US F1 closes down

US F1 has closed its factory less than two weeks before it was supposed to begin competing in Formula 1.

According to Autosport the remaining staff have been laid off. I have been trying to contact the team for several days without success.

There has not yet been an official announcement from the team.

It remains to be seen if there will be time for their entry to be taken up by Stefan GP with the first practice session at Bahrain just ten days away.

Read more: US F1 set to abandon F1 bid

Advert | Go Ad-free

113 comments on US F1 closes down

1 2 3
  1. Hallard said on 2nd March 2010, 19:52

    What a shame. Cue the serbian vultures!

    • DavidT said on 2nd March 2010, 20:16

      Stefan GP instead of USF1, from bad to worse. Mess just proves Max and FIA made a mess of giving out slots. Aston Martin and Lola are iconic motor racing names with the resources to compete not just make up the numbers.

      • steph said on 2nd March 2010, 20:44

        The new teams were selected because they had engine plans in place and no-one else even had that. Hindsight is great but no-one can really say for certain that Prodrive or whoever would have made it. It’s sad that a new team can’t race but 4 was quite a large number to bring in and it was always likely that at least one would fail because of the very ruthless nature of F1 but we should have three others so it isn’t the end of the world.
        Prodrive also had a chance before so it’s only fair someone else should have a go. Plus the idea of having a team from the US had the potential for massive benefits. If the US got interested in F1 with a national team (possibly a driver) and Montreal back on the calendar then that would pave the way for the return of the US GP. F1 needed something in the US if it was ever going to return so I’m glad they got a shot.
        Maybe more checks could have been in place or it shouldn’t have dragged out so long and in public as it was just more F1 bad news but I think he FIA were right to give out the slots, or at the very least I can’t critise them.

        • mfDB said on 2nd March 2010, 20:58

          yea, I agree. I don’t think any of the others are ready for 2010. I think the FIA need to restart the whole process for the 13th team for 2011 and let Prodrive, Lola, USF1, Stefan, Aston Martin and whoever else formulate a plan and bid on the slot…only this time, they need to make damn good and sure that the team is ready.

          • I doubt there would be anywhere near as many applicants this time around. Most of the teams who applied for a place in 2010 were attracted by the budget cap making it affordable to compete in F1 at a respectable level. I believe Prodrive in particular have said that they will not apply without a budget cap. Ironically, USF1 said they were planning to apply for a spot in 2010 anyway, regardless of the rules.

          • Patrickl said on 2nd March 2010, 23:19

            There IS a budget cap although they call it a “resource restriction agreement”. Budgets will come down to early 90′s levels.

            So Prodrive should be fine to enter.

        • UneedAFinn2Win said on 2nd March 2010, 21:33

          Engine plan ? You mean the “secret” deal between Max/Bernie and Cosworth not allowing any other new engine manufacturer on the grid as supplier to the new teams…

          • Clay said on 2nd March 2010, 21:42

            That was the clincher, wasn’t it? Prodrive wanted to use engines other than Cosworth and were told you could not.

            The funny thing is I always thought it would be USF1 that would be the best prepared of the new teams, not the worst. The talk about a three year plan and all that made their prep seem methodical and well thought out.

            Like I’ve said in previous posts, after this debacle does Windsor have any credibility left in the F1 world? He might come looking to you for a job Keith…

          • Scribe said on 2nd March 2010, 21:53

            Prodrive had, an it has been confirmed, secured a Mercedes poweplant deal. Also as a fully active racing team there was no way they where going to fail.

            We nearly had Aston Martin in F1.

          • Patrickl said on 2nd March 2010, 23:02

            They had a “conditional engine deal”, not a signed deal.

          • steph90 said on 2nd March 2010, 23:23

            Well yes and no Patrickl. Spending will be reduced greatly but it won’t be as quick as the budget cap meaning smaller teams and potential new teams still will suffer for a while yet.

      • Ben said on 3rd March 2010, 0:43

        I’ll say it again. Imagine the outrage if USF1 hadn’t been given a spot on the grid. Probably the same people complaining that the FIA mucked up the selection process would be saying the FIA mucked up the selection process by NOT giving them the position.

