Massa ordered to hand win to Alonso

2010 German Grand Prix

Felipe Massa, Ferrari, Hockenheimring, 2010

Ferrari controversially instructed their drivers to change places while leading the German Grand Prix.

Felipe Massa allowed Fernando Alonso by into the lead on lap 48 after receiving a coded message from race engineer Rob Smedley.

Before the change of places Smedley was heard to say:

Alonso is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?
Rob Smedley

Not long after the message was broadcst Massa slowed at the exit of the hairpin and Alonso went pass. Afterwards Smedley told Massa:

OK mate, good lad. Stay with him now. Sorry.
Rob Smedley

The BBC’s Ted Kravitz reported a “flurry of discussion” in the 12 laps leading up to the change of position.

Ferrari clearly orchestrated the change of position and could find themselves in trouble with the sports’ governing body. Article 39.1 of the Sporting Regulations says:

Team orders which interfere with a race result are prohibited.

The rule was brought in when Ferrari did the same during the 2002 Austrian Grand Prix – when current FIA president Jean Todt was in charge of the team.

Two years ago Ferrari instructed Kimi R??ikk??nen to let Massa by for second place in China.

But significantly, that order came when R??ikk??nen was out of the running for the championship. Massa is not.

It’s a clear sign of the status of the two drivers at Ferrari, as it now seems Fernando Alonso is the favoured driver within the team.

Ordering Massa to give up the win today is especially poignant as it is one year to the day since he was badly injured during qualifying for the Hungarian Grand Prix.

Update: Ferrari have been summoned to see the German Grand Prix stewards.

Should Ferrari get a penalty for ordering Massa to let Alonso pass?

  • Yes (78%)
  • No (21%)
  • No opinion (2%)

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  1. Kris said on 25th July 2010, 16:07

    If Ferrari won’t be punished, F1 shouldn’t be called SPORT but ENTERTAINMENT SHOW.
    Mostly I am annoyed by Ferrari guys comments, do they think fans are stupid or something.

  2. Eric said on 25th July 2010, 16:08

    funny there are so many supporters for Ferrari writing in this forum yet 80% feel they should be penalized.

    Should Ferrari get a penalty for ordering Massa to let Alonso pass?

    * Yes (80%, 953 Votes)

    the truth is they know themselves that Ferrari should have let Massa win and feel ashamed.
    i am a McLaren fan and was looking forward to seeing Ferrari doing well in this race and was overjoyed when they managed 1st an 2nd from the start, and then they go and do this.
    dam it, why cant they just race and win in style?????

    • RioF said on 25th July 2010, 16:09

      let he cast the 1st stone….

      No one/team is perfect…

      • Casanova said on 25th July 2010, 16:19

        And therefore a blatant contravention of the rules should go unpunished? By the same logic, noone should ever be punished for anything…

  3. RioF said on 25th July 2010, 16:08

    i think the poll should be more of…. ‘Should Team Orders be allows?’

    Maybe the rules back then warranted the ban but times have changed… Cos to watch a team sport not working as a team is like saying soccer is played by individuals and not a team?

    F1 is a team of 2 cars… so two drivers… so is F1 about the respective racing team? or is it about the racing drivers?

  4. aandrewaa said on 25th July 2010, 16:08

    Massa was much slower, I don’t see any problem to let pass a faster Alonso. Ferrari is a team, so where is the problem?

    • edugg said on 25th July 2010, 16:13

      that it is against the regulations!!!

    • bosyber said on 25th July 2010, 16:57

      Not that much slower over the whole race, and Massa defended really well a couple of times – all part of racing to have to fight for a position win. Maybe Alonso really meant the Spanish GP “I like being given points by a competitors bad fortune” bad form after all. I hoped he was joking a bit.

      • aandrewaa said on 25th July 2010, 17:28

        Alonso has been faster 0.2 – 0.4 seconds during the whole gp (watch the times in qualifications, for example)

  5. Nw i finally y alonso say he doesn’t need others to fail for him to win… he got his teammate to be ordered around as he wish..

    Nw alonso is involved again in race-fixing, first in S.G08, and now again. It makes it hard to not link him to possible involvement in these race fixing? Surely he might have a part to play in it.

    Felipe Baby gonna cry soon.

    Now, this is what ferrari should call : ” MANIPULATED RACE” -. I wonder what will the italian media say huh.

