Ten drivers get penalties, Alonso and Rosberg gain extra points (Updated)

Nine drivers have been handed time penalties after the European Grand Prix.

All the drivers investigated for the speed behind the safety car received five-second penalties: Jenson Button, Nico H???lkenberg, Rubens Barrichello, Robert Kubica, Vitaly Petrov, Adrian Sutil, Vitantonio Liuzzi, Sebastien Buemi and Pedro de la Rosa.

Timo Glock also got a 20 second penalty for ignoring blue flags.

The penalties promote Fernando Alonso ahead of Buemi and Nico Rosberg claims the final point instead of Pedro de la Rosa.

Update: the stewards explained the punishments as follows:

The Stewards received a report from the Race Director regarding [the cars] failing to stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU when the Safety Car was deployed,

The Stewards met with the [drivers and team representatives], considered the evidence and decided that this was a breach of Article 40.7 of the 2010 Formula One Sporting Regulations.

Article 40.7 of the sporting regulations says:

All competing cars must then reduce speed and form up in line behind the safety car no more than ten car lengths apart. In order to ensure that drivers reduce speed sufficiently, from the time at which the ??SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED?? message is shown on the timing monitors until the time that each car crosses the first safety car line for the first time, drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU.

Nico Rosberg escaped a penalty for a similar infringement in the Japanese Grand Prix last year when the stewards decided he had not been able to see the target lap time.

Here is the revised finishing order of the race:

Pos. # Driver Team
1 5 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull
2 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren
3 1 Jenson Button McLaren
4 9 Rubens Barrichello Williams
5 11 Robert Kubica Renault
6 14 Adrian Sutil Force India
7 23 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber
8 8 Fernando Alonso Ferrari
9 16 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso
10 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes
11 7 Felipe Massa Ferrari
12 22 Pedro de la Rosa Sauber
13 17 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso
14 12 Vitaly Petrov Renault
15 3 Michael Schumacher Mercedes
16 15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India
17 25 Lucas di Grassi Virgin
18 24 Timo Glock Virgin
19 20 Karun Chandhok HRT
20 21 Bruno Senna HRT
21 18 Jarno Trulli Lotus

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151 comments on Ten drivers get penalties, Alonso and Rosberg gain extra points (Updated)

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  1. Manu said on 27th June 2010, 17:40

    5 second-penalties? What a joke…

    • Damon said on 27th June 2010, 17:43

      Why is that?
      How much did they gain with what they did? More than 5sec?

      • Fer no.65 said on 27th June 2010, 18:19

        if there’s a SC period, it’s because something’s happening on the track… you cannot go flat out, as there might be people working on track…

        it’s not safe… 5 secs penalty isn’t a penalty… i didn’t know they were allowed to send 5 secs penalties… why didn’t MSC got a 5 sec penalty at Monaco then? they handed him a 20 sec penalty because they said it was the only thing they could give him, as they cannot impose position penalties.

        20 secs is like a drive through. 5 secs is like nothing!

        • nelly said on 27th June 2010, 18:43

          Yeah I agree. I actually thought the schumacher penalty was fair if it was the only thing they could possibly give him as I thought they had no choice but to obey the rules in front of them… but after tweaking set in stone penalties for this incident it was obviously unfair. So much for fair stewarding!

          • US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 27th June 2010, 19:09

            Yeah, this is pretty ridiculous. I thought SC incidents were supposed to be treated more seriously, hence Schumacher’s penalty at Monaco. These drivers should have been treated the same.

          • Tiomkin said on 27th June 2010, 19:19

            Its called ‘pro’ stewarding. Like the refs in pro wrestling. One guy gets disqualified for a foreign object in the ring. When another wields a baseball bat and wins the championship.

            Same thing here. It’s all ‘for the show’. The rules are made up as we go along.

