Montezemolo still wants three-car teams

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Luca di Montezemolo repeats his demand F1 for three-car teams in Formula 1.

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Season?s greetings and surprise presents. Fiorano hosts the Italian F1 media dinner (Ferrari)

“We hope next year will be as good a season as this one and not one like 2009, when the championship seemed to be drugged. The small teams? Honestly, I feel it would be better to have the opportunity of running a third car rather than seeing cars that would struggle even in GP2: it?s an idea we will put forward again strongly for the future.

“On the subject of the new circuits, I have to say it would be better if more thought was given to the races with an increase in overtaking opportunities with less effort going into beautiful architecture.

“Then we must unblock this absurd limitation on testing. Formula 1 is the only sport in which there is no chance to train. It is like asking Real Madrid, Milan or Inter to play with smooth soled boots in the rain or not to warm up before a Champions League game.”

FIA Gala 2010 – F1 Season Highlights (Youtube)

The Abu Dhabi Grand Prix race video edit is also now available on F1.com.

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“The driver adjustable front wing is now deleted from the rules and instead the rear wing is now driver adjustable. This is because the expected benefit of greater front wing angle never provided the driver with more grip when following another car.”

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Lotus legacy unclaimed – Gerard Lopez (BBC)

“We are sure to be called what we are going to be called and I’m not sure they will be called that way. It’s pure speculation that there might be four cars using the same name.”

McLaren Group achieves carbon trust standard (McLaren)

“This achievement makes McLaren the first and only Formula 1 team to be officially recognised by the Carbon Trust for taking action on climate change.”

Liuzzi: Force India seat is safe (Autosport)

“Each time a driver is said to interest Force India, looks like it’s always me the one who has to move over. This is obviously just what part of the media says, because on my part I’m very calm.”

Comment of the day

Luca di Montezemolo’s got nothing on our Steph:

??For this Felipe gets seven minus.?? Is that his grade or what he lost at Germany?
Steph

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89 comments on Montezemolo still wants three-car teams

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  1. I really wish Luca Montezemolo wouldn’t speak at all. Grrrrr.

    • Dan Newton said on 15th December 2010, 0:16

      Yup! The only thing that makes sense is the comment about the nature of modern tracks- the main part being the tracks themselves seems to be an afterthought compared to the facilities.

      • Zibit said on 15th December 2010, 3:13

        I thought the testing ban comment was spot on. At the very least there should be Monday testing. I’d prefer somewhere between Monday testing and unlimited testing.

        When it takes a driver half the season to understand how the tyres work, somethings wrong.

        • Monday testing I think isn’t a great idea, as it would make the end to the weekend somewhat anti climactic.

  2. DeadManWoking said on 15th December 2010, 0:13

    Well done, COTD makes a nice present and it’s well deserved.

    Happy Birthday Steph !!

    • US_Peter said on 15th December 2010, 0:21

      No kidding! Have a great birthday Steph (same as my sister’s) and nice work on the comment, touché.

    • Happy Birthday Steph!!!! Hope you have a great year and many happy returns, wish you all the best!

      COTD and a B-Day.. Nice! :D

    • Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey) said on 15th December 2010, 4:53

      Magnificent Geoffrey Presents – Steph: A Birthday Tribute

      Stephanie Farnsworth
      Is such a nice lass,
      Though I’ve never met her
      I know she’s got class.

      Highly respected
      For all of her thoughts,
      And forever loyal
      To the Prancing Horse.

      From her many comments
      It’s easy to see,
      She’s F1Fanatic’s
      Number 1 Tifosi.

      A regular patron
      Of all the live blogs,
      Despite of the issues
      That plague her laptop

      Although I don’t cheer
      When Fernando wins,
      We tend to agree
      On most other things.

      Like Smedley’s a legend
      And king of the pits,
      And that Piquet Jr
      Is a bit of a twit.

      So cheers to you Steph
      And for you, I wish maybe,
      A few wins next year
      For your Felipe Baby!

    • Rob B said on 15th December 2010, 8:36

      Happy Birthday Steph!

    • BasCB said on 15th December 2010, 9:46

      And a very good COTD it is.

      Happy birthday Steph!

  3. Julian said on 15th December 2010, 0:19

    Im one of those poor souls who cant access the forum. I’m using chrome but have tried it in safari and firefox as well and still no luck.
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    • US_Peter said on 15th December 2010, 0:31

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      • Julian said on 15th December 2010, 1:08

        yep thats exactly what i get, i didnt have to motivation to write that stuff out because i just woke up lol.

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    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 15th December 2010, 9:48

      Thanks for the feedback guys. From what I can tell so far it’s an intermittent problem that’s affecting certain versions of certain browsers. If anyone is able to tell me what browser version you’ve experienced the problem in it will help identify a fix.

