Lauda: Ferrari will get a pasting from WMSC

Former world champion and Ferrari driver Niki Lauda has said he expects the Italian team will be heavily punished by the FIA?s World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) next month for their use of team orders at the German Grand Prix.

??What they did in Hockenheim was against all rules,?? Lauda said in an interview with the official Formula 1 website.

??Either the rules are changed or everybody observes them. What they?ve done is wrong and they got an immediate punishment – and they will get a pasting from the World Council, that is for sure.??

Ferrari received a $100,000 fine for breaking the Sporting Regulations during the German Grand Prix.

The WMSC will meet to consider the matter on September 8, just two days before the start of Ferrari’s home Grand Prix.

The three-time world champion added that in his view Ferrari?s actions were an insult to the intelligence of Formula One fans:

You have two models of how to race in Formula One as a team. If you approach it politically then you are in the Ferrari mould. Or you try to give both your drivers equal opportunities and the fans an exciting sport, as Red Bull are doing in letting their drivers compete with each other.

That is what makes this sport a crowd puller because they see the best guys in the best cars racing each other with a ??may the best man win? philosophy – and not mocking the fans with a collusive result.
Niki Lauda

Fernando Alonso passed Felipe Massa to win the German Grand Prix after the team had been heard instructing Massa that he was slower than his team mate. Massa later admitted he let Alonso past but said he did so of his own choosing.

The stewards found Ferrari guilty of breaking article 39.1 of the Sporting Regulations which forbid team orders that influence the outcome of the race.

They additionally adjudged it to be a transgression of article 151c of the International Sporting Code, relating to bringing the sport into disrepute, the same section that McLaren were famously found in violation of in 2007.

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64 comments on Lauda: Ferrari will get a pasting from WMSC

  1. adam mason said on 19th August 2010, 21:38

    Full on its 630am in Aussieland and F1F is awake. My Goodness.Ferrari might just get away with this one.

  2. Bartholomew said on 19th August 2010, 21:40

    Alonso only talked on the team radio to state a fact : that he was faster than Massa. Then the team called Massa to notify him of Alonso´s opinion.
    I don´t see how this can be interpreted as “team orders”.

    It´s about time that Lauda has something cheerful to say. He only talks about bad news.

    • Cyclops said on 19th August 2010, 22:00

      Have you been drinking?

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 20th August 2010, 0:24

        No, but Ferrari fans have this incredible ability to justify everything the team does.

        • David-A (@david-a) said on 20th August 2010, 0:49

          Way to generalise. I’m a Ferrari fan, but didn’t like or justify the events of that race. Don’t throw me or other rational fans in with the likes of Bartholomew.

          • matt90 said on 20th August 2010, 2:30

            Fair enough. Unfortunately when some fans are as mad as that it is far to easy to forget that there are rational ones. The same happens in every discussion. There are enough crazy Hamilton/Alonso and Ferrari/McLaren that when anybody speaks in favour of a group, they are assumed to be one of the mental fanatics.

          • Bartholomew said on 21st August 2010, 13:20

            I´m a hardcore McLaren fan, not a Ferrari fan !
            but I also like Alonso very much

    • So Rob Smedley was just stating the facts aswell then was he? I think not.

    • Hairs (@hairs) said on 19th August 2010, 22:43

      If Alonso was faster, why didn’t he manage to build up a gap of more than a few seconds after ~20 laps?

      A) Because he wasn’t being held up at all.

  3. broke EVERY rule? yeah you right old man…
    they got a fine, they won’t get anything more serious than that. The irony is that they can only blame massa for the manouver, he is the one who did something, ferrari and alonso just minded their own business, but it would be the most unfair decision ever to pentalise Massa. Anyway, alonso WAS faster, no doubt, he is faster throughout the season, so no big deal, the mclaren fans didn’t like it.
    After the last GP, that 7 points will mean a LOT, and u know it!

