US F1 set to abandon F1 bid

Posted on Author Keith Collantine

US F1 appear to be on the verge of giving up on their plans to compete in the 2010 F1 season.

Reports in the Argentinean media claim Peter Windsor told Jose Maria Lopez the team will not race in F1 this year.

There has been little news from the team for several weeks. It planned to test its car at Barber Motorsport Park this month but no details about the test have been forthcoming.

There are also doubts over high-profile backer Chad Hurley’s commitment to the project.

As recently as yesterday the team asserted it was still on-track to race in Bahrain.

The team has not yet officially responded to the reports but keep an eye on their official Twitter and Facebook presences for developments.

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  1. I think a lot of people have sadly seen this coming for a while now, and if ture, this is a shame, and will only serve to cast doubt on any future attempts (assuming there is any) to join F1 from the US. If this is true, it must damage Windsor’s reputation as he has stated that their entry has been planned for years (and thus was not affected by budget caps). Stephan GP must also be emboldend by these reports.

    1. Jraybay-HamiltonMclarenfan
      17th February 2010, 23:08

      Now it looks like stefan gp team was right lol. Not long ago they said that there were other teams not ready so they continue to make their chassis for 2010. Maybe they will be on the grid after all D:

      1. looks lke sending containers to Bahrain was a good call for Steph GP!

        1. hmmmm, the Argentina media…really. Kieth, you’re title is 100% sure that they are done and then you’re article is contradictory.

          I know it doesn’t look good, but let’s separate rumors and facts.

          1. “set to abandon” not “has abandoned”. i’d say 83.71% sure…

          2. Maybe it’s a difference in English English and American English, but set to abandon means they are abandoning….

        2. banned from J.Allen site
          18th February 2010, 15:43

          bernie was behind it for sure.

          1. why were you banned from james allen’s site? ;?

    2. As I thought from the outset, the whole thing was only going to be an embarrassment for America.

      1. Cetainly not a proud day for us American F1 fans…

        1. Sorry men :( You guys tryed

      2. Don’t confuse America the country with usf1. They are the one’s to be shamed here. A bunch of morons, trying to run an f1 team on a shoestring budget? How stupid can you be. Then to get a 2nd rate driver.. CHILD, PLEASE. Ken Anderson would be a great man, but windsor? Come on, I realize the guy had experience, what 20 some years ago or some trash like that. Who cares, that was a long time ago and the sport has come so far since then. Way to let the country down losers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wait a minute. Get Speed channel on the phone for me, I’m going to make a team now! Up, just ran out of money. Peter Winsor better not be on speed this year or I’ll need to watch some place else. Poser!!!!!!!! Get lost.

        1. paul garnett
          4th March 2010, 15:16

          wow his majesty. im sorry you call yourself an american you do great disservice to the rest of us americans who arent arrogant and disrespectful and really you actually watch speed(aka nascarcrapfest)speed isnt fit to broadcast lawnmower races let alone offer anything meaningful in the world of f1 (thank god for bbcsports)do us all a favor and defect to canada!

    3. Weren’t these the guys that had YouTube as a sponsor?

    4. The following statement is on their Facebook site:

      “USF1 and Campos Meta are to meet Friday Feb19th to discuss possible merger. Chad Hurley previously has sent his representatives to Dallara confirm thier ability to deliver two cars before first GP race. The surviving team use the Dallara chasis and assume the contracts for the Cosworth engines and all other debtes. The remaining team license would be sold to Stefan GP1. All teams would have to vote in favor of allowing a new team at this late date. The weaker teams probably would not want to see the TOYOTAonthe grid again. By buying one of the remaining teams Stefan GP1 would be assured of a spot in 2010. No matter what happens Ken, Peter and Mr Campos are probably out. Mr Hurley and Jose Carabante will assume control of the team and bring in thier own people.
      All this is subject to Collin Kolles not acquiring Campos Meta first.

      1. Is this statement legit, who made it? Makes loads of sense but doesn’t sound very official.

        1. Don’t know who the person is who made it other than he’s stateside, just reproduced it here as it’s on their official facebook page – not been confirmed or denied by anyone there yet.

