Sauber takes Toyota’s place on 2010 grid

BMW wave goodbye but they'll return in 2010 as Sauber

BMW wave goodbye but they'll return in 2010 as Sauber

The FIA has confirmed Sauber will be granted the 13th slot on the 2010 F1 grid after it was left vacant by departing rivals Toyota.

Although the team have officially competed as ‘BMW-Sauber’ for the past four years, this confirms the return of Sauber as an independent outfit in F1, last seen in 2005.

Sauber still have to sign the Concorde Agreement which will guarantee their space on the grid.

It remains to be seen if Toyota will have to pay a fine to the FIA for leaving the sport despite having committed to it until 2012.

Sauber have been tipped to use Ferrari engines next year, as they did in F1 from 1997-2005, during which time they were badged Petronas.

However hopes for a full 13-team grid may yet be dashed as Renault have not confirmed their participation in 2010.

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61 comments on Sauber takes Toyota’s place on 2010 grid

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  1. Salut Gilles said on 3rd December 2009, 17:17

    Good stuff. Looks like we may be approaching the second age of the privateer, especially with the Dave Richards/Renault rumours.

    Superficially, I hope Sauber comes up with a great new livery. Something yellow perhaps?

    • Maciek said on 3rd December 2009, 17:56

      The second age of the privateer. Nice. I like that. Sounds like something we may eventually remember these transformations for ushering in.

    • Ned Flanders said on 3rd December 2009, 19:45

      It’s crazy how quickly F1 has been transformed over the last few months. If someone had of told me this time last year that 3/ 4 manufacturers would quit and that there would be 6/ 7 new teams by 2010, I’d have thought they were mad

    • Sauber should go back to their original black and white. Would looks very classy. Excellent news to hear they’ll be on the grid again next season!

  2. steph said on 3rd December 2009, 17:20

    I think Prodrive will buy Renault. Renault will hang on to engines (I can’t see them leaving f1 permanently as they could never do it before) and then few years maybe Aston Martin will be the name?
    As for Sauber if they do use Ferrari power does this mean in 2011 they could train Bianchi up for the Italian marque?
    Koby could go to Sauber. Toyota could have stopped them getting a slot by selling but they haven’t.
    Will Nick stay with Sauber?
    Robert Kubica-stay with Renault or whoever they become or go for Mercedes drive and fight Nick for the seat?

    • Harvs said on 5th December 2009, 18:41

      mmm i would love to see prodrive in f1, but i also want renault to stay. if i had to choose one of them it would have to be prodrive i just think renault are too much damaged goods after crash-gate.

      interesting though that prodrive havnt been let in already by the fia, they could be considered a manufacturer with links to aston martin etc, yet they do not have a grid spot. yet.

  3. Good news…

  4. Are they getting #’s 26-27?

    • James said on 3rd December 2009, 19:26

      They should do. If Renault pull out and a new team replace Renault, then I believe that new team will then get 28-29 on their cars.

      • Prisoner Monkeys said on 3rd December 2009, 21:44

        No, if Renault pull out, they will get the 26 and27. Force India will get their numbers – the 11 and 12 – and everyone else ill moev up two numbers (with the possible exception of Campos, who mayretain the 21 for sponsor purposes). We’ve been over this: the only reason there was no 18 and 19 this season was because Honda pulled out very late, and by the time numbers were assigned, Force India had already ordered merchandise with the numbers 20 and 21. As Brawn were a new team and had no rights to the 18 and 19, they were given the 22 and 23 instead.

        • They may get lower numbers assigned as they aren’t a new team…. However as they are past the official submission date the likelihood is that voids them from being able to demand the numbers they would have originally got.

          • (numbers 9 and 10 I believe)

          • Chalky said on 3rd December 2009, 22:33

            Great news to see Sauber and 13 teams in F1.

            Hope they tell us soon about the car numbers, as car 22 has won the WDC the last 2 years.

            At the moment US F1 have car 22. Might be a good omen for them?

