Jarno Trulli, Timo Glock, Bruno Senna, Interlagos, 2010

Massa wants lapped cars out of the way – do you agree?

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Jarno Trulli, Timo Glock, Bruno Senna, Interlagos, 2010
Jarno Trulli, Timo Glock, Bruno Senna, Interlagos, 2010

Felipe Massa wants to revive the rule allowing lapped cars to get back on the lead lap during a safety car period.

This idea seemed to be a popular one in the reaction to the Brazilian Grand Prix on Sunday.

The rule is used in other championships and F1 used to have such a rule, but it was dropped at the start of this season. Do you want the rule to be revived?


The advantage of safety car periods is that they bring cars together on the track, promoting closer racing.

But that benefit is spoiled if there are lots of lapped cars between the leaders – as was the case at Interlagos.

There was so much traffic between the leaders it pretty much guaranteed an uneventful end to the race.

As Felipe Massa said afterwards:

In my opinion, it was better when the rules allowed cars to un-lap themselves when they were behind the Safety Car, as it would have made the racing more interesting.

This is especially true when you consider the situation in the championship, because there were at least a couple of backmarkers between Vettel and Webber at the restart and a lot more between Webber and Fernando, so it was not particularly good in terms of the show.
Felipe Massa

Of course, Massa may well have said this because he was a lap down at the time and would have benefited from getting a lap back.


Safety cars already disadvantage leading cars by eradicating the time advantages they have built up over their rivals.

Is it right that they should also lose the benefit of having lapped more cars than those behind them?

This boils down to an argument about whether to implement rules that are for the benefit of ‘the show’ or rules that are better for F1’s sporting credibility.

I say

I like the idea of getting lapped traffic out of the way in principle. But in practice it’s not easy to implement in F1 without causing other complications.

The sheer amount of time it takes for lapped traffic to complete an extra lap and re-join the end of the safety car train is one such problem.

Because the safety car typically laps the track at more than half racing speed, allowing lapped cars to catch up takes at least two laps.

This is a particular problem close to the end of a race. It led the race director to ignore the rule on some occasions when it was in the regulations.

For example at Suzuka last year the restart was given with four laps to go while leader Sebastian Vettel had the lapped Romain Grosjean right behind him.

The rule works far better in championships that have shorter tracks and slower safety cars – NASCAR and IndyCar, for example. But few F1 circuits are shorter than five kilometres.

An alternative solution could be to force anyone who’s been lapped by the leader to fall to the rear of the safety car train. But it may prove too difficult to instruct drivers to organise themselves in that fashion as each would not necessarily know how many other cars to allow past.

You say

Do you think lapped cars should be allowed to unlap themselves during safety car periods? Cast your vote below and have your say in the comments.

Should lapped cars be allowed to unlap themselves behind the safety car?

  • Yes (71%)
  • No (25%)
  • No opinion (5%)

Total Voters: 1,915

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  1. I think they should because we saw a situation in Brazil where the viewers didn’t really know who was in what position as the cars were close on track but in the wrong order.

    In my opinion we were robbed of a battle between Seb, Mark and Fernando (Though I would say that!)

    1. They should be allowed to unlap themselves or at least allow front runners to pass them. I hate this rule in Indycar and very disappointed they brought the same rule into F1. We got robbed of a great restart in Brazil and lost count this year how many great restarts that was robbed from the Indycar fans due to this silly rule.

      Hate the rule with a passion. Because not only do we get a sad restart but the lapped cars will be getting blue flagged like crazy after the restart to let the front runners past. Why not let them unlap themselves file in at the end. Now there will be no traffic for the front runners for a while and the midfield and rear guard will be able to fight between themselves without having to worry about constantly getting blue flagged.
      Would IMO result in more exciting racing across the entire field.

