Champion of Champions: Jody Scheckter vs Fernando Alonso

Jody Scheckter vs Fernando Alonso

Champion of ChampionsPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

Champion of Champions Round 1: Jody Scheckter vs Fernando Alonso

Fernando Alonso is already a two-times world champion; with better luck, Jody Scheckter might have been.

In his first full season with Tyrrell in 1974, Scheckter placed third in the championship, ten points behind winner Emerson Fittipaldi.

As Tyrrell went up a blind alley with the six-wheeled P34, Scheckter moved to new team Wolf for 1977. he nearly ‘did a Button’ in the championship after winning the first race of the year, but finished the year runner-up to Niki Lauda’s Ferrari.

Two years later Scheckter had a Ferrari of his own and although he and team mate Gilles Villeneuve were closely matched, Scheckter had the edge. Late in the season the team ordered Villeneuve to let Scheckter claim the title.

Had Alonso won this year’s world championship he would have emulated Scheckter by winning the title in his first season for Ferrari. But Alonso already has a pair of titles under his belt from his Renault days.

As well as finishing runner-up this year, he tied on points with second-placed Lewis Hamilton in 2007, a single point behind champion Kimi R??ikk??nen.

Which of these drivers should go through to the next round of the Champion of Champions? Vote for which you think was best below and explain who you voted for and why in the comments.

Jody Scheckter Fernando Alonso
Jody Scheckter, Nurburgring, 1975 Fernando Alonso, Interlagos, Renault, 2004
Titles 1979 2005, 2006
Second in title year/s Gilles Villeneuve Kimi R??ikk??nen, Michael Schumacher
Teams McLaren, Tyrrell, Wolf, Ferrari Minardi, Renault, McLaren, Ferrari
Notable team mates Patrick Depailler, Gilles Villeneuve Giancarlo Fisichella, Lewis Hamilton, Felipe Massa
Starts 112 158
Wins 10 (8.93%) 26 (16.46%)
Poles 3 (2.68%) 20 (12.66%)
Modern points per start1 8.00 10.58
% car failures2 18.75 10.76
Modern points per finish3 9.85 11.86
Notes Partial season as McLaren’s third driver in 1973 Debuted for Minardi in 2001 then spent a year testing for Renault before making race return
Spent three seasons with Tyrrell before giving Wolf a win in their first race in 1977 Back-to-back titles for Renault in 2005 and 2006
Won the 1979 title for Ferrari after Gilles Villeneuve was instructed not to pass him at Monza Formerly the youngest ever world champion
Bio Jody Scheckter Fernando Alonso

1 How many points they scored in their career, adjusted to the 2010 points system, divided by the number of races they started
2 The percentage of races in which they were not classified due to a mechanical failure
3 How many points they scored in their career, adjusted to the 2010 points system, divided by the number of starts in which they did not suffer a race-ending mechanical failure

Which was the better world champion driver?

  • Jody Scheckter (21%)
  • Fernando Alonso (79%)

Total Voters: 718

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  1. Alonso is really good. But being beaten by a rookie (in the same car, which is for me the only honest way to compare drivers) is something to consider. I am a Ferrari fan and would prefer to have Raikkonen, Vettel, Hamilton and, sure, the old Schumi in a red car. Just to mention this generation.
    I just like the fastest drivers. And I am sure consistency is something that a good driver can learn.
    About the contest, a good approach would have been to split the drivers in groups, like the World Cup. Eight groups of 4. Each group would have 2 for the next phase. It would be more fair, maybe. :)

    Congrats for the site and for the contest!

  2. 1992 Peugeot Talbot Sport (@peugeot-905-92-93-le-mans-winner)
    2nd January 2011, 16:05

    Why is Jarno Trulli not a notable teammate?
    In 2004 he won Monaco and out qualified Alonso some events…

    1. Which would make Eddie Irvine a much more notable teammate to Michael Schumacher. And as much as I adore Irvine, I wouldn’t classify him as a “notable” teammate.

