Ferrari fined, World Motor Sport Council to examine Alonso’s pass on Massa

Posted on | Author Keith Collantine

Ferrari have been fined $100,000 for breaking the Sporting Regulations during the German Grand Prix.

The stewards of the race have also referred the matter to the World Motor Sports Council. The result of the race stands for the time being.

Fernando Alonso passed Felipe Massa to win the German Grand Prix after the team had been heard instructing Massa that he was slower than his team mate.

Massa admitted after the race he let Alonso past but said he did so of his own choosing.

The stewards found Ferrari guilty of breaking article 39.1 of the Sporting Regulations which forbid team orders that influence the outcome of the race.

They additionally adjudged it to be a transgression of article 151c of the International Sporting Code, relating to bringing the sport into disrepute, the same section that McLaren were famously found in violation of in 2007.

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362 comments on “Ferrari fined, World Motor Sport Council to examine Alonso’s pass on Massa”

  1. This is a joke. They lyed to the media, fans and the stewards by stating no team orders were given. FIA said they were and they are now fined. One thing though Austraila 2009 Hamilton got DQ for lying to the race stewards so ferrari should get DQ as well. The FIA is all over the place.
    Mclaren lye = DQ
    Ferrari lye = result stands

    1. it it is my strong belief that FERRARI team boss Dominicali has influenced MASSA to say he allowed ALONZO to pass on order to escape team orders repurcussions
      DID ANYONE notice the way Dominicalli rushed to the stage after the drivers had posed for pictures…then he pretended to take both drivers Alonzo and MASSA BACK TO THE pondium to take another photo with him in the middle?..a replay of this scene may show that it was here that somewhere along this movement Massa was told to be the fall guy AND SAY THAT he was loosing speed which is not the case as the viewers so it live on TV…this is just my suspician…

  2. So, if Ferrari are still telling their story the way we heard it, I guess this is also “misleading the stewards”. Last time someone did that, they were disqualified, weren’t they? So if that is a precedent, both Ferrari’s should be disqualified, just like Hamilton was after Australia 2009.

    I happen to think that was again a case of Mosley led FIA still having a grudge against McLaren, and letting things get out of hand and dishing out overly harsh punishments, so I would prefer this not to be used as a precedent, but it shows that the team should get a strong penalty. Maybe WCC points taken away?

  3. If as David Coulthard and others insist, team orders cannot be stopped, then the rule should now be removed and replaced with one saying that it must be completely open. That way everyone will know when there are team orders, and we can judge the results ourselves on that basis…

    1. Fully agree with you there. Let the team announce it before the race.
      It will be fair to the fans who can freely choose to support such a team or not.
      Still i think there should be a limit as to what is allowed.

  4. Schumi held an interview post race and was talking first hand (2002, him+Barrichello). He was just saying how Stefano Domenicali (Ferrari team principal) would have regretted NOT making the call if, in 9 races time, Ferrari were to loose the drivers championship, the constructors championship, or even both, as a result of the points he would have lost today by NOT making the call. I didnt like Schumi in yrs gone by, but after proving to be the most successfull in history i learned to respect him. Its a gr8 point he makes (and btw he must know what hes on about)..

    1. How many constructor points did they gain out of what they did? 0 because it was a 1-2 either way. And if it was so hard to overtake on that circuit as Alonso claimed afterwards why was he worried that Vettel might overtake him?

      1. I agree with Schumi’s remarks.. but they should do it correctly. Turning the revs of Massa’s engine or telling him to save more fuel. Then they would explain that Alonso saved fuel as it seemed so after his first attempt to pass him. They way they did it, with Rob saying sorry, Alonso saying that he does not know what happened etc, that was what brought the sport into disrepute. Just like the 2002 Austrian Grand Prix.

        1. I am glad they did not fool anyone.
          I detest having to guess and argue about weather “safe fuel” actually ment, slow down and let your teammate pass you/dont pass your teammate or something similar.

  5. I’m thinking to myself how would we react, if the same message was framed differently: “Alonso is faster than you lad, and Vettel is lapping really fast now. That’s the situation on track. Our race might be in danger, or we might be fine, so it’s your call, boy”. Now all is in the open, and Felipe makes his decision.

    I think it would be much cleaner, and better than: “Can you confirm you understood that message”.

  6. Oh I love the Ferrari “fans”.

    You should look at McLaren in turkey, my back end!

    Clearly in turkey Jenson took Lewis by surprise, Lewis decided he was having none of it, so Jenson submitted.

    It is quite common for the criminal to point the finger at something else to divert your attention. However in todays society most of us are aware of this, so grow up and eat your humble pie.

    The FIA have a nice tight grip on Ferrari’s cojones. It is their upcomance for their silly remarks and constant outbursts.

    Maybe, one day, Ferrari will learn that they are not above everybody and their days of having vetos are over.

    Whilst they don’t learn this they will constantly have the book throw at them.

    I fear, when they do realise, they will probably run off crying and quit the sport.

    1. Spot on. Fuel saving was a priority before the McLarens swapped positions in Turkey. If Jenson was willing to accept team orders – which I doubt – he wouldn’t have even attempted to pass Lewis. Lewis, like Senna and Mansell, would rather crash than hand over a position.