      1. I’am kind of 50/50 with allowing them to unlap themselves, because I see the downsides.
        But I’am all for the idea of lapping cars while under SC, I see why it would be sometimes confusing for some backmarkers to know to let or don’t let the car behind past you, but with the flag lights on the steering wheel and the lead drivers being so arrogant they shouldn’t have any problem forcing their way trough :D

      2. We didn’t get robbed of anything. If there had been no SC incident then those backmarkers would still have been between the cars.

        Vettel and Webber would have been the ones robbed — robbed of the lead they’d built up.

        This is a sport people. What makes you think it is fair to allow people to catch up when someone else crashes? How is that sport?

        1. I couldn’t agree more. The old rule for unlapping cars always seemed crazy and so false to me. Also it made a mockery of the safety car. If the back markers can circulate quite safely by themselves when unlapping themselves what do you need the safety car for!

        2. I completely agree Daniel.

          It is true that removing the lapped cars would make it more exciting, but so would splitting the race into 5 short sprints, where they line up on the grid after each section. More exciting, while desirable, does nothing for the credibility of the sport.

          @Jim N – Spot on, the safety car is their for safety, and it’s use shouldn’t be handicapped by rules to make it more exciting. F1 is always talking about safety, so to limit the safety cars usefulness seems rather bizarre.

        3. Give that man a coconut.

          Daniel knows exactly what’s what, and effortly nails it full-square. There’s little enough sport left in this business, let’s at least try to hang-on to what we’ve got.

          1. Yep, totally agree with Daniel, Jim, Mike… Quite frankly I’m astonished by the voting so far (at the time of writing 72% want the “race” to be artificially manipulated.)

    2. If the safety car had never been deployed then we wouldn’t have had that scenario either.

      As another commenter stated about lapped cars: is that they’re lapped because the leader passed them. So must every else as well.

      The idea is absurd. In sport you don’t create an artificial situation for the viewer. The race is for the drivers and thus anything that takes away from the “realness” is wrong. I include in that forced tire changes.

    3. I agree, that this situation behind the safetycar barred almost everyone from racing in the last laps.

      It separated the leaders from each other but it also seperated the rest from each other (Rosberg, Schumacher from Button and Kobayashi, Alguersuari Sutil et al from Hulkenberg and Kobayashi. So it was a shame for everyone.

      But i voted no, as i remember only too well, how it used to take for several more laps to have all cars unlap themselves in regular fashion.

      I would support the possibility of having them sorted in running order. With the radio this should not be any problem with arranging that (with a drive through for not giving way).

      1. I agree, however I can’t help but feel that we might have still had a fight at the finish if Vettel had some cars in front of him as well. Maybe the safety car should just pick up whoever meets it first rather than waiting for the leader? It does seem a little stupid having one of those rules but not the other

        1. Bigredbears10
          9th November 2010, 20:59

          As another commenter stated about lapped cars: is that they’re lapped because the leader passed them. So must every else as well.

          Maybe the safety car should just pick up whoever meets it first rather than waiting for the leader?

          I agree. Why does the leader (who may be about to lap a full train of cars) get the benefit of a clear track to run away from his pursuers, yet they get no such benefits. I don’t think the cars should be able to unlap themselves, because it is not “sporting,” but neither should the leader get a free pass and advantage over rivals.

          Besides, I’ve always felt that the reason for a SC is because the track is dangerous. Yet the most dangerous part, immediately after the wreck when the driver(s) are vulnerable in/around the car, the SC allows numerous cars to drive through the dangerous area at high speed while waiting for the leader to come around.

          Doesn’t make sense.

          1. Well said. I voted for letting cars unlap but reading the comments here I’ve changed my mind. The SC is enough of a randomizer *without* letting cars unlap. Think of when a driver builds a gap in which to pit, only to see that gap suddenly turn into a penalty. Meanwhile, with the same stroke of luck another driver benefits because he just happens to be near the pit entrance when the SC is deployed.

