Indian F1 track design revealed

2011 Indian F1 track design

2011 Indian F1 track design

India is set to host its first F1 Grand Prix in 2011 ?ǣ and here?s the first glimpse of the track where the race will take place.

The circuit in the Jaypee Greens Sports City bears the usual hallmarks of a Hermann Tilke-designed track. But from this first impression it seems to have some of the open, flowing corners that many modern tracks often lack.

It looks like a circuit in two halves, with several slow corners before and after the main start/finish straight. These are surely intended to increase opportunities for overtaking, something F1 car designers have been demanding recently.

But the other half of the track includes several longer-radius corners and some quick-looking bends. It?s impossible to get any sense of gradient from this flat map, however.

It is an unusually short track ?ǣ slightly under 5km (3.1 miles). That would make it shorter than any track on this year?s calendar bar the Circuit de Catalunya, Hungaroring, Interlagos and Monte-Carlo.

The circuit is being built by JP Associates which is part of a large industrial conglomerate called the Jaypee Group. The circuit is being built alongside the Yamuna Expressway, a new road being built to connect India’s capital New Delhi with the country’s biggest tourist destination, the Taj Mahal, in the city of Agra.

The road to the Indian Grand Prix has not been completely smooth. The race was originally slated for the 2010 F1 calendar but Bernie Ecclestone confirmed it had been moved back to 2011.

In August this year the government’s sports minister Manohar Singh Gill refused to support race promoter JPSK’s request for money to hold the race, claiming F1 is not a sport. Ecclestone dismissed the minister’s comments saying: “That’s his view. The rest of the world thinks it is a sport.”

What do you think of the 2011 Indian Grand Prix track?

Update: Someone posted an image with the likely location of the Jaypee circuit in the F1 Fanatic drop.io – I’m not sure who it was but thank you! There’s not much to see at the site right now, but here it is anyway:


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Thanks to Prisoner Monkeys for posting the link to the official site in the forum.

2011 Indian F1 track design (click to enlarge)

2011 Indian F1 track design (click to enlarge)

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93 comments on Indian F1 track design revealed

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  1. Ned Flanders said on 15th November 2009, 11:38

    Er… I’m not sure it was me who posted the link, I think it was Prisoner Monkeys. But thanks anyway!

  2. TommyB said on 15th November 2009, 11:39

    Very original

  3. mp4-19b said on 15th November 2009, 11:39

    Actually the credit goes to Prisoner Monkeys who started that thread.

    Nevertheless, the circuit looks a bit like Kyalami( Which I like) But without any elevation changes it might still be a bit boring.

    I have no idea as to the progress being made on the construction. Perhaps, fellow Indian Fanatics can help us out.

    But the satellite imagery(assuming its recent) suggests no activity there.

    Assuming the coordinates are correct.

    Don’t think it’ll be ready by 2011. New Delhi authorities have enough on their plates without having to think about Formula One. They are racing against time to be ready for the Commonwealth games next year.

    • Maksutov said on 15th November 2009, 16:47

      But without any elevation changes it might still be a bit boring.

      It looks as though the circuit has a few corners that might help with overtaking.. :/

      • mp4-19b said on 15th November 2009, 17:22

        Well, with some elevation data, I could try designing this track using Bob’s track builder.

        It looks OK to my eyes, but there is still scope for improvisation. One this is certain, the terrain there is very flat. So the elevation has to be induced artificially & its failed miserably in Bahrain,China & Abu Dubai.

        Its very unfair to write it off.

        The only one circuit I’ve written off even before its inception has to be that joke at Rome :P

    • sumedh said on 15th November 2009, 17:44

      Very true. Commonwealth games are more of a priority now.

      Plus, JAYPEE group are going to build a mall, a cricket stadium, a football stadium and a lot of other things in this piece of land. All other things will get priority over the F1 track.

    • gaurav said on 17th August 2010, 21:09

      it may get ready because its a diffrent state with diffrent government and the work is also going fast ..

  4. Not inspiring. Throw out rules and sack Tilke. I don’t blame him that much anymore but the rules are restricting and there’s only so much he can do at least a new designer would give a new feel and Tilke seems all out of steam.
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again I want new tracks which look like the love child of Spa and Monza. I want insane and for a designer to truly explore the depths of his imagination with investment in the track not just facilities and big glowing hotels. A good track is no guarantee of a good race but it brings passion, excitement and enthusiasm and is for true fans not just a luxurious holiday.

    • Prisoner Monkeys said on 15th November 2009, 11:59

      Okay, steph: design for me a circuit that is as exciting as you would like for it to be.