          1. The official Twitter page is now carrying this message:

            “The US F1 Team web server is down and is being repaired as this is written. We are not gone, as many have reported. More news soon.”

  2. Jraybay-HamiltonMclarenfan
    17th February 2010, 23:05

    As a canadian I thot it would be cool to see a team from America compete. So I followed them as closely as I can but I never got my hopes up and this is not suprise news to me.

    1. why would a canadian like yourself be proud of an american team?

      1. Because we’re friendly neighbors…

        1. I’m a Canadian too, though living in the UK. I was excited about the prospect of a team from North America. Even though it wouldn’t be a Canadian team, it was still good to have a team from our little corner of the world. A lot of times I find that sports in Canada and the USA are so internally focused and not very international. We seem to play sports that no one else plays, and don’t take serious part in sports that do. The thought of a decent North American F1 team was an opportunity to see the North American sports world open up a little more to the world.

          Oh well. Perhaps Frank Stronach will start up Magna F1 and make us Canadians proud – well, at least half proud as the Austrians will no doubt be proud as well.

          1. Cheer up! German websites say Villeneuve is about to sign second seat Stephan.

      2. Jrayybay-HammiltonMclarenfan
        22nd February 2010, 17:45

        where and when did I say I would be proud of them? I thought it would be cool to have a team from North America competing in formula 1, the pinnacle of motorsports.

  3. it is saddening to hear this, if it is true. And I origionally believed them to be the best prepared after months of talking about it from Peter Windbag before the entry process was even mentioned.

  4. I think we’ll get a confirmation within few hours. It was expected, they don’t have so much money behind them as Lotus and Virgin do. And I expect something similiar to happen to Campos soon. Too bad for Senna and Lopez.

    1. It’s more that they don’t have a car. At least Campos have the Dallara, at least Dallara have the Dallara, that can simply be built. USF1 was doomed to fail because it thought that in a recesion it could get the funding to build a car itself. Lotus and Virgin are owned or backed by large self financing empires an therfore where never going to fail like this.

      It’s still quite likley we’ll see Senna and Lopez on the grid, either in the Stefan or in the Dallara, whatever that entry turns up named as.

    2. Still no confirmation….I think they are going to try and pull every last string they can….we’ll get the announcement on March 10th…

  5. Whoah! What a surprise!! (Yes thats called sarcasm)

    How do the FIA feel now?

    1. Terry Fabulous
      18th February 2010, 6:54

      I bet they’re glad they blew off Lola and David Richards!

      Actually, I bet they don’t even notice

      1. Who’s saying that Lola or Prodrive would have made it? Experience in Racing isn’t everything, just look at Campos/Dallara. And Lola and Prodrive also wouldn’t have thought about F1 without the budget cap.

        1. Dave Richards isn’t in the habit of failing at things he sets out to do.

          I think a Lola-Aston-Martin would have been brilliant, although mostly because the racing DB9RS sounds absolutely amazing.

          1. Yeah, because Lola were fantastic in their previous comeback in 1997 weren’t they? ;-p

          2. and Prodrive where magnificent when they got an entry for 2008 and … didn’t show up

        2. Terry Fabulous
          18th February 2010, 21:23

          I’m pretty certain that established Motor Racing entities got overlooked for the grid spots in favour of teams that were going to use the Cosworth engines.

          Of course this is just idle uninformed speculation!!!

  6. Rumours of Chad Hurley looking to back another team now are interesting. Will he back Campos or go with one of the more established teams now. Renault could certainly do with a fresh sponsor.

    1. yes i think that rumour is very interresting if true – he has the money, and wants to sponsor F1, but has lost faith and wants to look elsewhere.

  7. It’s a pity and a disappointment as it won’t help the chances of an F1 race returning to the States, but let’s face it we’ve expected as much for a while now. I hope that the USF1 venture is rescued by Americans and set right, or failing that Stefan GP is ushered in with USF1’s paperwork.
    Here’s hoping Campos will come through their difficulties and make the grid.


    This article is talking about a “Merger” between Campos and USF1?