      1. Irvine almost won the 1999 World Championship, Trulli has never had a good crack at winning the title.

        1. He almost won because of a broken leg of some famous guy

  3. I’m not a fan of his personality, but there’s no denying Alonso is one of the most naturally gifted and fastest drivers on the grid today.

    1. Neither can you deny he is a cheat! The man is a disgrace to F1… F1 is a sport, is it not? Alonso is no sportsman… he is a coward in a red suit who abuses his position to gain an unfair advantage. Even when he cheats, he still can’t win. Gosh!

      1. I tend not to respond to misguided comments like this however, a couple of ridiculous comments, admittedly in other posts, warrant a response. Alonso has never been successfully prosecuted against for any sporting infringement and has had his name cleared when he has been in court. If a casual supporter of the sport read your comment then their view would be unfairly distorted. Nothing you have said here has basis and you are needlessly deriding a champion through bias. Britain seems to enjoy slating great champions because they a cut above and then are too narrow minded when thinking of their own favourite. It will come as no surprise to you that I am an Alonso fan however, if Hamilton or any other driver was subject to such unfounded slander then I would have to back them up. I have no problem with opinion, but your comment suggests football-esque hatred that should have no place among intelligent comments on our favourite sport.

        1. “OK, so, Fernando is faster than you.” Oh yeah! Overtake then! Oh, wait, you can’t cos you’re rubbish. Unfounded slander my rear end!

          A $100,000 fine says he (and Ferrari) are cheats. Your response suggests you need open your eyes. And he still couldn’t win, like I said.

          He’s not the only one by any means, but he’s the subject of this discussion is he not?

          1. My point on being narrow minded still stands.

            Name one driver who would not have accepted his team-mate slowing down in front of him.

            Alonso was faster than Massa in the previous laps and, crucially, was Ferrari’s favoured driver for the championship due to his experience. This was entirely vindicated later in the season.

            “rubbish”, not even the greatest Alonso hater can deny his ability.

            I do not mean to insult you or an other viewer of this comment however, I feel that bias is the root of your comment and that is unfair. I do not know if you are a Schumacher fan but, his career was derided a little in this country due to always being a rival to a British driver earlier in his career. The same has happened to Alonso, read any article from before May 2007 on Alonso and you will here nothing but superlatives about the man and his talent.

          2. @RBAlonso, Wherever Alonso goes there is trouble. he is a champion for himself alone. I would probably like him if he weren’t such a coward. This is my opinion. We have all heard his moaning prior to the move by Massa. Ferrari had Massa right where they wanted him after their uncharacteristic generosity following his crash last year. He owes them.

            Alonso, for all failures as a Man, and for his pitiful justifications for his conduct throughout his career, is a great ‘driver’. I agree. But its not the clothes that make the man. It’s not the driving alone that is the mark of a true champion. Champion or not, Alonso will always be a disgrace, and not worthy of my vote. There used to be a day when honor and sportsmanship counted for something.

          3. I too dislike Alonso, mostly for his personality etc. plus i am a Hamilton fan, this you would think gives me the grounds to hate Alonso with the blind passion that you seem to do billhicks, yet i cannot ignore his talent. As much as i don’t like him i cannot ignore races like Singapore this year etc. he is amazingly talented and you must be incredibly naive to not see it!

          4. I accept and respect your opinion Trenthamfolk, mainly because your are not alone in your estimations. I also agree that a Champion must be OF good character. But, does that make Button a better champion than Alonso? I think not. Alonso is not the nicest person in the world, he is probably not the nicest person in his house (!), but he is ruthless and uncompromising with a personality. In the characterless world of f1 which we are in, perhaps Alonso will be remembered s a great champion in years to come, time can only tell.

            I believe that “coward” is used in the wrong context here, all his overtakes have been brave and by definition you can not race being a coward. He has also never feared an argument.

