Was new Silverstone a success? (Poll)

Pedro de la Rosa, Adrian Sutil, Silverstone 2010

You take great risks when you tamper with a masterpiece – but that’s just what the British Grand Prix organisers had to do at Silverstone ahead of this year’s race.

The changes added a fast new corner to the track at Abbey and the new section of track was the scene of some exciting racing on Sunday. What did you think of the changes to Silverstone?

For

Abbey has been restored to its former glory. Once a flat-out kink, it was turned into a slow chicane following the tragedies of 1994. It’s now a high-speed flick right and left with a tricky bump which caught out several drivers during practice.

The circuit owners have successful incorporated one of the fastest new corners seen in F1 in years without compromising safety. Ample room for run-off allowed Sebastian Vettel to avoid what could have been a nasty accident when his front wing failed in Saturday practice.

The revised corners also appeared to increase the potential for overtaking. We saw passing moves at Village, The Loop and Brooklands during the race.

Against

The new section of track has bypassed Bridge and Priory, two popular corners.

And the addition of two slow corners has, in the eyes of some drivers, disrupted the flow of the high-speed track.

Bumps on several parts of the track have also come in for criticism.

I say

On the whole I think the changes are an improvement.

Several people are sad to see the loss of Bridge. I can understand that but, having watched a Grand Prix there a few years ago, I think what we have now is better. Since Abbey was slowed in 1994 Bridge had become little more than an acceleration zone that only really tested the drivers in the wet.

Abbey and Farm are two great corners – the best new stretch of tarmac laid for F1 since turn eight at Istanbul five years ago. Not just because it’s so quick, but because of that controversial bump.

Several drivers complained about Silverstone’s bumps and yesterday Williams’ Sam Michael said they “need to be addressed for 2011″.

F1 drivers are unusually sensitive about bumps. When David Coulthard raced at the Lausitzring in the DTM for the first time earlier this year he complained to the other drivers about how bad the bumps were. They laughed at him – the Lausitzring is the smoothest track they visit.

If you want to see what a bumpy circuit really looks like, watch these onboard laps of the Sao Paulo street course Indy Car visited earlier this year and wince.

There is a mindset in F1 that anything that gets in the way of setting up the cars to go as quickly as they can must be eradicated. Bumps are a frequent target because when they are removed, engineers can reduce ride heights, lap times fall and everyone in the pit lane feels like they’ve just made their cars faster.

(Indeed, some of the criticism can be explained away by it coming from the drivers of cars that performed particularly badly over the bumps.)

Bumps, ripples and undulations can turn good corners into great ones. During the race we saw mistakes by Adrian Sutil and Michael Schumacher over the Abbey bump create passing opportunities for Sebastian Vettel and Nico H?â??lkenberg.

No, we should not ignore concerns about safety or driver discomfort. But Abbey has a vast amount of run-off for drivers to bring cars under control. The bumps are part of the challenge and not only should they stay, they’re part of what makes Silverstone a cut above other tracks.

You say

What do you think of the revised Silverstone? How does it compare to other tracks on the calendar since the changes?

Vote below and have your say in the comments.

What do you think of the new Silverstone?

  • Much better than the previous track (28%)
  • Slightly better than the previous track (52%)
  • No better or worse than the previous track (14%)
  • Slightly worse than the previous track (4%)
  • Much worse than the previous track (2%)

Total Voters: 1,956

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87 comments on Was new Silverstone a success? (Poll)

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  1. Neil said on 13th July 2010, 10:26

    A real missed opportunity for British F1 fans. We could have had a race at the far superior Donington Park but certain people and organisations ensured that this will not happen.

    • Ned Flanders (@ned-flanders) said on 13th July 2010, 13:34

      Yeah an F1 race at Donington would’ve been super cool. But Donington’s boat has sailed

    • Siv said on 13th July 2010, 16:31

      I read somewhere that there were 85k people at Silverstone on Friday! Thats more than some circuits have on a Sunday.

