Montezemolo defends driver switch

Posted on | Author Keith Collantine

Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo has defended his team’s decision to change the order of its drivers during yesterday’s German Grand Prix.

The stewards of the meeting fined Ferrari $100,000 for the move. The World Motor Sports Council will investigate whether the team acted improperly by giving a coded instruction to Felipe Massa telling him to let Fernando Alonso past.

Montezemolo said:

I am very happy for all our fans who finally, yesterday, saw two Ferraris lead from start to finish as they dominated the race. The result is down to the efforts of all our people, who never give up. Now we have to continue working like this, to improve the car so that is competitive at all the circuits we will encounter.

Alonso and Massa also did very well, giving their all throughout the weekend. The polemics are of no interest to me. I simply reaffirm what I have always maintained, which is that our drivers are very well aware, and it is something they have to stick to, that if one races for Ferrari, then the interests of the team come before those of the individual. In any case, these things have happened since the days of Nuvolari and I experienced it myself when I was Sporting Director, in the days of Niki Lauda and not just then??

Therefore enough of this hypocrisy, even if I can well believe that some people might well have liked to see our two drivers eliminate one another, but that is definitely not the case for me or indeed for our fans.
Luca di Montezemolo

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  1. Whatever Luca. Niki Lauda doesn’t agree.

    1. He doesn’t agree with the team orders now that he is retired, but I bet when he had the number 1 status in ferrari in the mid 70’s he loved them.

      1. That’s probably true.

      2. but back than they were allowed …

      3. You’r spot on there. It’s easy to say Boo now, so many years after. EJ is doing it as well (due to it being illegal now) but a lot of (ex-)drivers still think the same, but add under the current rules they should have done it less obvious

        1. “but add under the current rules they should have done it less obvious”

          shouldn’t that be…

          “but add under the current rules they should not have done it”

          considering the rules say it’s illegal…

          1. When the title is at stake, i surely support temmates helping each others. i like selfish drivers, but there is a limit. Massa and Kimi wrote the books on that in 07 and 08. ironically they were at Ferrari. so they know how to do it right, it’s just that last Sunday they chose the wrong way, and the wrong timing, and this i think is what pushed Massa to make it so obvious.

            but what is worth is that Alonso doesn’t even acknowledge the fact that Massa gifted him the race, and i think this will put more pressure on their intra-team relations…

            in austria 2002, Schumi at least gave credit to Bar, by pushing him on the top step of the podium, and getting fined for it…Alonso is just a new definition of Low scum

    2. .

      May I, please ;

      Luca and Lauda .. minor impact !

      Luca and Ferrari-owners who are ashamed to drive the Team-Order cars .. that’s major !

      Will that ever happen ?

      Not likely, but it’s in your MIND now !



    3. Who’s Niki Lauda? The Chairman of F1 or the Director of the Archives of F1 Races? He’s one of the best drivers of all time, but what he or any other retired driver says is on no value. It’s just some jarring noise. The hypocritical arguments of him or Eddie Jordan don’t count for anything.

      If at all any sensible remarks are ever made by former drivers it is by Sir Jackie Stewart, a man who has coached Francois Cevert and done so much for the sport.

  2. It is curious that he points out Niki Lauda here. Just when Lauda himself has made a stinging attack on Ferrari.

    1. He’s probably sued Niki as an example for that very reason

      1. *used not sued. My thickest typo since I said Heidfeld was raving instead of racing…

  3. Of course he does.

  4. Lauda is probably part of the hypocrisy he is referring too

  5. Interesting choice of words from Luca there. Did he learn the meaning of the word hypocricy when someone pointed out to him his post-Valencia comments?
    In some ways, what upsets me the most is the blatant lying. Not even a tiny little effort to dress it up.

    1. look at this (Adam Cooper digged up a Ross Brawn interview from 2002), Ferrari has not even learnt from Austria 2002, let alone from Valencia:

  6. if one races for Ferrari, then the interests of the team come before those of the individual

    …not to mention any rules and regulations too.

    1. You must have forgoten what Maclaren did back in the spygate. All teams has glass roofs.

      1. I have not forgotten at all, but you have left me a little confused by this reply, what should I be remembering exactly?

