McLaren and Ferrari’s 2010 cars side-by-side (Pictures)

2010 Ferrari F10 and McLaren MP4-25

2010 Ferrari F10 and McLaren MP4-25 (click to enlarge)

The McLaren MP4-25 has been launched today.

So now we can see how it compares to arch-rival Ferrari’s 2010 car, the F10, which was launched yesterday.

Have a look at the two cars side-by-side in these pictures to see how two of F1’s powerhouse teams have tackled the 2010 regulations.

The different zooms used on the photographs makes it difficult to compare dimensions accurately, and makes the MP4-25 look much longer than the F10.

Right

2010 Ferrari F10 and McLaren MP4-25 (click to enlarge)

2010 Ferrari F10 and McLaren MP4-25 (click to enlarge)

Image scaled so rear wheel sizes match

Front

2010 Ferrari F10 and McLaren MP4-25 (click to enlarge)

2010 Ferrari F10 and McLaren MP4-25 (click to enlarge)

2010 Ferrari F10 and McLaren MP4-25 (click to enlarge)

2010 Ferrari F10 and McLaren MP4-25 (click to enlarge)

Images scaled so front wing sizes match

Images (C) www.mclaren.com / Ferrari spa

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138 comments on McLaren and Ferrari’s 2010 cars side-by-side (Pictures)

  1. iceshiel said on 29th January 2010, 13:46

    The Ferrari looks more complete to me. But damn the Mclaren is a silver beauty.

    • Scribe said on 29th January 2010, 14:18

      Ferrari looks significantly less developed too me, the rear is a mess, they seem to have missed the point of that nose they’ve nicked from redbull.

      Also we can’t really tell about the wings till we see them and these rumours of B spec Ferrari in the offing and numbers not adding up at Manarello point more to a disorganised ferrari than an organised one.

  2. Salty said on 29th January 2010, 13:46

    I still don’t like those Ferrari mirrors. Seem to be too peripheral for drivers to easily use them. Look to be more about aero than safety. Just my tuppence worth.

  3. Bartholomew said on 29th January 2010, 13:50

    Seems like the teams have sensed that 2010 will be a memorable year and they want the cars to look extra good. The Kaiser is back in a great looking ´Benz, so that Fast Fred can beat him again, and now Ron has come up with this beauty and has two great drivers.

    2009 will be remebered in the future in the same sentence as 1929 and 1313 ( the year of the Black Plague in Europe).
    However 2010, at least in F1, is going to be a great year !!!
    Cheers

  4. Ronman said on 29th January 2010, 14:00

    i don’t like how the air intakes are up there, the ferrari’s looks nicer. the sidepods seem like they are sawn off not sculpted like Ferrari’s. the red’s nose seem less complex than McLaren’s, but the McMerc does look aerodynamically mature…

    we’ll have to wait till Bahrain to make up our minds on what counts… winning races

  5. CounterStrike said on 29th January 2010, 14:02

    Actually the RB5’s front nose section is not novel at all. Its been incorporated before by Adrian Newey in late 90’s when he was at McLaren.

    Closely observe & you’ll notice the slight bludges around the edges. Of course its not as pronounced as the Red Bull.

    http://www.atlasf1.com/news/1999/images/99MP41401.jpg

    Such a shame that most of the teams are just copy/pasting Newey’s designs. Its a decade old people!

      • Scribe said on 29th January 2010, 14:15

        http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2009/813/671.html

        Brawn tested that at Silverstone last year so it’s clear that they’re keen on the idea.

        Brawn has already said the nose won’t swoop, tbh I expect the Mercedes to have that F10 look of our last car with your best bits tacked on look about it.

        • CounterStrike said on 29th January 2010, 14:31

          I fail to understand why people are incorporating RB5’s design concept.

          Fact is that RB5 has spent way too less time compared to the Brawn in the wind tunnel & simulation.

          Brawn’s design was started well in advance & at one point in time Honda hired extra wind tunnels to simultaneously test the aero design.

          If people wanna copy, they better be copying the Brawn, its aerodynamically flawless.

          RB5 meanwhile is Newey’s abstract child. Most importantly itis based on a pullrod suspension concept & primarily designed to suite a Renault v8.

          Ferrari have really ridiculed by copy/pasting Newey’s designed, when they were far better off producing something of their own.

          • Scribe said on 29th January 2010, 14:45

            Well, your clearly missing the fact that Brawn is said to be incorparating the RB5 nose.

            Clearly in their windtunnels the design has come up superior, if the team that invented this aerodynamically “flawless” design are using something else somehow this points to that design being better. hmm?