            The SC should deploy as soon as possible after a serious incident occurs, and whichever driver happens to be the one behind the SC when it enters the circuit should also lead the pack when the SC peels off.

        2. I agree too. The leader should not get an artificial advantage while everyone else gets stuck behind back markers. If the leader happens to be the one that ends up behind the SC then fair enough but if not the hard luck. The safety car should be deployed immediately and pick up whoever happens to be at that point of the circuit as you say.

          1. I agree, not only is this the fairest solution, that holds up the sports credibility. But quite frankly, I think it would be the most interesting as well.

      2. Well said. I do agree with the people here who suggest the leader shouldn’t get the advantage of being first though, if we leave everyone else in their track position to not further than the SC already does disadvantage anyone who had a gap behind them.

        Of course, then the rule about the race leader setting the pace until the white SC line also needs to be changed back again then.

    4. i remenber seing rosberg letting massa get passed because he thought he was alonso obviously blue flags were too confuse and it brought less excitement than before the safety car period

    5. I agree with allowing cars to ‘unlap’ themselves in theory, however as usual Keith has hit the nail on the head so to speak.

      How to do it effectively and with minimal difficulties would be the major factor. If you also take into account the times the safety car has come out for genuine safety purposes (i.e a 3 or 4 car pile up, or parts strewn across the track) it would be unwise to allow lapped cars to try to ‘unlap’ themselves as well.

      While it’s not brilliant, allowing faster cars to overtake slower or lapped cars still adds to the show, it increases the excitement levels especially at the pointy end of the season when a mistake by a lapped HRT or Virgin can wreck the Championship for Red Bull or Ferrari (or whoever is leading at that stage).

  2. Yes

    Your Comment Was Abit Too Short

    1. yes.

      Nothing more irritating than back-markers.

  3. I voted no, because the question was “allow lapped cars to unlap themselves”. However, I vote YES for removing lapped cars from between those cars on the lead lap.

    I would achieve this, as Keith alluded to, by allowing the lead lap’s cars to form up behind the leader by them overtaking the lapped cars ahead. I would write the rule so the responsibility is with the lapped cars to move off the racing line on the straights, and the lead lap cars to move forward in unison as the straight allows safely until such time as it’s done… shouldn’t take much more than a lap to be honest.

    1. I agree that this is the best option. I’ve got it all figured out:

      Lapped drivers could be informed of their status using a combination of pit-car radio and steering wheel lights. For extra safety, a confirmation button for them to indicate they have received the message, which would cause their rear light to flash (double speed of wet/pit-limiter light), to inform the driver behind.

      Each circuit would have designated “move-aside” zones on (a) straight(s), which the drivers would be informed of at the drivers briefing.

      Once the train has formed, the radio/lights/blue flags in the zone would tell lapped drivers to move off the racing line in unison and reform (in their own lapped-drivers order) at the back of the train.

      If time and laps allow, this could then be repeated for multiple-lapped cars within that rear section.

      Now can somebody tell FOTA/FIA how it should be done?

      1. …or send the lapped cars down the pit lane, as suggested below (good idea ozzmosis!)

      2. I like how you’ve left nothing to imagination =)

        Of course, you have a problem if an accident occurs in the designated move aside zone

        1. So a track needs at least two such zones. Solved!

          I think this idea has some promise, although it sounds a bit complicated – but I guess if it is combined with stop and go penalties to make sure people move over and don’t abuse the system, it might be workable.

    2. To avoid the confusion of a backmarker not knowing how many cars to let past, it can be done like this, in two stages.

      First, the lapped cars all together unlap themselves and move to the front of the queue. So now you have a train of lapped cars in front with a train of cars on the lead lap right behind.

      Then immediately after, the lapped cars train in front can move off line to allow the lead-lap train to overtake them.

      There you go, now the lead-lap cars are in front, the lapped cars behind. And it can all happen within half a lap if executed well..