    Perhaps they should write ” Heroic Ferrari 1-2 in germany, FIA respects ferrari’s team-order”

  6. Jhonnie Siggie said on 25th July 2010, 16:09

    I think the claim that Vettel would have caught up to the Ferraris and potentially ruin both of their races is absolutely ridiculous. In the end the data showed that both Ferraris were clearly faster and Vettel didn’t have a serious chance. We all understand basic mathematics and why a team would want to favor one driver. Ferrari clearly favored one driver today and expect the fans to accept and regurgitate their talking points. I am personally just wondering if Ferrari were cowed into this by the petulant Spaniard. Maybe they are wondering if he’ll pickup his toys and leave early as he did while Lewis was cleaning his clock at Mclaren.

    • bosyber said on 25th July 2010, 17:00

      I find this Vettel was pushing thing odd. After Turkey, Ferrari must have seen how well that didn’t work for RBR as a party line? And Vettel was further back than Hamilton in Turkey.

  7. It’s all well being ‘Quicker’ all weekend, It’s another getting past another car in RACE CONDITIONS as was obviously apparrent for the first 2/3 of the race Farrari ARE CHEATS no 2 ways about it.

  8. MtlRacer said on 25th July 2010, 16:11

    In a parallel universe, Alonso was leading the race over Massa and the radio message was to Alonso: “Today is the anniversary of Felipe’s accident. Can you confirm you understood that message.”

    Of course, if Vettel had stuck to the clean side of the track at the start, neither Ferrari would have passed him.

  9. mateuss said on 25th July 2010, 16:11

    If we think about this, Ferrari are cornered, aren’t they? What they can do now? Confess? – Penalty for 39.1! Keep lying?-We saw how the stewards liked that in Australia 2009!

  10. SPIDERman said on 25th July 2010, 16:12

    MAY BE THE stewards will do something for once that all F1 FANS want…to invalidate this race and punish ferrari…

  11. ADZ23 said on 25th July 2010, 16:13

    well done ferrari,they deserved this result,maybe not under these ways,massa did brilliant but was slow,his pace ment vettel was catching so quickly,if massa never let alonso passed i think vettel may of won,mclaren have done plenty of rule breaking and i always feel its forgotten about,is it cos its a british team maybe,i hope the result doesnt change,maybe get fined for sure but its good to see another team at the top,3 teams fighting for the title at the last race would be so exciting….

  12. Stacie said on 25th July 2010, 16:13

    The thing is Fernando Alonso is ALWAYS penalized for pathetic little things and why the hell should he have his points taken away from him for havin a wicked weekend????? Alonso done nothing wrong he didnt order Massa to move out the way!!!! what was he spose to do stop as well and go “no go on mate you stay first” knowin that Vettel would have jumped on that and past the pair!!!!

    • bosyber said on 25th July 2010, 17:04

      Actually, he might have been urging the team to have him let pass Stacie. A false start in China isn’t so pathetic, and everyone knows that a clear cutting corner to overtake is a drive-through since Spa 2008, where Ferrari were adamant HAM was punished rightly, even when the rule wasn’t so clear back then as it is now. Alonso bad luck with SC (well, in Monaco he profited) was sad to see, but that doesn’t let him off the hook here.

      • Sri said on 25th July 2010, 18:17

        The rule in ’08 wasn’t clear. Erm, at the risk of being flamed i must say this, to McLaren fans mostly.

  13. Calum said on 25th July 2010, 16:13

    I’m expecting a fine, maybe a grid pen at the Hungaroring.

  14. Tim said on 25th July 2010, 16:17

    Ferrari drivers points obtained at this race should be removed at once.

    Ferrari team points should be removed since the season beginning.

    This bizarre methods must stop and hard punishment will get them off.

  15. Tango said on 25th July 2010, 16:23

    Funny thing is Red Bull look better now : there two drivers did lock wheel by trying to pass didn’t thay (yeah ok, previous orders…) I mean, we followers did get the action we were looking for. I don’t really care about the team orders, it’s just a shame we were not entertained by a nice fight between Massa Alonso and Vettel.

    Afterthought : How on Earth can Alonso ALWAYS manage to be embroiled in every F1 scandal and never know anything? Incredible.

    Las thought : what does Italian TV say about it?

    • Sri said on 25th July 2010, 18:21

      How on Earth can Alonso ALWAYS manage to be embroiled in every F1 scandal and never know anything? Incredible.

      One word… “media”. Then again, he’s put himself in a hard corner more than once, which is really not to my liking. However, ladies and gentlemen, this is a racing driver and not a diplomat.

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