        • macahan (@macahan) said on 27th June 2010, 21:10

          According to the rule they failed to stay ABOVE the the MINIMUM time set. In other words they drove to SLOWLY.
          Not knowing the exact distance between the cars etc (because it was failed to be shown on TV) some of the penalties might been unfair handed out because another driver caught up with driver in front of him driving to slow and causing himself to drive to slow to obey the no overtaking rule. One would assume this was made sure wasn’t the case but after all it’s FIA we are talking about so that thought might never crossed their minds..

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 27th June 2010, 23:08

            “According to the rule they failed to stay ABOVE the the MINIMUM time set. In other words they drove to SLOWLY.”

            No, falling below (or failing to stay above) a mimimum time means they were driving too fast.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 27th June 2010, 22:07

          Did you hear Jenson explaining his situation in the press conference? He got the message with one corner to go so only sudden and massive braking in a high speed turn would have had him stay in that time.
          Certainly no bigger penalty would have been appropriate. Maybe it was likewise for most others as well. And it did get Alonso another place.

          • Fer no.65 said on 28th June 2010, 3:38

            Fair enough…

            But there was a better explanation at Monaco with the Schum-overtaking manouvre… even if FIA admited the rules weren’t clear enough, they handed him a 20 sec penalty…

            but for breaking the rules (they did it… call it whatever you want, but they did it) they only got 5 secs penalties? half a race where nobody knew where they would eventually be classified…

            isn’t there just ONE set of penalties FIA can impose? why creating a new one if they didn’t do it at Monaco?

      • bananarama said on 27th June 2010, 18:45

        After the Schumacher incident I accepted 20s as a penalty because it was said that 20 or 25 seconds are their only options. Now they invent a new option .. FIA is a joke ..

        • They have been doing this for 60 years and the FIA still cannot figure this out. They need to keep the same stewards from race to race. The fact that the FIA has different (local) stewards for each race leads to inconsistencies that make the sport look like a joke.

          This race in terms of race directorship and stewarding was a disaster. Todt must figure out how to fix this!!

          • d-d said on 27th June 2010, 22:23

            it’s not stewards who are the problem. The problem’s name is Charlie Whiting, race director. He notifies stewards about who did breach the rules.

            Too often his decisions allow Hamilton to gain positions and his eventual “punishments” are a joke.
            The list is pretty long now: waving from Petrov in Malaysia (punishment: unporty behavior), pushing out Webber off track in China during SC (unpunished), racing across safety line in pits in China (warning), the same recidive in Canada (not punished at all even no warning as if it is safe driving), and now farce punishmnet in Valencia. Remind me if I forgot something.

            I wonder how teams pumping so big millions in this sport allow that Whiting to continue manipulating the races.

          • d-d this your first year of F1 then? Well if Charlies manipulating for Hamilton can’t think what he was doing in 07/8 and 9.

            OH YEAH EXACTLY THE SAME JOB, an yet Hamilton was punished all over the place, these it’s all for Hamilton nuts are getting beyond a joke now.

    • johnno said on 27th June 2010, 18:04

      LOL at how angry ferrari will be! What a gutter of a race they had.

      • Phil said on 28th June 2010, 2:51

        When Hamilton pushed Webber off in China, it was because Vettel had pushed Hamilton over!

    • Ady said on 27th June 2010, 18:51

      It depends on the severity of the rule breach. Perhaps it was like doing 31mph in a 30 zone. A minor offence that wouldn’t normally be contested.

      Without seeing the lap times myself, I will leave this to the stewards.

    • miguelF1O (@) said on 28th June 2010, 2:03

      THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS the only 2 things that could make sense would be penalising or dsq all 10 drivers 9 about the in lap time and ham for disrespecting the safety car and getting away with a minor penalty. i think from now on every driver should ignore safety car because the penalty for doing that is minimal

      • Mike said on 28th June 2010, 4:22

        Yes they should definitely disqualify all 9 drivers. because that won’t prompt people to say it’s unfair will it?

        I seriously hope you are a troll.

