Ten drivers get penalties, Alonso and Rosberg gain extra points (Updated)

Posted on | Author Keith Collantine

Nine drivers have been handed time penalties after the European Grand Prix.

All the drivers investigated for the speed behind the safety car received five-second penalties: Jenson Button, Nico H???lkenberg, Rubens Barrichello, Robert Kubica, Vitaly Petrov, Adrian Sutil, Vitantonio Liuzzi, Sebastien Buemi and Pedro de la Rosa.

Timo Glock also got a 20 second penalty for ignoring blue flags.

The penalties promote Fernando Alonso ahead of Buemi and Nico Rosberg claims the final point instead of Pedro de la Rosa.

Update: the stewards explained the punishments as follows:

The Stewards received a report from the Race Director regarding [the cars] failing to stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU when the Safety Car was deployed,

The Stewards met with the [drivers and team representatives], considered the evidence and decided that this was a breach of Article 40.7 of the 2010 Formula One Sporting Regulations.

Article 40.7 of the sporting regulations says:

All competing cars must then reduce speed and form up in line behind the safety car no more than ten car lengths apart. In order to ensure that drivers reduce speed sufficiently, from the time at which the ??SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED?? message is shown on the timing monitors until the time that each car crosses the first safety car line for the first time, drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU.

Nico Rosberg escaped a penalty for a similar infringement in the Japanese Grand Prix last year when the stewards decided he had not been able to see the target lap time.

Here is the revised finishing order of the race:

Pos. # Driver Team
1 5 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull
2 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren
3 1 Jenson Button McLaren
4 9 Rubens Barrichello Williams
5 11 Robert Kubica Renault
6 14 Adrian Sutil Force India
7 23 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber
8 8 Fernando Alonso Ferrari
9 16 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso
10 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes
11 7 Felipe Massa Ferrari
12 22 Pedro de la Rosa Sauber
13 17 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso
14 12 Vitaly Petrov Renault
15 3 Michael Schumacher Mercedes
16 15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India
17 25 Lucas di Grassi Virgin
18 24 Timo Glock Virgin
19 20 Karun Chandhok HRT
20 21 Bruno Senna HRT
21 18 Jarno Trulli Lotus

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151 comments on “Ten drivers get penalties, Alonso and Rosberg gain extra points (Updated)”

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  1. Ab-so-lutely… FURIOUS!

  2. How can Hulkenberg have got a penalty when he didn’t even finish?

    1. Dunno. If they gave him 5 seconds, then they are wrong, no doubt about it. They should hand him a 5 place grid penalty or something.

      1. I was wondering about that as well. Keith, do you have any info on this?

        Surely he did not even have a set time for the finish, just laps finished before having to stop?

  3. Well I hope Frentzen missed the whole England-Germany match for that stewards’ meeting.

    What a messy race, one to forget about and move on. Big thumbs-up for Kobayashi though, and thank God Webber’s OK.

    1. Somehow we have to use this phrase (“let’s just forget it and move on”) far too often lately. :)

  4. East Londoner
    27th June 2010, 18:10

    Race results changed after the race like this are an absolute farce. Why not give the drivers grid penalties instead? I just don’t understand why they don’t just get rid of all the idiots at the FIA and replace them with more competent people. It feels a bit like the 1994 season, where the FIA was banning and fining drivers/teams for minor racing incidents almost so they could get a kick out of it because it’s fun to them.

  5. 17 points in two races
    27th June 2010, 18:12

    Let´s go boys, everyone breaking rules if you get more…

    Charlie Whiting must be fired right now!!

  6. What a joke, f1 just gets worse and worse. Can we not get back to the motor racing? Too many gimmicks and controversial decisions in f1 now.

    How can they only get a 5 sec penalty?
    should have been a drive through which is a 20 sec time addition if given after a race.

    1. So you want more motor racing yet call for an increased importance of (post race) penalties.

      I’m really interested in seeing how much too fast the drivers actually went in the lap(s) in question. I wouldn’t be surprised if the speeding didn’t actually make any difference in the race, which makes 5 seconds a pragmatic penalty seeing how two drivers lost a point to the advantage of drivers who didn’t speed.

      If anything penalties like this encourage mottorracing. As soon as you make penalties – especially those awarded post race – completely disproportional to the damage the ‘risk’ will less likely be worth the reward.

      It’s simply the way the FIA operates now. You penalize accordingly, not excessively, to encourage the desired kind of behavior which so far seems to have produced closer and more exciting racing.

      Repression never works anyway.

    2. I think for Kubica and Button even 5 seconds was harsh, seeing as he was in the last corner and going into the pits – what was he supposed to do, brake harshly and go round the cornere at a dangerously slow speed?

      What should have been handed down is increasing the penalties incrementally as you go further down the order. That way those who were halfway through the sector and had ample opportunity to slow down are punished more that the ones who were quite literally at the end of the lap.

  7. I understand that the FIA is trying to bring consistency to its rulings since things were that bad but this beggars belief. You ignore a vital safety issue and get slapped with a paltry time penalty after the race has ended and most fans have left- were the so ashamed of what they were doing that they “hid” it in such a manner? Stonking good race by that “Mad man from Japan” Kamui Kobayash though.

    1. I would like to see the lap times. It might be the same as doing 31 Mph in a 30 Mph zone, it’s technicaly against the law, but the police won’t pull you over for it.

      I’d also like to see how these times compare to other races, as this might be quite common, however because a team made a complaint, the issue had to be investigated.

