Ten drivers get penalties, Alonso and Rosberg gain extra points (Updated)

Nine drivers have been handed time penalties after the European Grand Prix.

All the drivers investigated for the speed behind the safety car received five-second penalties: Jenson Button, Nico H???lkenberg, Rubens Barrichello, Robert Kubica, Vitaly Petrov, Adrian Sutil, Vitantonio Liuzzi, Sebastien Buemi and Pedro de la Rosa.

Timo Glock also got a 20 second penalty for ignoring blue flags.

The penalties promote Fernando Alonso ahead of Buemi and Nico Rosberg claims the final point instead of Pedro de la Rosa.

Update: the stewards explained the punishments as follows:

The Stewards received a report from the Race Director regarding [the cars] failing to stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU when the Safety Car was deployed,

The Stewards met with the [drivers and team representatives], considered the evidence and decided that this was a breach of Article 40.7 of the 2010 Formula One Sporting Regulations.

Article 40.7 of the sporting regulations says:

All competing cars must then reduce speed and form up in line behind the safety car no more than ten car lengths apart. In order to ensure that drivers reduce speed sufficiently, from the time at which the ??SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED?? message is shown on the timing monitors until the time that each car crosses the first safety car line for the first time, drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU.

Nico Rosberg escaped a penalty for a similar infringement in the Japanese Grand Prix last year when the stewards decided he had not been able to see the target lap time.

Here is the revised finishing order of the race:

Pos. # Driver Team
1 5 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull
2 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren
3 1 Jenson Button McLaren
4 9 Rubens Barrichello Williams
5 11 Robert Kubica Renault
6 14 Adrian Sutil Force India
7 23 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber
8 8 Fernando Alonso Ferrari
9 16 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso
10 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes
11 7 Felipe Massa Ferrari
12 22 Pedro de la Rosa Sauber
13 17 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso
14 12 Vitaly Petrov Renault
15 3 Michael Schumacher Mercedes
16 15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India
17 25 Lucas di Grassi Virgin
18 24 Timo Glock Virgin
19 20 Karun Chandhok HRT
20 21 Bruno Senna HRT
21 18 Jarno Trulli Lotus

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151 comments on Ten drivers get penalties, Alonso and Rosberg gain extra points (Updated)

  1. razer13 said on 27th June 2010, 17:53

    Yes, I agree, this is a complete joke. Even Brundle said during the race that it would be 20-30 sec if penalties were handed out. I mean, something definately must of happened if Alonso and Massa were negated way back in the field. Schumacher must also be fuming after what happened to him in Monaco getting a 20 sec penalty.

  2. Lee Sharp said on 27th June 2010, 17:56

    this is a joke, i thought the only penalty they had available to them post race was the equivalent of a drive through? so 20 seconds?

    • They can only have changed the rules silly, this probably came from the Schuey Monaco incident, surley this is a good thing for F1.

  3. AlexNK said on 27th June 2010, 17:56

    And they said after Monaco that it was either 20 sec or grid penalty for Schumi? Anyone still believes that Hill was totally impartial? What a joke!

  4. ElChiva said on 27th June 2010, 17:57

    what a shameful decision from FIA. They are an embarrasment for the sport, fixing races like this from the official body puts singapore 08 into new perspective. Time for Mr. Withing to go IMHO.

  5. theo said on 27th June 2010, 17:58

    big joke, F1 is a big joke these days, no clarification, no clear rules and old men with white hair in race control making bad, SLOW decisions.

    For such a wealthy sport its embarrassingly run!

    • Scribe (@scribe) said on 28th June 2010, 21:47

      Your so wrong, F1’s stewarding has improved in leaps and bounds this season, it’s still far from perfect but think about this.

      Schumacher gets a harsh penalty in Monaco, following a WMSC meeting a new penalty seems to have appeared which allows Stewards to be less servear in cases of only mild infringement. That’s excellent progress.

  6. matt88 (@matt88) said on 27th June 2010, 18:01

    Ab-so-lutely… FURIOUS!

  7. Racer (@racer) said on 27th June 2010, 18:03

    How can Hulkenberg have got a penalty when he didn’t even finish?

  8. Bullfrog said on 27th June 2010, 18:07

    Well I hope Frentzen missed the whole England-Germany match for that stewards’ meeting.

    What a messy race, one to forget about and move on. Big thumbs-up for Kobayashi though, and thank God Webber’s OK.

  9. East Londoner said on 27th June 2010, 18:10

    Race results changed after the race like this are an absolute farce. Why not give the drivers grid penalties instead? I just don’t understand why they don’t just get rid of all the idiots at the FIA and replace them with more competent people. It feels a bit like the 1994 season, where the FIA was banning and fining drivers/teams for minor racing incidents almost so they could get a kick out of it because it’s fun to them.

