Red Bull fly to victory but FIA set to clip their wings (Red Bull race review)

Mark Webber, Red Bull, Hungaroring, 2010

Red Bull’s performance advantage was visible from first practice at the Hungaroring. It reached a peak of 1.214 seconds per lap – the gap between pole-sitter Vettel and third placed Fernando Alonso in qualifying.

But the flexing front wing which helped them achieve such amazing speed is likely to be outlawed at the next race.

Sebastian Vettel Mark Webber
Qualifying position 1 2
Qualifying time comparison (Q3) 1’18.773 (-0.411) 1’19.184
Race position 3 1
Average race lap 1’26.926 (+0.275) 1’26.651
Laps 70/70 70/70
Pit stops 2 1

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Sebastian Vettel

Vettel usually looked able to get better performance out of the super-soft tyre than his team mate. So it proved in qualifying, where Vettel claimed yet another pole position.

He kept his lead at the start and disappeared from the chasing Fernando Alonso at up to a second per lap.

But his cruise to victory was interrupted by the appearance of the safety car. Struggling with a radio that was only working intermittently, he failed to keep up with Webber and was handed a drive-through penalty.

That left him third behind Alonso and unable to get close enough to the Ferrari to pass. At one point he had the gap down to just 0.4 seconds but under-steered off at turn four, struggling in Alonso’s slipstream.

His facial expression on the podium said it all as he contemplated another opportunity to take the lead of the championship lost.

Compare Sebastian Vettel’s form against his team mate in 2010

Mark Webber

He was beaten to pole position by his team mate, then beaten to turn one by Alonso. But a smart strategic gamble by his team and a series of red-hot laps by Webber won him the race.

It’s a testament both to the capabilities of the car and its driver that Webber was able to pull out a 22-second lead over Alonso in 25 laps using tyres which covered more than half the race distance.

Webber’s fourth win of the year put him back in the lead of the drivers’ championship.

But the FIA have announced that as of the next race in Spa the teams’ front wings will be subject to new load tests. This may make it impossible for Red Bull to use their front wing which is clearly deflecting greatly at high speed and providing a significant performance benefit.

Compare Mark Webber’s form against his team mate in 2010

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110 comments on Red Bull fly to victory but FIA set to clip their wings (Red Bull race review)

  1. How is this any different from the Double diffuser controversy?
    If that was exploiting the loop hole than so is this.

    All this conjecture even without waiting for the new tests to be applied…

  2. Dianna said on 2nd August 2010, 22:55

    Well it seems we shall have to wait the outcome.If RBR’s speed dramatically drops in the next races and becomes more in line with the other cars,then the FIA will act.McLaren and other teams are forcing the FIA into this,and after the chicanery that cost Maclaren an arm and a leg,then RBR may be in for some wallet dropping fines.

  3. curedcat said on 3rd August 2010, 0:02

    The surprising thing here is that a lot of f1 fans think redbull started using this flexi-wing in silverstone . The reality is that redbull had this flexi-wing in spain . Having watched some onboard footage it will be safe to assume that rebull did not use the flexi-wing on tracks like bahrain , and monaco .

    I say the advantage for redbull in quali is this flexi-wing , i have not seen a race where they have qualified by a 1 second margin and were not flexing . Even at melbourne , vettel’s car was flexing .

    If other cars like mclaren set up their car to about 90milli from the ground to compensate for when 150kg of fuel is added but redull run thier cars at about 85milli and then flex their wings as well can any one not see the devastating speed they will have . the ground effect is immmense .

    I say take off the flexi-wing and lets have a level playing ground

    • Daffid said on 3rd August 2010, 14:11

      Yes, let’s have a level playing field. So let’s take off the f-ducts as well. And equalise engine power, since some teams exploited loopholes on engine reliability modifications during the freeze better than others. McLaren’s pace is founded on questionable loophole exploitations just as is Red Bull’s

      • curedcat said on 3rd August 2010, 23:13

        how many times does it have to be banged on your head that the f-duct does not break the rules . the rule states that no movable aerodynamic device is permitted , no component of the f-duct “moves”, .The f-duct is an exploitation of a loop-hole , the flex-wing on the other hand is deliberate attempt to make a fool out of the FIA .