    1. just, no.

  9. Bit more from Adam Cooper:

    A source close to the US F1 team has confirmed what we have all suspected for some time, namely that there is no money, the outfit is nowhere close to being ready for the start of the season, and that it has neither complete cars nor engines.

    1. I would NEVER have guessed that from the videos they posted of an empty factory building staffed by a tiny number of very nervous F1 rejects. Honestly, that first visit by Bob Vargas is something they should never have shown – it was excruciatingly embarrassing.

      Compare that with Lotus’s video. Nobody doubts Americans can do the job. But it takes a huge huge commitment to be successful in F1, and you need knowledge and experience. This is why Lotus never got talked about like the other 3 – they have Mike Gascoyne. His involvement speaks volumes about the team. And they’ve got a car doing 70+ laps daily while Virgin can’t get theirs out of the garage.

      1. A little harsh on Virgin there sir. Timo clocked 72 laps today while the Lotus tried to spontaneously self-combust. All new teams to F1, so none going to cakewalk it, but for sure, lot of experience at Lotus. Still think Virgin may give them a run for their money this year.

        Sad about USF1, but not totally unexpected.

      2. hahahaha @ Hairs….i know, i was scared as soon as i saw those videos….

  10. Those three car teams Ferrari was wanting don’t look so dumb now if this is true

    1. nope, they still look dumb

      1. Yeah dumb as hell.

      2. pretty dumb IMO.

    2. Dumbest idea I’ve heard

      1. Magnificent_Geoffrey
        18th February 2010, 7:25

        Luca ‘dumb’ Montezemolo IMO.

        1. Mouse_Nightshirt
          18th February 2010, 7:48

          EPIC Dumb really.

    3. Not dumb, he can clearly speak quite well :D
      Just might not voice the most popular ideas all the time :p

    4. I’ll voice my support, 3 car teams has always been the way ahead… but I guess this isn’t the 3 car thread, so I’ll shut up again ;p

    5. Yeah…still looking pretty dumb to me.

  11. Brian Bonner has refuted earlier rumours that he had stopped working with USF1 on his Twitter:

    …still helping my friends at USF1 and others too.

    I love internet “reporting” What happened to good old fact checking. Nah, that’d get in the way of a “story” You know who you are…

    But I suppose the say-so of some Argentinean rag is far more reliable than what those involved with the team have to say.

    1. Good point. There is lots of speculation, but at this stage that’s all it is.

    2. I have been in touch with US F1 (see last paragraph) and although they’re usually very quick to respond, nothing yet.

      1. Jraybay-HammiltonMclarenfan
        22nd February 2010, 18:06

        Do you know if they requested, to miss the first four races of the season?

    3. Kind of agree, but it’s not just the rag… it’s that plus the fact that they have no car, no driver line up, no money or any concrete testing plans with less than a month to go… all things Windsor said would be in place by now.

      I did think they would be there in Bahrain, but surely not now. Framed pictures of Jim Clark does not necessary an F1 team make.

  12. I saw this coming for a long time but I never wanted to believe it. What a shame to Americans, although most of them don’t hold much interest in F1 anyways :P

    1. Nothing but an arrogent, classless remark there. Not to mention completely untrue……

      1. he did say ‘most’ of americans…

      2. No, he’s right. Most Americans arent that interested in F1. In fact most Americans think that Indycar and F1 are the same thing.

      3. I live in America and from all of the americans I know, I have come across 2-3 f1 fans. Don’t see how it is completely untrue….

        1. Thats like saying most Europeans dont like ice hockey like Canadians do. There are fans all over the world nonetheless. It’s just in North America we only have the Gilles villenueve circuit now that Indianapolis is gone. and Europe has many circuits and is where formula 1 competes the most. It’s hard to find hardcore fans because formula 1 isn’t in the media very much for us except when the canada grand prix comes around. The IRL and Nascar get more coverage than formula 1 I believe. Mostly because they race in america. I blame the lack of interest on a lack of exposure.


    An indian driver in F1, and a red car at the front and the back of the grid. Presuming the Toyota is still terrible.

