for us to say that Sutil was at fault being as we’re not in the heat of the battle. That being said I don’t know how you could say that Sutil forced Trulli off the track, knowingly. There wasn’t enough room for Trulli in the first place and I would hazard a guess that’s why Sutil didn’t see him i.e. he probably didn’t think anyone would be silly enough to take that line into the corner. Then if you watch closely you will see that at one point Sutil does see Trulli and pulls away but at the same time Trulli hits the gravel and bang!

    As for Kobayashi he was all over the place but a rookie would be forgiven for this, in my opinion.

    1. Agreed on Kobayashi – I think someone at Toyota just needs to take him to the side for a quiet word. But he did a sterling job for a first F1 race.

      1. I think Kobayashi did a wonderful job. Look at what’s Slowalainen doing. Best debut race I’ve seen since aussie gp 07.

        1. Slowalainen


  7. It is about time these ‘unwritten rules’ got agreed on and written down once and for all. Shouldn’t any manoeuvre which might cause serious injury or fatality to either drivers, marshalls or spectators be investigated and punished, or have the FIA officials become complacent about the safety technology built into the cars? Perhaps it will take another death before silly and dangerous driving is banned.
    Don’t get me wrong, I am all for close racing and battles all around a racing circuit, but given how many drivers out there can race each other without even touching wheels, aren’t all the others due a reminder?

    1. Trulli has no moral rights to talk bout overtaking!! Since when has he learnt how to OVERTAKE?? Sour grapes, knows very well that this is his penultimate F1 race.

    2. Bigbadderboom
      20th October 2009, 17:00

      I agree DGR-F1, we must get clarity on these unwritten rules and must not get complacent because we have had a few years without a fatality. This also shows us the biggest problem with having no in season testing. The tiny differences in ability in the feeder series are obviousley magnified when it come to the skills required in F1. This year 4 rookies have been thrown into cars they are unfamiliar with and all have struggled with their equipment, even Fisi’s move to Ferrari has proven difficult due to his lack of experience in the car. Combine this with the rookies inexperience with both the extra speed and the stamina required to complete a potential 2 hour race and we have a recipe for disaster.
      I love close racing, but as Jenson proved, having to take extra account for a drivers inexperience and unpredictability is not either fair or safe.
      The GPDA should fully agree on all aspects of overtaking in the interest of safety.

  8. at the next drivers briefing they will probably discuss some of the incidents and that should be the end of it .
    i liked kobayashi’s debut he certainly made an impact .

    1. He certainly made an impact on Nakajima, thats for sure.

  9. Even looking at the replay i’m still not entirely sure what Kobayashi did wrong. I think it was overambitious of Nakajima more than anything else. Kobayashi appears to hit a bump or something before moving to his left to block the move, then back onto the racing line. Nakajima just tries to make a move stick that I don’t think was ever going to work. Can someone explain what was wrong with Kobayashi’s move?

    I don’t see any difference to Mark Webber doing the same thing to Kimi on the first lap, which if anything was too harsh as he clearly put Kimi on the grass

    1. Inference:-
      1.Trulli doesn’t know how to Overtake.

      2. Nakajima doesn’t know how to Drive.

      1. I agree, I think Trulli took a risky maneuver. Nakajima practically drove into the back of Kobayashi, and Nakajima should have been more careful.

        BUT in saying that I feel Kobayashi purposely moved to the left to defend. I think we have not seen last of Kobayashi defending maneuvers. On top of that I somehow expected Kobayashi to get a penalty for that.

    2. bernification
      21st October 2009, 5:09

      Kobayashi clearly changed direction 3 times. This is expressly forbiden. If you were allowed to, there would be no overtaking.

      Webbers move is contentious at best. He seems to think that it’s okay, as he justifies it by saying ‘they’d do that to me’.
      That seems to have been his defence all the time, but when someone does something like it, he complains continually.

      More cheese with your whine.

  10. I’ve seen the replays of both incidents several times. Sutil was not at fault, and left Trulli plenty of room. Trulli just kept his foot in, and paid the price. end of.

    Kobayashi, now he did actually chop Nakajima, but boy was he exciting to watch. Everyone complains that there’s no overtaking, then complain when drivers go for it. Motorsports dangerous. I like Konayashi, and I hope he gets a full time Toyota drive next year. Give the guy a break – it’s his first time in an F1 race, and I think he makes the other rookies look stupid. He’s a racer, and there’s too few of them on the Grid these days.

    1. Totally agreed! Kobayashi might just turn out to be the best Japanese driver since…. since who?? Have there been any decent Japenese drivers? The guy deserves more accolades than criticism. Hats off to Kobayashi for holding off “THE WORLD CHUMPION”
      for all those laps :P

      1. Kobayashi might just turn out to be the best Japanese driver..

        the next word you are looking for is “ever”. :)

    2. with you 100%

      1. sorry when I say with you 100% i mean with AA not the nonsense from the anti button lobby.

  11. Jonesracing82
    20th October 2009, 8:47

    also, they were meant to have TV screen in the press conferance to get adrivers point of view, after about 3 races, they no longer do this……

    1. Yeah, I noticed that. I wonder why they gave up on it? I thought it was a nice change.

  12. Kobayashi should have been punished, no doubt about that. People say he is rookie, but how is he going to learn if there are no consequences for his actions.

