Comments on: Kobayashi and Sutil spark complaints over driving standards after crashes http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/20/kobayashi-and-sutil-spark-complaints-over-driving-standards-after-crashes/ F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:14:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Lia http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/20/kobayashi-and-sutil-spark-complaints-over-driving-standards-after-crashes/comment-page-5/#comment-299197 Lia Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:20:46 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26511#comment-299197 Found it: App L, chapter 4, art. 2 - overtaking However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited Found it: App L, chapter 4, art. 2 – overtaking

However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited

]]> By: Lia http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/20/kobayashi-and-sutil-spark-complaints-over-driving-standards-after-crashes/comment-page-5/#comment-299193 Lia Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:15:19 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26511#comment-299193 Keith, the rule about changing line is actually written down. Check one of the appendices to International Sporting Code concerning behaviour on track or something like this. Keith, the rule about changing line is actually written down. Check one of the appendices to International Sporting Code concerning behaviour on track or something like this.

]]> By: Maciek http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/20/kobayashi-and-sutil-spark-complaints-over-driving-standards-after-crashes/comment-page-4/#comment-298916 Maciek Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:32:45 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26511#comment-298916 Well, certainly not as much flak. I think what's really got me riled is that Kobayashi is getting a whole bunch of a lot heaps of flak for the Nakajima crash AND for 'dangerously' blocking Button. And while I think that the former is a matter of interpretation, in my view the latter is utterly false. I've still to see video evidence for this 'moving around in the breaking zone' that seems to have become a catchphrase - it wasn't what my eyes were seeing during the race. Well, certainly not as much flak. I think what’s really got me riled is that Kobayashi is getting a whole bunch of a lot heaps of flak for the Nakajima crash AND for ‘dangerously’ blocking Button. And while I think that the former is a matter of interpretation, in my view the latter is utterly false. I’ve still to see video evidence for this ‘moving around in the breaking zone’ that seems to have become a catchphrase – it wasn’t what my eyes were seeing during the race.

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]]> By: Salty http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/20/kobayashi-and-sutil-spark-complaints-over-driving-standards-after-crashes/comment-page-5/#comment-298911 Salty Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:56:08 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26511#comment-298911 Agree with you concerning Kobayashi - did the double block on Nakajima, a big no no there then, although the whole 'rule' is, as you intimated, part gentleman's agreement, part subjective call by whichever bunch of stewards you pull on the day. Not an exact science then - thus incidents like Spa. On the Sutil/Trulli incident though, I have serious issue. You video seems to have been removed by Bernie's team of Christmas helper buddies, but this one still remains: <code></code> Posting URL as well in case embed fails: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkuU5TCZDqo" rel="nofollow"></a> Anyway, roll it forward to approx 40 seconds. Onboard with Sutil coming to the end of Reta Oposta. Entering Descida do Lago Sutil has to visibly slow more than normal because of Kimi's labouring Ferrari sans front wing. He had no where to go. Slow or park it in Kimi's gear box. He reacted in time. Trulli it seems did not. Sutil wasn't trying to push Trulli off the circuit. The whole crux of Trulli's argument was that Sutil had slowed down more than necessary for the corner. Yep he did. Broken Ferrari meant he had to. Let's turn it on it's head for a minute. If Sutil had been nursing the broken wing, we must assume Jarno wouldn't have slowed down and taken them both off? If Jarno was ahead of Sutil, would he have taken out Kimi, and then complained that the Ferrari driver mysteriously slowed down. Jarno Trulli is a VERY experienced driver. He does know that if a car slows down more than usual through the corner ahead of you, you lift a little, give the guy some space, because something is obviously wrong, then pass him when safe. He's obviously narked because season is nearly done and he wants to make sure he can pay for the vineyard next year. But he's still wrong. Sutil braked because he had to. Agree with you concerning Kobayashi – did the double block on Nakajima, a big no no there then, although the whole ‘rule’ is, as you intimated, part gentleman’s agreement, part subjective call by whichever bunch of stewards you pull on the day. Not an exact science then – thus incidents like Spa.