    1. He did promise a good news to all his fans by Feb 25th on his Twitter page.. Im assuming this is it..

    2. Praveen Titus
      18th February 2010, 8:52

      That’s great news, if it’s true.

  14. Voice of The Emperor:

    “Everything is happening as I have foreseen it…”

    Bleh, it’s a shame, but I knew they had only 2 options: 1. make it to the 1st race and make a fool of themselves all year, or 2. don’t make it at all.

  15. I feel more positive for Campos, they are supposedly more technically advanced compared to USF1 and it is better to be technically advanced and lacking funds than having potential investors but no chance of a decent car. Campos have already had rumours of a deal.which suggests there could be a plan to save them in some form.
    If this is all over foe USF1 then I doubt F1 can really try to crack America for a few years. All the steps were in place; a national team and the return of Montreal could have ignited interest for F1 to return there and race.

  16. Utterly, sadly, depressingly predictable. If this is true (and we still don’t really know, Adam Cooper’s article notwithstanding)(although, there is a story on Speed, a formerly ‘friendly’ news source for Windsor) then much of what I’ve tiringly repeated here is true: reputations of young F1 up-and-comers have been smashed and once again, F1 in the US looks ridiculous.

    Windsor and Anderson are rowing back saying they weren’t ‘re-inventing the wheel’ but this was cornerstone of their pitch with their skunkworks nonsense.

    The silence from the team speaks volumes because until January there was a stream of rubbish issuing forth from them about how well things were going. Joe Saward, who was carrying the flag has fallen strangely silent (the mainstream F1 press have been giving USF1 a *very* easy ride with either support or silence) and said a USF1 announcement would be forthcoming on his blog and Twitter stream and it never came. Tweets asking for comment were not returned or even commented on.

    It’s deeply troubling that they couldn’t make this happen or even pay their staff (!). Brian Bonner, a staunch Twitter defender has gone from the team (but continues to ‘help his friends at USF1’), rumours are swirling about (which is always a bad sign, especially when the team doesn’t outright quash them) and there’s also talk that Chad Hurley has gone.

    Hurley’s involvement always seemed ropey and it has to be remembered, he’s a user interface designer, not necessarily the smartest money guy in the room. Just because you have lots of money doesn’t you mean you spend it in the most sensible places. So I never thought his involvement was of much use to the team and he is probably one of the sponsors that Windsor darkly referred to as not being very helpful in Adam Cooper’s blog post.

    So, I say a sad, pre-emptive farewell to USF1, although it does mean you all won’t club together and pay for a ticket to watch me run Silverstone nude (I made that promise in a post somewhere). Windsor was the wrong man for the job, using the US brand as an opportunistic and exploitative play to curry favour from across the pond. Windsor is a fast-talking Australian (like myself) who was more interested in his very 70’s dream of ‘going racing.’ He wanted to start in the big league and has found himself being spat out by it.

  17. Prisoner Monkeys
    18th February 2010, 1:06

    Reports are suggesting that Peter Windsor is in Europe on a last-minute mercy mission to acquire a compelted chassis. I know Lola has one lying around …

    1. N-Tech could be a potential partner

      The chances of them finding a cash injection at this point are almost zero. They would be looking to trade their place in the Concorde agreement with another party for a car/support.

      they shouldn’t be allowed to sell their spot, it should fall back to a party that applied for a place and denied entry (ie. Stefan).

      Again this calls into question the FIA selection process, 2 out of the 3 teams (Campos and USF1) have struggled, while 2 teams not selected (Stefan and Lotus) seem to be doing reasonably well. USF1 blew a huge chance when they didn’t snap up the Toyoto chassis and plans – might have been a poor decision fueled by pure arrogance.

  18. This speaks volumes about the judgement of the FIA who gave these a place ahead of quality outfits like Prodrive and Lola who would have been genuinely good teams for the forthcoming F1 season. Looks like they placed taking the standardise Cosworth engines ahead of being a serious team.

    I feel sorry for the Argentinian lad who had been told he had a seat for the season, just to have it taken away from him.

    What a mess.