    • daykind said on 20th August 2010, 9:24

      Yes, he was faster and is the only Ferrari in the title race, so Ferrari made the right call.

      • daykind, remember that in old money, Alonso was only 8 points ahead.

        … LSL, let me make this absolutely clear, they can blame team management for the bit where THEY BROKE THE RULES…

        Sorry if the caps made your eyes bleed, I just thought it needed it.

  4. Jack Peekoc said on 19th August 2010, 22:07

    In the council, the British linked members will vote for Alonso’s points to be removed. Luckily every other nationality will vote otherwise.

    • I think that’s a bit unfair. It’s a bit like blamely D Hill solely for Schumi’s Monaco punishment

    • John H said on 19th August 2010, 23:52

      Not again Peekoc

    • matt90 said on 20th August 2010, 2:34

      See my point on generalisation above. Just because some people are British and may hate Alonso, not all are. I’m British. I don’t particularly like Alonso. Would I necessarily jump at giving the harshest punishment I could just because of it? No, I’d give a punishment that reflects the crime.

  5. matt88 (@matt88) said on 19th August 2010, 22:13

    if FIA want a hard punishment for Ferrari, it can’t be harder than the one they applied to Renault after Singapore 2008, F1 is not a joke.

    Lauda seems more interested in praising his Austrian compatriots of Red Bull, but he forgets how much Vettel is favoured in comparison to his team-mate Webber.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 20th August 2010, 0:26

      Yes, but Rd Bull don’t go issuing team orders. Sure, they swapped the front wings at Silverstone, but they at least gave a justification for it: Vettel was ahead on points and had been faster across the weekend at a crucial stage in the championship. Red Bull couldn’t take the fight to Brawn last year because they were too busy taking points out of one another. They wanted to avoid that this year.

      • David-A (@david-a) said on 20th August 2010, 0:42

        Mark Webber was leading the championship, and the race at Istanbul. Did they show a similar level of favouritism for him then?

      • Patrickl said on 20th August 2010, 2:18

        I’d say that Red Bull alse used illegal team orders.

        Helmut Marko was pretty clear that it was vital that Vettel got ahead of Webber and that the only fault was that the race engineer forgot to inform Webber of this.

        Besides, telling one driver to save fuel and informing the other that he has 3 laps to go and overtake the fuel saving one, is a team order that interferes with the race result as well.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 20th August 2010, 7:29

          I also noticed Lauda praising Red Bull for giving both guys the same opportunities, something i seriously doubt.
          Why not praise McLaren instead, where both drivers and the team feel they do their best to be impartial this year?

          As far as punishment is concerned, you state the obvious problem FIA has with their penalties. They can hardly be consistent, as the only consistency in their punishments so far has been an incredible unconsistancy!

          Toyota got Ferrari data – not even prosecuted by the FIA. McLaren has Ferrari data – 100M fine and points stripped. Renault has McLaren data – no penalty at all. And so on.

      • Its clear RedBull favour Vettel, your blind if you can’t see that.
        With McLaren, its hard to say, Hamilton is so much faster than Button, that even if the team were more behind him (Button), that would just not work.
        Its a team sport, two drivers, the “team” wants the best possibly out come, for the “team” of course they are going to favour a driver who has more chance of winning the championship than the other!
        Its just sad that Massa missed out on winning, if it was the first race of the season it would have been so different.

  6. Dan Newton said on 19th August 2010, 22:18

    Sometimes its hard to be from that little island just off the coast of europe. Right or wrong, we’re always wrong. Hahaha. Im off for a pint…..

  7. To be honest, almost everything I’ve heard Lauda say has been rubbish. After numberous team orders since 2003, in my opinion, it would be wrong to punish Ferrari heavily, when we’ve seen many teams get away with team orders.

    • Ads21 (@ads21) said on 19th August 2010, 22:57

      “To be honest, almost everything I’ve heard Lauda say has been rubbish”

      I was just about to say the same thing, its a shame such a great driver gets a case of verbal diarrhea every time there’s a controversy in F1.

