In today’s round-up: another politician urges Melbourne to stop hosting its F1 race.
Links
Top F1 links from the past 24 hours:
Residents fed up with noisy Grand Prix, says MP (The Age)
“The Grand Prix may have been a good deal in 1996 when it cost the government only AUS $1.7 million, but with falling crowd numbers and taxpayers footing a AUS $50-million-a-year bill, the state government should know to cut its losses and walk away.”
Bahrain withdraw from 2011 GP2 Asia Series calendar (GP2 Asia)
The cancellation means the GP2 Asia championship, which was supposed to include six races, is over after just one double-header event – unless further rounds are organised.
Barcelona future dependant on finances (Autosport)
“The future of the Spanish Grand Prix at Barcelona beyond the 2012 season will depend on economic factors, according to Catalunya’s president Artur Mas.”
Sebastien Buemi Q&A: I am hungry for points (F1)
“I definitely don’t want to go below last year. I at least want to be as good as last year. I want to be a regular points’ scorer. I am really hungry for points. I didn’t have enough last season!”
“Mercedes has poor traction, McLaren looks shocking as if on cold tyres, Red Bull, Ferrari, Renault-Lotus-Lada and Williams all pounding round.”
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Sign of Progress at Austin F1 track
“Presidents Day was no holiday at the planned US Grand Prix site south-east of Austin. More machines – and bigger ones – moving around. What’s more, the sign is up, marking the spot.”
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From the archive
Race cancellations and postponements, like that we saw yesterday, don’t happen very often.
The last race to be postponed was the 1985 Belgian Grand Prix. And it wasn’t due to political unrest, but because the track fell apart.
Read about it below:
Comment of the day
A comment from Chris who had tickets for the now-cancelled Bahrain Grand Prix:
A friend and I bought tickets, flights and booked a hotel in Manama for the Bahrain GP at the end of 2010. I’ve been looking forward to it hugely, so was extremely anxious when the unrest began and it emerged that the race might be threatened. I’m sure there will be a lot of people who were in a similar situation – checking the news every day for the last week or so to see how the situation developed.
Cancelling the race is probably the right decision. The start of a new F1 season should have a celebratory atmosphere, which, with all the security and tension, wouldn’t have been present in Bahrain. Any kind of radical behaviour from protesters, justified or not, would have been a disaster for the sport and the safety of the teams, fans and circuit staff is paramount. The situation is more severe than anyone in the UK knows, and they clearly need time to talk and to bring about change.
That said, from a purely personal viewpoint, I’m totally gutted that we won’t be going.
Chris
From the forum
An historical question on Cosworth from Clovis1982.
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22nd February 2011, 0:09
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22nd February 2011, 12:51
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22nd February 2011, 5:37
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Klon (@)
22nd February 2011, 0:17
So, first Bahrain, now Melbourne. Maybe the whole season will drop out the calender. :-)
patrickl
22nd February 2011, 1:30
Yeah, Imagine if the people of Kashmir decide to protest for independence again. Or the South Korean students go to the streets. Who knows, the Chinese might even go to Tiananmen square again.
It seems the extra attention brought on by F1 has possible even done some good in Bahrain. Without the GP the regime probably wouldn’t have backed down so quickly.
So if someone has a protest, do it just before a GP to attract some extra attention for the cause and some more pressure on the regime.
Dave
22nd February 2011, 5:08
Or maybe UK student riots again.
Calum
22nd February 2011, 7:54
I was just thinking the world famous protestors in the UK protest recently for stopping student fees, and fail.
Yet Ireland, Egypt, Libya, and Bahrain all protest for leadership change and are well on the way to succeeding!!
Ben Curly
22nd February 2011, 8:15
Well, one is several orders of magnitude more important than the other. If the fight really matters, people put more heart into it.
By the way, the UK protest for stopping student fees wasn’t really “world famous”. In Polish media for example it barely got mentioned.
Calum
22nd February 2011, 9:26
I meant that Britons have become sort of renowned for protesting. :P
PJ
22nd February 2011, 10:23
Our Election’s this Friday by the way (Ireland) so we’ll see what changes then. :)
Tango
22nd February 2011, 17:15
You’re still far behind our protests (French that is). And in any case, I don’t think UK students can compare to Bahrainis… Except maybe they did what nobody believed they could be doing.
BasCB (@bascb)
22nd February 2011, 7:19
Seems in the Kavkaz reagion people are also taking up the example from north Africa and the arab world and are ramping up protests.
