Tilke’s latest track has F1’s answer to the Laguna Seca corkscrew (Pictures)

A Tilke track that goes up and down as well as left and right...

A Tilke track that goes up and down as well as left and right...

We took a look at Motorland Aragon – Hermann Tilke’s latest F1-ready track – earlier this year. Now the track is open for business and F1 driver Jaime Alguersuari is racing there this weekend in the World Series by Renault.

Tilke’s tracks are often criticised for being featureless and flat but his latest effort has a lot of gradient and the closest you can get to Laguna Seca’s famous ‘corkscrew’ within F1’s strict regulations.

Here’s how Pedro de la Rosa described it earlier this year:

Turns eight and nine ?ǣ it?s like the Corkscrew at Laguna Seca, it?s quite steep. We had to work on making it less steep than the plans originally said it would be.
Pedro de la Rosa

It’s no Spa or Suzuka – this is very much a Tilke track. But I think it’s one of his better efforts, up there with Istanbul and Sepang.

As a venue for a F1 race in Spain it certainly looks better than the unloved Circuito Urbano Valencia. But with two races already taking place in Spain the only time we’re likely to see F1 cars on it is during testing.

Take a look at some picture of the track from this weekend’s World Series by Renault race and share your thoughts on the track.

Motorland Aragon (click to enlarge)

Motorland Aragon (click to enlarge)

Read more: Exclusive interview: Pedro de la Rosa on F1 2009 and Motorland Aragon

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68 comments on Tilke’s latest track has F1’s answer to the Laguna Seca corkscrew (Pictures)

  1. cyanide said on 25th October 2009, 7:58

    Keith, I hope you don’t mean this > http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/motorloandaragon_wsr_2009-23.jpg when you say corkscrew. :(

  2. mp4-19b said on 25th October 2009, 8:28

    Thanx for the video & photos Keith! The circuit looks exciting :) I’ll try this on my rfactor :D

    For anyone interested in trying out this track in rfactor, here’s the link

    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7FTOMPOY

    And please let me know your lap times :)

  3. Rikadyn said on 25th October 2009, 8:38

    Really? Where?

    • 6:50 on the video?

      • F1Yankee said on 25th October 2009, 10:04

        yep. 5 on the map

        • steve said on 25th October 2009, 15:56

          For Tilke – the King of Bland – thats extreme! For everyone else its nothing special and will look utterly flat on TV.

          The reason F1 looks dull and Monaco and Spa are so great – which no one in F1 seems to understand is that on those tracks the cars are seen in context – they are viewed with houses / trees etc around them. Valencia is concrete walls, all the rest are pretty much tarmac car parks on TV.

  4. Get rid of Barcelona for this – it looks a beauty.

  5. F1Yankee said on 25th October 2009, 10:08

    look at all that run-off room! does anyone else think modern tracks are too safe? don’t get me wrong, i don’t want people killed, but does absolutely everything need be pussified?

    • I complety agree about the safety. Thats why i have more respect for the rally drivers those drivers are real man.
      i can’t hear the name of Herman Tilke again, all the tracks are the same. Its like buiding a carrera racetrack what ever lay out you make the corners are always the same.

      • steve said on 25th October 2009, 15:51

        I have a great idea….. no else thinks so though.

        Have the run offs – so that drivers dont get killed. But have them colour coded.

        Go into a Black area – no penalty
        Go into a Blue area – drive through penalty
        Go into a Yellow area – 30 second stop and go penalty
        Go into a Red area – disqualified.

        That would instantly stop drivers using the run offs and put a degree of ‘threat’ into crashing while eliminating the threat of injury/death.

        • mp4-19b said on 25th October 2009, 15:58

          SUPERB IDEA!!! Why didn’t I even think of this! Todt must implement this!

          • steve said on 25th October 2009, 16:17

            Why thank you! I think it would really resolve two big problems Danger – v Loss of spectacle. F1 is the only sport know that allows play to continue over the line and off the field of play.

          • Antifia said on 26th October 2009, 9:33

            That seems to be a good idea indeed – Until, that is, the first time such a rule criples the race of the guy you root for. Suppose LH is winning the Australian GP by, say 15s, makes a small mistake and go over a yellow area….we’ll have to hear it till the end of the year that he has been robed, that the rule is crap and that the guy that won the championship over him by a couple of points did not deserve it.

