Think the new F1 points system is weird? We’ve seen much stranger

2010 F1 season

First man to the champagne gets 15 points more next year

First man to the champagne gets 15 points more next year

The new F1 points system, which will give 25 points for a win next year, has provoked much debate and criticism.

Points in F1 have produced strange situations in the past. At one race seven drivers shared a single point. Other drivers have found themselves unable to score points in a race due to a quirk of the rules. And two drivers failed to win world championships despite scoring the most points during a season.

The new points system may not be perfect, but it’s certainly an improvement on what we had before. Here’s how the points system has changed over the years.

1950: Top five score, eight for a win

Position Points
1 8
2 6
3 4
4 3
5 2

The driver who set fastest lap during the race scored an extra point

The first F1 race winners got eight points – equal to what second place has been worth since 2003. Next year drivers will get eight points for finishing fifth.

Attempting to give a point to the driver who set the fastest lap was thwarted by 1950s lap timing technology. At the 1954 British Grand Prix seven drivers were credited with the best lap time of 1’50, the timekeepers being unable to measure their lap time any more accurately.

So the single point was shared between Alberto Ascari, Jean Behra, Juan Manuel Fangio, Froilan Gonzalez, Mike Hawthorn, Onofre Marimon and Stirling Moss. Each got one-seventh (0.14) of a point.

1958: No sharing

Up until 1958, drivers who shared their car with another driver also shared the points scored. And if a driver drove in more than one car which scored points, he accumulated each points finish.

This made for some complicated calculations. For example, in the searing-hot 1955 Argentinian Grand Prix Giuseppe Farina and Maurice Trintignant both drove in the cars which finished second and third, each time with a different third driver. So they each scored one-third of the second place points plus one-third of the third-place points, totalling three-and-a-third.

Thankfully they put a stop to this in 1958. From then on a driver could only score points for completing the entire race distance himself, as it’s been ever since.

1960: Top six score

Position Points
1 8
2 6
3 4
4 3
5 2
6 1

Points were extended to sixth place in 1960. This was also the year when the point for fastest lap was dropped.

1961: Nine points for a win

Position Points
1 9
2 6
3 4
4 3
5 2
6 1

The value of a win was increased to nine points in 1961, and the points distribution remained unchanged until 1990. This was the longest period of stability in the F1 points system.

1991: Ten points for a win, every race counts

Ayrton Senna scored the first ten-point win in 1991

Ayrton Senna scored the first ten-point win in 1991

Position Points
1 10
2 6
3 4
4 3
5 2
6 1

Thought of by many as the best points system F1 had, the value of a win went up to ten points in 1991. Ayrton Senna won the first four ten-pointers on the trot.

This is the high-watermark for the value of winning in F1. At this point a win was worth 66% more than second place. Today it is worth just 25% more and that will remain the same in 2010 with the new points system.

The 1991 season also saw the dropping of the “best results count” rule – more on that below.

2003: Points down to eighth

Position Points
1 10
2 8
3 6
4 5
5 4
6 3
7 2
8 1

In 2002 Michael Schumacher set a new record for the earliest a world championship had ever been decided. He sealed the title in the French Grand Prix on July 21st, with six rounds to spare.

The new points system introduced in 2003 was clearly designed to stop that happening again as it slashed the relative value of a win compared to second place. Despite that, two years later Schumacher was able to wrap up the title four rounds before the end of the season.

The “best results count” rule

Alain Prost scored more points but lost the title in 1988

Alain Prost scored more points but lost the title in 1988

Before 1991 drivers could only count their best points scores from a limited number of races. For example in 1990 of the 16 races on the calendar a driver could only count his 11 best scores.

The number of races counting varied with the calendar. At first it was close to half, then in the late sixties the number of races counted increased to around 80% of the calendar. That trend was abruptly reversed in 1979, and for much of the eighties a pattern developed: 16 races, best 11 scores counted. The chart below shows the details for each season the “best results count” rule was used.

Race results counted and dropped, 1950-1990 (click to enlarge)

Race results counted and dropped, 1950-1990 (click to enlarge)

The “best results count” rule tends to colour our view of previous champions. For example both Alberto Ascari’s championship wins were far more emphatic than the official points standings suggested:


Position Driver Total points Points dropped Actual points
1 Alberto Ascari 36 17.5 53.5
2 Giuseppe Farina 24 3 27


Position Driver Total points Points dropped Actual points
1 Alberto Ascari 34.5 12.5 47
2 Juan Manuel Fangio 27.5 1.5 29

There are other examples similar to Ascari’s. The best-remembered details about Mike Hawthorn’s 1958 championship win are that he only won once and beat Stirling Moss by a single point. The fact he lost three separate scores worth seven points, while Moss kept all his scores, tends to get overlooked.

