Which races should Ecclestone cut? (Poll)

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Which venues should F1 keep going to?
Which venues should F1 keep going to?

Bernie Ecclestone has said F1 can “afford to lose” certain rounds to make way for races in New York and Russia – two venues he’s been trying to get on the F1 calendar for decades. He told Autocar:

We?re going to lose some races for sure, there are some races we can afford to lose without too much problem. I?ve spoken to the countries to see what we can come up with.
Bernie Ecclestone

I suspect fans may differ with him on which F1 races should get the chop – so let’s put it to a vote…

South Korea joins the championship as a 19th round this year and India could make a largest-ever calendar with 20 races in 2011. Rome is also in the queue and Ecclestone has been talking about races in New York and Russia once again, though there’s nothing new about that.

Which rounds would you drop from the world championship? Pick as many as you like from the poll below and have your say in the comments.

Which races would you drop from the F1 calendar?

  • Bahrain Grand Prix, Sakhir (65%)
  • Australian Grand Prix, Melbourne (1%)
  • Malaysian Grand Prix, Sepang (7%)
  • Chinese Grand Prix, Shanghai (21%)
  • Spanish Grand Prix, Catalunya (16%)
  • Monaco Grand Prix, Monte-Carlo (3%)
  • Turkish Grand Prix, Istanbul (30%)
  • Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal (1%)
  • European Grand Prix, Valencia (60%)
  • British Grand Prix, Silverstone (2%)
  • German Grand Prix, Hockenheimring / N???rburgring (3%)
  • Hungarian Grand Prix, Hungaroring (27%)
  • Belgian Grand Prix, Spa-Francorchamps (1%)
  • Italian Grand Prix, Monza (1%)
  • Singapore Grand Prix, Singapore (19%)
  • Japanese Grand Prix, Suzuka (2%)
  • Korean Grand Prix, Jeonnam (13%)
  • Brazilian Grand Prix, Interlagos (1%)
  • Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, Yas Island (29%)

Total Voters: 5,202

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  1. Untitled258
    9th April 2010, 9:46

    Ergh, i pressed the wrong button, im so stupid, well, ive just woke up so i guess sleepy.

    I meant to press Shanghi and Valencia, but ended up pressing Shanghi and Susuka, i love susuka :(

    1. Shanghai and Suzuka ;)

  2. Picked most of the new Tilkodromes…I don’t feel any attraction by Cinese, Singapore or Abu Dhabi GP. Then cut off Valencia, which only produced processional races so far. I feel Korean track could be a good venue.
    I would like France (Paul Ricard) and US (Watkins Glen) back.

  3. to quite honestly say, the China track is maybe my favourite Tilke-track. it has multiple optimal lines to follow, very wide track, and i’ve always enjoyed watching it, even in dry conditions.
    but i have to say, i’m shocked that Silverstone and Spa received votes O.o

    1. That’s interesting, I’m really not impressed by the Shanghai circuit. We’ve never had an even halfway good race there in the dry. Remember the dreadful 2008 race? Fortunately it seems to rain quite a bit over there.

      1. China is only good when it rains, so why can we have it as a permanent wet race?

        1. China in 2005 I thought was good in the dry.

      2. Completely agree with Keith about China, its a bad track with no atmosphere. But on the other hand it has strangely gained some character due to two of those wet races in 2006 and 2007. I guess if you put in a wet race at the climax to a title fight even a dull track can be exciting.

      3. 2008 is a very good example, you’re right. however, it still would be the last Tilke-track i would remove from the calendar.
        about wet races :) i used to come up with the Paul Ricard track, where a watering system allows the teams to simulate wet conditions. how about an artificial wet race? :)

  4. Yes, I would keep Bahrein only if they choose the out ring!

  5. Prisoner Monkeys
    9th April 2010, 9:51

    Don’t write Singapore off just yet – the organisers are apparently exploring changes to the circuit for 2011 (they won’t have time to get them approved for 2010). These would include extending the back straight by two hundred metres to go around the War Memorial instead of down the inside of it (cutting out two ninety-degree bends in the process) and removing the chicanes across the waterfront and under the grandstand (which was only ever a novelty).