        • cyanide said on 25th October 2009, 19:13

          So what happens when a driver is pushed off into the runoff area by another?

          • The danger always devided the man from the boys. And with danger taken out of the sport it is not the same anymore……

          • steve said on 26th October 2009, 13:05

            Thats tough…. what happens now when that happens and its a gravel trap? The run off are fine unless a driver is unconscious (ie Massa) then the tarmac does nothing….gravel or even the old 70s catch fences would slow the car down. Tarmac didn’t save Senna…. but gravel might have.

            My idea only replicates the exclusion caused by gravel or injury -no more.

            If drivers play a game of pushing each other off then the sport is finished.

        • That is a very good idea, although I’m sure the stewards would have trouble deciding who was forced off and who gained an advantage and what not.

  6. Dingle Dell said on 25th October 2009, 10:10

    This track looks nice, as well as Algarve track, the one in Portugal, I suppose that’s a Tilke work as well. Would love to see both Aragon and Algarve in F1 calendar and scrap those not-so-good Tilke tracks.

    • Xanathos said on 25th October 2009, 10:30

      Yeah, both look like decent tracks. Hermann Tillke is actually a pretty decent architect for GP circuits, if you let him work freely he can come up with a very decent track. The problems are more requirements by the future circuit owners and the location (You can’t build a track with a lot of ups and downs in a swamp near Shanghai). A track in the desert also is bound to be dusty off the racing line and if the F1 race is the only race all year, there won’t be very much rubber, as in turkey.

      If you’d only put the best tilke tracks on the calendar, there wouldn’t be as much whining by the fans.

    • Prometheus said on 25th October 2009, 15:41

      Algarve is not a Tilke track. No idea, who designed that one, but it wasn’t him.

      I like the first half of the new Aragon track, the second half is far less interesting.

  7. amtrak said on 25th October 2009, 10:39

    Wide,fast,featureless,boring…..should be great for F1!

    • Ned Flanders said on 25th October 2009, 12:19

      Yeah, I was disapointed, I don’t get what all the fuss is about.

      The best new track by miles is Portimao, it’s like a rollercoaster. If only there was a decent Portugese driver, then perhaps we might get a race there. Bring back Tiago Monteiro and Pedro Lamy, I say! Or convert Cristiano Ronaldo into an F1 driver

      • Steph90 said on 25th October 2009, 12:22

        Please not a Ronaldo in F1 …

      • Kinney said on 25th October 2009, 13:29

        I was in Portugal last month to watch GP2 Series and what I heard it’s that they’re trying to bring back the F1 to Portugal, but I don’t know if they have the most important thing: MONEY.

        I also heard, but don’t know if it’s true, that Bernie Ecclestone is a minority owner of the track. If it was true, maybe we could see the track on the calendar soon.

    • GeeMac said on 26th October 2009, 5:39

      I have to agree with Ned, I was watchin g the World Superbikes at Portimao yesterday and it looks epic…

  8. mp4-19b said on 25th October 2009, 10:40

    WOW! This is quite an addictive track! Just did 10 laps & I’m enjoying it.

    Here are my sector times.

    SECTOR1

    SECTOR2

    Lap record is a 1:45.507 (Esteban Guerrieri, RC Motorsport, 2009)

    Wonder what lap times the f1 cars will set ?

    SECTOR3

    • Steph90 said on 25th October 2009, 11:25

      Wow I want rfactor and I will beat the time.
      And thanks Pm, shame as I quite liked the look of this place.

    • Stealthman said on 25th October 2009, 14:25

      I just ran some laps with the F1RL09 mod. Very addictive track like you say, and pretty easy to get the hang of.

      My best lap time so far after 7 or 8 laps (using Webber’s Red Bull) is a 1:29.381. I didn’t change much setup-wise besides gearing, downforce and brake pressure, so there’s probably another second or so in there for me. :)

    • @ mp4 –Thanks for the heads up on the rfactor download. I looked at your screencap and am wondering what mod you used to get the track map to show on the screen. I know my lap time would improve if I could glance over at a map of the layout. Right now I’m lapping at a pitiful 1:39:30

      • mp4-19b said on 25th October 2009, 15:27

        @Steph90

        Sure, you will :) What are you waiting for?