        There would be cries of FIA bias, European-centric thinking, America-hating. The FIA could not have won in this situation. Believe it or not, they actually did do the right thing by giving USF1 the position. I don’t like to see USF1 fail, but the FIA would have been under even more criticism had USF1 not been selected in the first place.

  2. sato113 said on 2nd March 2010, 19:52

    bring on Stephan GP and Villeneuve!!!

  3. Calum said on 2nd March 2010, 20:00

    Such a shame, job losses, and dreams gone!

    • vettelfan said on 3rd March 2010, 0:14

      It is. All those people who worked on the car, but won’t get to see it even do one lap.

  4. Scribe said on 2nd March 2010, 20:01

    Oh please please please let this mean we get Villeneuve.

    I mean Stefan with Toyota’s car will be oooh, mid to rear of field? But seriously that is an entertaining drive if ever I saw one. An that’ll mean we get another champion, he won’t be competing against the other but hey, the midfield isn’t going to be short on stars either now.

    An it’s becoming increasingly apparent that USF1 was the cause of its own demise. Hopefully Stefan gets their entry.

    • DavidT said on 2nd March 2010, 20:23

      Villeneuve couldn’t hack it in any car that wasn’t the ‘best car’ which he had when he was with Williams. He’d be a mobile chicane if he got back on the grid.

      • Ace said on 2nd March 2010, 21:19

        Mobile chicane?! come on!

        • DavidT said on 3rd March 2010, 9:41

          Yes Mobile Chicane.

          What did he do in F1 when he left Williams. Answer, drove around and counted his money from BAR.

          He was good in Indy cars but apart from driving for Williams in the best car on the grid what did he actually do in F1.

          If he ends up in Stefan he’ll be at the back of the grid, probably over 5 seconds a lap slower than leading cars.

      • Alistair said on 2nd March 2010, 22:22

        I pretty much agree with your assessment, DavidT, with a few caveats.

        With talk of JV’s return mounting, now is as good a time as any to evaluate JV’s career. I would say that the major turning-point in JV’s career came in 2003. After publicly decrying Button (JB) as nothing but a ‘boy-band member’ who had little talent, JB signed for BAR Honda: a team that had not just been set-up around JV, but actually created for him. (Even Schumi never had that kind of treatment!) JV’s bravado came back to bite him, however, when JB scored double the points of JV; JB also beat JV in qualifying, although fuel was involved, and in fastest laps. This was a turning point because, before 2003, JV had almost always beaten his team-mates; after 2003, JV was beaten by all of his subsequent team-mates: Alonso, Massa, and Heidfeld.

        To lose to Alonso, you might think, is no disgrace. But then you must recall that JV was royally thrashed: Alonso scored 14 points to JV’s nil. JV’s best finish was 10th. He was white-washed by Alonso in fastest laps and out-qualified Alonso just once (with the aid of fuel) from their three races together. The battle with Massa was closer; but this was an unpolished Massa (can you polish a … I’ll let that one go!) JV even declared that Massa couldn’t drive ‘straight in a straight line’! In JV’s final year, Heidfeld scored almost twice as many points as JV did; then JV was sacked…

        People talk about JV’s glory days at Williams; but these weren’t, in fact, all that impressive. JV debuted, in 1996, with the all-conquering Williams, paired with Damon Hill: a very solid if unspectacular benchmark. Hill won the title by 19 points; won twice as many races; secured three times as many poles; and out qualified JV in 13 of the 16 races. (Now compare this debut to that of Lewis Hamilton against Alonso!) In the following year, his second, JV won the title with Williams. JV comprehensively beat Hill’s disappointing successor at Williams, H. H. Frentzen: JV scored almost double the points, seven times as many wins, and ten times as many poles. But JV won the title against Schumi almost completely by virtue of having a vastly superior car: at the opening round, at Melbourne, JV qualified (without race fuel remember) a full 2.1 second ahead of Schumi; to show that this was no fluke, he was a full 1.3 second ahead of Schumi come qualifying for the third race.

