FIA confirms new points system in 2010

Posted on | Author Keith Collantine

Trulli would move up to seventh in 2009 using the new 2010 F1 points
Trulli would move up to seventh in 2009 using the new 2010 F1 points

The new points system which was surprisingly proposed by the F1 Commssion yesterday will be used in F1 in 2010. A statement from the FIA read:

Due to the expanded grid of 13 teams, and further to the recommendation of the F1 Commission, a new points system will be in place for the 2010 season.

As discussed yesterday, the new system extends the points down to tenth place without changing the relative value of finishing first, second or third.

Other questionable changes include how the points scale increases unevenly, with a two-point jump from eighth to seventh, but only a one-point gap between seventh and sixth.

It has all the hallmarks of an ill-conceived and hastily-taken decision. If only the FIA had taken time to read the lukewarm response the proposal received here yesterday, with less than one-third of fans calling it an improvement:

Read more: Race winners could get 25 points in 2010

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  1. I can understand the need to extend the points down to 10th with the expansion of the grid, but 20 compared to 25 is the same percentage as 8 was to 10, so it hasn’t addressed the issue of giving more reward to winning at all. I’m all for changing the points system but only if it addresses all the issues, which this doesn’t seem to do.

    1. Dan it is such a hasty decision! we are not used to this in F1 at all. It is absolutely bizarre how a decision like this that directly affects the whole sport can be made in such a rushed and amateur fashion

  2. HounslowBusGarage
    11th December 2009, 15:37

    Do you think FOTA were consulted?

    1. I’m sorry to tell you, but the decision was made by the F1 Comission in which FOTA is heavily involved.
      This decision was basically made by the teams.

      1. I still can’t believe such a massive shake-up of the points system has actually happened… but if the teams are all for it, I trust their opinions over my own.

        1. This shake-up is not massive at all, as Keith’s article yesterday showed. It hardly changes anything at all.

  3. if they wanted to expand the points down to 10th, they could have done it very easily. 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 and there you go, top ten drivers.

    1. I hate the new system but im afraid your idea is worse the winner only getting 3 more points than 4th would be massively devaluing a win

      1. I know, but I don’t like the idea of someone running away with the points. I want every race and every point to mean something. The last race of the year should be the most heart pounding one of the year instead of just a parade.

        1. Have you been under a rock for the last 5 GP finales?

  4. Ridiculous!

    If they wanted to keep the ratios, but extend the amount of drivers that got points, they should have used 15-12-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1

    And this is even without mentioning the historical disruption this will result in…

    1. Your suggestion looks pretty good.

      It does look like another badly thought through change. Another fiddle with the sport we love that will no doubt mess up the history books, not work in the races and get changed 2 years down the road.

      Football fans are so lucky…their rules get left alone and they can get on with just enjoying the sport!

    2. I agree that was the suggestion I did

    3. I very nearly agree – I’d do this but have 16 for a win.


      Second gets 75% of the winner’s points, so you have increased the value of the win.

      1. The new points are stupid!
        it shoule be either…
        1) 15-12-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1
        2) 12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

        I’m very dissapointed with the news and hope it changes back at some point before march!

        1. The ’15-12-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1′ system Ed suggested sounds a lot more desireable to me than the actually adopted system.

          1. I think this is the method they use in the BTCC and maybe the WTCC,
            Anyway 2009 BTCC chamionship went down to the last race with a choice of three drivers that could of won it,
            So i’d of preferred this system but oh well

  5. Wow this was quick… usually they take weeks and months to make these decisions!

    1. That is the FIA specialty! They make wrong decisions quickly.

      1. Yeah, this is undoubtedly the worst decision they’ve made in years.

      2. In F1 you have to be quick :)

        It’s not final, an appeal is possible before the new season starts.

      3. A good revision to this:


        The top three finisher will truly have a ladder points to it.