    1. Yeah I’d give Singapore a stay of execution for pretty much the same reason. It’s certainly too long. Street tracks should be about dodging through traffic and between barriers, not about a lap so long you never catch any slower cars.

      1. Prisoner Monkeys
        9th April 2010, 9:57

        Actually, I think Singapore has a certain charm to it right now – it’s murder on brakes. How many cars did we see with disintegrating brake pads last year? Webber bombed out, the Toro Rossos were retired before it could metastisise into a terminal problem, and even the Brawns struggled with it. Singapore is a race that requires drivers to look after their cars more than any other, which I imagine would be difficult with its labyrinthe streets. That said, it should be changed, but I think it’s under-rated. It’s had one dramatic and one processional race; hardly enough to judge it.

        1. It’s got potential. But I don’t like the way the boundary of the track is often a kerb a few metres away from the wall, rather than the wall itself.

          Ditto Valencia, only much more so…

          1. I like the spectacle of Singapore and being the first night race, it’s got a certain unique charm.

            I think the event should stay, but they should consider improving the layout as the only corner that stands out for me is the bumpy one before the big flyover (think it’s halfway round the track).

          2. It’s got potential. But I don’t like the way the boundary of the track is often a kerb a few metres away from the wall, rather than the wall itself.

            funny though … the official reason for that is to “enhance overtaking”

            that’s the reason why Webber was penalized for his pass on Alonso in 2009!

    2. If that happened I would be glad to keep Singapore. I always thought having all three right-angled corners was pointless, and the new one around the War Memorial could become a decent overtaking spot, whereas removing the useless chicanes at the end of the lap will speed things up and possibly allow cars to follow closer for a stab into Turn 1.

      1. Oh, and make it a twilight race – the circuit looked gorgeous in Saturday Practice.

        1. Here’s a hastily map of the revised Singapore circuit for 2011:


          1. Not sure if they will cut the 3 right-angled corners though? Isnt the floating platform and grandstand permanent?

          2. the straight will still go past the front of the permanent grandstands

          3. Looks like the corner would be shifted to just outside the old Beach Road Camp Complex and would have the effect of making that run under the Marina Square Shopping Centre really fast (330+km/h). It might even resemble that tunnel going under the hotel in Monaco (much shorter though)…

            I would also agree with making the start an hour earlier (7pm SGP time), the drivers wouldn’t notice anyway since the lights would already be on.

    3. I didn’t vote for the chop for Singapore, but it was a close run thing. Last years race was pretty dull, and lets face it, if it wasn’t for Nelson ‘Piroutte’ Piquet, 2008 would have been as well. But I’m prepared to give it another chance if they improve the layout. Plus the cars just look awesome under lights & I love the spectacle of the sparks from the cockpit.

      I voted against Valencia (I’d rather go to the Dentist than watch that race ever again), Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, China & Korea. My finger also hovered over Catalunya, the only saving grace it has was that I think there should be at least one race in Spain. Having already axed Valencia, I couldn’t in all conscience cut Catalunya as well. But it is a supremely dull circuit, and if Spain had any other alternatives, then I would have no hesitation in giving it the flick.

      Bahrain I just hate for its dull races, and total lack of crowds and atmosphere. Abu Dhabi showcases the hotel rather than the race, and makes it look like the cars are racing around it’s carpark. Plus, the hotel is really rather vulgar.

      I don’t know why I voted for Shanghai – there have been some great races there, but the empty grandstands and EXPO signage have just turned me off it. And I voted against Korea on general principle, a metaphorical thumbing my nose at Bernie and his odious habit of selling F1 to the highest bidders.

  6. Eddie Irvine
    9th April 2010, 9:52

    F1 needs to be going in exotic places all over the world. A circuit in North Africa, Hawai, Argentina and Siberea( RUssian GP) should be a well addition to the calendar. F1 cannot afford to many shepang-style circuits, they are all the same. I voted for Turkish, CHienese, Singapore Abu Dhabi and Valencia

  7. The Abu Dhabi track is an insult to F1 drivers. We should get rid of it as soon as possible. Spending so much money to have such a result is disquieting.

    Barcelona has become a very boring track because of the ugly last chicane: moreover, races always suck here.