        Keith’s F1F + Rfactor + G25 + Fsone 08 mod + Motec Telemetry + apple juice = complete F1 experience :P

        @Stealthman

        Wow! That was almost +10sec! But I’d say F1RL V2.0 isn’t the most accurate mod out there. I suggest using FSone 08, the most accurate f1 mod till date. I think a proper F1 lap time is somewhere in the 1:34’s range. And most importantly, I had switched of all the help aids, including TC,stability & anti-lock. Used only clutch & didn’t meddle around in motec. Anyway, it gives you a general idea, even though the elevation changes are not represented accurately. Guess we’ve gotta wait for CTDP or Fsone to come up with a better version. I’ve got bobbs track builder & tried doing dubai, but failed miserably :( So, wouldn’t dare doing this track.

        @ C4

        you just need to INSTALL THIS PLUGIN. Just make sure you’ve activated hardware plugins( by pressing G). Otherwise the gps dot on the map will not move. Its compatible with all the mods I think.

        I know my lap time would improve if I could glance over at a map of the layout

        Trust me it wouldn’t :D Infact I suggest you not to use the map plugin. All it does is to distract you!! Tellin’ you outta experience.

        Good Luck :)

        • Steph90 said on 25th October 2009, 15:45

          Mp4 mainly as I’m waiting for my friend to buy me it for christmas (as I have no idea how to download it I’m getting a friend to buy so he can put it on my computer :P)
          But be warned mp4, when I have it I will smash any time previously set ;) :P

        • Stealthman said on 26th October 2009, 13:52

          Alrighty, with your suggestions in mind I just went out again. I don’t have FSOne (might get it though ;)) so I did some laps in the car in my game that’s closest to it: the stock BMW Sauber 2007. No aids except autoclutch, not even TC.

          I ran wide in a few places and may have overdone the throttle in some vital corners, but I managed a time of 1:32.468. I can’t really say whether it’s an accurate time considering the car, but I reckon it’s close enough. I may upload my replay somewhere for people to download if I find the time tomorrow. :)

    • lee cambell said on 27th October 2009, 1:41

      i took your advice and dl the track for my rfactor using mod ctdp 05 in mclaren i just lapped in 1:31.124

  9. Prisoner Monkeys said on 25th October 2009, 10:43

    Aragon was never intended for Formula One. Rght from the beginning, it was conceived as being a Category-2 circuit at best. It won’t appear on the calenar any time soon.

  10. Steph90 said on 25th October 2009, 10:43

    Not too bad by looks of things. I’ll try that out on rfactor when I get it, looks fun :).

  11. HounslowBusGarage said on 25th October 2009, 12:22

    I watched a bit of the Formula Renault yesterday. Both the comentators were saying that the entry onto the long back straight was very slow and it certainly appeared to be a 90 degree left, just like the You Tube video. So they were using the in-field loop at No 7 on the track chart. This meant that the entry to the back straight was much slower than it should have been, which meant the overtaking possibilities at the end and into the very tight hairpin were much reduced.
    If they’d used the outer track layout – marked with the red line on your track diagram – it would have been much better for overtaking at the hairpin.
    And the downhill right, left, into long left isn’t really much of a corkscrew. Needs another downhill left right combination in there!

  12. inc0mmunicado said on 25th October 2009, 12:59

    weak!

  13. Hallard said on 25th October 2009, 13:18

    Keith, did Tilke share his valium with you?

    That doesnt even come close to the infamous corkscrew!

    Decent looking track all around though.

    • Prometheus said on 25th October 2009, 15:46

      You just can’t fit something like the original Corkscrew into the FIA regulations. Gradient changes in breaking zones or corners are not allowed. So this combination auf downhill corners is as good as it gets within the rules, I suppose.

  14. F1Outsider said on 25th October 2009, 15:57

    The Senna S in Interlagos is closer to the Laguna Corkscrew than anything I’ve seen on the pics of this track.

  15. teeb123456789 said on 25th October 2009, 16:10

    Since there is such an outcry from F1 fans for more circuits with large gradient changes, could the FIA or FOTA or Bernie (or whoever decides) not come to an agreement to change the cars so that they would be more suited to hilly tracks? Just an idea…..

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