  8. Pedro Andrade
    27th June 2010, 18:15

    The decision to hand 5 second penalties is weird because I didn’t even know it could be done!

    To me the most shocking thing is the ammount of time the stewards always take to hand down even the most simple of penalties. I know people don’t like it when someone talks about football, but there the referee takes an almost instant decision – I know the game is a lot easier to follow, and they may make more mistakes (England sure do have something to complain about!), but the way things are done in F1 are just not good enough.

  9. Maybe they took Ferrari’s insulting winge into account and decided that they didn’t want to look weak.

    Tbh, I’ve had enough of Ferrari’s outbursts this season. They are the only team that do it. Thing is they don’t have any weight to throw around anymore.

  10. Weird race, but weirder still the sort of bias one has to endure during the BBC broadcasts. Lewis was clearly trying to time his going with the safety car to go in front of it while keeping Alonso behind – he mistimed it a bit (really by a couple of meters) and got himself in trouble. But the intent to get one over Alonso and Massa was clear. Having said that, one could say that although unethical, it is probably not illegal…Anyway, Brundel & Co went out of their way to exonerate LH from any taint — as they always do. And then comes David Coultard again…what is it between him and Webber – do they cuddle? It is clearly Webber’s duty keep it safe while trying to overtake. He bumped on the back of Kovi’s car like a crazy man. It was not, as DC cried, that Kovi scandalously blocked him. In fact, Webber has this little dance he does when trying to overtake other cars that makes it seem from the onboard camera that the other guy is going left and right, when it is really him swinging around(it was the same in Australia with Massa). He was trying to recover time after his botched pitstop, messed it up on the back of Kovi — who was in no obligation to roll over –and is now trying to blame everybody else but himself. All in the safe belief that DC will bend over backwards to try and cover it up for him.

    1. “Lewis was clearly trying to time his going with the safety car to go in front of it while keeping Alonso behind – he mistimed it a bit (really by a couple of meters) and got himself in trouble. But the intent to get one over Alonso and Massa was clear.”

      Couldn’t agree more on that. His answer when asked about the incident was priceless: “Honestly, I don’t really remember it”

      Yeah, sure…

    2. Mark Hitchcock
      27th June 2010, 18:57

      haha yeah cos as long as David Coulthard defends you you’ll never be in any trouble.

      What a ridiculous comment.

      The BBC pundits took a different view than you (and me for that matter) so that makes them biased? No it doesn’t.

  11. You guys are just mad that this promotes Ferrari in the results.

    These team cheated, and are now being penalized. If this would have happened, and McLaren was the ones getting huge out to dry there would have been an uproar for these teams to get penalties. Just be happy Hamilton keeps that 2nd spot, he got of scot free.

    1. Did you read ANY of the comments here?

      Clue: unique, brand new, not in the rule book 5 second penalties.

  12. For those complaining about the Schumacher incident, it’s a different offence, that was for overtaking under safety car conditions, this is just for speeding.

    It seems fair to me, didn’t Rosberg get off with this at Suzuka last year?

  13. Wow, what a race… penalties after the race, cheating, no punishment for those who break the rules, and if there was penalty , yeah after 20 laps??, this was a joke… and once again the cheaters gets away with it

    1. Exactly, and the 5 seconds these car were given are nothing compared to doing a drive through.

  14. Penalties??? How about penalizing the stewards?

  15. From what I understand it’s marginal whether the drivers should have got any penalties at all – if they were given the order to slow down to a delta time on the last section of a lap it’s not realistic, or indeed safe, for them to slow that much to be able to make the delta time.

    The penalty given is clearly intended to prevent the race order from changing too much, with only Buemi (-2 points) and De La Rosa (-1 point) losing out, and Alonso (+2 points) and Rosberg (+1 point) benefiting – but if I were Buemi or De La Rosa I’d actually feel a little hard done by.

    The penalty was by and large fair enough though, as technically there was an infringement, and comparing it to Schumacher’s penalty at Monaco just highlights the inconsistency of stewards – not that because one resulted in a set penalty the other should have been the same – personally I think the Schumacher penalty was a little hard.

  16. Can someone actually explain what these guys did wrong?

    From what I saw it was going to fast on the SC in lap, which is my eyes won’t give you any gains in the race at all, due to being stuck behind people anyway and would probably be better penalised with fines

    1. Going fast on the SC lap gives you advantage if you pit on that lap (obviously). I don’t know if these guys did pit, but this rule exists because drivers used to rush to pits when SC came out.

      1. what I saw on the screen was that it was the SC IN lap, which to me means the lap the SC comes in. Did I read that wrong then?

  17. Why wasn’t Schumi given 5 second (or 1 place) penalty in Monaco? I thought giving less than 25 second penalty wasn’t possible?

  18. What do people think would have happened if it was just one driver who was caught speeding behind the safety car? Would they have got a 5-second penalty? Or would they have been given a drive-through?

    I think the fact that so many drivers were caught out made the stewards go easier on them collectively. Personally I’d rather that each incident was viewed independently and punished accordingly.

    1. Far too sensible ;)

      If it’s the rules than fair enough but ti does seem a bit…light hearted in my view.

      Actually because it says ” drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU” and if they don’t do that should they get time added? :P Just kidding of course!

  19. So many smart people in this sport and yet, all the rules and decisions seem to be made by apes.

    There isn’t any kind of coherence in decisions between races and this just infuriates everyone…

  20. only 5 sec penalty???!!??

    what has happened to F1 Rules and regulations?
    better dump all the rules and regulations all together

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