Rate the race: Turkey

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  1. Marcin_ said on 30th May 2010, 14:37

    a bit dull, actually. waiting for rain that never materialised, only two bright points: vettel&webber crash and hamilton&button passing.

    not too many for a great race

    • Ned Flanders said on 30th May 2010, 14:48

      Are you a troll or do you honestly think that was a boring race?! I know everyone is entitled to there own opinion, but I don’t see how aanyone could find that dull

      • Marcin_ said on 30th May 2010, 14:59

        well, that’s your opinion.

        I stated why I think that, you didn’t. so before you begin insulting, try to give some arguments first.

        it’s was mainly a processional race, apart from these two things. if not for a vettel&webber duel, there wouldn’t probably be action at all.

        • Ned Flanders said on 30th May 2010, 15:13

          Well OK, sorry, but I think you’re completely wrong. I don’t think I need to explain my reasons for enjoying that race

          • Arun Srini said on 30th May 2010, 16:32

            plz ned, u dnt need to explain, this was by far one of the most awesome races in recent past, the duel between nico petrov, then petrov alonso. and the two suabers with williams in middle, the overtaking of sutil over the sauber.. this was brilliant, and oops , button waking up and overtaking hammy, that was insane, and more insane was the awesome way hammy took it back.. this was awesome evening for a f1 fanatic like me.

        • NDINYO said on 30th May 2010, 16:23

          There was plenty of excitement behind the top four especially if you had an eye on the group behind Nico particularly Alonso.

          • Mike said on 30th May 2010, 16:25

            Hard to keep an eye on it when the camera crew decides not to show it…… *grumble*

      • Sam...wise said on 30th May 2010, 15:01

        My heart was pumping throughout! I loved that. Obviously the crash was vital and the little battle with LH/JB, but also the middle of the field was interesting. It really hots it up for the next few races to come!
        I felt sorry for Lotus though, they have made some great progress with race pace, but they were unfortunate with reliability today.
        Schumi nearly on podium too!

      • “Are you a troll or do you honestly think that was a boring race?! I know everyone is entitled to there own opinion, but I don’t see how aanyone could find that dull”

        To be fair Ned, it wasn’t exactly spectacular. I’ve had friends round this afternoon to watch both the England match and the F1. We flicked between channels randomly. Watched the first 3 laps of the race, then turned over. At half time, we turned back, saw the Red Bulls muller each other, and then the McLarens go at it. As clearly they were then told not to go at it by Mr Whitmarsh, we then turned back to the football until the final 2 laps of the race. I think we caught all the exciting bits, there can’t have been much else of interest in between. 5/10.

        • Ned Flanders said on 30th May 2010, 19:03

          Oh fair enough. I’d personally put it amongst the best races I’ve seen in years, certainly one of the best dry races

        • matt90 said on 30th May 2010, 19:25

          I think you had to watch it throughout to see how close it was for so long. I can understand it appearing a bit more dull if you only flicked across to it, but from the start I found it enthralling. It wasn’t that there were loads of bits of action such as overtaking, but it was facinating watching Hamilton pushing to catch Webber and then Vettel, with Button keeping always keeping in touch.

        • LosD said on 30th May 2010, 19:38

          Is it just me reading “I didn’t really see it, but I’m going to rate it anyway”?

        • Maciek said on 30th May 2010, 19:59

          So you missed Button overtaking Hamilton and Hamilton taking the place back, huh? You can’t rate a race if you didn’t watch half of it…

        • Daffid said on 31st May 2010, 15:48

          Umm… I mean this politely, but how can you possibly watch a race like that and expect to find it exciting? This is F1, it’s about strategy, slow build up, slow positioning, then intense moments.

          Nearly the whole race was exciting viewed like that, the movements throughout the whole field were fascinating. If you only find the leader’s passing moves exciting, then F1 is clearly not for you – again, I mean that politely… and somewhat puzzled as to why you watch it.

          It’s like only watching cricket for the wickets, when the best wicket requires the bowler to think the batsman out over several overs. If you don’t watch the in-between bits you just don’t, in fact can’t get the full effect. It’s impossible. Same applies to F1. And from the poll would appear most others feel the same. But each to their own.

          • “This is F1, it’s about strategy, slow build up, slow positioning, then intense moments.”

            Then F1 really has lost its way, because chess is about strategy, slow build up, slow positioning and intense moments.

            Formula One should be about balls-to-the-wall motor racing. Super fast cars on super fast tracks. Cars side by side, overtaking, near misses from lights to flag.