  8. One of only six (untill now) to vote for silverstone :P

    My other choices were Bahrain, Valencia and Abu Dhabi. Was a little hesitant on Abu Dhabi I must admit.

    1. Silverstone was Rubbish last year, still there’s always a decent chance of rain…

  9. Surprised so many picked Turkey, surely the best Tilke…with a rather nice turn.

    Bahrain, Catalunya and Valencia – pointless

    Hungaring – pointless except when it rains

    Abu Dhabi – probably pointless, though I’ll wait and see on the latter, got to give it a couple of races to tweak itself, might improve

    Singapore… I’ll give it a year or two more, it’s not soooo bad

    That would leave Monacco as the one really dull race of the year, I could live with that.

    1. “Surprised so many picked Turkey, surely the best Tilke…with a rather nice turn.”

      It’s really a pretty boring track with one super turn.

      If they dropped pouhon in the middle of Valencia it would still be a pretty boring track.

    2. Daffid – exactly my choice & thinking! I voted out Bahrain, Catalunya ,Valencia and Hungaring

      Keep Abu Dhaibi & Singapore a bit longer, for reasons of esthetics more than anything.

      Would like to see Paul Ricard (France) and a classic US track (Watson Glen or Indy). May be Imola.

      Also I don’t mind Fuji (most hate). May be because I enjoyed going to the 2007/08 races there. So would’t mind alternating with the superior Suzuka as was planned. For variety really.

  10. keepF1technical
    9th April 2010, 9:57

    who voted for spa? are you mad

    1. It wasn’t me, but I can remember some extremely dull races at Spa.

  11. Amazing. It’s clear to see that Tilke tracks are pretty much universally disliked.

    The problem is that countries wanting to host an F1 race do so for political/economic reasons as opposed to the love for the sport. I’m sure there are passionate people involved in these new projects but all these new tracks (in terms of layout) lack taste.

    It’s odd how the Tilke tracks are created to artificially produce good racing, but somehow it’s the old tracks that produce the most interesting races. So it’s not just the cars and that aero problem, it’s track design.

    I say, don’t create a stop-start track, instead, create a track that flows, preferably on the side of a mountain for plenty of elevation, make it thin and conducive to mistakes, and aim to make the drivers fear the track but to enjoy almost every corner. If the drivers end up saying “this is amazing” then I guarantee you the fans will love it as well!

    1. Yeah the problem is always going to be the FIA’s rules on new circuits.

      This could be a saving grace tho http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potrero_de_los_Funes_Circuit

      1. Prisoner Monkeys
        9th April 2010, 10:25

        It won’t happen. The resurrection of the Argentine Grand Prix will only happen with the support of the Argentine government. Potrero de los Funes sits near San Luis, a regional seat that is held by the national opposition. The government won’t agree to have a race in territory controlled by the other side. The only hopes for the circuit are to either a) have the government win San Luis in the next election (though I’m told San Luis is the stronghold of the opposition party’s power; they’ve held it for decades) or b) have the government defeated and the opposition take control of the country and hope they’ll continue to support the Argentine Grand Prix.

        However, any plans for it suffered a major setback with the collapse of USF1. Before committing to an Argentine Grand Prix, the government in Buenos Aries wanted to see an Argentine driver, and they settled on Jose Maria Lopez. But with USF1 collapsing and Lopez returning home, it’s unlikely they’re going to get involved again without assurances, and Lopez’s relative obscurity in the motorsport community means it’s unlikely a Formula 1 team will approach him again.

        1. All of which is a real shame, because to see F1 cars screaming around that lake would be a beautiful sight, and it looks different enough that it has potential to throw up some good racing.

        2. My very favorite MotoGP track is Laguna Seca, I believe there has never been a F1 GP there, but there should be. The corkscrew turn is absolutely unique and should be a real challenge for the drivers.

          1. Laguna Seca is too short and too narrow for Formula 1.

            In fact it was too short and too narrow for CART in the 90’s.

          2. Too narrow, yes, but too short? No way. Short tracks mean more traffic and that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

          3. tralfamadore
            10th April 2010, 12:52

            Maybe if they would widen it a little…

          4. It was made longer in 1988 hoping it could host the 89 US GP, but it went to Phoenix, which was a failure btw

    2. tralfamadore
      10th April 2010, 13:05

      “the Tilke tracks are created to artificially produce good racing…”

      Artificial? So, what’s so natural about the old tracks? Did Monza or Spa grow out from a tree?