        1. weren´t you trying to say that Ferrari does everything to be in front of the others even if necessary to cheat.
          Just tryed to show that the others do that too.
          If i didn´t understand your coment, than i apolagise.

          1. Alonso was at the center of the Spygate debacle – and Crashgate. What does that tell you about cheating, any patterns starting to emerge? ;)

      2. @Bernard: Alonso was one of the people trying to expose the cheating. Remember the threatening email? You cant blame one driver without blaming the other (lewis).

        1. Alonso was the one actually doing the cheating (posing questions for the mole).

          Then he decided to blackmail the team to gain first driver status in return for acting like “he didn’t know a thing”.

          Yeah Alonso was the hero in spygate. Really.

          1. My point is that Lewis also knew and said nothing!

            Cheating is cheating and both drivers were knee’s deep in it equally.

          2. No, Lewis did NOT know.

            NO, the were not knee deep in it equally. Alonso was ASKING questions that the mole should answer (ie actively engaging in spy gate)

            While Hamilton knew nothing and thus didn’t participate at all.

            If Hamilton was involved they would have found mail from or to him on his computer or those of other people. They didn’t. Plenty e-mail from Alonso en De La Rosa though

          3. @steven

            Lewis may have been aware, but you can’t say he did for sure. Would Hamilton purposely get involved with cheating in his first ever year in F1? Would the people aware of the cheating try include somebody who has no experience of F1? Maybe. But not necessarily.

        2. @ Steven

          Any evidence for the allegation you’ve made that Hamilton knew about the data theft?

          As for Alonso, he was threatening Dennis with going to Mosley to ‘expose the cheating’ he himself had been directly involved in. Dennis – who claimed not to know the extent of the data theft within the team – then immediately defused this blackmail by telling Mosley himself. This had two effects: enormous fine for McLaren, end of McLaren contract for Alonso.

          Fact is trouble follows Alonso around. Draw your own conclusions. I make mine.

          1. Why would they tell Alonso about the cheating but not Hamilton. Or is Alonso just so dedicated to his job (in comparison to Hamilton) that he works so much harder, talkt to the engineers, tries to understand everything .. asks unpopular questions ..

            (I’m not a fan of Alonsos just so you don’t come around telling me I am one)

          2. @ bananarama

            I can reverse the question: why would they need to? As I remember Hamilton was specifically exonerated from any involvement. Maybe a degree of scepticism is always healthy. But asserting without evidence he was actually in the know seems a cop out to spread the blame when the people involved were specifically named.

            Hamilton was also a rookie. He seems fairly decicated to his job to me. Maybe you know better. Unlikely though.

    2. IF drivers only race for the team honers then we should scrap the world drivers champion title and only have the manufacturers titles only…PERHAPS THEN FERRARI can even employ the faceless stig from top gear to drive for them

      IN hindsight montezii….molo? seems to belong to the musieum by coming up with such comments
      FIA should throw the kitchen sink at ferrari on this one occassion.

      1. Teflonso was the dude taking the most advantage of the mole in spygate, he was that unknown Mr.X in the trailer agreeing and benefiting from Piquet’s scheme for Singapore, he could not, not, have known about it… he was complaining , when in fact he should have been shutting the hell up and trying to get past his teammate the proper way…

        he weaseled his way past Massa while diving into the pits, he literally asked the team to get him out of the way in Germany, the guy is a git, I’m really despising him… he doesn’t even bother do anything with class.

      2. Why would Ferrari want the Stig?

        Barrichello is faster and they sacked him. ;)

      3. Actually they did didn’t you see Shumi in his outfit? :)

      4. SPIDERman’s ” … IF drivers only race for the team honors then we should scrap the world DRIVERS champion title and only have the manufacturers titles only… ”

        This probably IS the Highest-Sense posting, ever.

        But you know what, SPIDERman, that there will be a whole bunch of disagreements. Some with valid & solid arguments, some with knee-jerk reactions.

        Perhaps we should all start the discussion matter by look at the ultimate reason for being ; Is F1 for the public or for the interest of the one who sign the cheques ?

        The answer is obvious.