            Also the BGP01 is definately not flawless. While part of this had to do with fitting in the new engine and the flawed mid season upgrade, the fact is that car had problems heating it’s front tyres, and problems with its rear tyres as well. The rasied sharp nose is obviously more efficiant to the swooping one hence the teams seem to be going for it.

          • maciek said on 29th January 2010, 18:34

            Because they were fast with a crap engine.

          • maciek said on 29th January 2010, 18:36

            I meant to reply to :”I fail to understand why people are incorporating RB5’s design concept.”

          • Hallard said on 29th January 2010, 22:01

            Because all the rival team prinicipals had acknowledged that by the end of the year red bull had the most efective aero package of the field, despite Brawn’s head start. Thats a pretty good reason.

          • Paige said on 30th January 2010, 5:38

            The BGP001 was an amazing car before they stopped developing it and took a gamble on coasting home. Who knows what it would have been if they had properly updated it like the other teams did?

            Still, the RB5 was a great design. And it never really reached the potential it could have if it had started with a DDD.

  6. JUGNU said on 29th January 2010, 14:29

    IMO Mclaren is looking much better than Ferrari. And if pace-wise it is as good as it looks, than Lewis is going to tear up the competition.

  7. Gusto said on 29th January 2010, 14:45

    Well I for one want to break away from this Iam a Professor of Formula One and thank Keith for this unique opportuinty to partake in a piece of F1 history. Good on you Keith long live F1 fanatic.

  8. neosi said on 29th January 2010, 14:46

    does anyone have a pic of the mp4-24 to compare to the mp4-25?

  9. Icthyes said on 29th January 2010, 14:49

    I think the Ferrari looks a lot “tidier”, but by extension of that more conservative. The McLaren looks far more “edgy”.

  10. Zio Pepe said on 29th January 2010, 14:50

    Ferrari’s sidepods are larger than McLaren but Maclaren’s sidepods are higher. I think that Ferrari’s rear wing will work better.

    • Scribe said on 29th January 2010, 15:19

      I think that may be the reason for the shark fin, to make up for McLaren focusing development on another area. The Shark fin will mitigate performace cuts from focusing on the diffuser,

      The middle of the MP4 25 definately shows BGP01 influence.

  11. John Edwards said on 29th January 2010, 14:56

    The Macca looks way way more developed than the Ferrari. The Ferrari to me looks barely any different to the 09 car; just a worst paint scheme.

    The packaging on that Mclaren must be so tight, the sidepods are tiny, the car is so low and so narrw at the back.

    I was surprised to see the shark fin to.

    It does look like a bit of a Red Bull 2009 car but more developed.

    • Scribe said on 29th January 2010, 15:20

      Ferrari only showed us they’re main body though.

      they’ve hidden their diffuser front wing rear wing and may even be hiding a completely different engine cover.

    • CounterStrike said on 29th January 2010, 15:29

      Well, they said the same last year :P Even the great Niki Lauda was of the opinion that Mclaren looked a class apart & ridiculed BMW,Renault & the others.

      Again, I am not basing my presumption on the fact that McLaren will perform fantastically well based on merely the visual aspects of the car.

      I firmly believe that McLaren would have learned from their 2009 blunder. That mp4-24 was simply under developed.

      Developed/under-developed is really a relative term. I’d say the Mclaren looks fine compared to Ferrari, but we are yet to see Merc,Red bull & Renault unveil theirs.

      • Scribe said on 29th January 2010, 15:42

        Thinking about that Niki probably had a point in ridiculing the BMW and the Renault. Pair of dogs the pair of em’

        And the Ferrari, pretty much everything cept the redbull.

        An then my god that Brawn. Now that car was a class apart.

  12. Gusto said on 29th January 2010, 15:04

    do you notice the circular appendix to the end of the front wing, bet it allows toridial laminar airflow to the rear of the car then wahay its all yours lol

  13. Carl27 said on 29th January 2010, 15:07

    I think this Mclaren is uglier than last year’s. The shark fin is awfull. If it goes as it looks it’s going to be another bad year for Macca. Hope no for the sake of competition. Can’t wait!

    • Scribe said on 29th January 2010, 15:22

      I think this car is definately a splitter of opinion.

      I’ve heared people praisng it for its edgy looks and innovative styling and others critising it for being ugly and conservative.

      I’m certainly with the former but i’m more of the opinion that we’re going to have to wait untill testing to see how good it really is.

  14. wasiF1 said on 29th January 2010, 15:16

    The engine cover to me is the biggest difference apart from the fact that the front wings does look different.