      • I have seen that, I have opned the forum from other PC & it opens but with mine it don’t.
        I am using Firefox 3.6.13

      • US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 15th December 2010, 22:25

        It’s working for me now. I’m running Chrome for mac version 8.0.552.215. It’s super slow, but I think that’s due to my free in flight wifi provided by Google at cruising altitude. I’m getting about 14kbps!!!

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  4. Cacarella said on 15th December 2010, 0:42

    In the team no one has told me anything about it, I have a contract for next year, and I’m already at work with that in mind. I feel safe, not just with the contract I have in my hands, but also with the fine relationship I have with the team.

    I’m sure I could find an identical quote from Kimi in 2009

    • US_Peter said on 15th December 2010, 2:01

      Except we knew Alonso would be at Ferrari well before this time last year.

      • Cacarella said on 15th December 2010, 2:22

        Yes, I think we knew around Monza time but the point is that Kimi thought his contact was safe as well, or at least he said he did.

    • i’m sure he knows his time is up, FI would be out of their mind to keep him after his below par performance….

  5. sato113 said on 15th December 2010, 0:43

    someone please tell me what track it is at where WEB and VET are arguing in the FIA gala 2010 video. (look at the video thumbnail above!)

  6. Grace said on 15th December 2010, 0:47

    “On the subject of the new circuits, I have to say it would be better if more thought was given to the races with an increase in overtaking opportunities with less effort going into beautiful architecture.”

    So why did you decide to build Ferrari World next to the Abu Dhabi track? Why not build it near Monza or somewhere less “beautiful”?

    Shut up you blithering idiot. Just hurry up and get into Italian politics. With BS coming out your mouth quicker than a cow with diarrhoea, you would fit in perfectly.

  7. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 15th December 2010, 1:15

    Honestly, I feel it would be better to have the opportunity of running a third car rather than seeing cars that would struggle even in GP2: it’s an idea we will put forward again strongly for the future.

    This is beginning to sound suspiciously like a party line. If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a hundred times – Ferrari clearly want influence over the smaller teams. The more influence they have, the more political power they gain, and the more political power they gain, the more potential there is for them to shape the future of the sport. And given that they’ve already demonstrated a willingness to wantonly use team orders rather than have races decided on the outcome of skill, I have grave concerns for that future.

    • US_Peter said on 15th December 2010, 2:05

      Homogenization of the grid can’t be a good thing. When there are lots of 2 car teams if one fails we still have a decent sized grid. With few large teams it would be devastating if a team failed.

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 15th December 2010, 2:33

        Exactly, but di Montezemolo wants to muscle the smaller teams out of the way. If the grid size is fixed at twenty-four, and we have three-car teams, that means we only need eight teams, which will probably be Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull, Mercedes, the new Lotus Renault, Williams, Toro Rosso and either Sauber or Force India (and Ferrari would prefer Sauber because of the engine deal).

        You’re right in saying a homogenised grid is not a good thing. Look at V8 Supercars, where Holden control 20 of the 28 cars – more than 75% of the grid. They’re already trying to use their political influence to discourage other manufacturers from joining the category to protect their control of the grid, which will maximise their chances of winning races and championships and thus help them sell more road cars.

        If we move to three-car teams, then Ferrari will control 12.5% of the grid. If Sauber are one of those eight teams and Ferrari continue to supply engines, that means they control 12.5% of the grid and influence another 12.5% of the grid, making them effectively control a quarter of it. And while Red Bull might also have Toro Rosso, Ferrari will continue to supply engines to them in order to offset Red Bull’s influence over them. In short, Ferrari will have more power than anyone else and will continue to influence the sport as they see fit. Which can only end badly.

        • Commendatore said on 15th December 2010, 20:45

          This to me seems like a typical anti-Ferrari post. Which is quite common on a British blog…

          Now, I’d ask you would you feel more happy and at ease if, hmm lets say – Mercedes decided to supply RBR with an engine for 2011 or 2012/2013, and instead of Sauber, Force India got a the last grid place?

          So, since all of the above said is very plausable, we’d have Mercedes GP, McLaren-Mercedes, Red Bull-Mercedes, Force India-Mercedes, Williams-Cosworth, Ferrari, Toro Rosso-Ferrari & Lotus Renault! I.e. 4 Mercedes vs 2 Ferrari engines!!!

          I bet you’d prefer this scenario! ;)

    • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 15th December 2010, 7:49

      Ferrari won’t stop until 2001 comes back, only with another car.

      I believe in three-car teams to an extent, because it gives more chances for good drivers to be in top cars. The reason Ferrari keep pushing the idea is because the only other alternative to bring this about is the much more preferable restricting of big team’s ability to out-spend upstart rivals. Closer cars would be a good thing too; have something like the new Indy formula, the same basic car but free to develop it how you want, with whatever engine you want in F1′s case.

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 15th December 2010, 11:38

        I’d be more concerned about what would happen if they got control of the rulebook. Let’s say they had it right now – what would happen?