  7. “I am very happy for all our fans who finally, yesterday, saw two Ferraris lead from start to finish as they dominated the race”

    That’s ironic as I don’t think any fan could say they were truly happy or satisfied with yesterday.

    “even if I can well believe that some people might well have liked to see our two drivers eliminate one another, but that is definitely not the case for me or indeed for our fans.”

    He’s bang on there. In all my year’s watching this glorious sprot I’ve never once seen a successful overtake that hasn’t ended in a crash. They’ve all had to be fiddled, Bernie radioed Sutil in Silverstone to let Vettel through but to look like he’s defending to make it realistic.

    Sorry, I’ve stuck up for Luca when he has said things this year and I know he’s going to defend what happened but I can’t help but feel he’s adding fuel to the fire by talking down to people and dismissing their feelings on the issue.

    1. Spot on Steph.

      If Luca’s that worried about them running into each other, then perhaps he’s hired the wrong drivers?…

      and referring to the ‘days of Niki Lauda’ doesn’t really wash if the rule that Ferrari so clearly contravened was introduced in 2002.

      1. Maybe he was only referring to it because Lauda was moaning so loudly about it that he coud hear it down in Italy without even turning on the TV. He went on and on and on complaining about what the team did.

        “Niki, how did you find Vettel today?”
        “Ferrari are cheaters”
        “And Hamilton?”
        “Cheaters I’m telling you, Ferrari are cheaters …”

        1. Read more carefully and you’ll realize Lauda was empathizing with Massa a year on after his near-death crash, which explains his anger. Formula 1 isn’t all trivial politicizing between the teams, some real stuff happens too.

          1. Makes a lot of sense for Lauda to support Massa, considering what happened to Lauda.

            Your band on with that one steph.

    2. I was happy. I’m a loyal Ferrari supporter and to me the team always comes first. If giving Alonso the win is in the best interests of the team, then thats what matters.

      1. What? Even the head of Ferrari admits that they are employing two drivers who cannot overtake without crashing into each other and the Tifosi here agree with him?
        Somebody is crazy, and it isn’t me!

      2. In that case lets bring the one car rule. One team can only have one car. Otherwise, there is no point in having two cars per team because those two cars are never effectively racing against each other.

        If you think its fine to give orders in the best interest of the team, then every team is going to start doing the same, and believe me you wont be very happy when you see that happen.

        1. .

          Yes in deed.

          I can’t agree more.

          BTW, in other sports , they called this sort of actions as ” FIXED ”

          If FIXED is found in horse racing ; fined to the owner, suspension / ban to the driver

          If FIXED is found in Las Vegas ; FIXER may be guided to the desert, and may get lost

          Let’s wait for words from Jean Todt. No, he only told Rubens to ” Let Michael pass for the championship ! ” that was when he was with Ferrari, and now he’s FIA’s President !

          Wait !



    3. steph’s ” … I can’t help but feel he’s adding fuel to the fire by talking down to people and dismissing their feelings on the issue…”

      Hmmm…somehow I have the same feeling when I see a brand new 458 Italia…in the servicing bay…..

      Thanks, steph!


  8. Only one sentence possible: Ferrari loose all points in world championship including the one-two in Bahrain.
    Then they will never ever do it again.
    The counsil must ruin the entire season for Ferrari.
    Plus 50Million in fines. I cannot believe the 100.000 fine.

    1. It’s likely that Ferrari will lose there constructors points with the drivers retaining theirs.

      1. _their_ constructors points sorry…

        shoot me now

    2. Yeah, thats fine as long as they hand the same punishment to McLaren for their drivers orders.

      1. If McLaren had given illegal team orders i’m prett sure they would get punished too.

        but the haven’t so … what’s your point?

        1. They have. Last year when Hekki. In the last race they told Jenson to defend when he was on the butt of Lewis’s car(so that he didnt attack lewis).

          But ofc, you didnt notice that because they aint driving in red.

          1. Last year when Hekki. In the last race they told Jenson to defend when he was on the butt of Lewis’s car(so that he didnt attack lewis).

            In Germany, you mean? When did they tell Button not to overtake Hamilton?