On the Sutil/Trulli incident though, I have serious issue. You video seems to have been removed by Bernie’s team of Christmas helper buddies, but this one still remains:

Posting URL as well in case embed fails:

Anyway, roll it forward to approx 40 seconds. Onboard with Sutil coming to the end of Reta Oposta. Entering Descida do Lago Sutil has to visibly slow more than normal because of Kimi’s labouring Ferrari sans front wing. He had no where to go. Slow or park it in Kimi’s gear box. He reacted in time. Trulli it seems did not. Sutil wasn’t trying to push Trulli off the circuit. The whole crux of Trulli’s argument was that Sutil had slowed down more than necessary for the corner. Yep he did. Broken Ferrari meant he had to.

Let’s turn it on it’s head for a minute. If Sutil had been nursing the broken wing, we must assume Jarno wouldn’t have slowed down and taken them both off? If Jarno was ahead of Sutil, would he have taken out Kimi, and then complained that the Ferrari driver mysteriously slowed down.

Jarno Trulli is a VERY experienced driver. He does know that if a car slows down more than usual through the corner ahead of you, you lift a little, give the guy some space, because something is obviously wrong, then pass him when safe. He’s obviously narked because season is nearly done and he wants to make sure he can pay for the vineyard next year. But he’s still wrong. Sutil braked because he had to.

]]> By: Patrickl http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/20/kobayashi-and-sutil-spark-complaints-over-driving-standards-after-crashes/comment-page-4/#comment-298898 Patrickl Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:13:07 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26511#comment-298898 People complain about the move. Not just the driver. People complain about Webber, Raikkonen or Barrichello making "unethical" moves too. For instance Webber is getting a lot of flak for his move on Raikkonen People complain about the move. Not just the driver. People complain about Webber, Raikkonen or Barrichello making “unethical” moves too.

For instance Webber is getting a lot of flak for his move on Raikkonen

]]> By: Maciek http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/20/kobayashi-and-sutil-spark-complaints-over-driving-standards-after-crashes/comment-page-2/#comment-298875 Maciek Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:58:20 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26511#comment-298875 Umm, so what, Japanese drivers are just all the same in your view? Umm, so what, Japanese drivers are just all the same in your view?

]]> By: AA http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/20/kobayashi-and-sutil-spark-complaints-over-driving-standards-after-crashes/comment-page-4/#comment-298829 AA Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:29:50 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26511#comment-298829 I can't possibly credit Kovy with that much intelligence. He's a nice guy and all, but I think he just parked there because that's what he did, without thinking it through. Nice of Brawn to help out though. I imagine Mercedes were also happy, which of course cant hurt. I can’t possibly credit Kovy with that much intelligence. He’s a nice guy and all, but I think he just parked there because that’s what he did, without thinking it through.

Nice of Brawn to help out though. I imagine Mercedes were also happy, which of course cant hurt.

]]> By: pSynrg http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/20/kobayashi-and-sutil-spark-complaints-over-driving-standards-after-crashes/comment-page-5/#comment-298825 pSynrg Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:23:47 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26511#comment-298825 Lol, videos removed by FOM. Thought Youtube were sponsoring USF1 next year? Lol, videos removed by FOM. Thought Youtube were sponsoring USF1 next year?

]]> By: AP http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/20/kobayashi-and-sutil-spark-complaints-over-driving-standards-after-crashes/comment-page-1/#comment-298824 AP Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:18:12 +0000 http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26511#comment-298824 me 3 Change his nationality to british and he would be drooled over by the experts. Rewind 07 and 08 and you will see LH doing the same thing and he was labeled a gritty brilliant racers by the same experts. me 3
Change his nationality to british and he would be drooled over by the experts.

Rewind 07 and 08 and you will see LH doing the same thing and he was labeled a gritty brilliant racers by the same experts.

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