            I saw the start, was fairly good, but then they all settled down to their game of follow-the-leader. When I turned back, the pit-stops had just happened, and the Red Bulls were ahead, with the McLarens following. We then flicked back and forth several times to keep track of things, and lap after lap, those 4 cars were all just following each other round. Luckily we caught the Red Bull serl-destruction. Ok, that was pretty good, don’t see team-mates in the lead take each other out very often.

            And then… we got to see some brilliant racing. Lewis and Button went at it for a whole lap and it was amazing. Then, just as quickly, Button just… dropped back… even though he was just right there, neck-and-neck. And that was it until the end.

            Lewis’ face said it all. He was in a grump because he didn;t win the race properly. Ok, that wasn’t his fault, the Red Bulls took care of that, but I bet he was glum because he knew Jenson had been told to stop racing him. Lewis is a racer, and he wants to race, and even though he won out, he wasn’t allowed to.

            Maybe I should just stop watching F1. I’m becoming like all my casual F1-watching friends, family and work collegues… every time I speak to any of them, they say how boring the race was.

            But in my 15 years of watching F1, and I’ve seen damn near every race in that time, There was no way that that race was worth an average of what seems about 8.5 out of 10. But then maybe many voters are younger than me, in their teens maybe, or just new-comers to the sport that have only known Schumacher domination and constant anti-hype in the media of the recent years about F1 being dull, which probably make the 2010 Turkish Grand Prix an 8.5/10.

            But for me, it wasn’t. It was a procession, then a crash, then a lap of dicing, then a procession. Which is why I gave it a 5. I got to see all the exciting bits, and I only watched about 15 laps.

          • I dunno, for me I would say it was a pretty exciting race. Living in Australia, with most the races starting at 10pm on Sunday night sometimes the main battle can be staying awake. Not the case with this race, it was pretty riveting; not that I’ve been watching F1 for 15 years to compare it to anything that might have happened pre Schumacher era.

            I thought the race was interesting for several reasons.

            First reason – Lewis Hamilton attacked Mark Webber on every lap for about 15 laps before the pit stop. The fact the Lewis was able to attack, and Webber was able to defend under pressure I think shows how on top of their game they both are. When two drivers can push each other to the absolute limit lap after lap without crashing into each other that is pretty exciting. It’s kind of like a really tight football (soccer) match, when both teams are so good that neither team can score.

            Second reason – The Red Bull crash. No explanation needed.

            Third reason – The McLaren Battle. Yeah it only lasted for a lap, but I don’t it was due to team orders. It was probably due to the fact the Jenson Button seems to be a pretty calm and collected character. He probably knew that if he pushed it too hard he’d end up taking himself and Lewis out throwing away a perfect 1, 2 finish.

            Fourth reason – The back markers. There was a lot of passing going on between the back markers, and having watched the entire race, I would say that the FOM did a fairly good job of showing those battles.

            Final reason – People like Alguersuari and Petrov were setting fastest laps, which suggests every driver on that circuit was pushing themselves to the absolute limit. How can racing get much better? In how many series is a mid field team able to set the fastest lap? It shows how tight and competitive everything is, and I’ll take that for my excitement over 58 changes of leading driver any day.

          • Daffid said on 1st June 2010, 1:05

            Nope, I’m in my 40s, been watching F1 over 30 years. And F1 has always been about strategy, slow build up and intense moments – that’s not a new development. Pit-stop strategy, managing fuel and tyres, waiting for the one moment would all have sounded familiar to Fangio.

            I’d agree it’s also about “balls-to-the-wall motor racing. Super fast cars on super fast tracks. Cars side by side, overtaking, near misses from lights to flag” and I think we got most of those in that race, perhaps not so much of the last one, but I’ve seen plenty worse.

            I’d agree it’s never quite going to have the thrill of some bygone days, largely because most of the danger has gone, but I watch F1 precisely because it’s like chess, (which can be very exciting – the karpov v kasparov matches were unmissable) I like sport that engages the brain as well, and maintains a narrative.

            But thanks for the detailed reply. I gave it an 8, just couldn’t figure out the 1-3s

          • thestig84 said on 1st June 2010, 18:12

            Ha ha what is even funnier than ajokay rating a race that wasnt even watched fully is that they watched the most boring/frustrating and overrated football team stumble past Japan instead of one of the best most intense races for year. Lol good choice yeah!