      • Dorian said on 20th August 2010, 0:00

        I’m with you guys, I rarely agree with anything Lauda has to say.

        Also, am I just imagining this or does Lauda often speak negatively of Ferrari (especially considering he drove for them) or is it just me?

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 20th August 2010, 7:30

          Yes, I also have the feeling he has a grudge against them. Altough I used to put it on not liking Schumi for years, but that can no longer be the reason.

          • TimG (@timg) said on 20th August 2010, 8:38

            Lauda certainly didn’t leave Ferrari under the happiest of circumstances.

            After his near-fatal crash at the Nurburgring in 1976, Lauda strongly felt that Ferrari had written him off as a competitive prospect and was looking to replace him as team leader with Carlos Reutemann – signed for 1977 in place of the more affable Clay Regazzoni. He had some grounds for this, as Ferrari under Enzo’s leadership was never sentimental about its drivers. I also seem to remember Ferrari sacked one of Lauda’s favourite mechanics for no apparent reason.

            Lauda was once asked whether he saw Reutemann as a team mate or a rival – devastatingly, he simply replied “neither”. For 1977, he pushed hard to wrap up the title as quickly as possible and then left for Brabham before the end of the season.

            Niki was certainly on the receiving end of some fairly harsh treatment from the Scuderia. But whether that would explain a grudge…

    • Patrickl said on 20th August 2010, 2:27

      The problem is not with “team orders”, but with “team orders which interfere with the race result”.

      Agreed though, I think McLaren got away with their illegal team orders in Monaco 2007. The FIA just wasn’t able to find enough evidence to penalize them.

      Obviously McLaren held Hamilton back. They gave him 5 laps extra fuel on each stint so he was slower than Alonso and then did not let him use that strategic advantage to pass Alonso.

      In the end those points they took from Hamilton would have given them the WDC. Guess by then they still assumed that Alonso was their best bet for the title.

      Still, that wasn’t nearly as blatant as what Ferrari did in Hockenheim though.

      I do expect Ferrari to get penalized harshly too.

  8. Dan Selby said on 19th August 2010, 22:53

    “Alonso only talked on the team radio to state a fact : that he was faster than Massa. Then the team called Massa to notify him of Alonso´s opinion.
    I don´t see how this can be interpreted as “team orders”.

    It´s about time that Lauda has something cheerful to say. He only talks about bad news.”

    baaaahahahahahahaha :) sorry I don’t normally do that, but…

  9. US_Peter said on 19th August 2010, 22:58

    I hope he’s right. At the very least their points towards the constructor’s should be stripped. Monetary penalties clearly mean nothing to Ferrari. For the fine they received they only have to sell half a car and it’s paid for. If they’re given a fine that they actually feel, maybe they’ll think twice about breaking the rules again next time.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 20th August 2010, 0:28

      Or, just ban them from the Italian Grand Prix and make it known that they only have themselves to blame.

      • W154 said on 20th August 2010, 3:00

        A Ferrari ban at Monza? The British, German, French, Indian and Austrian governments would have to send troops to Monza to protect their teams from the Italian fans !!

      • Manu said on 21st August 2010, 1:16

        Was your dog run over by a Ferrari when you were a kid? Just asking… I’ve read some of your comments and to me it looks like you are suffering from a severe case of Scuderiaphobia.

        Anyway people asking for a a point penalty, a race-ban and whatnot are just deceiving themselves. They’re probably going to get a larger fine and maybe a suspended race-ban, nothing more.

    • Patrickl said on 20th August 2010, 2:30

      What’s the point of taking the constructors points away? That will hurt them even less than a monetary fine.

      The whole point is that their illegal team orders did noting for their constructors championship, but that they favoured Alonso over Massa.

      If the FIA want to hurt Ferrari they will need to take Alonso’s points away.