      1. Sounds weird, but how about a solution with 2 SC’s, SC “A” has the train behind it, and the other, SC “B” is a few hundred meters ahead: then they can tell each car in race order to overtake the whole train, past SC “A” (which is the train leader), but queue up behind SC “B”/behind the last car of that new train. Job done isn’t it?

        And make sure the cars behind SC “A” don’t weave or do anything crazy, but to follow its line on the track, so that the train leaves a gap for the overtaking cars to do said overtaking quickly.

        With that said, in Monaco this would take quite a while!

        1. If Lewis couldn’t work out what the line meant when he overtook the safety car… I just can’t see this working…

          Fantastic idea for sure, but I just don’t think it’s practical.

  4. 100% yes.

    The lapped traffic ruined the second part of the race, so many potential battles lost.

    OK, so it would take a few laps for it to be sorted, but thats better than 30 laps of nothing.

    1. I thought the problem with letting the lapped cars by was that they race like crazy to get back to the end of the train and therefore blow by the “accident” that caused the safety car. In doing so they put many lives in danger. If so, that method is unacceptable.

      Some of the previous comments about the lapped cars moving backwards sound like good ideas though…

      1. They weren’t released by the Safety car to unlap themselves until the track was safe, so them speeding through the accident zone wasn’t a problem.

        Personally I think they need to do something, aside from the Webber/Vettel battle, we were also robbed of seeing what Hamilton and Button on fresh option tyres could do against Alonso who was on worn tyres on Sunday…

        1. You mean the fresh option tyres they wouldn’t have been on if there had been no SC?

          I was 14 when the SC was first introduced in F1. I hated the idea then and I still hate it now. I would prefer that the race is stopped and times added together. But there are better options.

          A full course speed limit would slow the cars to a safe speed for medical cars and marshalls, and maintain the gaps between drivers.

          Another idea is to stop the race and then later restart the cars from the pit-lane in the order they last crossed the line with the same gaps between them. You simply flash the car’s number when they are allowed to go.

          Let’s say that Vettel had lapped the field yesterday, but unbeknownst to him his tyres were close to worn through as a result. How would it have been in anyway sport to allow everyone else to catch him up? How is it fair to allow anyone to catch up at all?

          1. How is it also fair that the leader my have been approaching a group of backmarkers and the safety car then picks the leader up giving him a clear track at the restart? As someone posted above, the safety car should simply pick up whoever is behind it when deployed not just the leader.

          2. But that’s no fairer – I think we have to accept that once the safety car comes out whoever it ‘picks up’ is gong to lose a huge amount of time to whatever car is in front of it. Given that, it might as well be leader as it makes life more interesting, besides which they can take it into account in their strategy. Otherwise it’s a bit arbitrary.

          3. That’s a fair point.

  5. I defintiely agree. Just because of lapped cars, Alonso almost had several crashes. And more importantly his chance to fight Webber after SC period was taken away by traffic. And it´s not been the only situation in the past.

  6. I think all the slower cars should be removed from the championship altogether!!

    1. Yes, I agree, we should have time trial at the beginning and the winner can race by itself for the rest of the season….

  7. Steffan Harries
    9th November 2010, 16:16

    I agree, lapped cars should be able to unlap themselves while under a saftey car situation. The saftey car is effectively a rolling reace-restart so having the cars back in the correct order under that restart just makes sense.

    It might not be the easiest thing to implement, and may mean lapped cars using more fuel than they would otherwise and take up more time…but it just makes sense. It promotes better racing, a more exciting show and introduces that challenge to the drivers to regain the lead they had previous to a saftey car deployment.

    1. Plus it stops those who have just been lapped from losing out in situations like sundays. The leaders were travelling through the pack so while Hulkenburg and Kubica were right behind the two mercedes, they would up a full lap behind because of the safety car.

      They must have been pretty annoyed when Rosberg had that messed up pitstop which they couldn’t gain from!