        Still, we must give JV credit for his spectacular performance at the title-decider at Jerez. JV kept his head throughout the high-pressure race-weekend, despite Irvine blocking him in practice and Fontana, using Ferrari engines (which I’m sure had nothing to do with anything!) blocking him, horrendously, in the race. It is often said that Schumi deliberately crashed into JV as a final measure to stop the Canadian winning the race and the championship; and that, of course, Schumi was at fault. But if you look closely at the replay, it’s clear that JV braked so late, in an effort to get alongside Schumi, that JV clearly wasn’t going to be able to make the corner: he was travelling too quickly. And, as a result, even if Schumi had wanted to, Schumi likely wasn’t able to avoid a collision. But JV’s daring move made Schumi panic; and Schumi deliberately tried to hit the Williams. Consequently, the victim was forced into becoming the villain. JV won the title; Schumi was disqualified. And it was all JV’s fault. Brilliant stuff! The like of which we have rarely seen.

        JV is now quite old, close to 39, and lacks recent experience of F1, having been forced out in 2006. I really can’t see him performing all that well. I bet that he’s praying for a hopeless team-mate…

        • Icthyes said on 3rd March 2010, 0:16

          Quite brilliant, I must say. Although I’ve actually developed a soft spot for Jacques now I’m no longer a 10-year old Hill fan or an 11-year old Schumacher fan, I can only see his worth in coming back in his experience to set up Stefan GP. He might be another champion, but even though it’s unparalleled anyway, this would be nothing like Schumacher’s return.

        • watdaF said on 3rd March 2010, 1:56

          what are talking about???total crap…

          • David A said on 3rd March 2010, 2:19

            @watdaF

            Alistair’s post made a lot of sense, though. Far more than I can say about what you wrote.

        • Danzig said on 3rd March 2010, 2:23

          Of course J.V braked late-thats called outbraking your opponent.Frm what I recall J.V doesent make an of course excursion or did Michael hitting him help J.V slow enough 2 remain on v track?J.V before v race said Michael would hit him if he tried 2 pass him and thats exactly what Michael did.Now, how many of J.V’s vastly superior teamates have won an INDYCAR crown,INDY 500 and an F1 WDC. ZERO!

          • Alistair said on 3rd March 2010, 10:38

            ‘Of course J.V braked late-thats called outbraking your opponent.’

            There’s braking late; and then there’s heading for Portugal.

            ‘Frm what I recall J.V doesent make an of course excursion or did Michael hitting him help J.V slow enough 2 remain on v track?’

            I believe so.

            ‘JV before v race said Michael would hit him if he tried 2 pass him and thats exactly what Michael did’.

            But Schumi wasn’t necessarily at fault. It sounds like JV may have been planning his strategy well before the race, instead of it being a spontaneous decision.

            ‘Now, how many of J.V’s vastly superior teamates have won an INDYCAR crown,INDY 500 and an F1 WDC. ZERO!’

            Are you suggesting that (given the right car) such ‘achievements’ are or were beyond Alonso and co!? Motoring success in America means very little in F1 circles. Very, very few drivers from American series, least of all American drivers, are successful in F1. But decidedly average or even bad F1 drivers can be successful in American racing…

        • drob said on 3rd March 2010, 6:40

          JV is now quite old, close to 39, and lacks recent experience of F1, having been forced out in 2006. I really can’t see him performing all that well. I bet that he’s praying for a hopeless team-mate…

          To show that words, like figures, can be manipulated to produce almost any result, please consider the following:

          Schumi is now quite old, close to 42 , and lacks recent experience of F1, having been forced out in 2006. I really can’t see him performing all that well. I bet that he’s praying for a hopeless team-mate…

          Interesting, don’t you think?

          • Alistair said on 3rd March 2010, 9:44

            Drob, we all know that words and numbers may be (properly or improperly) manipulated to show (almost) any result. But sometimes words and numbers are only meant to be applied to one person or situation and to do otherwise would be to err: to mistakenly suggest that the original person was commenting on a trend when he was simply commenting on a specific case that isn’t transposable.

