I think that is irrelevant. Jenson didn’t get any penalties because he kept out of trouble.

maybe you should watch the 07′ italian gp, and his move on kimi, after you watch that i bet you wont be able to say “cant use his brakes”, it show he has huge natural brake feel ability,

you cant win a championship with out knowing how to use your brakes.

I also think you missed jenson and Rubens had no rivals for the first 7 races. unlike when Webber and Vettel started to take points away and catch up in the second half of the season, all the cars improved alot making it 5x harder to score points.

Same reply to you. China? Bahrein? Turkey? Silverstone? Germany?

That’s 5 out of the first 9 where they were flat out fastest! Vettel made poor starts/no overtaking/driving errors so he lost several of those races to Button.

Besides in Australia and Malaysia the red Bulls were the first ones behind Brawn and in Spain and Monaco they (potentially) had the same pace as the Brawns.

Yet Vettel spun off in Malaysia, was unable to overtake again in Spain, messed up the tyres and eventually blundered into a wall in Monaco.

He still did drive the fastest car and should really have been ahead or very close behind Button.

Vettel had trouble beating Webber. I doubt he can match up to Alonso or Hamilton in an equal car.

Vettel is very fast though. If he can one day learn to crash less and overtake cars he would indeed become a championship contender (in a normal season) too.

We will see next year who is the better driver. Just as we will see who has the best car.

McLaren run a very stiff setup, you quite often see lewis’ and heikki’s inside wheel lock up because it is barely touching the ground, it hardly does any damage to the tyres. If the wheels were locked up by bad braking, both wheels would be locked up and the driver would overshoot the apex.

Last year, the problems Lewis had with his tyres wearing fast were caused by the car being really bad on its tyres not the driver. You will have noticed this year that the red bull is quite hard on its tyres, which is why they have been lacking pace sometimes late in their stints. They seem to have solved this problem somewhat throughout the season.

As for Brawn being luck for not having points deducted, I really don’t get your point – this defuser was proved legal. The teams that decided not to use it challenged it because they didn’t understand this rule properly.

Also the red bull car was very fast even without the double diffuser, in fact they won their first race this season without the double diffuser.

You should maybe think about the facts before making this kind of statement.

Obviously you are a Vettel fan, let me be the first to say he is a great young driver, with huge potential. He has however yet to demonstrate his ability to overtake and he fairly finished second this year beating Barrichello, who had a better car for most of the season, so well done to him for that. He made too many mistakes this season, and we haven’t seen the best of him, so just like Lewis Hamilton in his first season, he finished second after taking too many risks and making too many mistakes. However Lewis only lost out by 1 point so maybe tha makes Lewis a better driver – not only was it his first season in a fast car – it was his first season in F1, whereas Vettel is in his third season.

I think there is alot more to come from Vettel, but maybe a driver like Alonso, Raikkonen, Massa or Hamilton would have won the championship in that car?

We can all speculate!

Well the Red Bull wasn’t the fastest car in the first 9 races or so.

China? Bahrein? Turkey? Silverstone? Germany?

That’s 5 out of the first 9 where they were flat out fastest!

Besides in Australia and Malaysia they were the first ones behind Brawn and in Spain and Monaco they (potentially) had the same pace as the Brawns.

You’re right, but that’s not what I’ve been saying

Well in what respect is your reply different then?

AFAIK I simply repeated your claim that there usually just isn’t much opportunity for overtaking.

And i think you also missed Vettel didnt have a double decker diffuser at the start thats how Button and Rubens got so far infront.

I also think you missed jenson and Rubens had no rivals for the first 7 races. unlike when Webber and Vettel started to take points away and catch up in the second half of the season, all the cars improved alot making it 5x harder to score points.

And lets assume Red bull get the mercedes engine in 2010, Red bull would still have a better package then mclaren. And whats stopping Red Bull making the best car next year again? Vettel is a the next star of Formula 1 and the Hamilton fans are scared of his ability.

Vettel’s first year in a decent car and he gets 2nd, the same as Hamilton. Vettel even had terrible luck this year and made bad choices “Aus missed 8-6 points” “Monaco could of got another 4-3 points” “Valencia not his fault 2 engine blow ups Renaults fault another 4-6 points lost”

Vettel has been unlucky this year and Brawn with the diffuser loop hole were lucky not to get points deducted. vettel will be ready to fight in 2010 for real now, the field is level no KERS no advantages so bring it.

And i tell you what Massa, Alonso and Rosberg have got better chances then Hamilton next year since they can maintain their tyres and not destroy their brakes within 5 laps as today proved by Lewis.

Lewis Hamilton has become a joke now, he wont get in the top 5 in 2010 because he doesn’t have the experience with Heavy fuel loads and he always is a light, fast front runner. and dont bother saying he can overtake other cars, he could only overtake this year because he had the KERS advantage helping him out 90% of the time.

Hamilton was lucky to get 5th this year since Massa would of beat him if he didn’t get injured. Because Ferrari would of kept on improving the car if Massa was still around, so Kimi would of beat Lewis to 6th, and your mate “Lewser Flopilton” would of been 7th.

Maybe lewis should think going to NASCAR since they dont have to brake as hard around the corners……….

So whats the matter, scared that your boy Hamilton is being outclassed by a better driver that’s younger?

opps how dare you say that about the fabled Silverstone airport, that looks as if it’s been falling apart since when ever I started watching f1.

Silverstone race was very boring but then again so was Barcelona, and Valencia…the worst being Monza.
3 of the worst races were on ‘classic’ traditionally used tracks.

This track has potential and did allow for overtaking and I dont know if I was watching a different race than everyone else, but I saw a more passing here than some of the other tracks used this year.

Thanks to Brawn for the DDD and the utter non-sense that caused not only to teams following the spirit of the rules and the other that were told by the same body of officials that it wasn’t legal(FIA) then was after all cars were designed…and all the dirty air it created.

Lets not forget all the Brawn and co fans and how they were labeled them geniousness…for totally destroying all the possibilities of better racing that they alone stole from us.

RBR should feel cheated as they not only had a car that could compete with out the DDD but then also killed the field with a DDD baring their own mistakes.

Buttons first win was in a very average car.