    2. I think the problem is that the un-lapped cars go too fast to get back to the end of the train and become a safety hazard when they pass the clean up crew.

      Kieth’s article describes the positives and negatives from a racing point of view, but there is nothing about the actual safety point of view….it is a ‘safety’ car after all. What it does to the racing is secondary.

      I like the idea of the lapped traffic dropping back and getting a green light indicator and a call from the pits to tell them when they are ok. At the same time, this is unfair to the guy who actually lapped the cars before his competition has….

      1. Keith’s article describes the positives and negatives from a racing point of view, but there is nothing about the actual safety point of view….it is a ‘safety’ car after all.

        I think the regulation as it was written had the ‘safety’ aspect covered and if it was brought back I imagine they’d do the same:

        If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message “LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE” is shown on the timing monitors, any lapped cars which are between the cars running on the lead lap at the time the safety car crosses the Line on the track for the first time will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car by passing them on their right.

        They must then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car.

        (Emphasis added)

        I think the problem is that the un-lapped cars go too fast to get back to the end of the train and become a safety hazard when they pass the clean up crew.

        When the rule was in place in F1, were there any instances of a lapped car going past the scene of an accident in an unsafe manner? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

        1. We did have to wait longer before racing could be resumed though.

          1. Which would lead to many more complaints than we get now with the current system…

  8. I think they should ban the safety car rule.

  9. I think lapped cars should be allowed to unlap themselves, but the idea of lapped cars letting the leader through during the safety car period is a better idea in my opinion.

  10. Safety car is used to allow marshalls to work in safe conditions.

    I never understood why leaders should stay behind the safety car at a slow pace while others can un-lap themselves at high speed.

    For sure they can slow down only where incident is, but still.

    For me a good solution would be to inform each driver of it’s position then every driver stops on the starting grid. When everybody is there at it’s position, then we start again for a lap behind safety car. During this time marshall can work in total safety because no more cars are racing.

    1. That would be difficult for the engines, tyres etc…

  11. I personnaly hate SCs. I think they alter the race enough already.
    The guys that haven’t lapped as many backmarkers as the front runner haven’t been quick enough, that’s it. Why should the front-runners see their hard work anihilated ?

    Is that just for the “entertainment” ? So that we get to see what is basically another start ?

    I don’t like that way of thinking…

    How many races without SC this year ?

    Sorry if I am in a bad mood, but i am a bit tired of that “more overtakings, more rain, more entertainment” trend. Fine, accurate driving 70laps long makes my day.
    Randomizers like rain and Sc don’t…

    1. Accidental Mick
      9th November 2010, 16:37

      Agree 100% Gwenouille.

      Do away with safety cars and give the stewards a remote button that gives the drivers a 10 second warning then swirches on the pit lane limiter. solves all problems.

      1. Track marshalls need a block of time in which they can clear a wreck / attend to an injured driver when cars are not circulating nearby. You need a safety car to bunch the pack up.

      2. @ Accident Mick
        Giving the stewards control of the driver’s speed is ludicrous. It would likely create even more problems than the safety car.

        I believe that people that are against safety cars just need to accept that it is a part of racing. Formula One drivers are professionals, it maybe frustrating to lose a big lead, but it is up to them to deal with it and try to make the best out of the situation. Some drivers will be screwed by the saftey car, but it’s not like it is the only thing in Formula One that a driver can be screwed by.

        1. In certain races the SC alters the strategy, we don’t see a pure race.

          I agree that we shouldn’t give the stewards control of the pit-lane limiters. But the drivers can do it! Go past 2 FCSL* boards without conforming to the limit and bang 10 second stop-go. Simple.

          The double waved yellows will still mean marshals on track, there will still be no overtaking, marshals and medics can do their job more safely than they could at any other road-side in the world. And no lead built up is eradicated. What’s the problem?