            As it happens, I don’t think that Schumi will perform well. That’s not to say that wins, podiums, poles, and even the championship are out of the question. For as we all know, in F1, the car is all-important: Eddie Irvine almost became WDC for goodness’ sake. I really don’t think that Schumi will be anywhere near what he was at his peak. At the peak of his powers (perhaps ‘95 in terms of raw speed) he would have thrashed a driver of Rosberg’s calibre. However, in 2010, I think that there’ll only be a matter of tenths between them. And Rosberg has done nothing in his F1 career to suggest that he’s a top driver…much like all of Schumi’s previous team-mates.

        • maciek said on 3rd March 2010, 9:09

          Villeneuve’s ego was his worst enemy, no question. But he was still a young man when he won the Championship and I think that his then-manager Craig Pollock pointed him in some very bad directions – that guy always had something slimy about him in my eyes.

          But, Alistair, “Consequently, the victim was forced into becoming the villain. JV won the title; Schumi was disqualified. And it was all JV’s fault.”

          You have to be joking, right? The victim forced into becoming a villain? Did you write this post close to the CERN Large Hadron Collider? Because I think that’s the only thing remotely capable of bending the fabric of reality far enough to produce this logic. “He tried to pass me, so I had to panic and try to take him out”? Sorry, but the only word for that is ridiculous.

          • Alistair said on 3rd March 2010, 10:19

            My logic is sound. Study the replays: JV deliberately braked too late to take the corner properly – if at all. As a result, it’s highly unlikely that Schumi could have avoided the collision, given JV’s trajectory and speed. What makes many people think that it was Schumi’s fault is a) prejudice, given Schumi’s history; b) that naughty Schumi clearly turned in on JV. My argument is that JV put Schumi in a position where Schumi couldn’t have avoided a collision, regardless of whether he had deliberately turned into JV or not. Hence, JV was at fault for the collision and was very lucky not to have damaged his car, which only makes it an even ballsier move. It was a brilliant move: to out-think and panic Schumi into condemning himself and taking the blame for the collision that JV orchestrated!

            My opinion may be unorthodox; but that doesn’t make it wrong. I believe it to be true, as do many commentators (not all of whom are German!), posters with whom I have discussed this, and Schumi himself. Indeed, in an interview, Schumi has correctly said that ‘JV used him as braking’.

            And I say all of this as an erstwhile Damon Hill fan!

          • maciek said on 3rd March 2010, 14:46

            @Alistair

            I just re-watched the video of their coming together – and I have to say that if we are watching the same thing, we’re certainly seeing different things you and I.

            The whole thing plays out at 0:15 to 0:17 secs on this video.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgfuoSFerDU

            At 0:15 Villeneuve has fully pulled up alongside Schumacher, Villeneuve being clearly on the inside going into the curve, Schumacher clearly outside. Schumacher then moves way over to the inside and his front wheel hits Villeneuve’s sidepod. Now, you argumentation may be well worded, but from what I’m seeing it just does not correspond to reality.

        • spudw said on 3rd March 2010, 17:56

          While I’m a JV fan, I agree with most of what you said. However, having watched the Jerez incident live on TV and having replayed it at least 100 times, I think you’ve over-analysed it.

          First, there is no way of knowing whether he could have made it through that corner. But I find it strange that people credit the impact with MS as having slowed him down in order to make the corner. It was a side impact, and if anything, that would have increased the load on his tires, not reduced it, as the tires would have been forced to compensate for the lateral impact as well as for the forward load.

          The notion that he would have out-braked himself is impossible to assess and was a desperate excuse from MS as to why he turned in on him.

          As to MS’s mental state when he turned in on JV, there are an abundance of examples, pre and post, that demonstrate that questionable ethics and overly-aggressive driving are a trait MS commonly adopts when under pressure.

          As far as JV’s age and experience, I find your assessment disingenuous, unless you are also willing to assert that a 42-year-old MS with no recent F1 experience since 2006 (other than the last 3 weeks of testing) will also fail in performing to his previous standard. Not equating the two, but just sayin’…

          • Alistair said on 4th March 2010, 19:32

            ‘As far as JV’s age and experience, I find your assessment disingenuous, unless you are also willing to assert that a 42-year-old MS with no recent F1 experience since 2006 (other than the last 3 weeks of testing) will also fail in performing to his previous standard. Not equating the two, but just sayin’…’ (spudw).