    • MigueLP said on 30th May 2010, 15:03

      bad race again redbull is spoiling the champ I CANT BELIEVE HOW MCLAREN WON 3 RACES AND 2 DOUBLES they dont have the pace but they HAVE THE LUCK BUTTON HAS BEEN DISAPPOINTING BUT SMART AND LUCKY HAM UNLUCKY BUT TODAY VERY LUCKY.Race redbull were smart to get vettel in early cause they knew when the tyres were going to work on his out lap vettel did the fastest lap so mclaren mistake on pits wasnt crucial maybe ham should have came in earlier their extra engine(f duct the fia mistake) would give them the advantage needed to win but not this way

      • MigueLP said on 30th May 2010, 15:03

        ferrari sadly disappointing

      • Pondaar said on 30th May 2010, 21:07

        Your point really comes along quite nicely when you uppercase it. It makes it a great joy to read…

        Anyway, great race with good action. A definite ten from me.

    • Prateek727 said on 30th May 2010, 15:24

      You can’t really exclude the pivotal moments of the race and say “Apart from that, it was dull” :O

      • David said on 30th May 2010, 15:44

        Sure he can. Marcin also feels sex is very dull, other than the interaction between man and woman.

    • TommyC said on 31st May 2010, 1:37

      i have to say, i think people are just getting a bit carried away by the whole lack of overtaking in F1 argument to the point they are now just generating some unreasonable expectations of what a race should be. I was on the edge of my seat for that whole race. it felt like i was only watching for half an hour cause there was always something happening. I can’t think of where it could possibly be labelled as ‘processional’. We saw some great fights, some accidents and some genuinely good overtaking. I can’t work out what was lacking.

      There’s your reasoning there Ned.

  2. Robbie said on 30th May 2010, 14:37

    9. Very dramatic and tense and there were some really superb battles in there, particularly the McLarens and Red Bulls. Just great.

    • MigueLP said on 30th May 2010, 15:05

      non biased rating for the race RATING-5 the finish spoiled the action the fight never materialised

      • matt90 said on 30th May 2010, 15:11

        The fight never materialised? Vettel hitting Webber and then Hamilton racing Button was the mateialization of the fight! Maybe we missed seeing Hamilton try and get past Vettel, but not necessarily anyway.

        • Mike said on 30th May 2010, 16:22

          Maybe he is under the impression that every race should be like Gilles and Arnoux in Dijon eh?

          • Arun Srini said on 30th May 2010, 16:33

            well said mike, but then i wouldn’t complain if every race was like that :)

  3. Ninad said on 30th May 2010, 14:40

    7. Some good overtakings and team battles!!

  4. todd said on 30th May 2010, 14:42

    here comes the British rating it high, really, aside from the win and 2 very small fights, there was no mid field changes, not real racing. fairly boring race.

    • Icarus said on 30th May 2010, 14:48

      I am not British but have to disagree with you, there was always some action during the race.

    • matt90 said on 30th May 2010, 14:59

      Just because their weren’t many overtakes doesn’t make it boring. It was a facinating battle all the way. How often are the top 4 cars covered by less than 3 seconds? Especially for the majority of the race. Watching the saubers with the williams and toro rosso at the end was good. Alonso on Petrov. It was nice to see Senna run well until he retired. One of the lotuses almost managing to come back against a williams. Great race.

      • George said on 30th May 2010, 22:02

        It’s worth mentioning that with the McLarens behind the Red Bulls there was always a chance of overtaking for the lead since they have such a large straight line advantage, enthralling race. I gave it an 8/10, although for a dry race it possibly deserves 10.

    • bad_whippet said on 30th May 2010, 15:12

      @ todd

      No offence mate, but so what if the British are rating it highly? McLaren are a British team and both their drivers are…

      It makes perfect sense for the Brits to be happy with the result.

      Apart from which, it really wasn’t a bad race over all.

      Why do people always write this rubbish?

      • wasiF1 said on 31st May 2010, 9:16

        @ todd
        With due respect your comment if this race is boring to you then please tell me which race was the best?

  5. nemo said on 30th May 2010, 14:43

    ..loved it. superb race

    im shattered now haha. well done lewis..!

  6. rmac923 said on 30th May 2010, 14:43

    9

    Beginning was dull, but the Macs keeping pace with the Red Bulls effected every bit of excitement in the 2nd half.

  7. Ned Flanders said on 30th May 2010, 14:44

    Best race that wasn’t either wet or SC affected since…?

    • Ned Flanders said on 30th May 2010, 14:45

      Imola 2005 perhaps?

      • steph said on 30th May 2010, 14:55

        I’d say so although there were a few drops of rain here but technically I guess not rain affected! (I’m pedantic :P )

    • Maciek said on 30th May 2010, 19:58

      Absolutely agree Ned. Gripping stuff that really showed that overtaking indeed isn’t the holy grail, but the tantalizing, sustained possibility of it is. I could have appreciated more action between Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari, but we got to see some backmarker action. I loved pretty much every minute of this one.