        For one thing, it is likely they would be working on their 2012 car, having already developed the 2011 machine. They would slowly implement rules that favoured their cars for the next year and by always working on a car two years ahead of the current car, they’d be forcing everyone else to follow them. Ferrari would be the only real innovators, and they would move to silence anyone who came up with anything clever they hadn’t thought of. It would be a whole new era of Ferrari dominance, with no-one able to get close to them because Ferrari will have written the rules to suit their next car, rather than build their car to fit in with the rules.

        And that cannot be allowed to happen.

    • A three-car Ferrari team, combined with team orders being officially allowed again… need we say more?

  8. Jameson said on 15th December 2010, 1:29

    Last time I checked Ferrari want a one car team.

    • Feynman said on 15th December 2010, 1:45

      Pow!

      Poor dopey ol’ Luca, everytime he opens his trap, someone here lands a COTD. :)

    • US_Peter said on 15th December 2010, 2:06

      I think they actually want a 24 car team with no competitors on the grid, then they can choreograph every race start to finish.

      • There’s a rumour that for one of the drivers they are talking to Piquet Jr.

        Every race needs at least one crash, and Piquet is a trained professional!

    • Rob R. said on 15th December 2010, 5:56

      Jameson you beat me and probably 12 other people to that remark :D

    • Adam Tate said on 15th December 2010, 6:12

      Oh no, no Jameson, Ferrari and Luca Montezemolo clearly want a three car team. That will give them twice as many drivers to push around!

      Alonso, whilst in third: Beep, beep! Hey Luca, any chance those guys can move outta’ my way?

      Luca: Why certainly Fernando! I was just talking with Mr. Santander about that very issue.

      Rob Smedley: Damnit.

      • Rob R. said on 15th December 2010, 7:16

        Felipe’s problem is that he’s so mild mannered. Same with Barrichello. If they were pugnacious and obnoxious like their Latino brethren JPM and Nelson Piquet (Sr… not Jr.!)they would be better off…

        Next time they get pushed around by Schumacher and Alonso, they need to start getting tough.

        “Fernando… have you ever seen the movie City of God?”

        That’ll work.

    • LewisC said on 15th December 2010, 11:07

      Nice.

      Alternatively a three-car team so he can race both Felipe and his brother. ;)

  9. wasiF1 (@wasif1) said on 15th December 2010, 1:45

    Who do Luca wants to sit in the third car? He is mad & he had a three car disease.But I liked what he said about new circuit,it’s better that he push FIA to work more on that.

  10. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 15th December 2010, 2:15

    GREAT Gala vid…!!!!

  11. Richard Williams (whose articles I usually find obtuse) wrote a bit on the subject of team orders, the crux was thus:

    Formula One’s higher visibility, and the preponderance of recently converted fans, means it has recently been judged by inapplicable standards.

    Here’s an unrelated question:

    Looking back at his rookie season if Kamui Kobayashi was British would the prevailing opinion of him be any different and if so how?

    • Hamish said on 15th December 2010, 6:17

      They’d compare him to Senna, and persistent over the top journalism would have him rumoured to be taking Massa’s seat.

  12. Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 15th December 2010, 7:37

    Is steph90 Steph’s spy alter-ego?

    Have a happy birthday “for sure”!

  13. sato113 said on 15th December 2010, 8:35

    happy birthday steph! would your ideal present be Massa winning the WDC? :)

  14. Maciek said on 15th December 2010, 8:48

    Is it just me, or is that video the cheesiest thing that has ever been made? It’s like they took all that is bad about the officail race edits (sappy music, barrage of half-second shots, gratuitous supposed ‘babes’, gratuitous star sightings, moronic faces made by ‘fans’, etc, etc). Somewhat less painful half way through with the inclusion of Motorhead in the soundtrack for the more action-y stuff and the poke at team orders, but the whole preposterous narration of the intro (narrator-type in semi-Shakespearian, semi-sports-macho baritone: F1 Drivers Are The Most Glorious Beings To Ever Have Touched The Mortal Plain. Be In Awe, little humans) and pretty much every single thing about is ridiculous. Did I mention I didn’t quite like it?

  15. antonyob said on 15th December 2010, 9:45

    The football analogy is good but maybe Monte didnt mean it this way:

    In football, when uneven financial power leads to abuse then the regulators take action, limiting squad sizes and number of non EU players plus clubs like Man City spending 107% of turnover on wages has led FIFA to limit overall wage bill against turnover from 2013.

    F1 had all the same issues, qually engines, big test teams, huge numbers of software engineers, 2 wind tunnels on 24/7 and so on. It had to change! There will always be flaws in any regs but overall it should be more about racing more than it is about empiricial technical advances.

    Of course Monte complains, im sure Man City will complain but their way, as someone said, is only correct if you believe there is no tomorrow.

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