        1. that is a stupid points system Anonymous! the reward for first is too high!

          if a driver hads the win to his team mate then an extra ten points (the same amount as thrid) is way over the top.

          Im very very DISAPOINTED with this new points system. F1 points are less valuable now individulally,

          if you finished 10 for all races you wouldnt even get the same amount of points as a guy who won one race and then crashed into the wall for the other 17.

          Hardly seems fair

          1. If you finished 10th last year you would be behind too.

  6. The WMSC statement didn’t actually confirm the points allocated for each position, merely confirmed that the top ten will be allocated points next year. Am guessing that the rogue 7th place will be corrected.

  7. 10-6-4-3-2-1

    Nuff said!

    1. Why not suggest 8-6-4-3-2 and 1 for fastest lap, like in the good old times of 1950??? Or adopt the points system of the 1930s????

    2. I hated that system, when it was in place.

    3. Yep…… keep it simple.

      This is all manipulation by Ecclestone, aided and abetted by the team principals to try to give the impression to people who don’t understand the subtleties of F1 that there are no losers. Thereby conning sponsors into spending more money ‘because our guy is in with a chance’.

      When in reality he probably hasn’t a hope in hell of a podium or anything of value.

  8. That 7th place thing is just crazy…. It just does not folow any pattern….

    1. Indeed. Very, very silly.

  9. There’s still plenty of time to change it. Remember earlier this year:
    17 March: Medals introduced, driver with most wins is World Champion.
    25 March: Old system brought back.
    29 March: Australian Grand Prix.

    1. Dont forget that the medals system was universally hated, while this new points system has more support behind it.

  10. Overall this makes sense as there will be more cars on the grid, but they do need to sort out that 7th place oddity. Like Bullfrog says above, there’s still plenty of time.

  11. oh goodness, let’s not even mention history, and the disruption to driver career points tally sheets. There have been many changes in the last 20 years that make career points a joke in driver comparisons. This one really doesn’t make the joke any bigger.

    I think with a larger grid, an alteration to the points system may have been in order. However, this appears to be a hasty and ill-thought change. It leaves the percentages fairly intact while simply increasing the numbers to facilitate points further down the grid, without placing an additional emphasis on finishing first. So basically it is no change at all, unless you are a team that regularly finished close to but out of the points last season, as this coming season you prolly will get some points.

    As we do not and will not ever know the intent of FiA in this change, it is either a total success, or a colossal mistake. But only FiA can judge the result.

    In another section of comments on articles, I answered a few postings with some thoughts of my own, and while these things are now a few hours old, I’ll post them again here, as I believe they are still relevant.


    ” My first year watching Jochen Rindt won with 45 points. As much as I love this sport I hate to see the sideshow it is becoming.”-Rampante

    All too true, my friend. It’s less and less about the racing, isn’t it?

    “Why does F1 have to constantly fiddle and change rules and regulations between seasons?”-CRM

    Same answer as to the question why do dogs lick their b0ll0cks? Answer: Because they can.

    “Well, there is at least some good news about the new system. If you don’t like it, you won’t have to wait long till the FIA changes it again.”-theRoswellite

    Yes, I’d give this one, should it get voted in, a very short life.

    “The proposed points system is like painting an elephant black and yellow to make it look like a bee.”-Ariel

    This is by far the best line I’ve seen in a comment here. And VERY true. Keith, can we have an award for ‘Comment of the Month’ ? I’ll nominate Ariel right now.

    “All this talk about drivers needing more incentive to win is absolute rubbish.
    Keep in mind that the issue keeps being raised by Ecclestone who failed as an F1 driver.”-Accidental Mick

    Now, now, Mick, let’s be accurate about this. In truth, Bernie failed more as an F1 Qualifier than race driver. (Tongue planted firmly in cheek. )

    And last of all, a word to FiA, as though they’d read this or even consider my remarks, but heck it makes me feel better. I see in the FiA statement (Keith’s link in the article) that a new sub-committee, the Sporting Working Group, has been created within the newly re-formed F1 Commission. The SWG mandate is to “improve the show”. I can’t WAIT to see what this brings. I can only imagine they are sending out even now for some black and yellow paint, specially if the vote is “Yea” on the new points schedule.