  2. I thought the only options to the stewards were grid penalties, or 20 (drive-through) or 30 (stop-go) seconds added to the race time…

    • Chevy said on 27th June 2010, 18:34

      gree, Ed,

      20 seconds, 30 seconds or grid penalties in the next race are the only penalty options available to the stewards. 5 second penalties? It looks like the stewards are not following the rules!

      This comes from:
      http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/8683/fia.html

      16.3 The stewards may impose any one of three penalties on any driver involved in an Incident:
      a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping;
      b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds and then re-join the race.
      c) a drop of any number of grid positions at the driver’s next Event.
      However, should either of the penalties under a) and b) above be imposed during the last five laps, or after the end of a race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 20 seconds will be added to the elapsed race time of the driver concerned in the case of a) above and 30 seconds in the case of b).
      16.4 Should the stewards decide to impose either of the penalties under Article 16.3a) or b), the following procedure will be followed :
      a) The stewards will give written notification of the penalty which has been imposed to the competitor concerned and will ensure that this information is also displayed on the timing monitors.
      b) From the time the stewards’ decision is notified on the timing monitors the relevant driver may cross the Line on the track no more than twice before entering the pit lane and, in the case of a penalty under Article 16.3b), proceeding to his garage where he shall remain for the period of the time penalty.
      However, unless the driver was already in the pit entry for the purpose of serving his penalty, he may not carry out the penalty after the safety car has been deployed. The number of times the driver crosses the Line behind the safety car will be added to the maximum number of times he may cross the Line on the track.
      Whilst a car is stationary in the pit lane as a result of incurring a time penalty it may not be worked on. However, if the engine stops it may be started after the time penalty period has elapsed.
      c) When the time penalty period has elapsed the driver may rejoin the race.
      d) Any breach or failure to comply with Articles 16.4b) or c) may result in the car being excluded.

      • bernification said on 27th June 2010, 23:54

        Chevy, correct.
        Feel for Kobaiashi, great drive deserving of a podium.
        Never, ever heard of 5 sec penalties.

        Rubbish

        • todd said on 28th June 2010, 3:26

          how much of a time penalty to impose is at the stewards discretion.

          20 seconds etc is the general rule, but ultimately it’s up to them how many seconds.

          5 does suck though, kamui should deserved a couple extra points for his massive – faultless drive… and 2 overtakes.

        • RandomChimp (@randomchimp) said on 28th June 2010, 8:15

          Had it even been a 30 second penalty for the nine drivers, Button would still be ahead of Kobayashi so unfortubately no podium for him, whatever penalties were given.

  3. Neil said on 27th June 2010, 17:41

    Five second penalties? What the hell?

    The proper thing to do would have been to give them ALL drive through penalties during the race. A five second penalty applied afterwards is NOT the same.

    If an incident happens during the race where someone deserves to be penalised (except if it is at the very, very end) then a penalty should be given during the race.

  4. TommyB (@tommyb89) said on 27th June 2010, 17:42

    5 second penalties? How stupid.

  5. I have a feeling they were deciding what penalties they will give not to upset the finishing order too much. I’m still not too sure what have they done wrong to be honest.

    • Mike said on 28th June 2010, 4:28

      I agree, no penalty and it doesn’t set a good example. I think people are just complaining because they enjoy it. Yeah I’d like koby to get 3rd as well, but that wouldn’t make 100 second penalties fair would it?

      I see this as more of a warning shot, with the stewards saying, right chaps, this time you get away with it, but next time *shakes fist*.

  6. sumedh said on 27th June 2010, 17:45

    I am gonna use CAPSLOCK now.

    WHERE WAS THIS PENALTY WHEN SCHUMACHER OVERTOOK ALONSO!!!

    • Ben Curly said on 27th June 2010, 17:50

      Maybe they introduced it after Schumacher incident, as it clearly showed us that 20 second penalty can sometimes be too much.

      • KNF said on 27th June 2010, 17:55

        The stewards probably erred on the side of caution after seeing the rage which arose from that Monaco incident.