  7. $100,000? McLaren got a $100,000,000 fine in 07 and it didn’t seem to have much of an effect on them…

    1. Do not worry yet. The WMC CAN still hand out a more substantial penalty to Ferrari for this.

  8. I’m pleasantly surprised by this. Maybe I’m cynical from the Mosley years or just plain cynical but I didn’t expect anything to happen. I may be a huge Ferrari fan but the most important thing is to have fair racing. It can’t happen in every circumstance say when a driver gets a better car or whatever but on track it should be free from manipulation. The racing comes first, personal driver/team preference comes a long second.

  9. Was i the only one when Stefano Domenicali said no team order were given just felt like he was calling everybody who was watching stupid. I couldn’t belive it i think he should apologise to everyone. so angry at him, show the fans of F1 a little respect

    1. flossyblossy
      25th July 2010, 22:44

      Absolutely!!! He said there was no team orders and then gave that wry smile that he’s so good at. I can’t imagine anyone missed that. I spent 10 minutes shouting at the TV (what i shouted isn’t repeatable!).

  10. So Ferrari are hit with a $100k fine, so the Stewards think that there is a case to answer for, Alonso should be worried about those 25 points he “earned” this afternoon.

  11. You know who’ll be loving all this… I bet Max has already prank called Montezemolo saying some cocky comments, hung up, and had a good old giggle to himself. Then probably called Briatore for the sheer fun of it.

  12. Teams should not be allowed to convey any information to a driver about his team-mate. That would surely end team orders once and for all.

    1. It wouldn’t work. Say they are racing and I mean really racing how would they know about the gap or how to manage it or what strategy etc they were on? It’s a nice idea but it’s also a minefield. I do like how people are looking at ways to try to stop this in the future though :)

      1. Hate to say it, because seems such a dark ages option, but ban on team to driver radio. Allow them to send a signal for ‘BOX’ to appear on the wheel.

        But… really hate this option. Drivers need to know stats about their race position, lapping drivers on their tail, safety issues.

        Dunno! Really don’t – and I’m usually gobby about these things. Teams can apply orders in private pre-race anyway, so what can you do?

        I really dislike Eccelstone and DC’s take on this that says get over it, teams can decide race finish order – THAT ISN’T SPORT! But fail to see workable solution.

        Problem goes back to a very salient F1 feature – money. We often hear non-fans decry F1 as not being a ‘sport’ as teams are run as a business and variable levels of financial support queer the pitch. They’re right. FiA did try to address this with the proposed tech expenditure cap which was the sub-text that nearly split the teams from the FiA last season.

        100K is acceptable to Ferrari for getting the driver they want on the top step. Knowing you, you would have been gutted to see Felipe move aside for Alonso.

        What, as a Ferrari fan, is your feeling on this?

  13. I guess some of you expect penalty more severe than in Crash-gate, just because the red guys are involved.

    1. You can hardly get less severe than Crashgate.
      Renault was let off the hook, Alonso only testified, Piquet was handed immunity and both Symonds and Briatore were given a penalty that was not worth the paper it was written on.
      So yes, i expect a real penalty in this case.

  14. Its not enough! Massa must get the race win.
    Shame on Alonso and Ferrari

  15. Excellent blog Keith, thanks.

    I’m getting the feeling that controversy is getting to be the most exciting part of F1.

    With regard to today’s race, it seems to me that:
    – F1 is a team sport
    – teams compete for the Drivers and Constructors championships
    – thus, to ban team orders invites controversy
    – perhaps Massa should consider that if he were not so many points behind Alonso, things today may probably have been different.
    – the comparison with cycling doesn’t add up for me. The Tour de France is one event for about 19 days (weeks??). F1 is 19 separate and individual events.

    Today Vettel had a bad start and the Ferraris got ahead – and nobody challenged them though Vettel got close at times. P4 was about 26 secs of the pace and all were lapped up to P8. And that for me is boring. So I think that F1 have deeper problems to address than banning team orders in a team sport.

    1. Still, TOs are banned, that’s the way things are right now, and if the FIA can prove their case, Ferrari should pay the penalty as defined in the law – was it not, after all, Alonso himself who complained about stewards “manipulating” the race in the wake of the Safety Car controversy a couple weeks ago?

      1. It was, but he’s a petulant idiot, so you shouldn’t pay too much attention to him!

  16. I think that $100,000 is a token sum… what it really says is that the stewards know Ferrari are cheats! They’ve been branded now, just to compound their miserable year so far! Hehe…

  17. $100,000 is a loose change from Luca’s pocket.

    What a bargain… Now wonder FIA loves Ferrari. Fine 100,000. FIA richer by $100,000. Fernando and Ferrari keeps the Points from a well manipulated race.

    And who are the biggest losers “The Fans” ……

    1. Maybe it’s because they can’t hand out larger finds which is why they’ve handed over to the WMSC (well they probably would anyway).
      As someone has said before, that’s where things will get serious if they do.

  18. They should just reverse the positions for the drivers points and make it no points for the team, I’d be happy with that.

    But a fine? That sends the message team orders every time its worth it.

  19. These guys are supposed to be the best and are undoubtedly the highest paid racing drivers in the world. If Alonso is the faster driver then let him pass the slower guy in front of him regardless of what team he’s on.

    Team orders should be upheld and all points taken away from people who violate them. Simple as that.

    Besides, Alonso cries like a biatch about everything.

  20. Do you think alonso will call the race result a joke and say sorry to the fans like he did in valencia because the results wasn’t a true representation of the actual race just wondering

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