    1. Prisoner Monkeys
      18th February 2010, 1:38

      This speaks volumes about the judgement of the FIA who gave these a place ahead of quality outfits like Prodrive and Lola who would have been genuinely good teams for the forthcoming F1 season. Looks like they placed taking the standardise Cosworth engines ahead of being a serious team.

      I’m sorry, but your anti-FIA agenda speaks volumes. The failues of USF1 and Campos are a result of internal mismanagement and an inability to capitalise on demand for Spanish and American teams. There was simply no interest for sponsorship in either country, a mistake even Alain Prost made back in 2001. It was impossible to predict this outcme back in March.

      Also, Prodrive were once given a grid entry and failed to materialise, just as USF1 are now apparently doing. How are they any different from USF1?

      1. It was entirely possible to see that failing to get sponsorship for two new back-of-the-grid teams in the middle of a massive recession from two markets where potentially interested sponsors were already fully committed to motorsport ventures (Indy and NASCAR in the states, Alonso, Barrichello and Massa in Iberian markets), when established sponsors of successful teams were bailing out would be a problem. The names announced by the FIA were met with incredulity at the time from all sorts of quarters, and with good reason. Like Nick Fry, the FIA failed to do proper diligence on the teams they were accepting – or more likely, chose teams that would toe the party line rather than teams they thought would turn up. USF1 were full of hot air from before they applied, and Campos’s whole scheme was based on the sort of wishful thinking Donington would have been proud of.

        The farce and the speculation is entirely the fault of the FIA for not acting in the best interests of the sport in the first place.

        Prodrive did not “fail to materialise” – the FIA (at the behest of teams who didn’t want McLaren selling customer cars?) changed the rules that Prodrive applied under, right before they entered, and Prodrive very sensibly decided not to spend years being ****** around by Max. Strange that Scuderia Torro Rosso didn’t have any such problems getting hold of a customer car……

        1. I don’t know why you are bolding the word “Scuderia”, since Toro Rosso use Red Bull chassis. You were referring to chassis, not engines throughout the Prodrive paragraph. Other than that I agree with you.

          1. Doesn’t the word Scuderia mean “stable”, or “team” in Italian. I’m pretty sure Scuderia Toro Rosso is just an Italian translation of “Team Red Bull”. I’m also pretty sure that they have developed their own chassis this year, separate from Red Bull Racing. As far as I am aware the only link to Scuderia Ferrari is the fact the Scuderia Toro Rosso uses Ferrari engines.

        2. Prisoner Monkeys
          18th February 2010, 22:20

          the FIA failed to do proper diligence on the teams they were accepting

          Again: it would have been impossible to predict USF1 and Campos’ inability to find sponsorship a year ago. Due diligence doesn’t come into it.

          Prodrive did not “fail to materialise” – the FIA (at the behest of teams who didn’t want McLaren selling customer cars?) changed the rules that Prodrive applied under, right before they entered

          Having a grid entry and not appearing on the grid is the definition of “failing to materialise”. Prodrive did not apply under customer chassis rules – they lodged their entry with the proviso that they could use one. Dave Richards had to know that the use of a customer chassis had to be ratified by the teams first, and if there was a chance that the teams didn’t agree to it, he needed a backup plan. But he never formulatd one. He put all his eggs in the one basket, and it blew up in his face.

          1. 1: Everyone predicted that sponsorship would be impossible to find. That was the whole thrust of max’s budget cap, remember? You must run teams for under $40m because these budgets aren’t workable any more? Sponsors were deserting teams (even McLaren lost sponsors). RBS, ING, HP, Lenovo, these are all big ticket marketing companies, and they were all leaving. The FIA was supposed to have audited these teams to check they had funding in place, viable business plans, suitable facilites, and expert personnel. 3 teams who met all those criteria (Lola, Epsilon and Prodrive) were turned down. Two teams with no facilities, no business plan, little or no hope of sponsorship, and no expert staff on board were given the slots instead. And the inevitable two failures have happened. Bernie knew it was going to happen, he said so before the end of the season!