        If you have a way of boozing and passing the sobriety tests conducted by the police and despite you been way over the limit you are not caught , does that mean you do not break the rules ? . just because you can get round the testing process does not make it legal . the video evidence shows that the redbull wing breaks the law and thats why the FIA will clip that wing .

        talking about engine equality , i am sure that was not a problem for redbull last season , they were still comfortably the fastest car in the field .

  4. antonyob said on 3rd August 2010, 12:57

    From James Allens site:

    “…But this also matters because the linear flexing might only be a part of what the Red Bull nose is doing. There is a theory among engineers, based on looking at the whole front wing when its loaded up, that there is some kind of spring loaded device in the crash structure to deflect the whole wing down, over and above what the wing tips do”

  5. xtophe said on 3rd August 2010, 15:47

    Surely, if this is considered a moveable areo-part, then the idea of an F-duct is just as much a moveable areo-part aswell? Air is redirected to the rear wing to make it flex in a certain way to reduce drag. Same thing with the RB6 and F10 front wings: air makes the wing flex in a certain manner. The direction of the discussion is correct, the reasons and rules that people are using to start the discussion are, in my opinion, bogus.

    Even if the wing is deemed illegal under the new test, and say RBR loses dominance in Spa and Monza, no one will be able to tell if it is due to the wing or due to the nature of the circuits. In the event of an illegal wingdesign, we’ll have to wait until Singapore or maybe even Suzuka to evaluate the advantage RBR had.

    p.s.: I don’t really support for any team, I’m in it for awesome driving.

    • rpaco said on 3rd August 2010, 16:07

      Hi
      No, with the F Duct the rear wing does not flex, instead it creates a condition that has a similar result in reducing drag. This is achieved by introducing an extra stream of air (via the F duct) at a critical point on the underside of the wing, this changes the point at which the air “breaks away” from the rear face of the wing, effectively reducing the vacuum effect behind the wing.
      When the F duct is not open the wing works normally and the air “sticks” to the back of the wing for longer increasing both downforce and drag. McLaren used an “air switch” technique which I first saw on Tomorrows World about 30 years ago. (Bit like an air transistor, uses a small airflow to flip the path of a large one from one route to another)
      (Apologies for my simplifications)

  6. Rapu said on 3rd August 2010, 23:42

    As soon as a team get a technical advantage within the rules, they want to changes the testing (for rule compliance)! Why? Why don’t they get rid of all wings! If a faster car cannot pass a slower car something is wrong.

  7. Davetherave said on 5th August 2010, 4:49

    Think it would be an idea for all ‘posters’ to indicate at the top of post just which team they support !
    Then we would probably get a true idea why they either agree with the wing or not ?

  8. Eric said on 5th August 2010, 9:13

    quote from James Allen website.
    after reading this i was totally hacked off about F1.

    it is manipulated by those in power to bring closer racing which has cheating behind close doors outa sight outa mind.

    an excuse to give some a couple of race wins to brighten up F1, until the media or others pick it up then complain.

    read this and tell me, your thoughts?

    “Whiting tends to like to keep things out of the public domain and so when he and Bauer pick something up, he marks a team’s cards that he doesn’t want to see it again at the next race. In this way Newey’s cars can have a few wins under their belt before something is spotted and has to come off”.

    i know a lot of you like the development and ingenuous way F1 gets ahead in motor sport, but this is outrageous, putting illegal updates on a car then waiting till your told to remove it without a hint of being penalized plus maybe even taking race wins in the meantime.
    that is just as bad as manipulating who wins a race.

    Whiting an Co are the worst example to be scrutinizing F1 cars i could thing of,
    just to think we also back these guys to give us a fair and just race, no wounder we are each other throats.

  9. Eric said on 7th August 2010, 9:02

    after watching the restart of the Hungarian GP,
    from onboard of Webbers car, you couldn’t help notice what happens to the wing when he looses down force as Alonso’s car tracks across.
    how much movement have they got?
    unbelievable amount of movement.

    what it here.
    http%3A%2F%2Fvidmg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv132%2Flethalnz%2FF1%2520racing%2FWebbersbouncingfrontwing.mp4

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