            Indeed, I have said (above, in fact) that it is my belief that Schumi will not perform anywhere near the level at which he performed at his peak: I don’t expect him to give Rosberg the thrashing that Schumi circa ‘95 would have unleashed, for example.

            As for the Jerez ‘97 debate, we seem to have a healthy difference of opinion! Believe me, as a former Damon Hill fan, it gives me no pleasure, whatsoever, in defending Schumi! But I have to stay true to the truth as I see it: as you do. I have only a little to add to the case that I have already stated.

            First, it’s interesting that Schumi describes Jerez ‘97, over any previous incident in his long and incident-packed (to put it mildly) F1 career, as his greatest regret. Now, we will no doubt disagree as to why this may or should be the case. But I agree with Schumi’s explanation: he shouldn’t have turned into JV. But there is more to the incident than this simple move: I also agree with Schumi that his turning-in to JV has been singled-out, wrongly, as the defining moment of the collision, when, in reality, I would argue that the event of their colliding was set into motion by Villeneuve’s turn of the wheel, not Schumi’s.

            Second, one might be tempted to shun my explanation for fear that it puts JV in the moral wrong and Schumi in the moral right (the audacity!) for the Jerez incident; but this is not so. Though my explanation puts the moral blame for the collision on JV and not Schumi, it only does so only up to the point at which Schumi made the decision to turn-in to JV. On my explanation of the events, JV maintains moral integrity and demonstrates a lot more cunning, bravado, and originality than he does on the view where he merely ‘sent one up on the in side of Schumi’. After all, that’s not very impressive, in itself: DC and Montoya have managed that. Consequently, it would be a mistake if anyone thought that adopting my view does a disservice to JV’s character, which, to be fair, is a prima facie assumption that one might make. On the contrary, adopting my view elevates the move from a mere dive down the inside to a piece of driving excellence. This being so, we each have to adopt the explanation that we each think best fits the facts. To do otherwise, of course, would be to commit the fallacy of wishful thinking.

            I mentioned some ‘authority’ which supported my view. I identify the following from two well-published authors: Driven to Extremes, by James Allen, and Michael Schumacher : Rise of a Genius, by Luc Domenjoz. I cite this ‘authority’ only to show that my view is not ‘loopy’: it has been put into print by respected F1 journalists. My view is unorthodox, yes; but I see that as a positive, not as a negative.

            Anyway, I respect that you (spudw, maciek, and others) are persuaded by a different explanation to mine. But discussing these theories is part of the fun of being an F1 aficionado, as we all are.

            Bring on 2010. Lewis FTW.

    • Alistair said on 2nd March 2010, 22:33

      Bernie wants JV and Stefan GP in F1. And what Bernie wants: Bernie tends to get.

      If nothing else, JV is a ‘character’, not a PR-Robot like pretty much all the other drivers.

      • DanThorn said on 3rd March 2010, 7:56

        I always liked Villeneuve and I’d love to see him back. I agree largely with your assessment of his downfall, though I would also cite the signing of Panis in 2001 as another major factor – Panis was a huge team player, highly likeable and very adept at car development, and signing him undermined JV’s role of building the team to his liking as it unintentionally weakened his position in the team.

        Up to that point Jacques was still a fine driver – I think he was ranked extremely high (possibly top 5?) in Autocourse’s driver ranking in 2000. The whole debacle with Button in 2003 did seem to knock him though.

        • Sean said on 4th March 2010, 22:29

          Alistair, I think your overall analysis of JV was excellent and well argued.

          But regarding the collision in Jerez, frankly I’m sick of hearing the argument that so-and-so was never going to make the corner anyway, as if this (even if there were some magical way to substantiate it, which of course there isn’t), would somehow exonerate the guy who turned in on a desperate case.

          I remember the same cack being claimed on Prost’s behalf when he closed the door on Senna at Suzuka in 89 and took them both out. It’s garbage and the retort is simple: so, let the guy go off then, he’s only on his way to the boonies, and you can simply duck behind him and sail to victory, can’t you?