            2: Your use of the phrase “fail to materialise” attempts to compare Prodrive’s situation with USF1’s. I think i’ve been pretty clear with the facts already, they are not at all similar. Prodrive are a professional outfit and, when the FIA flim-flammed on the terms they were told they could enter under, their boss saw that it was not an honest offer, so he withdrew rather than wasting his team’s time, money and talent playing games with Max. They were open, up front, and professional about it. It is also worth noting that while teams who wanted to run a McLaren customer chassis were told no, another team who had a ferrari engine contract had no problems obtaining a customer chassis. That’s an example of FIA “one rule for this team, another rule for the rest”.

            USF1, on the other hand, were full of hot air and nonsense, attempting to run an F1 team on a “dream” and a lot of hype instead of hard business and engineering realities. It was clear from the outset that they were, at best, going to have trouble doing this, even if they did it to the best standard. Instead, they bodged it, and took a lot of credibility out of the sport too. That’s entirely the fault of the people who reviewed their entry and approved it, despite them being less qualified to get on the grid than other teams.

          2. I think you’re response here demonstrates very clearly how Prodrive’s situation and USF1’s were completely different. As you stated, Prodrive lodged their entry conditional upon using a customer chassis. I agree with you that Dave Richards had to know it would need to be ratified first, which is why he lodged a conditional entry. He did not need a backup plan, he had one. In the event it wasn’t ratified Prodrive would not race. That is a backup plan and was fully disclosed at the time of application. It is the FIA, not Prodrive, which failed to have a backup plan, resulting in no one racing in that slot. When you receive and approve a conditional entry the burden is on the entity that approved the conditional entry to have a backup plan in the event that those conditions can not be met. One could argue that the FIA should not have approved a conditional entry (and likely should never approve any conditional entry) or one could argue that the FIA should have had a backup plan when approving a conditional entry to cover the possibility that the conditions not be met and the entry retracted. The FIA knew (or should have known) that Prodrive would not race if the customer chassis option was not ratified by the teams, as it was fully disclosed to the FIA as a condition of the application. Its not fair for the FIA to approve an application under those conditions and then hold a grudge against that team for following through exactly with what was laid out in their conditional application.

            USF1 did not lodge a conditional entry stating that their entry application was subject to obtaining sponsors. This means there is a breach of contract in the USF1 situation, as they clearly failed to satisfy their end of the deal, while there is no breach in the Prodrive contract as their contract was conditional from the start.

      2. At least the rules didn’t change between them getting the slot and the start of the season. Customer cars ring a bell?

      3. May not have been clear enough. Prodrive’s chances went up in smoke when the FIA flip-flopped on customer cars. If they were allowed, they’d have easily been on the grid. If Prodrive had known about it BEFORE getting the slot, they would’ve had time for plan for it. Neither of those happened. Prodrive didn’t get a fair shake.

        1. Prisoner Monkeys
          18th February 2010, 5:40

          Custonmer cars don’t change a thing. The FIA would blame Prodrive regardless of who was at fault. Prodrive are not completely innocent – they should have had a backup plan.

          1. Creating a chassis from scratch isn’t exactly that easy. Even STR (which had a history of constructing chassis as Minardi) has struggled with it at best – and that’s after years of advance notice.

          2. “create a chassis” is not exactly a good backup plan. look at STR.

      4. @Prisoner Monkey

        It does speak volumes of the FIA or rather at the man at the helm of affairs at that time, a certain Max Mosley.

        The slots were awarded more on sentimens than competence. If USF1 even had 15% of the required amount to compete available to them, they would not be in this mess.

        By threatening to force out the established teams from F1 and replacing them with new ones, the FIA was putting its credibility at stake and it was really in their interests to ensure that only those genuinely viable teams were given the available slots.

        Its a distraction trying to compare this scenario with that of Prodrive’s situation 2years back. For one reason, the FIA promised Prodrive customer cars. Prodrive came up with a business plan based on customer cars being available. At the very last minute they FIA banned the use of customer cars. Mike Gascoyne wasn’t available at that time to help them come up with their own chassis in record time. In my own opinion, Prodrive was a victim of FIA fraud.