            Someone brought up the Kovalainen thing elsewhere, possibly in a different thread, but I’m not aware of any audio confirming it was a team order. Besides which, we should take into account the fact they were on different strategies. Look at the ease with which Hamilton passed Massa, for example. If he was a sitting duck, what chance had Kovalainen?

            But ofc, you didnt notice that because they aint driving in red.

            Your repeated insinuations that everyone else is somehow biaised have not gone unnoticed. Please show the other users of this site a little more respect.

          2. Steven,

            Could you try writing in english? I don’t have a clue what you are trying to say.

            Last year when Heiki what?

            Last race was Abu Dhabi. Hamilton’s car broke down. Why would anyone tell Jenson not to attack Hamilton?

            Honestly no sense at all.

          3. He’s referring to this GP where Jenson was defending from Webber in the early stages rather than having a go at Lewis. That doesn’t really work as an argument for McLaren preventing them from racing though, because as soon as Webber dropped back they radioed Jenson to tell him that he was one of the fastest on the track i.e. you don’t have Webber to worry about now, you can have a go at Lewis.

    3. you are absolutely right
      the only solution is
      1) ferrari gets everything you saying
      2) ferrari lives this cicus run by the british clown name bernie ecclestone and his friends
      then you will understand what formula 1 without ferrari means

      1. Formula one with out Ferrari means two less cars.

        I think you need to consider the seriousness of what Ferrari did last race, before you accuse people of not being fair.

        It’s bad for the sport, it’s bad for the fans, and in the end, it makes the team look bad as well.

  9. Luca is incredible.

    Stripped to the essence all this says is “It’s ok for Ferrari to cheat because that’s what we have always done”…. I’m astounded!

    1. Luca has effectively admitted that Ferrari has given the order and believes that it is perfectly fine to do so. Which is actually not true.

      All Luca has done is made a naive attempt to get to the minds of F1 fans, by trying to prove to people that his team works together, and his team comes first and it is more important than team orders. While at the same time completely spitting on the very meaning of the sport itself, which is racing. All that F1 means to him is business and ability for him to advertise his brand to make Ferrari more popular around the globe. The only reason he responds is to protect the business and their image, otherwise he would not bother.

  10. Lauda was a 2 times WDC with Ferrari and was respected for that but he has not been able to let anything happen in the sport without throwing his hat into the ring. Since he gave up racing he has had a go at nearly every team,track,driver and everyone else involed with the sport. Sadly unlike many past WDC’s when he speaks very few listen. Ferrari have always maintained that the team is bigger than any driver and outwith one or two the very best have driven for the team under those circumstances.

    1. RandomChimp
      26th July 2010, 19:54

      “Ferrari have always maintained that the team is bigger than any driver”

      Then why does it matter which way around the drivers finish?

      1. Because they want to atleast win the WDC. The constructors seems highly unlikely.

        1. Precisely. WDC means more than constructors considering the amount of hype around it.

          1. WDC is more likely to be won this year, not more important.

        2. Indeed and that is why the WMSC needs to take Alonso’s points away. Don’t give Ferrari the spoils of the crime.

  11. To do what is best for the team is to maximise the WCC points. What they did was maximise the WDC points for Fernando, that is manipulation of the WDC.
    Taking that into account Ferrari have manipulated the WDC when they were in the strongest possible team position, so to make excuses about it being best for team is absurd to the point of arrogance.
    Want to improve the show, make teams go for the WCC and let the drivers settle the WDC.

    1. At last someone making this point!

      How was Massa letting Alonso past helping the team? The points were the same. The consequence likely to be demotivating Massa and *losing* the team future points this season.

      The ‘team order’ phrase is misleading people: the move was done solely to benefit Alonso’s championship bid and possibly the big sponsors he’s brought in, who knows? Maybe the team’s *corporate* interests, but that’s somewhat different.

      I think Brundle’s double think on this question sums it up: he argues for banning team orders, but suggests any driver with any ambition should ignore them! Maybe he’s right.

      1. sorry, allowing team orders…

      2. Brilliant…David,

        Regardless of whoever that’ll be …

        Winner gets 25 points
        Second gets 18 points
        total 43 points

        …as Forrest Gump said…

        Oh. BTW, if those clowns have done this in Vegas, they may be led to the desert and ain’t coming back !



