Sauber takes Toyota’s place on 2010 grid

BMW wave goodbye but they'll return in 2010 as Sauber

BMW wave goodbye but they'll return in 2010 as Sauber

The FIA has confirmed Sauber will be granted the 13th slot on the 2010 F1 grid after it was left vacant by departing rivals Toyota.

Although the team have officially competed as ‘BMW-Sauber’ for the past four years, this confirms the return of Sauber as an independent outfit in F1, last seen in 2005.

Sauber still have to sign the Concorde Agreement which will guarantee their space on the grid.

It remains to be seen if Toyota will have to pay a fine to the FIA for leaving the sport despite having committed to it until 2012.

Sauber have been tipped to use Ferrari engines next year, as they did in F1 from 1997-2005, during which time they were badged Petronas.

However hopes for a full 13-team grid may yet be dashed as Renault have not confirmed their participation in 2010.

Read more: 2010 F1 drivers and teams

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61 comments on Sauber takes Toyota’s place on 2010 grid

  1. Perfect time to bring this up again:

    a petition to number ten to make F1 a protected sport within the UK.

    • Considering how much the BBC paid for it this time round its hardly needs protecting, didn’t they offer more than double what ITV offered.

      You should be petitioning the BBC SHOULD pay for it, as the number of viewers make it completely viable. It is not the governments job to control TV – that is the very reason why the BBC is independent.

      I am all for scrapping the TV license and instead offering BBC as a subscription. So many of us just do not care for the junk they pump out these days. The couple of shows I could happily live without and would rather spend the money on programs I do want to watch.

      • the BBC contract is 5 years so we have a while before panic sets in anyway

      • We are also the only country that gets all practice sessions and qualifying and race for “free” live on TV. So it’s not that much doom and gloom. I’m happy to pay the license fee while we still get F1, England football matches (including World Cup) and a few comedy programs.

        10% of the BBC license fee covers moving to digital so actually funds the extra free channels. Also the license fee indirectly funds Channel 4 partially.

        BBC Radio and the BBC site again all funded by the license, including iPlayer.

        Maybe its not such a bad deal after all!

        A lot of people “moan” including myself because they do not watch much BBC on TV – just because the TV is the item that hands legal requirement for requiring a TV license its only a fraction of what it pays for. And if it was scrapped it would not only be TV that disappears.

  2. Anyone know who the drivers might be?

  3. Icthyes said on 3rd December 2009, 21:24

    Glad to see Sauber back :)

    Hopefully Dave Richards will take over Renault now. I’m not anti-manufacturer, but with Honda, BMW, and Toyota, they seemed to lack a bit of soul that somehow McLaren and Ferrari seemed to maintain. Maybe it’s because both started as privateers and evolved into (at different stages, though) manufacturers, rather than being bought out by them.

  4. teeb123456789 said on 3rd December 2009, 21:40

    Is this the same as how Brawn has changed to Mercedes GP? So, basically all the pit crew etc will still be the same so there won’t be any redundancies etc?

    • Their is still big restructuring – I think about 1/3rd of the team is to go. But it is essentially the same team under new ownership.

      The main reason (to my understanding) this often happens (even when its less simple than this, and much more drastic in changes) is it means they do not have to make any massive down payment as a “new” team to F1, instead it is just classed as a name change / ownership change.

  5. Another construction champion on da makin?? lol

  6. wasiF1 said on 4th December 2009, 1:38

    Sauber will run Ferrari engine behind them.There are rumours that David Richards’ Prodrive organisation are poised to acquire Renault’s F1 team.Renault will supply engines through to the end of the 2012 season & part of the deal with Prodrive would see the Banbury-based company use Renault engines.

    I hope Toyota manages a slot on the grid.

    • Prisoner Monkeys said on 4th December 2009, 1:52

      Toyota aren’t coming back, wasi. They wouldn’t have withdrwn in the first place if that were the case. And they can’t come back now – Sauber have their grid slot. Given the way they backed out of the championship after signing the Concorde Agreement, I doubt the FIA would be too enthusiastic about letting them back in.

  7. manatcna said on 4th December 2009, 1:54

    I’m sorry, but I don’t understand.

    What’s so good about Dave Richard?

    • Prisoner Monkeys said on 4th December 2009, 2:54

      Dave Richards runs Prodrive, one of the msot successful racing teams in multiple categories. It was Prodrive that ran the Subaru Imprezas in rallying in the 1990s, Prodirve who have fielded successful Le Mans teams and Prodrive who have cometed in the BTCC. They are one of the largest and most successful racing teams in the world that have yet to compete in Formula One.

    • Dougie said on 5th December 2009, 12:40

      …and don’t forget that before Brawn, BAR/Hondas most successful years were under Dave Richards, especially 2004.

  8. manatcna said on 4th December 2009, 2:19

    And another thing, why BMW Sauber?

    • Prisoner Monkeys said on 4th December 2009, 2:55

      BMW purchased Sauber at the end of the 2005 season and stylised the team as their own. They retained the Sauber name out of respect for the team they had purchased. But BMW are now withdrawing, and the team as been sold back to Peter Sauber, the man who started it all.

    • GeeMac said on 4th December 2009, 8:29

      They did the same thing when the were Williams’ partners. “BMW.Williams F1 team” if I’m not mistaken.

      • James_mc said on 5th December 2009, 15:35

        I’m pretty sure it was Williams-BMW in standard chassis-engine designation and BMW bought out Sauber as they wanted a bigger say in how their F1 interests were run. Unsurprisingly Frank Williams was having none of it!

        • The official name of Williams was BMW.Williams for at least some of the seasons they were with BMW if not for the whole time, the same way that a title sponsor often gets their name before the teams, such as AT&T Williams in 2009. My understanding is that BMW had to pay Williams quite a bit to get their name first.

          One of the reasons BMW ended their relationship with Williams was because they wanted more say in the running of the team and to buy at least a part of the team like Mercedes did with McLaren.

  9. Congrats Sauber folks. Good to see that the team is alive. Wish you all the very best.

    This is what I don’t like about the manufacturers. They buy a team and and they pull out as if trashing a piece of paper leaving a good teams and careers of good talents to rot. I hope Mercedes don’t do a BMW act later. I guess any group whose primary business is not racing and who comes to F1 racing for the fancy and commercial gains of it should have a very strict entry and exit clauses. Today they just pull the plug so easily. That should not be allowed. This is damaging the sport, morale of those brilliant engineers and last but not the least drivers and the fans.

  10. Now, we will again get to see blue/yellow cars with a big PETRONAS written all over it. What about Heidfield ? Sauber or Merc ?

  11. GeeMac said on 4th December 2009, 6:46

    That is great news.

    Heidfeld and Klein to drive for Sauber next year?

  12. I want Kobayashi to join Heidfield in Sauber. This ll give them a potent competition of having a solid driver who will bring the car home with some points and an attacking driver to go for podiums….

  13. besame mucho said on 4th December 2009, 13:03

    @Prisoner Monkeys

    i am a fan of stefan gp,
    and one of these days i will find you and brake your flegs for telling lies on forums about sgp you ignorant MF.
    mark my words

  14. I just came from a holiday party where a well connected source (connections confirmed) said that Sauber will sign Heidfeld and Vitaly Petrov. Remember that Sauber said earlier this week that Petrov would be a very attractive option for them. And then its natural to sign Nick for the continuity and experience.

  15. The Sri Lankan said on 5th December 2009, 2:08

    i hope toyota get another shot and FIA drop this 14th slot nonesense. the more the merrier

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