          • Prisoner Monkeys said on 3rd December 2009, 23:29

            (numbers 9 and 10 I believe)

            No, thos are Williams’ numbers. Renault currently have the 11 and 12.

  5. I am glad that Sauber will be on the grid next year, while I wouldn’t class myself as a fan of Sauber I prefer them to be on the grid rather than a completely new team or someone else who had bought Toyota.

  6. JUGNU said on 3rd December 2009, 17:39

    I notice some differnces in the way how BMW and Toyota quit F1.

    Toyota promised at the start of the year, that they will score their first F1 win or will quit .

    Toyota had hope of winning (and securing the team’s future) till the very last race, i think they would have stayed if they scored their first win as they were openly talking to top drivers like kubica and raikkenon till the last minute, continusly denying they will quit and saying it’s normal for the budget to be signed so late and also signed concorde agreement.

    All this indicate that the team wanted to stay and that first win was the only barrier which prevented.

    BMW on other hand did nothing like this, they never promised about winning titles but Mario thiessen just said that naturally after doing very good last year, titles should be their target for 2009 but it’s not like if they didn’t manage to win championships they will quit. Also they knew very early and made a solid decision to pull out as the road car division is doing very bad. They didn’t indulge in new driver talks and signings and didn’t sign the concorde agreement.

    I am sad for the World’s biggest and richest car company, Toyota even after spending so much in F1 they will be remembered as failures, to add insult to injury might even get a big fine on their way out. There are big lessons to be learned from Toyota’s F1 program and i am sure the clever people of F1 have learned many. One clear lesson is driver counts for a lot. Top driver does make big differences.

  7. Ciaran said on 3rd December 2009, 17:46

    Great news. Salut Gilles- I’d love to see it back again.

    • Dingle Dell said on 3rd December 2009, 18:09

      yea, Salut Gilles. I would love to see #27 return to F1 again. Hopefully Jacques will return to F1 as well, seems to be Lotus.

  8. ILoveVettel said on 3rd December 2009, 17:51

    Renault are having a meeting over their f1 future as per autosport. Let us see the outcome of the meeting.

  9. Bartholomew said on 3rd December 2009, 18:03

    This is great news !!! cheers

  10. theRoswellite said on 3rd December 2009, 18:30

    Great news for F1 fans.

    The Sauber team seems to have new life, and we may see Richards finally returning to the grid. Now all we need is to hear some good news about Silverstone.

  11. ccolanto said on 3rd December 2009, 18:34


    • Ned Flanders said on 3rd December 2009, 20:15

      Good news, but I must admit a part of me is slighty disapointed- I was hoping Stefan GP would make the grid. They have the makings of the most incompetent team since Andrea Moda

      • Prisoner Monkeys said on 3rd December 2009, 23:39

        That’s true, but the problem with an incompetent team would be that it would ruin the careers of potentially good drivers since you need to ave at least a little skill to be at the point where a Formua 1 team will consider you these days.

        Tht said, the likes of Nelson Piquet and Andy Soucek have already ruined their own carers, so they’d be the ideal choices for Stefan.

  12. verstappen said on 3rd December 2009, 18:53

    and still hoping here that indeed renault will stay (maybe as prodrive and engine supplier).. and toyota will be taken over and granted a 14th slot!

    107% rule back and here we go!!

  13. Ned Flanders said on 3rd December 2009, 19:40

    Will Sauber the first team to ‘quit’ F1 then return a few years later? And I mean the same team, not the same name- Lotus and Renault don’t count

    • March – fielded cars in one form or another from 1970-1977, sort of returned for 1981-82, returned properly in 1987 before selling to title sponsor Leyton House and collapsing at the end of 1992.

  14. Wesley said on 3rd December 2009, 19:50


  15. Marrc said on 3rd December 2009, 20:01

    great to see a team we didnt expect to come back. More the fun and better the raceing mid and low end of grid :) BMW/sauber where always top and mid.

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