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> <channel><title>Comments on: F1 links: How Honda&#8217;s team was saved</title> <atom:link href="http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/10/f1-links-how-hondas-team-was-saved/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/10/f1-links-how-hondas-team-was-saved/</link> <description>F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog with F1 news, pictures, video, comment and analysis</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:10:44 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Icthyes</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/10/f1-links-how-hondas-team-was-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-306074</link> <dc:creator>Icthyes</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:13:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26959#comment-306074</guid> <description>Hear, hear!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Phil T</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/10/f1-links-how-hondas-team-was-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-304691</link> <dc:creator>Phil T</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:41:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26959#comment-304691</guid> <description>Steve Bierly - Tit</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Bierly &#8211; Tit</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Keith Collantine</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/10/f1-links-how-hondas-team-was-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-303626</link> <dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:09:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26959#comment-303626</guid> <description>Thing is, this article apart, the Guardian&#039;s F1 coverage is pretty good. I enjoy Richard Williams&#039; columns.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is, this article apart, the Guardian&#8217;s F1 coverage is pretty good. I enjoy Richard Williams&#8217; columns.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Keith Collantine</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/10/f1-links-how-hondas-team-was-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-303625</link> <dc:creator>Keith Collantine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:08:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26959#comment-303625</guid> <description>This is why I never bother with Bleacher Report stuff. I don&#039;t care if some random bloke in America hates Japanese manufacturers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I never bother with Bleacher Report stuff. I don&#8217;t care if some random bloke in America hates Japanese manufacturers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: steph90</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/10/f1-links-how-hondas-team-was-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-303622</link> <dc:creator>steph90</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:52:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26959#comment-303622</guid> <description>I&#039;ve always reserved a special hatred for The Guardian but this is absurd.
This &#039;journalist&#039; has probably just read the other drivvel what usually comes out of the tabloids regarding Formula 1 and thought &#039;oh my opinion is much better&#039; and has had the arragance and ignorance to spout off thinking they know what they are talking about.
Anyone could rant for half an hour about how much they hate something. Grab a kid from the playground and they&#039;ll do it for free and probably put forward their ideas much better. So why on earth this paper would think it would be a good idea is beyond me. Why does this person feel they are in a position to talk down to us about our sport when we actually have at least some understanding of what is going on?
To anyone else in the world who would cheer this writer on: if you don&#039;t like F1 fine there are a million other channels to watch but don&#039;t project your prejudice on us because after this initial outrage we&#039;ll all have calmed down and realise something- your opinion counts for nothing to us. You&#039;ve failed. We won&#039;t buy your paper and so your writing may as well not exist.
If you want a debate about f1 then come on have one I&#039;m all for it there are flaws in f1 but don&#039;t get on your soap box and tell me what to watch. I hate cricket but others can enjoy it and good for them! Let people have their pleasures in life it doesn&#039;t hurt anyone else!
F1 excites and is a whole new world, Top gear is escapism. Clearly if people want to spend so long having a go at it they need some relief. It sounds like they are having a pretty miserable time.
As for green issues, fine make the world greener but do it and don&#039;t spout off. I&#039;m sick of everyone being taxed for green issues, now having media control and that stupid advert to scare children that the world will end in a massive flood (we do have that advert now in Britain). Stop going on about electric cars-they are a quick fix and if time was actually invested maybe hydrogen would be better.
It&#039;s hilariously ironic how there is sarcasm aimed at New Labour and Mandelson- you are cut from the same cloth. You both want to control us and you are both going to fail.