    2. I had an idea a while ago that while isn’t, I don’t, think practical and is rather a departure from what F1 has historically been, I though I’d share:

      2 races, first in spec cars provided by the FIA with points counting for the WDC and the result setting the grid for the second race, in which they race cars provided by their team, with points counting for the WCC.

      1. It’s an interesting idea. Unfortunately, what happens if the driver gets injured while at the wheel of the “spec car” and can’t drive his “manufacturer” one?

  12. “In any case, these things have happened since the days of Nuvolari and I experienced it myself when I was Sporting Director, in the days of Niki Lauda and not just then…”

    This was in the past before there was a rule, there is a rule now and they broke it..

    1. F1 was built on amateur drivers, very uncompetitive teams, drivers, second placed drivers finished many laps downs (this now doesn’t even happen in Le Mans 24h) ,no safety – drivers were killed on average every GP weekend, and a lot of team orders and car swapping between team mates!!!

      Does that make all this OK in current F1, or Motorsport or sport in general? No!! And I think DC’s arguments on Sunday were ridiculous, newer mind Ferrari lying about something which is cristal clear for every one!

      I agree that that was the past, and we can look in amusement and interest at it, BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THAT IS THE PAST! Not present.

      1. I was thinking along similar lines mate, could you imagine someone saying they weren’t going to adhere to the crash test rules this season because drivers dying on track is all a part of the sports history and traditions ?

        There are so many things that could be justified by saying it’s all part of the sports history but the fact remains that the rules are the rules and you either abide by them or you get disqualified.

        The debate about the suitability of the rules is a different issue, all that matters is the rules as they’re written today.

  13. I’m sorry, but this isn’t on. Top teams (and I’m not singling out Ferrari here, because we all know that McLaren, Red Bull, Renault, Williams, Jordan, etc etc etc) have done it in the past) can’t keep on justifying team orders by essentially saying “well, its always happened, so what are you complaining about?!?” We F1 fans have the right to expect more from the top teams. More technical innovation, more exciting racing, more development of young drivers and yes, more sportsmanship.

  14. rashid hasan
    26th July 2010, 19:29

    go somewhere else luca. u don’t belong in f1.

  15. when hamilton overtook the SC, he didn’t lose any points, the main opponents did

    in this case vettel or hamilton didn’t get less points

    so it’s nothing like valencia or silverstone, just blind mclaren fans would think it
    and still, no idea what SAVE FUEL means?
    you guys are all hypocrits
    brit blog, and mostly mclaren supporters reads it.
    still by far the best f1 site in the whole wide word, but english, why should they cheer for ferrari
    and it’s just an opinion

    1. In the context to which you are refering SAVE FUEL means don’t race, hold position (since you may run out of fuel).

      This definitely does not mean SWAP POSITION!

      Silverstone was just another example of Ferrari thinking that the rules do not apply to them.

    2. well said dude,i kinda get the same feeling

    3. So you are saying that Hamilton’s main opponents lost points because he overtook the SC?

    4. Anyone else getting sick of this sort of argument coming up?

      The vast majority of people who read this blog are F1 fans first, fans of specific teams and drivers second, and nationalistic morons a distant last.

      We all want to see what’s best for the sport. And in this case it’s hard to argue that letting Ferrari get away with this is good for the sport.
      Look at the coverage this has got in the wider media.
      None of my friends or family have much interest in F1 yet today I had loads of people talking about how Ferrari were up to their old tricks. Just like loads of people wanted to talk about Renault’s cheating in Singapore, and Mclaren’s cheating in Australia, and Mosley’s twisted personal life.
      It really doesn’t matter who you support, this sort of thing gives a very bad impression of Formula One to the wider public.

      1. 100% agree with you Mark!

      2. Couldn’t agree more.

      3. Thank you for your comments, Mark. Right on the “mark” as far as I’m concerned. Didn’t Keith once provide an article which outlined the geographic distribution of his site users not so long ago? If anyone can direct me, I would like to read it again.