      • mfDB said on 20th August 2010, 4:27

        Patrick, that won’t happen. Technically, Alonso didn’t do anything. The team told Massa to move (kind of) and he did. If they get more punishment it will be the ‘team’. Similar to Renault in Singapore…Alonso didn’t get punished even though he was the one that benefited.

        I personally think 3 things 1) Ferrari wont have current points stripped (the team orders were just vague enough to make this a hard sell for the FIA) 2) Alonso will not be punished at all, and 3) I’m sick of old F1 drivers mouthing off about F1 drama, even when they are correct…

      • US_Peter said on 20th August 2010, 6:59

        You have a point, but it’s highly unlikely they’d do anything to Alonso, whether or not he had a hand in it.

      • Unfortunetly Patrick is right,

        Ferrari have clearly broken the rules, that’s pretty much obvious, but to punish them, you kinda have to take away what they broke the rules in order to acquire.

        Which in this case, is Fernando Alonso’s championship points.

  10. DaveW said on 20th August 2010, 1:58

    Unless Lauda has inside informationen this is just another tongue wagging.

  11. wasiF1 (@wasif1) said on 20th August 2010, 3:32

    The worst may be that Ferrari are strip from the Constructure championship just like Mclaren were in 2007.I don’t think that they will be ban for some races. Will they be fined more money? May be but I doubt.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 20th August 2010, 7:33

      I expect more something like a suspended race ban and maybe constructors points stripped. But it might end without any further penalty or a far bigger penalty, depending on the point the FIA want to make.

  12. Cacarella said on 20th August 2010, 3:55

    I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again…

    Singapore 2008 – Renault issues a team order (granted – not during a race) for their driver to purposely crash his car to fix a race, endangering the lives and well-being of fans, marshals, and possibly other drivers.
    For this they received a monetary fine and a suspended race ban.

    If Ferrari are given anything greater than this than everyone will now that F1 is truly a farce.

    Anyone who expects or demands any greater than this has a clear grudge against the name ‘Ferrari’.

    BTW… I’m not overly optimistic about them not being a farce.

    • gDog said on 20th August 2010, 4:32

      Renault the F1 team got away with it seemingly lightly because it was the action of a few people directly involved and they were forced out of F1.

      Ferrari continue to deny any wrong doing and are effectively sticking two (or one depending on your preference) fingers up at the FIA. I have no idea which way it will go, but nothing will surprise me in this case.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 20th August 2010, 7:35

      In a way you are right, giving harsher penaty for this than for Singapore seems bad. Difference is, that Renault clearly made steps to ensure something like that can not happen again and admitted it was wrong, while Ferrari will not do something like that now.

      But most likely, the punishment (if any) will be completely unrelated, as the FIA has never looked at consistancy in their punishments.

      • The other difference is that the Renault issue was investigated a year after it happened, making it hard to punish.

        • Jarred Walmsley said on 22nd August 2010, 9:50

          Yes, thats a very good point, also as BasCB said, Renault showed remorse for what they did and got rid of the people who orchestrated that event, and also admitted they were wrong.

          In this case Ferrari are not admitting they were wrong, I can’t see them firing De Monte over this, and they certainly won’t say they are sorry

  13. Lauda will say anything to get his name in the ‘paper’. I’ve learnt to pay no attention to what he says.

  14. Smedley even apologized to Massa over the radio… of course it was a team order.

  15. rampante said on 20th August 2010, 9:00

    Lauda yet again lets rip. He has been a very bitter man for as long as I can remember. He disliked Ferrari (both the team and the man) he fell out with Ron Dennis, Prost, Senna and Regazzoni and has not had a good word to say about the sport for 30 odd years. This has very little to do with what team you support, it’s about what is a fair punishment for being obvious. What’s the point in saying Mclaren did this and RBR did that. This is about Ferrari and the German gp. I can’t see anymore than an increased fine and a suspended sentence but with the WMSC anything could happen.

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