      I say there should be more than one GP in the UK…

      • Steph90 (@steph90) said on 13th July 2010, 18:45

        I was really hoping to go to Donnington too so it’s a shame it didn’t work out. I don’t think Brit should get two races yet, Donnington was a fiasco afterall.

        • nick said on 13th July 2010, 20:01

          I went to the F2 there last year. The view from inside the old hairpin is amazing, you can see a good half of the circuit. The developments would of eaten into that viewing area I believe to maybe the fail wasn’t so bad after all.

          Mind looking at the numbers I think we could afford to become the host of the euro gp

  2. Bebilou said on 13th July 2010, 10:27

    Abbey is for sure an improvement (the chicane built in 94 was very ugly).
    But the 2 hairpins they added are boring: they should have built a fast left-hander instead (there was room to do that).

    Moreover, we still have to deal with Club corner, which definitely is a boring corner. I wish they used the quick layout (which exists, as we can see on tv) there instead of the 2nd gear chicane at the entrance. That corner could be as great as Stowe…

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 13th July 2010, 10:29

      they should have built a fast left-hander instead (there was room to do that).

      I doubt there would have been enough room for more run-off at Brooklands though.

      • Scribe (@scribe) said on 13th July 2010, 10:40

        I’m not so bothered about the sow corners or Club, which I belive has been made faster. The Loop still botheres me though? Why a chicane? Surley a Hairpin if overtakings what is trying to be acheived, Aintree hairpin, add that final missing element to this track.

        Still the Loop saw some pretty awesome racing so maybe i’m wrong.

      • I think they could have started Brooklands sooner (in the old Bridge Gravel trap), but that would have meant the old circuit was scrapped and I presume that they will still use it for other racing series?

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 13th July 2010, 10:30

      You can’t have a circuit or calendar that consists entirely of fast corners. It just doesn’t make sense – unless you’ve got a considrably faster car, you’re not going to overtake anyone in a straight line. Perhaps Vale and Club will be better-suited as the final corners as of next year.

  3. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 13th July 2010, 10:28

    Although Bridge was a great corner, the old Abbey chicane hardly qualifies as a loss. If there was one corner at Silverstone that stood out as being completely un-Silverstone, it was that damned chicane. And while Village and the Loop may be slow, we got the new Abbey, Farm and Aintree, as well as the great run down into Brooklands. I think it was worth making the changes.

  4. sato113 said on 13th July 2010, 10:33

    ‘The revised corners also appeared to increase the potential for overtaking. We saw passing moves at Village, The Loop and Brooklands during the race.’

    that’s all i need.

    • Scribe (@scribe) said on 13th July 2010, 10:42

      Mmmmh, except:

      The Loop is a truly rubbish name, “The Loop” least silverstone name ever, build a bridge over it, call it bridge or something, why The Loop?

      • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 13th July 2010, 10:51

        I think one of the corners on The Loop is called Aintree, actually. That’s more like it!

        • Scribe (@scribe) said on 13th July 2010, 11:24

          Yes, Aintree is good, I think Aintree is that kink before the Wellignton straight, right after, hackcough the Loop.

          Maybe if they’d just called it loop. Any corner prefixed with a the, has been named by an man who reads to many comics. Especially as that corner is so slow.

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 13th July 2010, 11:29

            Hey, at least it has a name. Most of the new circuits have corners that are just known by sterile numbers. Even when they are named – like Marina Bay’s Sheares, Memorial and Singapore Sling – they generally get referred to by number (in the case of Marina Bay, that’s 1, 7 and 10 respectively)

          • BasCB said on 14th July 2010, 5:19

            maybe we can call it Aintree loop?

      • Nitpicker said on 13th July 2010, 13:56

        F1F campaign to rename it as “Mansell Loop”?

    • My favourite thing about the revised layout is the new approach to Brooklands. Having the cars using Wellington Straight on the approach to Brooklands helps promote overtaking, which is good.

      And although not new, and I really hate it when trying to negotiate it in Forza, I really liked watching the drivers struggle through Luffield. During qualifying nearly every driver took a different line through Luffield, no one really seeming sure what the fastest way through was.

