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	<title>Comments on: Track or car design &#8211; what&#8217;s to blame for F1&#8242;s passing problem? (Poll)</title>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 03:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say it is about 70% track design, and 30% car design.

Regarding track design, I think it is a very major part of the problem. To overtake, you need a good corner design to provide best opportunities for drivers to do it more frequently. With a good corner design, I&#039;m talking about suitable corner angle &amp; speed, wide braking area, grip, and harmonic relationship with the previous and next corners. 

At some circuits, we can see some corners are just blatantly meaningless, as if it&#039;s just for a corner&#039;s sake. To make a race as exciting as possible, that is in one way increase the number of overtaking, we have to make as many corners as possible meet the requirements of a good corner design.

Car design also contribute some to this problem. Fundamentally, F1 cars are extremely dependent of aerodynamic downforce, which make them a lot slower at medium to high-speed corners when a car is racing right behind another car. The ironic part is it&#039;s the situation where the cars are before they overtake. With the current design, it is highly difficult for them to overtake on those corners.

With a more overtaking-friendly design, such as splitting the rear wing into two parts and putting them right behind the rear wheels, it will increase the downforce available to cars right behind, thus increasing the probability of overtaking.

I&#039;m no engineer. I&#039;m just an F1 fan, waiting for more exciting races.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say it is about 70% track design, and 30% car design.</p>
<p>Regarding track design, I think it is a very major part of the problem. To overtake, you need a good corner design to provide best opportunities for drivers to do it more frequently. With a good corner design, I&#8217;m talking about suitable corner angle &amp; speed, wide braking area, grip, and harmonic relationship with the previous and next corners. </p>
<p>At some circuits, we can see some corners are just blatantly meaningless, as if it&#8217;s just for a corner&#8217;s sake. To make a race as exciting as possible, that is in one way increase the number of overtaking, we have to make as many corners as possible meet the requirements of a good corner design.</p>
<p>Car design also contribute some to this problem. Fundamentally, F1 cars are extremely dependent of aerodynamic downforce, which make them a lot slower at medium to high-speed corners when a car is racing right behind another car. The ironic part is it&#8217;s the situation where the cars are before they overtake. With the current design, it is highly difficult for them to overtake on those corners.</p>
<p>With a more overtaking-friendly design, such as splitting the rear wing into two parts and putting them right behind the rear wheels, it will increase the downforce available to cars right behind, thus increasing the probability of overtaking.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no engineer. I&#8217;m just an F1 fan, waiting for more exciting races.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brakes and aero-efficiency...
double the braking distances (smaller carbon brakes or steel brakes)

and limit the front and rear wing elements to 1 (and 2 for monaco and hungary)

the cars are generating between 200-300% more aero than 15 years ago... they go very fast by themselves but lose significant tenths when behind another car...

simplify the front wing and rear wing massively, have no limit as to how low the front wing can be and limit the height of the rear wing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brakes and aero-efficiency&#8230;<br />
double the braking distances (smaller carbon brakes or steel brakes)</p>
<p>and limit the front and rear wing elements to 1 (and 2 for monaco and hungary)</p>
<p>the cars are generating between 200-300% more aero than 15 years ago&#8230; they go very fast by themselves but lose significant tenths when behind another car&#8230;</p>
<p>simplify the front wing and rear wing massively, have no limit as to how low the front wing can be and limit the height of the rear wing</p>
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		<title>By: Maksutov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maksutov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very good point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very good point.</p>
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		<title>By: Maksutov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maksutov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I consider Webber’s safety stance a bit weird&lt;/blockquote&gt;

no</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I consider Webber’s safety stance a bit weird</p></blockquote>
<p>no</p>
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		<title>By: pSynrg</title>
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		<dc:creator>pSynrg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to tick &#039;No Opinion&#039; as there was no option for &quot;I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a problem.&quot;

Overtaking in F1 should be rare and exceptional. All the drivers have rare talent and exceptional skills, every now and then an overtake will occur. It&#039;s rarity is what makes it special!

F1 has never been any different. Show me any era of F1 when people were overtaking willy nilly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to tick &#8216;No Opinion&#8217; as there was no option for &#8220;I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>Overtaking in F1 should be rare and exceptional. All the drivers have rare talent and exceptional skills, every now and then an overtake will occur. It&#8217;s rarity is what makes it special!</p>
<p>F1 has never been any different. Show me any era of F1 when people were overtaking willy nilly.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The name Tilke makes my blood bubble so I&#039;ll say no more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name Tilke makes my blood bubble so I&#8217;ll say no more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: m0tion</title>
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		<dc:creator>m0tion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must be sounding like a broken record on this but ... F1 needs a standard wake performance test with a rig that must be able to be fitted temporarily to the back of each car.  Other aero restrictions could even be relaxed a bit because a clean wake is not easy to do whereas now the incentive is to create as dirty a wake as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be sounding like a broken record on this but &#8230; F1 needs a standard wake performance test with a rig that must be able to be fitted temporarily to the back of each car.  Other aero restrictions could even be relaxed a bit because a clean wake is not easy to do whereas now the incentive is to create as dirty a wake as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Gman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also chalk most of it up to car designs. In MotoGP I see some of the same circuits used by F1 producing great races with fantastic overtaking. Now I know kikes and cars are different animals, but still, it can&#039;t be all that different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also chalk most of it up to car designs. In MotoGP I see some of the same circuits used by F1 producing great races with fantastic overtaking. Now I know kikes and cars are different animals, but still, it can&#8217;t be all that different.</p>
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		<title>By: Gman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ehhh....pretty much the few years leading up to Schumi&#039;s arrival, as well as all of 2005....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ehhh&#8230;.pretty much the few years leading up to Schumi&#8217;s arrival, as well as all of 2005&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Harv's</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harv's</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree chimp. dont tighten the aero rules leave them as they are. the fia needs to loosen up the mechanical rules, there is no leway to introduce something new, and if you do the fia will ban it after two races, but the encourage it.

at the begining of the year they said &quot;we have tightened up the aero deveolpment so engineers can focus in making mechanical inventions to gain an advantage through mechanical thinking&quot; yet the only development we have seen this year is aero.

take mclarens brake steer, worked well, was safe but was banned because other teams didnt have it and it gave mclaren an unfair advantage. now how does that fit in with &quot;we want teams to develop new mechanical technologies&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree chimp. dont tighten the aero rules leave them as they are. the fia needs to loosen up the mechanical rules, there is no leway to introduce something new, and if you do the fia will ban it after two races, but the encourage it.</p>
<p>at the begining of the year they said &#8220;we have tightened up the aero deveolpment so engineers can focus in making mechanical inventions to gain an advantage through mechanical thinking&#8221; yet the only development we have seen this year is aero.</p>
<p>take mclarens brake steer, worked well, was safe but was banned because other teams didnt have it and it gave mclaren an unfair advantage. now how does that fit in with &#8220;we want teams to develop new mechanical technologies&#8221;</p>
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