F1 Fanatic round-up: 20/5/2010

Absolutely no nudity in today’s round-up. Probably…


Peter Sauber on saving his team (Autosport, subscription required)

“Roughly speaking, our current budget is the same as in 2005. In those days we had Ferrari engines [as, ironically, the team does now], and in Petronas we had an engine sponsor. If I take the money paid to Ferrari [by Petronas] for engines, and add that to our then-budget, then we were about where we are today ?ǣ except we now pay for engines directly.”

Pick you classic Grand Prix – race seven (BBC)

A pity they couldn’t include either of the two earlier races they wanted to, but a good selection here as usual. My choice is San Marino ’81.

Comment of the day

Several commenters were unimpressed with Toyota’s explanation for why they weren’t coming back to F1. As Byron R put it…

A complete cop out. In the USA Toyota has entered into every other form of motorsport NASCAR to NHRA. I have never seen a 500 cubic inch nitro-breathing Toyota or a 350 V8 carburated Toyota engine.

Simply they couldn?t win and never would. Hard to be a front runner when they are always borrowing someone else’s design. I?m sure a 5,000 bhp top fuel engine is relevant to any road car…
Byron R

Happy birthday!

Hens love roosters, geese love ganders. Everyone else loves today’s birthday boy Ned Flanders!

On this day in F1

The Dijon-Prenois circuit held its final F1 race today in 1984.

This short, undulating French track produced a lap time of less than 59 seconds when it was first used in 1974. A slightly longer version was introduced but by the time of the last race there the turbo F1 cars were lapping it in just over a minute.

Dijon is, of course, best remembered for the epic battle between Gilles Villeneuve and Rene Arnoux in 1979. If there’s anyone left who hasn’t seen this before, you’re in for a treat:

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58 comments on F1 Fanatic round-up: 20/5/2010

  1. f1yankee said on 20th May 2010, 9:20

    happy birthday ned!

  2. rampante said on 20th May 2010, 9:23

    Auguri Ned, but it being your bithday must of confused you. How can you say the Massa battle was better than this.

    • Ned Flanders said on 20th May 2010, 10:26

      It’s amazing! They swapped position 8 times in half a lap, and there were 4 occasions where they were just millimetres apart- yet they didn’t collide. Brilliant driving from the pair of them

      The annoying thing for me though is that as I watched this race on a recording, and it cut out half way through the final lap (because the race passed the 2 hour limit), I never actually got to see this exciting moment ‘live’. Very annoying…

  3. Love the classic races. I was actually watching some really REALLY old stop motion footage of Monaco on Youtube from around the 1930’s. It inspired me to make this video of this years race :P


  4. Nathan Bradley said on 20th May 2010, 11:02

    Happy Birthday Ned! :)

  5. nik said on 20th May 2010, 11:46

    “as, ironically, the team does now”

    amazes me how often even professional journalists confuse irony with coincidence.

  6. charles fox said on 20th May 2010, 14:17

    Gotta say i respect toyota’s points:
    -America is one of its biggest markets, i believe at one point recently(before throttle-gate) the Toyota Camry was the best selling car in the US
    -competiting in every US motor sport for years would still be less than a seaon on F1, its simply better value
    -F1 is more irrelevant to the road technology due to complete lack of relevance between an F1 car and a road car, whereas as mentioned above even if only a mildly related silhouette or stickers on a stock body, a saloon/drag/stock car is more like a toyota Camry
    -F1 engine development is just as restricted as NASCAR and the like, and both have reached relative plateaus in what is achieved with comparable BMEP values and mean piston speeds (Nascars actually faster @27ms vs F1s 24-25ms) BUT MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE!

    Arguably there was some technology transfer from the F1 engine department to the “F” department for the LFA and lesser so the ISF, but realistically they could’ve done that without running an F1 engine department for 8 years.

    Still a shame though, i forgot how cool the TF109 looked. I believe Toyota along with Ferrari and others should be making cars to 2010 ACO LMP1 rules or adapting the LFA/599/612 to GT1 and owning the GT world championship, toyota have a great team @ cologne that have built a car practically capable of wining le mans, the Toyota GT-one (99-01 i believe) and for a fraction of the cost of an F1 season they could run a 3+ year programmme leading to an LMS/ALMS title and/or Le mans win with technologies a lot more relevant to a road car.

    • Glenn said on 20th May 2010, 18:36


      That is where I really see a correlation between Race cars and Road Cars. The GT/Le Mans series. Toyota with their LFA would make a great GT class car. I am also hoping for them to get back into the JGTC witht the LFA or next-gen Supra.

  7. Patrickl said on 20th May 2010, 14:24

    Best “racing” clip is of Patrese in a Honda Civic Type-R with his wife as the passenger:

    Skip to 2 minutes into the clip for her to really start enjoying the ride :)

  8. Jacob said on 20th May 2010, 15:35

    on a different note…. i work as a receptionist at coca cola uk headquarters, and to people from the mclaren team came in and had a meeting with the uk CEO…. maybe a future sponsership deal?

  9. Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 20th May 2010, 15:38

    Some news on the forum front: finally managed to get a test installation working on the new server. Next step is to see if we can get all the data across from the old forum onto the new one. If that works then we should be sorted! Will keep you updated on the progress.

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