  8. Bud said on 30th May 2010, 14:44

    Nine laps to go and racing at the sharp end, can’t be bad !
    Gave it a 9.

  9. Robbie said on 30th May 2010, 14:45

    None of the drivers on the podium looked very happy did they? Lewis normally jumps up and down and smiles massively. He didn’t even pose for the press when he got out of the car.

  10. Klon said on 30th May 2010, 14:45

    I think it’s actually a 8 or a 9, but I gave it a 10 for being in Turkey, I’m very surprised that this track gave us such a good race

    • David said on 30th May 2010, 15:39

      Uh, why? Other than last year, Turkey has always produced good racing since its such a good track.

      • Klon said on 30th May 2010, 18:46

        Not really, it’s a poor-man’s rip off with good corners packed and glued together with mediocrity, a pathetic Interlagos Turn 1 rip-off and Faux Rouge as examples. The only thing remotely noteworthy is Turn 8.

        I don’t know why many people see this as Tilke’s best work if there are quite some better circuits he has made: Aragon and Shanghai just as examples.

  11. Xanathos said on 30th May 2010, 14:46

    I gave it a 10.

    The race was exciting from start to finish, even without the rain. Also some nice duels further down the field.

  12. razer19 said on 30th May 2010, 14:49

    I don’t like Mclaren or either of their drivers, but I rated it 10 anyways. Good action and drama.

  13. Sam said on 30th May 2010, 14:51

    Its awesome how everyone wanted this race gone a few weeks ago but everyone rated this race a 10 :) Very dull race, two fantastic team battles, too bad the mclarens didnt hit each other as well, couldve been nice to see rain or schumacher on the podium.

  14. 10 out of 10, would be higher if it could be!

    Gutted for Red Bull taking each other out, more vital points lost but it was amazing to see a battle for the lead. I can’t remember the last time we got a battle for the lead!

    Then when Button was battling Hamilton I just couldn’t believe it after what had happened before with Red Bull. Action and excitement from start to finish. AWESOME!

  15. steph said on 30th May 2010, 14:53

    9 exciting race. Terrific actually. I’ll be honeest and say I didn’t like the result but that has no reflection on how exciting the race was.

    I’d say Vettel’s fault. Mark didn’t actually yield but if they weren’t teammates he wouldn’t have even gave him that much room. I thinmk Vettel was a bit overconfident, when Ham tried to get round him early on he tried to move right too but Ham moved across and got his braking wrong so Vettel hung on. I think Vet thought he was either clear or could do the same and put pressure on Mark. He shouldn’t be demonised for it but he got it very wrong in my opinion.

    It wasn’t the conventional way to win a race but Mclaren and in particular, lewis kept their heads when everyone else fluffed it this weekend so congrats to them.

    I have to add though that I’m seriously depressed; blooming heck everyone was so miserable. A depressed podium, distraught RBR, Lotus and Bruno retired, di Grassi had issues, Ferrari mediocre, petrov puncture. The best race in a long time and you’d think it was the worst by the reactions.

    • steph said on 30th May 2010, 14:56

      Mark wasn’t a saint either as he left the door wide open and maybe he shouldn’t have defended so hard

      • OEL said on 31st May 2010, 8:39

        Webber wanted to win, and forced Vettel to out-brake himself or brake early so Webber could retain the lead. He had no reason to let Vettel pass him, they are fighting for the championship! Vettel just tried to take the clean line, without watching Webber and just expecting to get a clear track. Stupid move from Vettel in my opinion.

    • sliqrz said on 30th May 2010, 16:45

      I think every1 on the podium felt that way due to the manners the winners won. Hamilton especially would’ve preffered to win it fair and square.

    • Tony said on 30th May 2010, 16:50

      Indeed, interesting strategy from Vettel. It looks to have worked on Ham, put him off and he then missed braking (I heard Ham made some comment about it too, didn’t catch it though).

      BBC post-race mentioned rumours that Red Bull also told Webber to turn down the engine just before, so they really have a mess on their hands too.

      Looks like Ham really thought Button wasn’t supposed to be overtaking him either, judging by the post-race stuff – all made aftermath nearly as interesting as the race (which wasn’t too shabby in itself).

      • Maciek said on 30th May 2010, 20:03

        Yeah, I couldn’t really figure out what the attitudes were all about, but if you think about it the team did tell Hamilton and Button simultaneously to ‘conserve fuel’, ahem, hem. Anyhoo, their battle was great.

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