The most famous examples of this concern drivers who ‘lost’ championships because of the “best results count” rules. This happened on two occasions. In 1964 Graham Hill lost to John Surtees by a single point. While Surtees kept all his scores, Hill had two deducted.

And in 1988 Ayrton Senna beat Alain Prost 90-87. But Prost had a mammoth 18 points deducted to Senna’s four. Debate still rages over the ‘fairness’ of the system. I’ll let you sort that one out in the comments! Their points-scoring finishing positions that year were as follows:

Finishing position Ayrton Senna Alain Prost
1 8 7
2 3 7
3 0 0
4 1 0
5 0 0
6 1 0

The “best results count” rule was dropped at the end of 1990. This has definitely been an improvement – it has certainly made championship-deciders easier to follow.

Splitting the season

Alan Jones couldn't score any more points after his 1979 Montreal win

Alan Jones couldn't score any more points after his 1979 Montreal win

As if the “best results count” rule wasn’t complicated enough, for 14 years the championship was effectively split into two. Drivers could only score points in a certain number of races in the first and second halves of the season. Here’s how they were shared out:

1967: Five from the first six and four from the last five
1968: Five from the first six and five from the last six
1969: Five from the first six and four from the last five
1970: Six from the first seven and five from the last six
1971: Five from the first six and four from the last five
1972: Five from the first six and five from the last six
1973-4: Seven from the first eight and six from the last seven
1975: Seven from the first eight and five from the last six
1976: Seven from the first eight and seven from the last eight
1977: Eight from the first nine and seven from the last eight
1978: Seven from the first eight and seven from the last eight
1979: Four from the first seven and four from the last eight
1980: Five from the first seven and five from the last seven

The strangeness of this system was shown up in 1979 when Alan Jones arrived for the final race of the season unable to improve on his points total. He’d already won four of the preceding seven races, giving him a maximum score for that portion of the season.

The “split season” system was dropped the following year. But you have wonder that, had a variant of it been in use in 2009, Jenson Button would have been in serious trouble in the second half of the season.

What about the constructors’ championship?

The less-heralded sibling of the drivers’ championship, the constructors’ championship, began in 1958.

Ferrari are quite fond of pointing out they’d have even more than their still-huge tally of 16 titles had the title begun in the same year the drivers’ did. Still the first constructors’ champions was not the Scuderia but Vanwall.

To begin with only a team’s highest placed car could score points in each race. When the “best result counts” rule was in place, this also applied to the constructors’ championship.

It wasn’t until 1979 that both a team’s cars could score. At that year’s Brazilian Grand Prix Ligier became the first team to score a then maximum 15 points for a one-two finish.

For a while, only teams who entered two cars throughout the season could score points. So in 1984 Osella and ATS could not claim the two and one point respectively scored by drivers Jo Gartner and Gerhard Berger because they were single-car entrants.

The future: 25 points for a win

Jenson Button would have scored 230.5 points under the new rules in 2009

Jenson Button would have scored 230.5 points under the new rules in 2009

Here is the new F1 points system for 2010:

Position Points
1 25
2 20
3 15
4 10
5 8
6 6
7 5
8 3
9 2
10 1

Read more: 2009 standings under 2010 F1 points system

As we’ve already discussed here the new points system is proportionally little different to what has gone before – though seventh place being valued at five points instead of four looks like a mistake.

It’s been pointed out that awarding 25 points for a win from 2010 will render comparisons with previous championships impossible. But as we’ve seen here trying to compare drivers’ performance based on points scores is already meaningless.

The failing of the 2010 F1 points system is that it doesn’t address the under-valuing of a win, a knee-jerk change brought in six years ago. Ultimately, it’s not the points system that makes a championship exciting, it’s how closely-matched the cars are.

Update: The 2010 points system was changed again after this article was written. The following system is now being used: 25, 18, 15, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1.

2010 F1 points system

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77 comments on Think the new F1 points system is weird? We’ve seen much stranger

  1. Mike "the bike" Schumacher said on 22nd December 2009, 22:24

    I never realised how long the “best results count” rule lasted for !950-1990. What a C*** rule.

