Newey: Red Bull blocked from Mercedes deal

Adrian Newey speaking at the Watkins lecture today

Adrian Newey speaking at the Watkins lecture today

Adrian Newey claims Red Bull evaluated a switch to Mercedes power for 2010 but were prevented from using the engines by rival teams.

The designer claimed Mercedes users McLaren and Brawn blocked a Red Bull-Mercedes deal.

Speaking at the Motorsport Safety Fund’s Watkins Lecture at Autosport International, Newey said the team considered the switch because of Mercedes teams’ performance advantage in 2009.

Newey said:

The Mercedes engine enjoyed a good advantage over the rest of the field last year. The lap time difference was significant – several tenths of a second. And when you have to find that kind of performance from the chassis, that’s quite a big ask.

But in the end Brawn and McLaren blocked us from having the Mercedes engine.
Adrian Newey

He said the team had also evaluated the new Cosworth engines but decided to stay with Renault for 2010 as the French manufacturer planned developments for its engine.

“We now have a good programme of development,” he added, and denied the discussions over which engine to use had delayed the development of the RB6.

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33 comments on Newey: Red Bull blocked from Mercedes deal

  1. Macca said on 15th January 2010, 13:12

    With Mercedes engines, Red Bull would be unstoppable.

  2. Bartholomew said on 15th January 2010, 13:14

    He is right about the Mercedes engine having more power. Fast Fred will have to drive extra fast to make up for the lack of power in his Fiat.
    In Germany they have always made better engines than in Italy.

    • Arun Srini said on 15th January 2010, 13:20

      I thought Renault was from Franch :-p

    • DanThorn said on 15th January 2010, 13:33

      Ferrari used to have the most powerful engine, it was Enzo’s philosophy. They had the most powerful engine right up to 2007/8, but during the ‘engine freeze’ Mercedes have caught up and probably surpassed them.

      I’d also say that Italian engines are on the whole better than German engines ;)

    • David said on 15th January 2010, 13:46

      Mika Hakkinen from Indy 2000 can have something to say about the last sentence.

    • David A said on 15th January 2010, 23:45

      The Mclaren reliability between 2000-2006 says that Germany haven’t.

      • F1fan said on 17th January 2010, 0:37

        Reliability was an issue but mclaren were the fastest in the field. If the engines lasted they would be the best. The motors usually broke in the hands of Kimi raikkonen……strange. He has no luck.

  3. Icthyes said on 15th January 2010, 13:43

    Well of course they’d block it, this is a competition after all!

    But I doubt Newey’s claim of “several” tenths a lap, maybe at Monza but that’s a one-off. The Red Bull wasn’t that much of a superior car to be able to hold off that kind of advantage. Also, the Renault had the best fuel efficiency, so it wasn’t all loss, especially given that the weight penalty for a lap of fuel is about a tenth in itself.

    I wanted Red Bull to get a Mercedes deal to make things a bit more equal, but if you have the same engines then you limit the scope to claw back laptime deficits through means other than copying what everyone else is doing. Ideally I’d like only one team per non-Cosworth engine, but we’d have to wait a few years until the costs of F1 come down.

  4. Yet another reason for me to dislike Mclaren and Brawn.

    Red Bull would be amazing with Merc engines, oh well I hope the Renault can improve next year.

  5. He would say that though, they still want to equalise the engines so expect everyone to complain about Mercedes’ power advantage – notice that Newey is keeping quiet about Renault’s fuel economy advantage though.

  6. The engine freeze really helped Merc if you remember how they got blown up if really stressed as Kimi often does :-( . So with the freeze they went on to concentrate on durability and less fuel consumption.

    Hope they continue in that way as I am a Merc as well as a McLaren fan ;-)

  7. Ninad said on 15th January 2010, 14:49

    I think Brawn and Mclaren are right!!

  8. And here we all where thinking that it was lewis making the car fast, but it was just the engine lol

  9. I think Mclaren and Brawn had a right to block the engine deal with Red Bull. The Mercedes is the best engine on the grid, but not enough to say that the other engines on the grid are several tenths off the pace. McLaren had the fastest cars on the grid in 2007, and 2008, and that is why Lewis wins races, not because of a Mercedes engine advantage.

    The fuel economy of the Renaul engine won’t be that significant. All teams will qualify on low fuel, and they will all start the race on a full tank of fuel. I doubt the Renault engine saves any significant amount of fuel, as to play into a big race strategy advantage.

    • Pizzapie:D said on 17th January 2010, 0:51

      Uh mclaren need a motor in their excellent chassis and it was mercedes which is apparently the best in the field. Lewis is the best in the field too, so that is a championship winning formula :D .

  10. jampot said on 15th January 2010, 15:52

    “got blown up if really stressed as Kimi often does ”

    in fairness i think that was just kimi’s driving style. didn’t he pop a couple of red engines ealry last season?

  11. Ratboy said on 15th January 2010, 18:19

    Is it me or does Red Bull change there engines alot? first Renault when they were quickest then to Ferrari cos they were the best now they wanted Mercedes engines.

  12. Jarred said on 15th January 2010, 19:04

    Actually Ratboy, Red Bull went from Ferrari to Renault as they passed the Ferrari contract onto Torro Rosso. But yes you are right in your statement that they change their engines alot

  13. wasiF1 said on 16th January 2010, 1:57

    I think if the aero is good for the Red Bull with a good upgrade engine,Newey can still fight back.

    Can anyone answer that what is the maximum number of teams a engine manufacture can supply?

    • Jarred said on 16th January 2010, 2:14

      I believe it must be three which is why Red Bull was unable to use a Mercedes engine for 2010 as they already supplied engines to themselves, McLaren, Force India. However I always thought it was four, so i’m not sure on that one.

  14. doogie said on 16th January 2010, 9:52

    I think we might find that redbull used the threat of wanting a merc or indeed a cosworth engine to help renault get the go-ahead from the fia to upgrade the renault engine,it was never in doubt that they would use it.

  15. benno said on 16th January 2010, 13:42

    Remember when we called Max, mad – when he suggest everyone use the same standard engine? Now we bitch that a forth team (half the 2009 grid) couldn’t use a Mercedes engine!

    Renault is the engine to have for next year, slightly down on power but really down on fuel consumption – someone work it out in their blog: 3tenths a lap!

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