  5. CJD said on 13th July 2010, 10:48

    Drivers thought Bridge was good but disliked the slow crawl around the complex which upset their rythm. The new fast entry into Brooklands provided a good overtaking opportunity in the Grand Prix but many more overtakes in the supporting races, all executed neatly by the coming generation.

    The new circuit is needed for MotoGP because Bridge is unsafe for the bikes. This matters to us who follow F1 if we do not want Silverstone to be entirely at the mercy of Bernie’s whims.

    Silverstone is unique in that it is a fulltime racing circuit at the heart of world motor racing. That is why young drivers from all over the world learn their trade there. This does not downrate the contribution of Ferrari and Peter Sauber to racing in anyway in any way and I have no connection with the circuit.

    Even Bernie would be a prosperous retired metal merchant that no-one has ever heard of without the influence of Silverstone and the surrounding area he would have had nothing to sell.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 13th July 2010, 11:31

      Sorry, but I think you put way too much emphasis on the importance of Silverstone – at the very least, it is offset by the likes of Monza and Indianapolis. It’s important, but it is not the sole reason for motorsport’s success.

      • Mouse_Nightshirt (@mouse_nightshirt) said on 13th July 2010, 13:00

        But importance in what sense PM? In terms of historic importance, then yes, Monza and Indy probably displaces a lot of Silverstone (even though it was the first track raced on by F1 cars).

        But in terms of the importance to motorsport, Silverstone is vastly significant. England is one of the beating hearts of global motorsport – the technology that goes into so many racing cars was spawned in and around Silverstone. On top of that, it is one of the circuits that junior racers come from all over the world to learn their trade.

        Yes, the motorsporting world would go on without it, but I think you put way to much emphasis on the importance of Monza and Indy.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 13th July 2010, 14:15

          I get the impression CJD believes Silverstone to be the single most important motorsport site in the world, the point which all motorsport revolves around. It’s not. True, it is important, but it is not the centre of the universe.

          • CJD said on 14th July 2010, 15:08

            One of the more important. Even Ferrari has had to import expertise from that “silicon valley” er silverstone plateau.
            There is an international motor racing workforce in that area contributing to all areas of motor sport now but way back it all started with Ford 1172 or JAP or that “fire pump engine wot wins races” in almost home made chassis as people strove to make chassis good enough to overcome superb Italian engineering in the engine and gearbox department.

    • Lachie said on 13th July 2010, 12:22

      I keep hearing about Bridge being unsafe for bikes but what is it exactly that makes it unsafe? If it’s the bridge then they hardly made it better by having one over the Wellington Straight (I had a horrifying thought of what if Webber had flipped there!). Is it the dip downwards?, no runoff?

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 13th July 2010, 13:16

        It’s not the actual, physical bridge – it’s the proximity of the outer barrier to the circuit. There’s virtually no run-off going through Bridge, and so if a rider wiped out there, there would be little to stop him impacting with the armco, and that’s a bad thing. And it wasn’t exactly a problem that could be solved by moving the armco further backwards, because there’s a kind of a spur of earth running outwards, and if a car or bike hit it, they’d be launched into the air.

    • Jose Arellano said on 13th July 2010, 23:53

      “..nut many more overtakes in the supporting races, all executed neatly by the coming generation…”

      you mean checo perez move top take the lead in gp2 right??

      viva mexicoo!

  6. Christian Biddon said on 13th July 2010, 10:51

    I loved the new track. So much so that as soon as qualifying was over my wife and I bought tickets for 2011 in the new pit straight grandstand. :-)

    How about that for advanced planning. :-)

  7. David B said on 13th July 2010, 10:55

    New Abbey is great. I’m bothered about the following: the first corner after the fast S is not bad, but the following hairpin could have been quicker. New Brooklands is wonderful, instead.

    A last word about Club: why did they modify it? It’s much much worse now.