      4. Just because they don’t realise that F1 is a TEAM SPORT as well. Massa was number 2 in his MS years, but his good performance in 08 earn him number 1 over defending champ Kimi. This season so far his performance is relatively bad compare to FA, Ferrari has the RIGHT to maximize the dirver’s title to FA. Keep it up Massa, next year is your turn.

      5. Fully agree. It was even in the main news here on Sunday!

      6. Excellent post.

      7. Well said mark.


        First, there is a specific rule against ordering one of your drivers to cede to the other, so Ferrari do not have that right.

        Second,It is a team sport, that’s why Massa and Alonso should have been very careful not to hit each other when Alonso should have been attacking him.

    5. At Silverstone, McLaren told Button to hold station and not attack the car in front, because he’d run out of fuel if he did.

      At Hockenheim, McLaren told Button to hold station and not attack the car in front, because he’d run out of fuel if he did.

      Why does the fact that the car was Rosberg in the first case and Hamilton in the second make a difference?

  16. *read, not reads, but there are other grammar errors in it, ofc, english isn’t my first language

  17. I read today in the Gazzetta dello Sport that at the 1936 Hungarian GP, Enzo Ferrari himself instructed Mario Tardini to let Tazio Nuvolari, his team mate, go past him.

    The thing is that, as there were no radio or indication panels, Enzo Ferrari waved a hammer (!) at Tardini to instruct him to hand his position to his team mate.

    Domenicali should have done the same; it would have been more original :D

    1. Oh my God!! A hammer!!

      Perhaps drivers should bargain for more money / other luxuries while bring given team orders.

      Team Radio will be even more funnier

      Rob Smedley: Felipe baby, $1,000,000 + Ferrari FXX

      Felipe: $2,000,000 + 2 Ferrari FXX + White Visor, otherwise I cannot see!!

      Rob : $1,000,000 + 2 Ferrari FXX + White Visor.

      Felipe: Deal.

    2. Yes but the whole point is that during the time of Nuvolari and of Lauda, team orders were perfectly legal and an accepted part of GP racing. Now they are explicitly illegal, exactly the same as running under weight, or using illegal fuel or using the wrong tyres. The whole of the Ferrari establishment seem either not to understand that, or to consider that because they are Ferrari it doesn’t matter and they can do what they want.

      1. Get it into your head! Mclaren and RBR have also given team orders this year! Why should the others be allowed to do it when Ferrari is not?

        Stop being such a hypocrite!

        “Save fuel”
        “Defend, dont attack”


        1. I cant’t remember any red bull, McLaren or a car of any other team this year slowing down to let a team member past. Infact with both Red Bull and McLaren we have had dramatic demonstrations that there are no team orders with wonderful fights between the team members

        2. Trying not to stoop to the same levels of rudeness you display to anyone who disagrees with you is not easy….

          Perhaps you should read the stewards report from Monaco 07 which clarifies that ‘hold station’ does NOT count as a contravention of 39.1.

          If you are so disgusted by the ‘British bias’ you perceive on this blog, please feel free to go elsewhere.

  18. There is a fundamental problem in F1 and it isn’t the problem of team orders.

    Ferrari clearly see themselves as a team, with fans who care that the team wins, but frankly I couldn’t give a driving monkey which teams wins as long as one of my drivers is in the seat.

    I would like to see Massa do well because he seems like a nice fella, I would like to see Alonso fail miserably because he doesn’t. That they are both in red cars means nothing to me.

    1. F1 is and has always been both a team sport and an individual one.

      Although you don’t give a driving monkey, I could probably find many people in the world who support Ferrari more than any of their drivers… and there are of course people such as yourself and me who care more about who is at the wheel.

      It’s both, but it’s not a ‘fundamental problem.’

      1. I could probably find many people in the world who support Ferrari more than any of their drivers…

        I’d be one of those :-)

        I still don’t support their actions this weekend, in fact my heart sank when I heard Felipe being advised that Fernando was quicker than him as I knew it meant that Felipe would have to give Fernando the win.

        It ruined the race for me and has also left me feeling pretty disgusted at Alonso, I never wanted him to join the team but I had slowly began warming to him over the last few races. Hearing him complaining to the team while being unable to pass Felipe has got me back to the situation I was in before the season began; there’s a guy driving for Ferrari and I don’t want him to win or even do well. It’s very difficult to balance this with my desire to see the team do well.