      • I couldn’t I would be useless and that isn’t my job to do that. But tracks can be built like Suzuka etc which blue your mind we just need rid of the rules. I actually like some Tilke. Bahrain, Turkey is ok and I like Singapore but many are dull and never get a chance because of tge rules. We need new tracks but we need them to be of the highest quality possible otherwise it’s a waste if time and money

        • Interesting to race on it and interesting to see overtaking and battles are two different things. Just look at Portimao – it is really an inspiring and challenging track with its rollercoaster-like ups and downs and extreme gradient changes. Unfortunatly, it has only one place for overtaking which we saw in GP2 season finals this year…

          It wasn’t made by Tilke.

  5. Prisoner Monkeys said on 15th November 2009, 12:05

    Personally, I don’t think it’s so much a circuit of two halves as it is a circuit of two thirds. There’s somthing missing: you’ve got the typical Tilke-ality down on the bottom section, but some nice-lookin variation across the top. An artificial hill like the ones in Abu Dhbi would go well there, but there’s something missing. Maybe because it looks like Tilke has sewn two parts that he had lying around together.

    I’m curious as to what the segmented red sections are. If I’m right and they’re grandstands, the top half of the circuit could be one of the best viewing experiences in Formula One.

    I also think the pits are on the northern side, were that long, unbroken bright red bar is. But you know what I’d realy like to see some day? A clockwise circuit where the first corner is a left-hander. I orked it out the othe day: only anti-clockwise circuits have left-handers as the first turn. The only exception is, bizzarely, Magny-Cours.

  6. HounslowBusGarage said on 15th November 2009, 12:09

    Are you sure it’s a Tilketrack?
    I agree it looks like one, particularly with a hairpin onto the back straight, followed by a hairpin off. And of course, there’s a hairpin onto the start/finish straight to make sure there’s no overtaking there either!
    @ MP4-19B. I wouldn’t trust the satellite imagery, it can be up to 5 years out of date.

  7. Ned Flanders said on 15th November 2009, 12:14

    Looks like yet another boring track by Herman the German. Why can’t he design a track with a loop the loop, or a jump over a canyon, or a rotating swing bridge or something like that?

  8. To me it seems promising. The upper half looks interesting. Of course gradients could make it even more interesting.

    • Accidental Mick said on 15th November 2009, 15:47

      Some of us were discusing how to improve Valencia.

      We came to the conclusion that a loop-the-loop like “Hot Wheels” toy cars used to have should be used instead of the bridge. After all, we keep being told that, with all the aero down force, F1 cars could drive across the ceiling. Lets see them prove it.

  9. Tilke does nothing on his own volition! The FIA, FOM and FOTA all have a say, not to talk of the local authorities. To bring all these interests to a track is not an easy task. So I do give Tilke some credits.

    The track itself looks good from the bird perspective (at least it will suit the MP4s ;-) ), but as noted by Keith, we do not know the elevations on the track, so we cannot say if the straight line is really flat. It does not change as compared to other tracks since they all have only one overtaking opportunity in them :-(

  10. It’s looks awful, boring and unimaginative.

  11. I’d add something on Tilke issue: there are some videos in Youtube showing him at Nurburgring, Nordshleife. He looks enthusiastic about Brunchen and some other wonderful bends and pieces of the track. You’d expect him to replicate some of those wonderful drawings in his tracks lay outs, and it doesn’t happen. It tells us that it’s not only Tilke stuff.
    If I was asked to design a track, I’d take some ideas from old tracks lay out, start replicating something (each of us can list a lot of wonderful track pieces we’re excited about) and then connect them at my best. Just to start…then you can let your mind fly free and being as innovative as you want.
    It make me think that Mr. Tilke is not that free!

    • I saw that clip, he surely is a petrolhead with passion for racing.

      However – simply mixing up the famous corners on a track doesn’t work – Magny Course did that and we all know what thrilling racing that approach produced.

  12. The thing that spins me out – not necessarily regarding this track, which looks ho-hum imho – is a few years ago F1 Racing mag did a piece on the ultimate track. They asked several current and ex drivers and the track would have been huge, a figure eight and it was at the time estimated to cost 500 million. Abu Daubi spent more than that on some boring monstrosity and India will probably do the same.

    The thing was that F1 Racing got Tilke to put all the corners together into something cohesive. Now I ask the question – why can’t that happen again?

    If it can’t, then how about this – make a track with a whopping great straight (which is the case in China, Catalunya, Bahrain, Abu Daubi etc) but then the infield is nice sweeping, constant radius corners instead of right angled point and squirt rubbish. The thing then would be to try as hard as possible for cars to compromise set ups – either go low downforce for the straight or high downforce for the infield.

    probably too simple an idea…

    • Agree. High speed corners, some aggressive gradients, a couple medium straights and a long loop would make an OMFG amazing track imo….!!! Imagine watching drivers trying to overtake on the long loop while they’re going at around 270 to 280kmph!