    • wasiF1 said on 29th January 2010, 15:17

      One more thing the McLaren sidepod is smaller that Ferrari,or is that my eyes!!!!

      • CounterStrike said on 29th January 2010, 15:30

        Its your eye wasi, go get them checked.

      • Scribe said on 29th January 2010, 15:35

        I think its your eyes, the McLaren side pods look like last years Brawn while the Ferrari looks like last years Redbull.

        When you think about it that goes with both companies inherant design philosophy.

        Ferrari belives in long wheel based, massive straight line speed, high speed cornering, friendly tyre ware (vented nosecone) balanced with a car that can do some proper overtaking when asked to.

        While McLaren belives in short wheel based, it matters how fast you go round the corners and the straights will look after themselves, medium to slow cornering mastery and squeazing every last drop of downforce out of the car, sometimes compramising efficiency and dirty air performance.

        Before 2009, both teams had rather shaken this off. The idea being that McLaren wins in Montreal and Monte-Carlo and Ferrari wins at mangy Cour and Silverstone was disapearing, despite the design philosophys being radically different.

        I think the rule changes has and will see a return of this dynamic, it’ll be the Bahrains and Intergaloses that tell us whose made the better all round package.

        • CounterStrike said on 29th January 2010, 15:46

          Spot on there about the design philosophies of both Scribe. Its been nearly 10 years since Ferrari have won at Monaco, but McLaren imo seem to have found a balance between sheer straight line speed & mech grip.

          They’ve won at Monza two times in the last 5 years & would have done so last year if it wasn’t for a strategic blunder.

          This lap from Kimi’s Quali shows how heavily McLaren depended on mechanical grip back in those days. He makes up enormous time in the final two sectors:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZlpWqRhfns

          And that was a really Radical car, not the mp4-25 Scribe :)

  15. Gusto said on 29th January 2010, 15:20

    doing this for my own sanity lol. Lower relitive airflow over the inner side of the wheel creates high pressure realitive to the outside of the wheel therefore the pressure forces air from the body side of the car to the outside of the car thus helping brake cooling, phew!

  16. Catalina :) said on 29th January 2010, 15:36

    Looks great. I’m curious to know if they’ve applied pull rod suspension this time.

    Anyway, for me, it looks way more developed than the F10.

    • Nope, in a couple of photos you can see that the rear suspension is pushrod again.

      Pullrod rear suspension would help with the packaging of the rear end but interfere with a proper double diffuser, so we’re unlikely to see pullrod suspension back in 2010.

      • Scribe said on 29th January 2010, 16:29

        Very possible 2011 will be a pull rodingly revolutionary year.

        The most intresting suspension will be the Redbull. Somehow I think pull rod suspension will confirm a Newey masterstroke.

  17. judo chop said on 29th January 2010, 15:47

    Odd how McLaren have now gone for the shark fin when over the last few seasons they’ve been the only top team not to use one in a race.

    • Scribe said on 29th January 2010, 17:06

      basically, the aero guys had to overule Whitmarsh who hates them.

      after that plain sailing.
      finaly, in 2010.

      It’s kinda the problem with the extreme regimental system used at McLaren.

      In Ferrari one Todt at the top can whip the entire team into line by being the schoolmaster. On the other hand it falls apart when a pushover like Domenacali get in charge.

      With McLaren its over structured nature means the opinion of the guy above you can strangle innovation.

    • griff said on 29th January 2010, 19:21

      The longer car may help with that too. That should make the car more stable and Martin W’s comments of previous years about the wind effect, while still there, will probably have less of effect on the stability. The other thing that someone pointed out earlier is that this is no flat piece of material like the previous designs.

      That backend is a thing of engineering beauty. Mind you, I remember the comments about last year’s car when it was launched and they were very similar and that didn’t work out too much did it!

  18. MondoL said on 29th January 2010, 16:12

    For an excellent comparison between F2010 and F2009 go to

    http://www.marca.com/2010/01/28/multimedia/graficos/1264705371.html

  19. CounterStrike said on 29th January 2010, 16:20

    Anyone notice? SAP seems to have withdrawn sponsorship.

  20. Nice Pictures and Comparisons Keith . Thanks.
    Looks like Newey and Brawn are going to be the inspiration for every car in 2010. So when will F1 get the Prodigy designer of the Next Generation ? RB nose is going to be standard and Brawn’s Front wings would also be widely seen I guess.

    I am now really waiting for the RB and Merc launch to see if Newey and Brawn can pull a Rabbit out of the hat. I hope these guys don’t surprise anyone with the Double Diffuser trick like last year.

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