    FiA, please remember, it is supposed to be about the racing. Not the “Show” or the “Spectacle” ….. heck, we could have teams of miniature ponies with their tails & manes dyed in team colors and great tall plumes as head-dresses tow the cars to the grid, and that would certainly be show and spectacle. But remember, at long last, it is supposed to be about the SPORT, about the RACING. I have been following Formula 1 since there WAS such a thing, went to my first F1 race at Silversone in ‘56, and some of the things I’ve seen in F1 recently have truly brought tears to my eyes. FiA, or F1 Commission, whichever is to actually run the sport now, please remember it was, is, and always should be about the racing. Not the multi-million dollar hospitality suites(ya listening, Bernie?), or the exotic locales, or even about the historic tracks cause even the best history on a dull track brings a bad race. Please keep in mind that you should take premier care of the racing, and everything else will take care of itself.

    Rant over, thanks for reading. And those of you napping can wake up now.

    1. dsob, your comment is music to my ears. You just summed everything perfectly. But if you want to emphasise a word, useitalics! Sorry, I’m a grammar Nazi :)

    2. Heh. Glad you liked my analogy. I totally agree with you, F1 should be about racing, first and foremost; all the other stuff should just be a plus, never a replacement.

      1. No no no ….. I like elephants painted to look like bees….LOL !!!

        Bloody brilliant Ariel !

    3. This is by far the best line I’ve seen in a comment here. And VERY true. Keith, can we have an award for ‘Comment of the Month’ ? I’ll nominate Ariel right now.

      Agree on the “comment of the month award”, but for this case, my vote goes for your comment, dsob.

  12. I didn’t like the new system,they should at least look at some blogs to see what the fans then approve it.

  13. In other changes agreed for 2010, experienced former F1 drivers will assist a panel of permanent race stewards at all Grands Prix.
    Any guess who are those driver’s?

  14. I think it was a good idea to extend the range down to 10th place, but the sequencing, especially the large gap between the first three positions and the rest, seems somewhat overdone to me. It’ll be interesting to see how this influences the competition next year.

  15. I agree with the 7th place points. It will make 8th want 7th, and 6th want 5th, rather than settling for what they are on (as a few people have mentioned will happen).

  16. though I disagree with the percentages of 1st:2nd:3rd.

  17. The points thing is only a ruse….did anyone else hear about the “FIA World Championship Commissioners” and the “FIA F1 Ambassabors”? Sounds like Max has a new job already waiting for him…

    And all this is after DiMonte announces he’s stepping down from FOTA…

  18. I can live with it but they’ve got to change 7th place to four points, as Keith says. The gaps have always increased as you go up the order, not see-sawed.

  19. While I am not in favour I thought they would have at least corrected the problem with seventh and eighth places.

    It all seems a bit rushed to me, the first suggestion they would make a change like this was yesterday and now it is already confirmed, last year when Ecclestone and the FIA tried to introduce medals it seemed to be rumoured for quite a while before they said a medals system would be used, although they obviously had to back down a week before the season started, this time everyone seems have agreed on it without any dissenting voices.

  20. This is broadly a non-issue. It’ll mess up some points-based records, but those aren’t important anyway because points are only a means to various ends (championship positions) and not the end in itself. So it’s scaled a little bit and the tail is extended to accommodate the larger number of entries. It’s good to see very little time was wasted by the FIA on this non-issue. As long as this points system remains fixed, well-understood, and applied fairly from the beginning through the season end, it’s all good.

    The more important decision is with regards to the race stewards – the introduction of ex-racing drivers and permanent stewards is a laudable step by the FIA and Todt.

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