    At the end I think it is an improvement, anyway.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 13th July 2010, 11:05

      Is Club really that much worse? I struggled to tell the difference. Am glad they stopped people cutting the exit kerb which looked like being a problem when I went to watch the GT1 race.

      • Whitty 123 said on 13th July 2010, 12:20

        They still take exactly the same line through the reprofiled Club as the old Club so in essence it’s exactly the same.

        • Lee Sharp said on 13th July 2010, 14:47

          Mark Webber said that although they had re profiled it, the actual line through the corner was exactly the same.

      • Joey-Poey said on 13th July 2010, 15:14

        Did they? It looked like they kept going way off.

  8. TMFOX said on 13th July 2010, 11:09

    What I like about the addition is that it tries to retain as much as possible of what is already there (Uses a bit of the national layout). You have to be clever when you try and shoehorn a new section onto what is arguably a brilliant track and it has been pulled off brilliantly.

    Saying that though… it’s a shame Bridge is no longer used. Would have been nice to have seen them go straight on from Bridge and then right into Luffield/Woodcote. Would have been incredibly fast but there wouldn’t be enough run off.

  9. Bernard said on 13th July 2010, 11:17

    I liked it, the new section really does balance out the circuit. Next year it will be changed again with the new pit complex, thank goodness we have those good old corner names and not numbers…

  10. Einar AI said on 13th July 2010, 11:17

    I think they should replace the incredibly boring Monaco GP with Sao Paulo Street Crcuit. Looks fantastic.

  11. Karol said on 13th July 2010, 11:19

    Was a slight improvement on a dreary track. Still don’t like Silverstone. Pity we’re stuck with it for another 16 years.

    • HounslowBusGarage said on 13th July 2010, 21:48

      I agree Karol. Only been to Silverstone twice, but was disappointed at the lack of visibility on both ocassions.
      Still, I voted ‘Much better’ on the basis that a set of stepping stones across a bog is a great improvement, even though it’s still a bog.

  12. Steph90 (@steph90) said on 13th July 2010, 11:19

    I’ve said slightly better. I’ve only ever liked the first sector so I’m glad they left that well alone.

    I think it’s helped overtaking. I like that it does seem to really challenge the drivers esp the bump. They better keep that bump too. Abbey is great so it’s worth losing Bridge which wasn’t really a challenge anymore. I’ve said slight improvement because I like to be cautious and we’ve only had one race on it. I think the most important thing is that they’ve kept with the style and character of the track while made it a challenge.

    • Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey) said on 13th July 2010, 13:11

      Once again, Steph’s opinion mirrors my own pretty much exactly.

      • Steph90 (@steph90) said on 13th July 2010, 18:54

        Thank you Magnificent Geoffrey :)

        I agree with you too Siv. I know the bump was probably a surprise with the cars and the drivers backs may have hurt after but I really liked the challenge it presented. Please Silverstone, keep that bump!

    • Siv said on 13th July 2010, 16:36

      I agree that they should keep the bump. The only reason they are fussing about it is because they didn’t know it was there and were caught out. All their simulation work was wasted because they didn’t know about the bump.

      Practically all circuits have bumps but since the teams know about them, they set the car up to cope. They didn’t know about this one but that no reason to remove it!

    • BasCB said on 14th July 2010, 5:21

      Fully agree with you there Steph.

      Abbey is a great corner, the bump making it a real challenge. And the Aintree loop after that gives some new opportunities for overtaking.

      The circuit keeps its style and works. I am curious to see how it works out after they move the pit complex though.

  13. I’m happy with the end result of the silverstone circuit.

  14. It’s also worth mentioning that although drivers and teams complain about bumps, they’re quite happy to smash over massive kerbs just to find another 10th of a second.

  15. Bullfrog (@bullfrog) said on 13th July 2010, 11:30

    Thumbs up. More overtaking than I remember before, and many were impressive moves that went on for several corners.

    Bit concerned about the effect of moving the start next year. There’s always been some spectacular action on lap one through the fast stuff, and next year they’ll be that much more more strung out when they get round there. Abbey will make a great first turn though.

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