          *FCSL = ‘Full Course Speed Limit’

          1. The problem is debris that are on the track itself, with the safety car Marshall have time in which no cars are passing them to remove debris from the track, your idea, despite is merit, eradicates this gap. I think that would make things harder.

            Secondly, I believe the pit lane pit limiters are set to 60km/h at Monaco… If the cars ran at 60 or less, simply put, the engines would fry.

          2. The solution to the first dilemma is road-work barricades to direct the cars around working marshals and debris.

            To solve the second problem you have two settings on your limiter.

            There is yet another solution. Once at the FCSL, the cars get directed off the circuit completely, and instead lap around another closed loop. Once the debris is cleared they get directed back onto the circuit. The only difficulty with this solution is that it requires the ‘Off course loop’ to be at least as long as the circuit itself. But on the other hand it doesn’t need runoff or a million marshals because the cars will only ever be doing 100 km/h on the loop.

    2. 1000% agree

      Annoys me that all the commenters care about is their entertainment, not that the drivers who’ve already worked to pass the cars get disadvantaged hugely.

      1. It annoys me even more that almost no one is talking about the fact that the SC is deployed for SAFETY and has nothing to do with entertainment. When it is deployed priority #1, 2, and 3 are the lives of the marshals, clean up crews, drivers, etc.

        then the next priority is getting the track clean. then the order of the backmarkers….

        It used to bother me badly (and still kinda does) when I would see an unlapped car going almost full speed right by a clean up crew and a crane….if there was a wreck there, that would be it….

        Shumacher almost hit a crane a few years back when a few folks wrecked in one corner (can’t remember where). I’ve been saying to my pops every time there is a crane and crew out on track, that there is no doubt in my mind the next person to die in F1 will be while a clean up crew is on track….and this is without letting the un-lapped cars through.

        In it’s current form, the SC rules don’t make for pretty racing, but let’s make sure our priorities are in line.

        1. That was Brazil 2003 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwVV1Mr-_uc , a freaking awesome race, but actually it wasn’t an SC condition. Still, 4-5 cars aquaplaned off the same corner.

          1. Oh poor Rubens :(

            I think the track might hate him :/

  12. You are still racing lapped cars imo, I’m not suggesting they should block, but the racing is circular not one long run, and technically they should be racing each other even if a lap down.

    Blue flagging lapped cars inconveniences the lapped car far more than the overtaker when often they are expected to literally stop to allow the leaders to overtake and can lose positions themselves as a result.

    1. I agree. 100%.
      A soon-lapped car should be able to defend.

  13. I voted ‘yes’ but not for the ‘go ahead 1 lap’ option. It’s too costly in terms of time and disadvantages the leaders.

    I like the idea of shuffling out the cars and letting the lead lap drivers move ahead of the pack. Say, a word from safety control could have the lead lap drivers move to the left down the next suitable straight and move ahead of the lapped cars… Although I imagine this could cause havoc with the electronic systems detecting overtakes while under yellows.

    They aren’t overtaking behind a safety car anyway so it shouldn’t be too taxing on the drivers to remember the process.

    1. How does your solution not disadvantage the leaders?

      1. Because the lapped cars aren’t unlapped, so aren’t on the same lap.

        It encourages racing and if a driver isn’t prepared to fight for and defend positions, well, what are they doing there anyway? :)

  14. “The sheer amount of time it takes for lapped traffic to complete an extra lap and re-join the end of the safety car train is one such problem.”

    What if, as the safety car approached the S/F straight, all lapped cars had to peel off into the pitlane, then rejoin the safety car train at the tail? The stop/go light at the end of the pitlane could prevent anyone rejoining until all the cars on the lead lap had passed the pit exit.

    – ozz

    1. Very good idea. The only issue I see is that if the lapped cars all make a stop for tires while driving through, and lead-lap cars aren’t allowed in the pits on that lap, then they’d be quite unfairly disadvantaged.

      1. Of course, you can get around that if you put in a rule preventing the cars driving through the pits from getting new tires that lap. Essentially closing off the working area of the pit lane.