        I watched the race with some friends who are also Ferrari fans and up until the message had been sent we were really enjoying the race and we were so happy that Felipe was going to get the win. The guy has been with the team for about a decade now and he has always been a team player and has shown a great deal of respect towards the team and the fans and we thought it would be a great boost to him if he were to win this race, especially given the significance of the date in relation to his accident last year.

        Had the result not been changed the team would now have two drivers sitting 5th and 6th in the drivers championship and the team would be in the same position in the constructors championship, as it stands the drivers are 5th and 8th, the team are yet again being publicly disgraced, have been fined for cheating and could face an even more serious punishment from the WMSC.

        In all honesty I’m more ****** about this than I have been about anything the team have done in years as it appears to me they’re putting the interests of Alonso ahead of the interests of the team – although my dislike of Alonso may make me a little biased…

        1. Nice comment to read Beneboy. I was also really hoping that Massa would win the race and can’t help feeling he has been, if not exactly stabbed, somewhat prodded in the back by the team he did so proud in 2008 (a team that partly lost him the championship one could argue).

          He’s clearly still got the pace/start reactions/racing ability to win the championship – why else would he have been in the lead in the race? I think it’s quite sad, but then again my dislike of Alonso probably makes me a little biased too.

          1. Thanks John !

            I agree with what you’re saying mate.

            While Felipe was leading my friends and I were talking about how we thought that this result was exactly what he needed. He’s been struggling at a few races this year and (in my opinion) Felipe’s biggest problem is his confidence; if he believes he can win then more often than not he will and lately he just hasn’t looked like he believed it.

            My big fear now is that this destroys his confidence and self belief and he ends up as another Barrichello instead of being a genuine race driver for the team.
            I understood why, after so long away from the top, we needed to rebuild the team around a great driver like Schumacher but that’s no longer the case; we’ve got a great design team, test team, manufacturing team and two of the worlds best drivers, we may have had a bad start to the season but there were plenty of points left and no real need to do this other than to keep Alonso happy.

            That doesn’t sound like the best interests of the team to me, especially if the WMSC decides to make an example of the team in a few weeks time.

            And apologies for the stared out comment in my post above, I got a little carried away again. Although I also got CODT again so I may try getting carried away a little more often but maybe with a little more editorial restraint ;-)

        2. beneboy, I can relate to you liking the team, in your case Ferrari, but do you really get more excited about them winning the WCC than one of their drivers, or another driver, winning the WDC? I mean it a serious question, great if you do. It just doesn’t matter to me much – actually, at all! – if my favourite team misses out on the constructor’s championship. So, to be honest, like Andrew I couldn’t care less about the teams winning points. All of which is to say, I’d happily see the WCC scrapped, but I guess a lot of fans would object. And the teams presumably.

          1. I got into motorsport because of the Ferrari F40, when I fell in love with that car was about the time I was old enough to sit and watch a full race so I became a Ferrari fan. The team have always come first since then.

            When I first started watching there were loads of great drivers and Senna eventually became my favourite and I always wanted him to do well but I still wanted Ferrari to win. After Senna died I didn’t have a favourite driver again until Schumacher agreed to join Ferrari :-)

            Having the misfortune of being a Ferrari fan who was born in 1979 I had to wait until I was 21 until Ferrari won the Championship again and I can honestly tell you that it meant more to me than any drivers championship. I still get excited about the drivers championship but it doesn’t mean as much to me as the constructors because I don’t have the same emotional attachment to the drivers that I have to Ferrari.

            Senna is the only driver I’ve ever really loved, Schumacher came close but there’s never really been anyone else I’ve felt that way about. I’ve loved Ferrari for about as long as I can remember.

    2. 100% agree with that. Well said.

  19. Just to clear up one thing that keeps appearing in comments – 100.000 is the maximum fine stewards can impose, the real punishment will come from WMSC.

  20. How ’bout a new nickname for Luca? Instead of the Horse Whisperer he could be the Mad Hatter… “CHANGE PLACES!”

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