          Never made any sense that one, sorry. And don’t tell me the guy on the outside doesn’t have that option/ has no way of judging the passer’s approach speed/ has insufficient room or whatever. This is elementary racing stuff, go-kart stuff, and I know this because I raced karts for many many years. It’s the simplest thing and it’s actually surprising how easily you can tell if someone is outbraking themselves and let them fly off or just lose time running too deep. It happens all the time and it’s beyond second nature to proper racing drivers.

          Truth is that Michael knew full well he was being outbraked, would lose the WDC from there, and that wouldn’t do, would it?

  5. Elvis said on 2nd March 2010, 20:01

    The circle of life is complete!

    It is a sad day for us Yankee F1 hermits!

    But – on the bright side – maybe Peter will be back on Speed with his pre-race walks!

    • ElChiva said on 2nd March 2010, 20:12

      no he wont! somebody whose blog i read got the seat yesterday!

      • R.E.M. said on 2nd March 2010, 20:26

        Will Buxton

        • Bewildered said on 2nd March 2010, 21:05

          although, Mr Buxton has just fathered a baby, and wont be on the grid until Shanghai, so even though I’m sure Speed will keep to their word. There is an outside chance Pete could be back on Speed (so to speak).

          Having said that, I’m not sure there is much motivation for Pete to come back to Speed, and been show himself after such a failure. :(

          Can’t help feel sorry for Pete Winsor, and the other well motivated individuals. Looks like Ken Anderson seems to have been the bottleneck.

          • Scribe said on 2nd March 2010, 21:38

            When you think about it what did Peter Windsor do, secured the backing of Chad Hurley, those swiss guys, Rositer, Lopez, secured Cosworth power, an provided Ken Anderson pretty damn good facilities. Did he claim to be able to build a car no, left it to people who claimed they could.

            What did Anderson do, balls it up

  6. Eje Gustafsson said on 2nd March 2010, 20:03

    Bummer. But it started to become obvious in the last month that they probably wouldn’t happen this year. Only thing that would saved them was a deal with SteafanGP it seemed in the last two weeks but it the talk breaking down it was imminent for failure. Would have liked to see a US team but guess it wasn’t to happen.

    • ElChiva said on 2nd March 2010, 20:14

      so a deal qith stefanGP results in an American team? Why not a Serbian team?
      or for that matter a german or Japanese one?

  7. Salty said on 2nd March 2010, 20:06

    Shame for US fans, but if they couldn’t put together a car with the amount of time they had, then 2011 wasn’t a realistic option either.

    Would still like to see 13 teams, but don’t see FiA or FOTA being willing to grant such a late entry to Stefan F1 (still prefer ‘Zoran F1′, could have mad Christopher Walken as one of the drivers ;) ).

  8. rampante said on 2nd March 2010, 20:07

    so Ferrari were not so wrong with their statement then. Good bye to teams that want to crawl into a sport they don’t even understand. Oh I forgot the USA rules the world.

    • Shukie said on 2nd March 2010, 23:15

      couldn’t have said it better.

    • Patrickl said on 2nd March 2010, 23:22

      That nut on the Ferrari website is just that … a nut.

      I hope Ferrari has more dignity than their pathetic website seems to display.

    • David A said on 3rd March 2010, 2:22

      It turns out that Ferrari were right about USF1, although the manner in which Ferrari expressed their concerns seemed to rub some people up the wrong way…

      • BasCB said on 3rd March 2010, 7:09

        Well, by the time the Ferrari “horse whisperer” article was publicised, everybody following the news new, that USF1 were not going to make it. Hardly Ferrari’s achievement.

        The comments about “limping” teams Lotus and Virgin is very much unfair and Campos (“Hispanics”) will probably by on the grid in Bahrain (proving Ferrari wrong there), even though it might just get to the start and strand there.

    • maciek said on 3rd March 2010, 8:55

      See now there a good example of what’s been wrong with so many USF1 comments – you take a bad attempt at building an F1 team and make it about some perceived US ego thing, as if the people involved in the team were somehow responsible for George W. Bush… perhaps this is one thing I didn’t miss about Europe: EVERYTHING gets painted in national colours here.

  9. Joey-Poey said on 2nd March 2010, 20:08

    Can’t tell you how sad this makes me :(. It sucks having an international sport with nobody from your country to root for.