        I think your idea could work well.

        1. Its true, they did used to have the rule banning pitstops during safety car anyway so maybe they should reintroduce it? Afterall it was only removed because cars were running out of petrol. Shouldn’t be such an issue now!

          1. Okay, so the pitlane entry remains open until the SC crosses the start/finish line at the end on its first lap around having picked up the leader, the following lap the pitlane entry is closed for pitstops and any cars not on the lead lap have to drive through it with their limiters on – for safety reasons no team personnel are allowed in the pitlane area at this time. All the cars on the lead lap carry on down the track at normal SC speeds and the lapped cars are held at the end of the pitlane by the red light if needs be until all the cars on the lead lap have passed them.

            At this point the pitlane is fully reopened and anyone wanting to make a stop can do so.

            I suppose you could then instruct any cars that were more than 1 lap down to pass through the pits a second time to put them back in their correct position in the train, but as there are fewer of them then it shouldn’t be any more of an issue for them to pass down the pitlane while team personnel are working in it than at any other time. They could also be allowed to make a stop at this time if they wish.

  15. I feel that they should allow the cars to pass the cars in front if they are about to lap them. eg. if VET is at the front with a lotus behind then WEB, then WEB should pass the Lotus behind the saftey car.

    This would be alot quicker then allowing cars to unlap themselves….

    1. Yep agreed, was going to suggest this my self.

  16. The situation in Brazil was a complete mess. The rationale behind it was that it should be fairer, but I fail to see how it is: whilst lapped cars cannot make up ground, those who were just about to get lapped (i.e. Mercedes) gain a massive advantage. Also, it made the SC make the race more boring rather than exciting. Bring back the old SC and close the pit lane :).

  17. Yes, I think so. At Brazil, it would have given a better race both at the back and front of the field.

  18. Would have worked out well for Christian Klien – wasn’t he 6 laps behind at one point? Although would everybody have to have waited whilst he caught up, would he be deemed to have done an additional n laps without actually doing them or would this just not apply to anybody except those at the front of the queue?

    1. I believe when cars unlapped themselves, they were only allowed to get one lap back.

      1. Oh fantastic! So we give an advantage to some drivers and not others. Instead of a race how about we just have them all roll a huge dice 6 times and the person with the lowest total wins?

        So we are all for preventing those who are just one lap down from being disadvantaged in their chase of the car ahead who was just about to be lapped, but not for the same situation for drivers who’ve only just gone 2 laps down!?

  19. A def. NOOOO! ! !

    For all the wrong reasons to do so…

    It’s like manipulating race outcome.
    NASCAR, IndyCar run on ovals!

    This is Formula One.

    Bring back the racing, no artificial variables.

  20. knoxploration
    9th November 2010, 16:29

    Allowing backmarkers to unlap themselves is an absolutely ridiculous idea. By definition, they’re already a lap or more behind the leaders, and hence among the slower cars on the track. That suggests they’re the least drivable cars, the least talented drivers, or both — and so we let them drive around the track ahead of the safety car, picking their own speed on what’s supposedly a dangerous track? Utterly daft. Not to mention that it takes far too long for the backmarkers to rejoin the tail of the safety car queue.

    The correct solution is incredibly, blindingly obvious — and hence will never be considered by the powers that be in F1, for the simple reason that the F1 rulebook always takes the most obtuse way possible of arriving at any solution.

    The answer is this.

    As soon as you’re all lined up behind the safety car, no passes for position are allowed, but if the car behind you is about to lap you, *you fall back under the safety car instead*.

    Hey presto — no lapped traffic for anybody to deal with on the restart. The backmarkers lose less time too because they don’t have to look in their mirrors for lapping traffic on the restart, and know anybody challenging behind them is a fight for position. Best of all, we don’t artificially try to favor the backmarkers and get them back in the race again.

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