  12. Are we taking bets yet on which will actually go.
    I reckon Hungary.
    And Germany and Belgium will be offered some sort of race every 2 years deal.
    Valencia might go, although with Fernando in a Ferrari, probably not.
    Once India starts will he give up on China at last?

  13. Bahrein/Valencia/Singapore

  14. Hungary, Bahrain, Valencia, Barcelona, China.

    Turkey just about holds on, and we’ve only had 1 race at Abu Dhabi, so it’s too early to judge. Plus it wasn’t all that bad.

  15. Well I don’t think any country should routinely have two races, so Valencia was my first pick, the fact that it hasn’t provided a decent race probably would have made it my first choice anyway.

    The Catalunya circuit doesn’t really seem to provide good races either but I would like a GP in Spain.

    It would be unfair to vote for South Korea as it hasn’t hosted a GP yet, but it wouldn’t have been near the top of my list of countries to visit.

    There are some tracks which I don’t mind having a race but they are so poorly attended it is hard to justify their place on the calendar, such as Turkey.

    There are also places like Hungary which usual provide dull races but I don’t mind hosting a GP.

    Assuming we are aiming for a 20 race calendar I choose Valencia, Bahrain and Hungary. To be replaced by USA, Russia and South Africa, and probably some more changes in future too.

  16. Robert McKay
    9th April 2010, 10:16

    Pretty much most of the Tilke ones can be dropped for me. Valencia at the top, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Singapore in that order – all rubbish. Turkey is great for Turn 8 but is not the modern day Spa it was initially lauded as, the good races there dried up quickly, and the crowds are abysmal, so maybe I wouldn’t cry if it was cut.

    Shanghai is not a fantastic circuit but it rains a reasonable amount there, quite a few wet races, and the slightly-banked corner onto mega-long back straight is reasonable for passing, plus turn 1/2 is actually a little bit different. Keep, for me, just about.

    I think somehow Sepang actually looks quite good in comparison to some of these newer ones (is Tilke getting worse, or am I just used to Sepang more…), so definitely keep it.

    The sad thing is I would have once said Hungaroring is the worst track/race…but it’s ahead of quite a few races now for me (including Catalunya, which has been dreadful the last few years and does not need that silly little chicane near the end of the lap).

    But the whole thing is academic, we’re dropping Tilke circuits (bad) for what will inevitably be Tilke street races (even worse).

    Welcome to a frying pan/fire interface scenario.

  17. All of Tilke’s borefest contributions – especially Abu Dhabi

  18. I voted for Barhein, Valencia and Singapore.
    I don’t like street circuits at all. In fact I almost voted for Monaco, but it is such a legend that I left it safe…
    Spa , Monza, Suzuka, Monaco, Silverstone and Interlagos HAVE to stay.

    1. Robert McKay
      9th April 2010, 10:24

      “Spa , Monza, Suzuka, Monaco, Silverstone and Interlagos HAVE to stay.”

      I agree with that and add Montreal.

      1. I agree. Keith, can you make a poll about which circuits should stay in f1 forever?

        1. Me three, but I’d add Melbourne to the list of must haves.

  19. Went for Silverstone, Valencia, Bahrain and China. Four boring tracks I’d love to see the back of.

    Bring back Estoril & Buenos Aires!

  20. I don’t think Bahrain would have had so many votes if there hadn’t been that stinker last month.

    I don’t like China, mainly because it is too similar to Sepang. Now perhaps if they were further apart on the calendar I would be less inclined, but the sea of empty grandstands do F1 no favours.

    If China and Turkey are such amazing race tracks, some smart circuit developer (or a dim one encouraged by Smeagol) should re-create some of these features. Lets face it, Tilke normally gets a flat featureless piece of land to work on, you could easily recreate the goood features of these circuits.

    Anway enough rambling; Bahrain – why the extra bit? China/Turkey – one turn each, no fans (Turn 2/3 and 8 respectively) and no fans, Valencia…. 4 overtakes in 2 seasons…..

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