            The days of honour in sport left some time ago and no driver in formula 1 can claim to be whiter than white in this cut throat environment. Also, Alonso entered formula 1 during the Schumacher era of questionable politics.

            I would also disagree with trouble following him everywhere. He was clean until spy-gate and was proven to have nothing to do with crash-gate. The team orders affair included Alonso indirectly. Admittedly, this is some co-incidence but co-incidence nonetheless.

  4. I want to vor Sheckter, simply because I don’t like Alonso….but as pinted out, this is not a popularity contest, so I vote Alonso.

    I think Sheckter was most deffinetly a worthy champion. And his season with Wolf shows that he was on the pace, even if he did not have the best car ( although the Wolf was not to shabby offocurse)

    Alonso however has demonstrated that he can remain on the top muh longer, and more importantly in my oppinion , did not let his motivation get down when he had two not so great seasons due to an infirior car.
    Something Sheckter obviously did the year after he won the title…

  5. I’ve had quite a long think and look through Wikipedia at Scheckter before deciding to go with Alonso. Scheckter’s defence of the title was awful, only got 2 points but have discovered the car was to blame as Villenuve only got 6 points.

    Alonso in my opinion is the faster and probably the smarter of the two so he takes it however Jody was the most underated driver of the 70’s. His season with Wolf was amazing and had some great drives in the Tyrrell so bad luck drawing Nando

    1. Firstly, please dont cite Wikipedia as a source of info, its not an accurate site. But Jody’s awful defence of the title? He was driving one of the worst cars of 1980 which would probably top the list of worst cars that ever came out of Ferraris F1 design bureau. It was an aweful car, dont be swayed by the miracle results that Gilles got out of it. I saw similarities between Jody circa 1979/80 and L.Hamilton going from 2008 into [the first half) of 2009. When he was in a competitive car (as you have noted) he produced some great drives. Hope this doesnt look too aggresive from me (not intended to be), but i felt the need to defend Mr Scheckter a little for his last seasons display.

  6. Also wondered if maybe supplying a link to there pages on the F1 website or wikipedia might help show people see who was the better driver

  7. i chose alonso, but if you look at a video of the south african at brads hatch in 1977 with a wolf during qualy, going side ways on most of the bends, you would love the guy. That is f1 at it’s best.

  8. I remember reading an article about villenueve at sidepodcast. and it said that in a wet practice session jody went out and said he literally scared himself out there and that nobody could go faster. then gilles went out and took 10 seconds off jody lap time…

    that fact alone could make me go for alonso..

    1. Your thinking of the 1979 USA GP, when he was 9-10secs faster on the Friday. Not to detract from Gilles time, but only 6 others (of which Jody was 2nd fastest) dared set a time.

    2. it was 1979, and he was already on his way out of f1. Villeneuve was at his prime.
      If you look back a couple of years, he was as fast as anyone.
      Let’s not forget, that f1 was a dangerous sport in those days, and today, a driver like alonso, can keep going for two decades.
      I would choose a driver from the early years, before any if i follow my heart, but using the head, i have to go for alonso.

  9. I’m really enjoying reading these comments. I’m still scratching my head a bit wondering were this Champion of Champions competition is going to end up and the future pairing of competitors really has me intrigued.

    Keith, I think you’ve really got a winner with this.

    Oh, and please save the Kimi vs James Hunt comparison till we get a bit nearer the end :)

  10. Alonso. Other than Schumacher (and maybe Hamilton in the near future), he’s the only one of the current generation who many would say is one of the all time greats.

    1. TBH, I don’t think that any other than Schumacher can claim that out of the current lot. And I have this funny feeling that Schumacher’s great days aren’t over yet.

  11. I voted for Alonso. In my opinion he is one of the most complete drivers in the sport. Jody Scheckter was stelar early in his career ( fighting for the title for Tyrrel and for Wolf!!) but ,after he won the title with Ferrari, he scored only 2 points,and that doesn’t have any justification.