I apologise to my fellow fanatics as my argument has been nowhere near as good as Prisoner Monkeys but I felt I had to say something and that&#039;s good because on this site we can debate. It isn&#039;t totalitarian and we consider each others opinions and are willing to accept mistakes and other sides of the story. That is why I love this site and why The Guardian will never again be on my screen or the paper in my house.I would also like to apologise for grammar and typos as I&#039;m about to rush out the door and when I typed the red mist had came down, I was slightly irritated to say the least &lt;code&gt;:P&lt;/code&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always reserved a special hatred for The Guardian but this is absurd.<br
/> This &#8216;journalist&#8217; has probably just read the other drivvel what usually comes out of the tabloids regarding Formula 1 and thought &#8216;oh my opinion is much better&#8217; and has had the arragance and ignorance to spout off thinking they know what they are talking about.<br
/> Anyone could rant for half an hour about how much they hate something. Grab a kid from the playground and they&#8217;ll do it for free and probably put forward their ideas much better. So why on earth this paper would think it would be a good idea is beyond me. Why does this person feel they are in a position to talk down to us about our sport when we actually have at least some understanding of what is going on?<br
/> To anyone else in the world who would cheer this writer on: if you don&#8217;t like F1 fine there are a million other channels to watch but don&#8217;t project your prejudice on us because after this initial outrage we&#8217;ll all have calmed down and realise something- your opinion counts for nothing to us. You&#8217;ve failed. We won&#8217;t buy your paper and so your writing may as well not exist.<br
/> If you want a debate about f1 then come on have one I&#8217;m all for it there are flaws in f1 but don&#8217;t get on your soap box and tell me what to watch. I hate cricket but others can enjoy it and good for them! Let people have their pleasures in life it doesn&#8217;t hurt anyone else!<br
/> F1 excites and is a whole new world, Top gear is escapism. Clearly if people want to spend so long having a go at it they need some relief. It sounds like they are having a pretty miserable time.<br
/> As for green issues, fine make the world greener but do it and don&#8217;t spout off. I&#8217;m sick of everyone being taxed for green issues, now having media control and that stupid advert to scare children that the world will end in a massive flood (we do have that advert now in Britain). Stop going on about electric cars-they are a quick fix and if time was actually invested maybe hydrogen would be better.<br
/> It&#8217;s hilariously ironic how there is sarcasm aimed at New Labour and Mandelson- you are cut from the same cloth. You both want to control us and you are both going to fail.<br
/> I apologise to my fellow fanatics as my argument has been nowhere near as good as Prisoner Monkeys but I felt I had to say something and that&#8217;s good because on this site we can debate. It isn&#8217;t totalitarian and we consider each others opinions and are willing to accept mistakes and other sides of the story. That is why I love this site and why The Guardian will never again be on my screen or the paper in my house.</p><p>I would also like to apologise for grammar and typos as I&#8217;m about to rush out the door and when I typed the red mist had came down, I was slightly irritated to say the least <code> <img
src='http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </code></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: F1Yankee</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/10/f1-links-how-hondas-team-was-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-303608</link> <dc:creator>F1Yankee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:33:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26959#comment-303608</guid> <description>wow, that article really was crap.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, that article really was crap.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Becken</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/10/f1-links-how-hondas-team-was-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-303598</link> <dc:creator>Becken</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:20:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26959#comment-303598</guid> <description>Interesting about Toyota is that I read that they are just tryint to ruin NASCAR:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Toyota Ruins NASCAR: What Needs to Change&lt;/strong&gt;Watching yet another Toyota win in the Coke Zero 400 at Daytona was the final straw. Toyota has taken NASCAR&#039;s top series by force with no hope for the other manufacturers.Clint Bowyer said it best in the Nationwide race, yet another series dominated this year by the foreign manufacturer. Bowyer said that the Toyotas just have too much