    Sutil’s incident is 50-50 to me. Yes, Sutil should have left more room for Trulli but Trulli’s move was optimistic as well. Sutil wasnt aware Trulli was there until it was too late. He is at fault but it was an honest mistake not a deliberate move.

    What worries me is that those chops and people pushing other drivers off the track is common practice nowadays. A few years ago, drivers like Schumacher and Montoya got a lot of stick for moves like that. Hamilton was criticized for similar moves last year. Now nobody even talks about them. Any F3 driver can force their opponents off the track, I expect more class from so-called best drivers in the world.

    Everyone does it, Webbers move on Kimi was similar to Kobayashi’s. Vettel did it to Fisi on Monza, Kimi did it to Hamilton last year on Spa. What happened to giving a car’s width room rule?

    1. People say he is rookie, but how is he going to learn if there are no consequences for his actions.

      C’mon Mahir! He’s just a rookie in his first race. He’s got plenty of time to learn & get punished. He made my race on sunday. Driver of the day. Our “WORLD CHUMP” couldn’t get past him!! Isn’t that an impressive debut?

      1. I am not denying he made a mega debut race, his defence move on Nakajima was the best move I`ve seen for years. (Not the crash, the one 1 lap after Button got past)

    2. bernification
      21st October 2009, 5:13

      Kobayashi should have been punished, no doubt about that. People say he is rookie, but how is he going to learn if there are no consequences for his actions.

      With you 100% on that- that is the purpose of a penalty.
      That situation could have ended very badly.

  13. It’s a bit disappointing to hear Trulli say that this was a “dangerous manoeuvre”. We are all aware of the dangers in F1, and Trulli went and put his car in a dangerous spot: on the right side of a car turning left. You can’t blame a guy for exiting on his line just because you were silly enough to put your car there…

    1. Trulli knows only how to hold up people behind him! He’s a Engine Driver!!

  14. I think the reason Trulli was so upset after the Sutil collision was because he wasn’t expecting Sutil to be going so slowly – he couldn’t have known that Kimi had lost his front wing and was therefore holding Adrian up. So Trulli took the corner at a normal speed, had to go to the outside to avoid a collision, and the end result is that you have three cars in a big heap and a safety car out.

    For Nakajima and Kobayashi, I don’t really see what the problem was. Squeezing a car that’s trying to overtake you is common practice and there was still a car’s width (just) to the left of the Toyota. Kazuki simply misjudged his speed.

    1. Kazuki is as useless as Satoru. Both Owe their extended F1 careers to Honda & Toyota, its come at the expense of Lotus & Williams.

    2. bernification
      21st October 2009, 5:16

      I think the reason Trulli was so upset after the Sutil collision was because he wasn’t expecting Sutil to be going so slowly – he couldn’t have known that Kimi had lost his front wing and was therefore holding Adrian up. So Trulli took the corner at a normal speed, had to go to the outside to avoid a collision, and the end result is that you have three cars in a big heap and a safety car out.

      That’s the nail on the head. Kimi should Have got off the racing line- this was a direct result of him failing too.
      If Trulli wants to go and get angry in someones face- that’s where he should!

      He wouldn’t dare though- he’d look stupid picking himself off his behind!

  15. Erm what footage of Kobayashi were you lot looking at? I see a guy coming out of the pits, staying within the white line and then gets hit by Nakajima! I don’t see him doing anything wrong in that clip!

  16. I just don’t get why they can’t implement a system where they disengage the throttle electronically when they have the fuel hose attached. Seems simple enough to do considering all the tech wizardry F1 seems to have.

    1. no point now with refuelling being banned.

    2. excellent point

  17. They they should allow Drivers Association to make these type of rules as they will know what is dangerous,instead the stewert who forgot what they did with Massa in Singapore?

  18. I’m still having trouble understanding Trulli’s Beef. Sutil was on the racing line, and was only going slower due to Kimi’s slowing Ferrari in front. He didn’t move from the inside to the outside, he didn’t purposfully back off, he didn’t suddenly change his line. Trulli should have either gone to the actual inside, or backed off, not wall-of-deathed it onto the kerbs and grass.

    1. Got to agree, Sutil isn’t weaving, he’s following the racing line, catches Kimi quickly but doesn’t attempt a rash overtaking move as Trulli does.

      Probably doesn’t see Trulli, and it’s not really a credible overtaking spot or effort unless they were previously fighting for position in which case Sutil WOULD have known he was there.

      1. Trulli’s got False Balls!! What the hell was he thinking? making hand gestures to a man double his size :P

  19. Aren’t the overly-wide (and ugly) front wings to blame on several incidents ?
    I mean the drivers can see the tyres, but not the full width of the front wing, which is now quite huge.
    Hamilton clipping Barichello’s rear tyre toward the end is another example.

    If we want less aerodynamical grip, why make these so wide?

    1. It’s so that they aren’t as hampered by dirty air, it’s a bit of a trade-off.

  20. Wen, I think your point is very good.
    We are lucky that next year refuelling is banned, I got enough of this dangerous and unuseful pit stops. Or hearing race engineer saying on the radio: “Don’t need to overtake him, you’re longer than him 3 or 4 laps”…is it racing indeed???

    1. Yes, it’s racing. Racing to work with the strategy. With the no refueling rule, we can expect drivers to drive on the computed fuel consumption per lap. Thus, any out of track excursion or other aggressive driving style, overtaking moves could mean possible out of fuel before the race ends. An introduction of electric alternative power source might be needed. Ops, OT.

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