  13. So when this track is finished how many tracks on the F1 calendar will either be completely designed from scratch by Tilke or have had at least a redesign done by Tilke?

    I realise he is probably the preferred designer for the FIA and FOM so new countries may have to use him but, does he not have any competition for designing tracks.

    Also I know Tilke is constrained by the rules when designing tracks, so I would like to know what he would change about the rules to give himself more freedom, has anyone ever asked him this in an interview.

    • mp4-19b said on 15th November 2009, 13:04

      List of tracks allegedly “molested” by Mr Tilke.

      Sepang International Circuit, Malaysia
      Bahrain International Circuit, Bahrain
      Shanghai International Circuit, China
      Istanbul Racing Circuit, Turkey
      Cancun, Mexico *Undeveloped
      Beijing International Street circuit, China
      Marina Bay Street Circuit, Singapore
      Bucharest Ring, Romania
      Valencia Street Circuit, Spain
      Jakarta Street Circuit, Indonesia
      Yas Island Circuit, Abu Dhabi-United Arab Emirates
      Cape Town Grand Prix, South Africa
      Dublin Street Circuit, Ireland[citation needed]
      Korean International Circuit, South Korea (under construction)
      Moscow Raceway, Russia (Planned MotoGP Venue)
      Kazakhstan Motor City, Republic of Kazakhstan
      Jaypee Group Circuit, Greater Noida, India (under construction)
      International Circuit Simón Bolívar, Venezuela

      Add to it

      Nurburgring(Ist sector micky mouse)
      Osterreichring(converted to A1-ring)
      Spa(bus stop)
      Hockenheimring :( :( :( (raped it)
      Circuit de catalunya(last corner)
      Hungaroring
      Magny-Cours(Last Chicane)

      Add any if missed.

      You can vent out your anger towards Tilke tracks HERE

      • mp4-19b said on 15th November 2009, 13:31

        Kazakhstan Motor City, Republic of Kazakhstan

        Could Borat be the brand ambassador that track? :P

        • mp4-19b said on 15th November 2009, 13:36

          Wow! Their OFFICIAL WEBSITE is pretty informative. And TRACK itself is very interesting. Has at least seven variations & resembles an inverted gun.

          • Ned Flanders said on 15th November 2009, 13:45

            I love how they’ve used google translate for the English version of the website:

            Kazakhstan is considered fairly as a pearl of the Central Asia

            In particular, we should mention the exceptionally comfortable configuration of the track: good field of view for audience and many overtaking opportunities for road racers

          • mp4-19b said on 15th November 2009, 13:54

            Add to that”

            In 2009 in Kazakhstan will be started constructionn of unique sports-entertaining сountry resort, that includes world level race track

            The complex will settle down on 169 hectares of the ground – except for the racing track, complex will include not less grandiose Park of Family Entertainments. In opinion of the head of project “Kazakhstan MotorCity”, in the project it will be invested nearby 300 million US dollars.

            The architect of racing lines of world size is engaged in designing of a complex – Herman Tilke. Mister Tilke – the person-brand, one of the most recognized persons in the world of motor racing. It is important to note, that all projects of Tilke automatically pass certification FIA (the International automobile federation).

            That is a very important point they mention!!

            In the concept of the project – family and motor racing, education of the future champions and a healthy way of life of kazakhstani people. Plans of “Kazakhstan MotorCity ” are arrogant – to revive and unite practically all kinds of auto- and motorcycle sport in Kazakhstan

            arrogant??

            Epic Translation Fail!! :P

      • Nurburgring(Ist sector micky mouse)
        Osterreichring(converted to A1-ring)
        Spa(bus stop)
        Hockenheimring (raped it)
        Circuit de catalunya(last corner)
        Hungaroring
        Magny-Cours(Last Chicane)

        These were all very pointless changes, and provided no real difference to the racing.

        Hockenheim is now just a boring sea of grey dreary tarmac and A-1 Ring is a pile of crap aswell.

      • steph90 said on 15th November 2009, 13:46

        I can name a few more tracks but I’ll have to check if it was Tilke who changed them.

      • luigismen said on 15th November 2009, 17:46

        International Circuit Simón Bolívar, Venezuela??? really???!
        I’m venezuelan, and i didn’t know that this track even exist

      • zomtec said on 16th November 2009, 17:08

        last time: singapore is not tilke´s work.

  14. it looks more like the bahrain circuit

  15. Fer no.65 said on 15th November 2009, 14:03

    I guess Tilke has run out of ideas.

    This track is exactly like the others. And it seriously lacks high speed corners.

    • sato113 said on 16th November 2009, 0:24

      why can we see any banked corners anymore??? i’m not talking about massive Indianapolis ones either.

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