power.What I want to know is what NASCAR will do. This sport was built by great American auto manufacturers.Toyota came into NASCAR&#039;s top two series in 2007. Toyota spent TOO much money and hired all of the sports brightest minds, just ask team owner Jack Roush. In 2007, NASCAR introduced the Car of Tomorrow (COT) with hopes of lowering the cost for owners. Instead, due to NASCAR&#039;s partial schedule with the new car, it left teams spending even more money to gather data on the new car.This led to one of the most lopsided seasons in recent years, giving Hendrick Motorsports almost half of NASCAR&#039;s 36 Wins. This year, through 18 races, Toyota has won seven times, Chevy four times, Dodge four times, and Ford three times. Looking at these stats is not all that bad until you break it down by driver.Kyle Busch leads the series with six wins, the next closest is Carl Edwards with three wins. NASCAR shouldn&#039;t have to scratch their head to hard to see that TOYOTA is the difference maker.I don&#039;t blame Joe Gibbs Racing for making the switch, after all they will probably lose the only championship driver they have to Haas CNC. But NASCAR needs to take a look at their campaign slogan for 2008, &quot;Back to Basics&quot;, and do something about Toyota&#039;s dominance in the sport...&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://bleacherreport.com/articles/35382-toyota-ruins-nascar-what-needs-to-change&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
HERE&lt;/a&gt; the link to the rest of the article.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting about Toyota is that I read that they are just tryint to ruin NASCAR:</p><blockquote><p><strong>Toyota Ruins NASCAR: What Needs to Change</strong></p><p>Watching yet another Toyota win in the Coke Zero 400 at Daytona was the final straw. Toyota has taken NASCAR&#8217;s top series by force with no hope for the other manufacturers.</p><p>Clint Bowyer said it best in the Nationwide race, yet another series dominated this year by the foreign manufacturer. Bowyer said that the Toyotas just have too much power.</p><p>What I want to know is what NASCAR will do. This sport was built by great American auto manufacturers.</p><p>Toyota came into NASCAR&#8217;s top two series in 2007. Toyota spent TOO much money and hired all of the sports brightest minds, just ask team owner Jack Roush. In 2007, NASCAR introduced the Car of Tomorrow (COT) with hopes of lowering the cost for owners. Instead, due to NASCAR&#8217;s partial schedule with the new car, it left teams spending even more money to gather data on the new car.</p><p>This led to one of the most lopsided seasons in recent years, giving Hendrick Motorsports almost half of NASCAR&#8217;s 36 Wins. This year, through 18 races, Toyota has won seven times, Chevy four times, Dodge four times, and Ford three times. Looking at these stats is not all that bad until you break it down by driver.</p><p>Kyle Busch leads the series with six wins, the next closest is Carl Edwards with three wins. NASCAR shouldn&#8217;t have to scratch their head to hard to see that TOYOTA is the difference maker.</p><p>I don&#8217;t blame Joe Gibbs Racing for making the switch, after all they will probably lose the only championship driver they have to Haas CNC. But NASCAR needs to take a look at their campaign slogan for 2008, &#8220;Back to Basics&#8221;, and do something about Toyota&#8217;s dominance in the sport&#8230;</p></blockquote><p><a
href="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/35382-toyota-ruins-nascar-what-needs-to-change" rel="nofollow"><br
/> HERE</a> the link to the rest of the article.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Prisoner Monkeys</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/10/f1-links-how-hondas-team-was-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-303595</link> <dc:creator>Prisoner Monkeys</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:50:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26959#comment-303595</guid> <description>Short verion:You really don&#039;t have the resources to be giving out pieces of your mind, because you might need that for regulating your body temperature or remembering how to breathe.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short verion:</p><p>You really don&#8217;t have the resources to be giving out pieces of your mind, because you might need that for regulating your body temperature or remembering how to breathe.