  2. wasiF1 said on 23rd December 2009, 1:23

    I don’t think the new point system will make any difference.

  3. adaptalis said on 23rd December 2009, 4:07

    Thanks for the article. I learnt something new about F1 reading it.

  4. Bacco said on 23rd December 2009, 9:16

    Well gents all good posts, as always differing views, but think about it would make it interesting, and spice things up and allow the drivers to play a joker to double their points in races they fancied winning.

  5. Icthyes said on 23rd December 2009, 10:08

    I like the idea of dropping points because we could make it Best of 16 out of 20, thus in essence keeping the traditional format of 16 races. It would also save the seasons of people who had appallingly bad luck with reliability, although that has become far less common.

    I appreciate the field is much more competitive and it’s going to be hard for smaller teams to score points, but won’t that make it a greater achievement? F1 is about the best of the best, and personally I feel if you can’t get higher than 6th out of 26 then you don’t really deserve points, but at least up to 8th was a nice compromise. And if the actual number of points a team receives (rather than their relative position to other teams in the final standings, ranked on countback if several have 0) is such a problem (i.e. financial rewards), then change that system instead.

    It’s just another fudge to make things more interesting – don’t mess with the proportion, but change the number, so if someone drops out and their main rival wins, the title race is changed dramatically. On the flip side, a driver can run around in 9th place knowing they’ve scored enough to preserve their lead or even win the championship. Yet another constraint to please the commercial element at the expense of letting be whatever happens on the track.

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  7. taurus said on 4th March 2010, 12:01

    if we didnt have the silly limited numbers of engines and penalties for gearboxes breaking etc etc, unreliability would be much more of a factor and 10-6-4-3-2-1 would work again.

    its these background rules that are overcomplicating matters so much – preventing the flat out pure racing we all want to see.

  8. Fixy (@fixy) said on 10th January 2011, 16:29

    Veeeeery ridiculous. Happily this is over.

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  10. P Smith said on 21st September 2014, 13:54

    re: this post and the Points Calculator

    Why is the FIM points system not included in the list? It’s a better system than some of those shown (i.e. IndyCar, NASCAR, current F1 system). It drops points by 5, by 4, 3, 2 then one down to 15th place. FIM: 25 20 16 13 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1.

    None of the F1 points systems has ever been perfect. 9/6/4 was the best. 10/6/4 rewarded winning too much, and 10/8/6 too little. (9/6/4 with a point for pole position would have been tolerable.) And if the “best races” had been used in 2009 (5 of first 9, 5 of last 10), Vettel would have won that world championship, not Button.

    Why does the number of points positions have to be an even number or a multiple? I’d rather see a hybrid of past systems, with seven points positions: 10/7/5/4/3/2/1. A win is worth twice as much as third place, and the 1st-2nd gap is bigger than 2nd-3rd. Under this system, the 2014 points standings would be (before Singapore):

    Nico Rosberg – 92
    Lewis Hamilton – 84
    Daniel Ricciardo – 58
    Fernando Alonso – 37
    Valtteri Bottas – 36
    Sebastian Vettel – 32
    Jenson Button – 19
    Nico Hulkenberg – 17
    Felipe Massa – 15
    Kevin Magnussen – 9
    Sergio Perez – – 8
    Kimi Raikkonen – 8
    Everybody else – 0

    Riccardo is closer to Rosberg and Hamilton, but requires more help to catch them than the current system. Alonso is above Bottas because he scores more consistently, even with fewer podiums. And the second place for Magnussen and third for Perez mean they leapfrog Raikkonen.

    As for double points, what a stupid idea, especially on a terrible track like Abu Dhabi. The only reason to award double points is for a longer race. Turn Monza into a 500km, 3 hour endurance race and I’d support it. F1 engines have to last at least two races now (600+km), so it’s not like they can’t handle that distance.

  11. Northlight said on 28th March 2015, 12:05

    Sorry for reviving an old discussion, but:

    I would like the points to be this:
    That gives the same relative values as the 1991 rules for places 1 through 3, and allows for points to be given down to 10th place.
    Places 4 to 10 are given slighty more than under the 1991 rules to get an even slope down to 10th place.

    For reference, the 1991 points were:

    Relative values: (Win normalized to 100)
    1991: 100-60-40-30-20-10
    idea: 100-60-40-32-24-20-16-12-8-4

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