  10. turbotom said on 2nd March 2010, 20:08

    I feel bad for the employees and everybody who believed in these fools. Nice way to crush a dream. Another nail in the coffin for formula 1 returning to the US in my opinion. Lets hope I’m proven wrong.

    • Mark Hitchcock said on 2nd March 2010, 20:30

      Agreed, it’s the employees I feel sorry for. It’s pretty tough to find a job these days and a lot of them must have left one to join USF1.

  11. TMAX said on 2nd March 2010, 20:16

    So Sad to see this happen. The Biggest economy on the planet can’t afford to sponsor a F1 Team. Something is really wrong somewhere.

    I really hoped the small teams will make it and prove Ferrari’s Arrogance wrong. Looks like Luca and Co are right.

    • Accidental Mick said on 3rd March 2010, 18:22

      I would imagine that it was more a case of possible sponsors having a good look at the team and deciding for themselves that USF1 was unlukely to make it.

  12. James_mc said on 2nd March 2010, 20:28

    I feel sorry for the staff.

    I think the FIA/FOM made a right mess of this. 6 months to produce an entry was unrealistic. For anyone

    • mtss said on 2nd March 2010, 20:30

      Lotus dit it in 5!

      • RFB said on 2nd March 2010, 21:21

        Doing it in a short timeframe was indeed possible (Lotus proved it), but one would have to know who to do things correctly and where to compromise on his ambitions, in order to be ready in time.

        Lotus used the services of well-known companies with plenty of experience (Fondtech, XTrac, …), concentrated on getting the car designed and built and the operations running. More specifically, they used existing groups on aspects that require team work, and getting a team to work together efficiently is probably the longest part of the exercise.
        At the other end, USF1 got a very small, mostly inexperienced team (70 people), and decided to design and build their own gearbox which is a very complex and specific exercise. Yes, they told about using a company to outsource CFD, and all the local competences around their factory ; but CFD (or a wind tunnel) doesn’t design a car, it only tests what your aerodynamicists design.

        The impression I get is that they seriously underestimated the complexity and difficulty of the task, lacked organisation and planning, and didn’t see the hard wall they were running into.

        On top of it, most comments from Anderson about all F1 teams using lots of things coming from the US were complete lies, starting with him pretending that McLaren Electronics is based there. That certainly didn’t raise my confidence in them…

        • Gman said on 2nd March 2010, 21:44

          McLaren Electronics dose indeed have a US-specific operation located just up the road from Charlotte, and many other components that are used in F1 are either made there or can be made there. That part of it was 100% correct, despite what many anti-American fans would want you to believe. But apparently, Anderson had no clue about how to put all those resources to good use…that will (and indeed has, many times) sink a team no matter where you base it out of.

          • RFB said on 2nd March 2010, 22:29

            McLaren does have a base in the US, but all the F1 ECUs are designed (and produced, I believe) in the UK. I should know, I had a job interview there.

            That all the parts can be designed and produced in the US, there is no doubt about it. That many of them actually are produced there, then shipped to the UK, making is easier for USF1, like Anderson claimed. Hmmm, no, I don’t think so. Nothing anti-American there, just refuting the claims that “it’s easier because they are in the US” when they don’t make sense.

          • Gman said on 2nd March 2010, 22:53

            I diden’t say there was anything anti-American in your comments, or in any others on the page at the moment. But there are plenty of them out there…that’s all.

  13. halifaxf1fan said on 2nd March 2010, 20:30

    welcome back Jacques!

  14. Spud said on 2nd March 2010, 20:33

    It looks like The Horse Whisperer’s rant was “partly” well founded, if a little harsh in places.

    It’s a shame.

    The FIA have really messed up here.

    Imagine if the breakaway series had gone ahead.
    How many other USF1′s could there have been? The FIA would have been rightly stuffed then…..

  15. steph said on 2nd March 2010, 20:39

    This is a real shame for the factory workers. It’s those hard workers who I really feel sorry for.

1 2 3

Add your comment

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

All comments must abide by the comment policy. Comments may be moderated.
Want to post off-topic? Head to the forum.
See the FAQ for more information.