  10. 17 points in two races said on 27th June 2010, 18:12

    Let´s go boys, everyone breaking rules if you get more…

    Charlie Whiting must be fired right now!!

  11. What a joke, f1 just gets worse and worse. Can we not get back to the motor racing? Too many gimmicks and controversial decisions in f1 now.

    How can they only get a 5 sec penalty?
    should have been a drive through which is a 20 sec time addition if given after a race.

    • So you want more motor racing yet call for an increased importance of (post race) penalties.

      I’m really interested in seeing how much too fast the drivers actually went in the lap(s) in question. I wouldn’t be surprised if the speeding didn’t actually make any difference in the race, which makes 5 seconds a pragmatic penalty seeing how two drivers lost a point to the advantage of drivers who didn’t speed.

      If anything penalties like this encourage mottorracing. As soon as you make penalties – especially those awarded post race – completely disproportional to the damage the ‘risk’ will less likely be worth the reward.

      It’s simply the way the FIA operates now. You penalize accordingly, not excessively, to encourage the desired kind of behavior which so far seems to have produced closer and more exciting racing.

      Repression never works anyway.

    • Dipak T said on 28th June 2010, 22:32

      I think for Kubica and Button even 5 seconds was harsh, seeing as he was in the last corner and going into the pits – what was he supposed to do, brake harshly and go round the cornere at a dangerously slow speed?

      What should have been handed down is increasing the penalties incrementally as you go further down the order. That way those who were halfway through the sector and had ample opportunity to slow down are punished more that the ones who were quite literally at the end of the lap.

  12. Johann said on 27th June 2010, 18:14

    I understand that the FIA is trying to bring consistency to its rulings since things were that bad but this beggars belief. You ignore a vital safety issue and get slapped with a paltry time penalty after the race has ended and most fans have left- were the so ashamed of what they were doing that they “hid” it in such a manner? Stonking good race by that “Mad man from Japan” Kamui Kobayash though.

    • Ady said on 27th June 2010, 18:37

      I would like to see the lap times. It might be the same as doing 31 Mph in a 30 Mph zone, it’s technicaly against the law, but the police won’t pull you over for it.

      I’d also like to see how these times compare to other races, as this might be quite common, however because a team made a complaint, the issue had to be investigated.

  13. Pedro Andrade said on 27th June 2010, 18:15

    The decision to hand 5 second penalties is weird because I didn’t even know it could be done!

    To me the most shocking thing is the ammount of time the stewards always take to hand down even the most simple of penalties. I know people don’t like it when someone talks about football, but there the referee takes an almost instant decision – I know the game is a lot easier to follow, and they may make more mistakes (England sure do have something to complain about!), but the way things are done in F1 are just not good enough.

  14. djdaveyp said on 27th June 2010, 18:15

    Maybe they took Ferrari’s insulting winge into account and decided that they didn’t want to look weak.

    Tbh, I’ve had enough of Ferrari’s outbursts this season. They are the only team that do it. Thing is they don’t have any weight to throw around anymore.

  15. Antifia said on 27th June 2010, 18:22

    Weird race, but weirder still the sort of bias one has to endure during the BBC broadcasts. Lewis was clearly trying to time his going with the safety car to go in front of it while keeping Alonso behind – he mistimed it a bit (really by a couple of meters) and got himself in trouble. But the intent to get one over Alonso and Massa was clear. Having said that, one could say that although unethical, it is probably not illegal…Anyway, Brundel & Co went out of their way to exonerate LH from any taint — as they always do. And then comes David Coultard again…what is it between him and Webber – do they cuddle? It is clearly Webber’s duty keep it safe while trying to overtake. He bumped on the back of Kovi’s car like a crazy man. It was not, as DC cried, that Kovi scandalously blocked him. In fact, Webber has this little dance he does when trying to overtake other cars that makes it seem from the onboard camera that the other guy is going left and right, when it is really him swinging around(it was the same in Australia with Massa). He was trying to recover time after his botched pitstop, messed it up on the back of Kovi — who was in no obligation to roll over –and is now trying to blame everybody else but himself. All in the safe belief that DC will bend over backwards to try and cover it up for him.

    • Manu said on 27th June 2010, 18:28

      “Lewis was clearly trying to time his going with the safety car to go in front of it while keeping Alonso behind – he mistimed it a bit (really by a couple of meters) and got himself in trouble. But the intent to get one over Alonso and Massa was clear.”

      Couldn’t agree more on that. His answer when asked about the incident was priceless: “Honestly, I don’t really remember it”

      Yeah, sure…

    • Mark Hitchcock said on 27th June 2010, 18:57

      haha yeah cos as long as David Coulthard defends you you’ll never be in any trouble.

      What a ridiculous comment.

      The BBC pundits took a different view than you (and me for that matter) so that makes them biased? No it doesn’t.

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