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Prisoner Monkeys</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/10/f1-links-how-hondas-team-was-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-303594</link> <dc:creator>Prisoner Monkeys</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:48:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26959#comment-303594</guid> <description>Attn: Steve BierleyGrow a pair. I don&#039;t like puppies or communism, but I don&#039;t try and hide my prejudices behind my journalistic credentials. I&#039;m not actually a journalist, so I&#039;m forced to be upfront about it, but even if I &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt;, I would not pretend to be a greener version of Jeremy Clarkson.On the other hand, if all of your work is constructed out of vaguely-connected buzzwords that have been roughly arranged into sentences - like 95% of the filler in your article (which, in turn, made up about 95% of the article itself) - then I&#039;m clearly crediting you with an over-abundance of schooling.Are the end of the day, what I&#039;m really asking is this: do you actually believe what you&#039;re writing (if so, more power to you), or are you just using a politico-environmental soapbox as your ticket out of obscurity? Reading the other stuff that you&#039;ve attached to the article, like Andre Agassi - why? I cannot think of a person with less of a connection to Formula One other than the Pope - it&#039;s clear that you fall into the latter of the two categories.A tip for later in life: don&#039;t just regurgitate public sentiment onto the page and call it your own opinion, and then make your actual opinions out to be some kind of common belief even when no-one agrees with you. You are not the &lt;em&gt;vox populi&lt;/em&gt;. It&#039;s unattractive, and from reading the comments attached to your article, nobody agrees with you. Go back to whatever tabloid newspaper or current affairs programme you came from, because at the very least, you&#039;ll have an audience more suited to your level of intellect.Okay, you stop reading there. Everyone else with an IQ above room temperature, continue:Go back to whatever tabloid newspaper or current affairs programme you came from, because at the very least, you&#039;ll have an audience more suited to your level of intellect. This is largely due to the fact that they lack the capacity to form their own opinions, and will just substitute yours as their own. But at least you&#039;ll feel appreciated.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attn: Steve Bierley</p><p>Grow a pair. I don&#8217;t like puppies or communism, but I don&#8217;t try and hide my prejudices behind my journalistic credentials. I&#8217;m not actually a journalist, so I&#8217;m forced to be upfront about it, but even if I <em>was</em>, I would not pretend to be a greener version of Jeremy Clarkson.</p><p>On the other hand, if all of your work is constructed out of vaguely-connected buzzwords that have been roughly arranged into sentences &#8211; like 95% of the filler in your article (which, in turn, made up about 95% of the article itself) &#8211; then I&#8217;m clearly crediting you with an over-abundance of schooling.</p><p>Are the end of the day, what I&#8217;m really asking is this: do you actually believe what you&#8217;re writing (if so, more power to you), or are you just using a politico-environmental soapbox as your ticket out of obscurity? Reading the other stuff that you&#8217;ve attached to the article, like Andre Agassi &#8211; why? I cannot think of a person with less of a connection to Formula One other than the Pope &#8211; it&#8217;s clear that you fall into the latter of the two categories.</p><p>A tip for later in life: don&#8217;t just regurgitate public sentiment onto the page and call it your own opinion, and then make your actual opinions out to be some kind of common belief even when no-one agrees with you. You are not the <em>vox populi</em>. It&#8217;s unattractive, and from reading the comments attached to your article, nobody agrees with you. Go back to whatever tabloid newspaper or current affairs programme you came from, because at the very least, you&#8217;ll have an audience more suited to your level of intellect.</p><p>Okay, you stop reading there. Everyone else with an IQ above room temperature, continue:</p><p>Go back to whatever tabloid newspaper or current affairs programme you came from, because at the very least, you&#8217;ll have an audience more suited to your level of intellect. This is largely due to the fact that they lack the capacity to form their own opinions, and will just substitute yours as their own. But at least you&#8217;ll feel appreciated.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rikadyn</title><link>http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/10/f1-links-how-hondas-team-was-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-303587</link> <dc:creator>Rikadyn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:59:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/?p=26959#comment-303587</guid> <description>Maybe cause NASCAR requires nothing from Toyota other than a small check to a couple teams, seeing as the cars are spec, the engines aren&#039;t built by toyota, all they do is produce sticker packages...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe cause NASCAR requires nothing from Toyota other than a small check to a couple teams, seeing as the cars are spec, the engines aren&#8217;t built by toyota, all they do is produce sticker packages&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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