        Remember during the Max era when we wouldn’t know the race winner until some days after the chequered flag (Spa 2008, Interlagos 2003)?

        Also maybe if they set a time faster than the delta to SC time required, the difference could have been docked instead.

      • Japaf1 said on 27th June 2010, 21:49

        “Maybe they introduced it after Schumacher incident, as it clearly showed us that 20 second penalty can sometimes be too much.”

        They should have realised that after Spa 2008!

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 27th June 2010, 22:10

          How True! But still i am glad they did. I am not too sure, there was any major infringement of a rule going on here and giving half of the cars making the finish a severe penalty would have made the race a farce.

          It might just be they did clear this internally after the Schumi incident in Monaco, that would be another good thing about that incident. At the time a lot of guys showed the FIA rulebook offering other penalties than just those in the sporting regulations.

          • bernification said on 27th June 2010, 23:56

            If they cleared this after, they should have informed the teams and the viewing public.
            It’s only right.

          • Daniel said on 28th June 2010, 1:41

            bernification is right.

            You can’t make up new rules/penalties in the stewards room.

            Breaching the rules, if it is by accident, is a driving mistake. It is a mistake that costs you 20 or 30 seconds. This is what everyone knows and expects.

            If the drivers breached the regulations then they must be punished in accordance with the regulations. Whatever is written down is what is fair, because you’ve been forewarned.

  7. I’m still waiting for the -4 goal penalty Germany are due for allowing the ball to cross the while line at the entracne to the goal-lane, un-seen to the referee. But of course that won’t happen, because you can’t change the outcome of something once it’s finished. That would just show you that the rules you have applied to that something have more grey areas than a ‘Just For Men’ advert, making your sport and the rules for your sport look rather stupid.

  8. Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 27th June 2010, 17:47

    And yet a 2-second penalty for Schumacher at Monaco wasn’t an option? These penalties are even more meaningless than the critics of reprimands say those are!

    Driving too fast under a Safety Car is a safety issue, and they should have been punished as they would have been in the race, as Hamilton was in the race.

    • d-d said on 27th June 2010, 17:59

      Hey, may I remind you accident with Hamilton in Canada? – he was intentionally left in pitlane whuile Alonso was on the passing lane, and yet he fetl comfortable to continue racing all the pits despite being on wrong part of the lane and crossing safety line.
      Something he already received a warnign in China.

      However race director Chsarlie Whiting didn’t even send this case to consideration by judges. What a creative director, indeed.

      • What exactly did Hamilton do wrong in either of those situations? In both cases you could argue there was an unsafe release (although I believe that doesn’t hold up when the pits are connected like in Canada), which is a decision Hamilton has absolutely no part in.

        I think Hamilton in both cases and Alonso in Canada didn’t drive dangerously. Vettel pulled a pretty nasty move on Hamilton in the pits in China though, which I quite liked at the time. :P

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 27th June 2010, 22:13

      I think the FIA might have instructed the Stewards, that in cases like this it IS allowed not to punish according to sporting regulations but using the more flexibly worded general rules (those were discussed after the Monaco incident in detail)

      But it certainly would have been appropriate do use a 1 or 2 second penalty for Schumi in Monaco.

  9. mvi said on 27th June 2010, 17:47

    Rats! Such insipid little ‘penalties’ to keep the order more or less intact, I guess. I was looking forward to seeing Kobayashi in third.

  10. Cyclops said on 27th June 2010, 17:48

    What the hell? I think stewards have today some kind of all fools day. It’s the second time when they give a joke of a penalty, just as it was with Hamilton. Gentlemen, make up your mind! Either you give a penalty or you don’t!

  11. Juan H said on 27th June 2010, 17:48

    So, Fernando, next time remember to pass the sc too!

  12. Robbie said on 27th June 2010, 17:48

    Wow, quick on the news there. It’s not on the BBC yet, it’s not even on the official F1 site yet. Hurray for F1 Fanatic.