  12. Just as easy as the first one. Alonso is clearly the better of the two. I did think of letting his whining come in the way of his driving, but he is just too good.

    And the pass outside Schumi in the 130R is one of the best I’ve ever seen – even being a Schumi fan.

  13. Easy choice for me. Alonso is one of, if not, the most feared driver of this era.

    Scheckter was not the quickest, but a consistent driver (once he solved his crashing problem), and that helped him to his one and only title. Team orders did help (Hmm… Ferrari, team orders?) though. Also, he dropped off the radar after winning his title, when he should have been at the peak of his powers.

  14. Maybe this is unusual, but Scheckter does not make my top 32 drivers list.

    1. that’s odd. can you tell your top five list, just to see if you are full of it?

  15. Alonso for sure, anyone who has voted against him has done it purely to be Anti-Fernando.

    I’m dreading it if it goes to Alonso vs Schumacher…oh who do I pick…

    1. anyone who has voted against him has done it purely to be Anti-Fernando.

      If we did vote against him, I’m pretty sure we had a good reason to other than to upset you.

      1. Upsetting me? Not at all, This whole site is full of people who will vote for favourites, only the neutrals (Like me actually despite the avatar) will vote fairly. If Fernando was against Prost, i’d pick Prost. But of course you’re just going to say i’m trying to make a point so i’ll leave you with your opinions.

  16. The short version is that Fernando Alonso is not a champion. He might have carried the number one for two start years, but he’s missing that al-important X-factor: the attitude. He’s been a pivotal figure in the two biggest controversies that wracked the sport, the Stepney Affair and the Singapore Incident. He hasn’t shown a shred of remorse for his role in either; look at the way he handled the revelations that he race in Singapore was fixed – he didn’t care. Of more concern is the way he treats his team-mates. As soon as he is paired with someone who can beat him, he goes into a childish, unsportsmanlike state, sprouting conspiracy theories about how the team doesn’t want him to win. Not to mention the way he takes advantage of his team-mates and team orders because he can’t pass them on his own. He may have been described as “the most complete driver on the grid”, but Fernando Alonso is lacking that essential element that makes him stand out from the others – he’s just not a very likeable person. I’ve never seen anything that makes me want to take his side. His on-track behaviour betrays him as little more than a spoiled child.

    1. Juan Pablo Heidfeld (@juan-pablo-heidfeld-1)
      3rd January 2011, 0:01

      So Schumacher isn’t a champion either I assume…

      1. Or Senna apparently…

        But i’m afraid that PM is over-estimating the bad side of Alonso. Up until 2007 he would have seemed a likable fellow and was rarely very childish back then.

        1. And I did vote Alonso, since when not being seen as “childish” he is a consistent top performer. His pre-Mclaren, 2008-09 and post-Hockenheim ’10 performances have demonstrated that he is at least one of the best around.

      2. Schumacher and Senna managed to redeem themselves with subsequent championships. Alonso hasn’t won a championship since this rut of bad behaviour began, so he hasn’t done anything to demonstrate that he’s capable of actually acting like a champion.

  17. Wow my goodness people are actually for once not having a go at Alonso. I am really happy that people here are talking sense and true facts not fan-boyism.

    Happy New Year everyone.

  18. But Scheckter is the only driver to win in a 6 wheeled F1 car :) I don’t really know why but I do love the Tyrrell p34. I couldn’t really not vote for Scheckter, Alonso’s a better driver but he’s going to win so it doesn’t really matter if I want to have my fun.

  19. Hi Keith,

    I’m really digging this series. Do you think that next you could do a head-to-head best championship winning car championship?

    My vote went to Alonso. Based upon his percentage of wins and poles he deserves to go further up the brackets.

  20. mark in florida (@)
    3rd January 2011, 3:32

    Easy,Alonso he is probably one of the most talented drivers around.A bit of a prima donna sometimes but still very talented.

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