        1. I heard that the FIA only granted a team entry if they used Cosworth engines

      5. “The failues of USF1 and Campos are a result of internal mismanagement and an inability to capitalise on demand for Spanish and American teams.” – correct

        “It was impossible to predict this outcme back in March.” – no it wasn’t, it was patently obvious.

        “Also, Prodrive were once given a grid entry and failed to materialise, just as USF1 are now apparently doing.” – nonsense, see all the points made by others.

        The FIA (i.e. Max) wanted new kids on the block that he hoped could be kept under his thumb, rather than teams likely to have real weight. He wanted (car) manufacturer influence reduced – hence the insistence on Cosworth engines, and he certainly didn’t want someone like Dave Richards, that would stand alongside the big teams and fight back next time he threw his weight around.

        1. I agree with Hairs. It was no secret that the FIA would only allow in new teams for 2010 if they A) used Cosworth engines, B) agreed fully to adhere to the budget cap.

          The last thing the FIA wanted was new teams that were aligned with the manufacturers (i.e Prodrive using Mercedes engines). Thats why Prodrive were denied entry.

          Prisoner Monkeys – do you honestly believe that USF1 and Campos were a better bet for the forthcoming season than Prodrive and Lola?

        2. “Also, Prodrive were once given a grid entry and failed to materialise, just as USF1 are now apparently doing.” – nonsense, see all the points made by others.

          Sorry, I fail to see how that is nonsense. It’s exactly what happened. Prodrive were given the chance to get on the F1 grid in 2008 and they failed to take it. Those are the facts.

          1. No, those are not the facts. Prodrive applied to enter the sport under certain conditions. Those conditions were changed. Dave Richards, a man with F1 experience, could tell that the invitation was not being given on a fair basis and decided not to waste his time or money.

            USF1 entered under certain conditions. The conditions were changed. Instead of realising “Whoops we haven’t a hope in hell of pulling this off now” they soldiered blindly on and made a laughing stock of themselves.

  19. If USF1 is not there then will Stefen GP get a chance to race in 2010?

    1. There are now rumors that Stefan GP has not fully paid off Toyota. Add the fact that even if somebody acquires the Dallara it has to be built and shaken down in 3 weeks.

      At this point, I think we’re gonna have 22 Cars come Bahrain, plus who knows how long Virgin and Lotus will last.

      I foresee Todt trying to convince Lola and Prodrive to bid for 2011 or 2012.

      Either way I feel bad for the Argentine people, whose tax dollars will be wasted. As well as American F1 fans, following Indygate, the loss of the USGP and now the failure of an “American” team. F1 in the US now rests on the shoulders of Alexander Rossi becoming the American “Lewis Hamilton”.

      1. Prisoner Monkeys
        18th February 2010, 1:39

        Add the fact that even if somebody acquires the Dallara it has to be built and shaken down in 3 weeks.

        That depends on how much of the chassis is actually completed. If it’s half-finished, they’re in trouble. If it’s nearly done or finished outright, it won’t be a problem.

        1. That is why I disagreed with USF1 carrying the name of an entire country in their team title – it means that the entire US market for F1 was tied to the fate of this team through that association.

          All the remarks about USF1 failing immediately also mention the fate of F1 in North America overall. Windsor overplayed the role that the USA played in USF1, and the association along with what appears to be the impending failure of USF1 does not bode well for F1 in the USA (wow, what a confusing mix of words).

          If it was ‘Windsor F1’ failing, there would be almost no talk about the failure of F1 in the USA.

    2. I hope so. Bernie wants stephan, so it shall be.

      1. @ R.E.M.
        I too want Lola and Prodrive (Aston Martin)
        back in F1 in 2011 if not in 2010.

        1. Prisoner Monkeys
          18th February 2010, 7:30

          Dave Richards has said he doesn’t want in, that Formula One “isn’t relevant”, and that if Prodrive were to join the grid, they’d have to be asked by the FIA to join.

          It won’t happen.

          1. I forgot about that comment from Richards. Maybe Epsilon and Lola then.

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