  13. Ben Curly said on 27th June 2010, 17:48

    Surprisingly good judgment in this case. They didn’t gain much by speeding behind the safety car, so they surely didn’t deserve 20 sec penalties, yet simple reprimand wouldn’t be enough in my opinion. Very good decision.

    • theo said on 27th June 2010, 18:00

      BEN CURLY = STUPID

      • Ben Curly said on 27th June 2010, 18:07

        Now stop for a second and think. Does that comment say more about me, or about you?

      • David-A (@david-a) said on 27th June 2010, 18:21

        “Now stop for a second and think. Does that comment say more about me, or about you?”

        You see, theo, how easily your immature comment was to counter?

        I agree with Ben Curly, because they didn’t gain a ridiculous amount of time or positions by being a bit too fast under the safety car. Though such common sense would have been nice to have for Spa 2008, Australia 2009, Monaco 2010, etc.

        • Karan said on 28th June 2010, 2:07

          I would like to see a little consistency in the punishments the stewards give out. Giving MSC 20 seconds DURING a safety car period killed his race. 5 seconds for breaking a rule is stupid.

      • Franton said on 27th June 2010, 18:42

        obvious troll is obvious

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 27th June 2010, 22:15

        For me it makes perfect sense what Ben Curly writes there, who’s stupid here?

        Only a shame they did not use this kind of penalty in earlier cases (spa 2008, Monaco 2010 and probably lot’s of other cases)

    • Macca77 said on 27th June 2010, 19:27

      Do you think MSC should have a 20sec penalty in Monaco for passing Alonso ? The rules state 20 or 30 sec penalty, not 5.

      • Ben Curly said on 27th June 2010, 19:37

        I know, and I think that 20 seconds for MSC was completely unfair. I think today’s decision is much more sensible, even if it is against the rules. I think it sets a good precedence for the future.

        • Tiomkin said on 27th June 2010, 19:43

          You (the FIA) can’t just make up new rules to suit every situation. If that was the case, there would be no rules.

          The penalties are written in rules. They should follow them. MSC punishment was hard to swallow but was accepted because the punishment was by the rule book.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 27th June 2010, 22:17

            I think there were quite a lot of comments on the Monaco incident stating the more broadly defined options to the Stewards in the more general FIA rulebook allowing for “any time penalty staded in seconds”.

            Maybe that incident actually made the FIA realize and communicate to the Stewards, that it is possible to use other than those 3 options in the sporting regulations.

    • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 28th June 2010, 1:02

      Well the issue is not gaining time but one of safety – at least, that’s why the rule’s there, personally I don’t see why the whole lap has to be over a certain time, just the sector the incident occurred in.

  14. hamilzors said on 27th June 2010, 17:49

    The Valencia grandprix was a FARCE. And I am not a ferrarist. Those who stole gained positions and points, those who played by the rules got almost nothing. Hamilton penalized as soon as his 2nd place was safe, the others penalized by 5 seconds when their breaking the rules gave them gains of 20+ seconds? I feel more cheated than at Singapore 08.

    • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 27th June 2010, 17:56

      Hamilton was penalised before his 2nd place was safe. It was up to him to wait 2 laps to try and increase the gap.

      And your last sentence really destroys your own argument.

  15. Slim said on 27th June 2010, 17:52

    i think it is BS that the stewards are allowed to change the final results once the race is over if they have to IT MUST BE DONE DURING THE RACE!

    • Exactly. There is absolutely no reason this couldn’t have been done during the race. F1 is the only sporting event in the world where you have to check six hours later to see if the finishing results you witnessed live were changed afterwards.

      • Slim said on 27th June 2010, 18:01

        I know. I for one dont want to sit around waiting to see if my favorite drivers are getting screwed out of positions. Also in other sports penalties are given before play resumes otherwise the penalties are negated

      • Daniel said on 28th June 2010, 2:15

        So, what about scrutineering then? Lots of technical sports have results changed when someone fails scrutineering after the event.

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