On Czech Radio they questioned the bid for the olympics in Sochi being hampered. That might get the Russian GP in trouble as well.
Who’s next in line?
Cyclops_PL (@cyclops_pl)
22nd February 2011, 12:10
The Caucasus region? So not going to happen. Remember Beijing Olympics? Russia is equally good at quieting things down when it’s needed. Also when it comes to North Africa or Arab countries there’s a huge difference in international support. When China or Russia were seriously condemned for their actions against it’s own people? International politics is full of hypocrisy.
BasCB (@bascb)
22nd February 2011, 12:39
Cynical but oh, so right you are. Russia is just to big and gas rich to boycott or ignore.
And it would probably be presented as sectarian religious fanatics or separatists anyway.
Maciek
22nd February 2011, 13:38
True to an extent. But purely objectively speaking – there is an issue of how many of a country’s own citizens decide to stand up and say no to the government at once. International support for what’s happening throughout the Arab world is coming because it’s quite obvious that in most places the majority of the population is saying ‘we are not free’ in a loud voice. If it were oppressed minorities trying to rise up, it would probably have been met with the usual see no evil, hear no evil.
I was born in communism so I have no illusions about repressive systems – but every dictatorship is at least partly enabled by the passivity of the population; whether it be out of fear or fatigue or any other reason. I seriously doubt that the Chinese and Russian governments would find much international support if their capital cities were filled with the same kinds of protests and widespread uprising we’ve seen recently.
montreal95 (@montreal95)
22nd February 2011, 15:39
BasCB:”And it would probably be presented as sectarian religious fanatics or separatists anyway.”
Which, as a matter of fact is all they are really, apart from the notion that even those “superlatives” aren’t enough to describe the bastars that blown up a bomb in that airport recently killing lots of citizens or those who held up a school hostage about 12 years ago and killed about 200 children(I’m not good with remembering numbers but it was in the hundreds), etc. etc. Really, words cannot describe what they really are, and if the west won’t learn to protect itself from that kind, instead of crying “Russia this, Russia that” or my personal favourite “Those security checks are inhuman”(are they? Do you prefere the above option?” then there will be many more Madrid train stations, London metros and WTC’s.
Regarding separatists: Caucasus has been under Russian rule for hundreds of years, and before that under Ottoman rule, and before that under the Mongolian and the Chazar’s rule. If the separatists are right, the we should break up the US into 20 pieces, the UK into at least 6, and I can go on and on with that. The world will not become a better place for it, quite the opposite.
P.S. Sorry for the long post, but some are too liberal for their own good. Soon if they don’t wake up they’ll find themselves under the rule of those who don’t care one bit about liberalism, human rights or the most sacred of all-the value of human life. By then it’ll be too late.Oh, and if you’re about to ask, I’m not Russian.
Maciek
22nd February 2011, 19:49
Montreal95 – there’s lots things that that can be said about your post, and one of them is that you’re confusing oppressed populations with the terrorists who claim to speak in their name. And as for separatism: being an upstanding citizen of the Western world, I’m sure you wouldn’t deny the freedom-loving peoples of the world the principle of self-determination that’s at the very foundation of our concept of independent states, would you?
Pinball
23rd February 2011, 8:23
This kind of talk happens every year. In situations like these it’s just the minority that make the most noise.
The grand prix is a massive event for Melbourne, and generally very popular. I have no doubt that the people in charge know this. If Melbourne didn’t have major events like this no one (well me anyway) would never set foot in the place.
AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner)
22nd February 2011, 0:17
All this talk of losing tracks makes me sad :( I’m not overly moved by Catalunya but Melbourne is great.
AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner)
22nd February 2011, 0:18
Oh and both Buemi and Alguersuari will be under real scrutiny this year. I can forgive them last year, it was the first year STR had to build and design their own car…but this year I’m expecting more.
Oliver
22nd February 2011, 1:01
I very much doubt STR run completely independent of RBR. My feeling is that they get some technical input from the prent company.
I mean both cars were even launched close to each other.
PJ
22nd February 2011, 10:24
Don’t they have Red Bull Technology gearboxes like Team Lotus?
BasCB (@bascb)
22nd February 2011, 12:40
They have the Ferrari rear end to come with the engine, just like Sauber does.
xbx-117 (@xbx-117)
22nd February 2011, 0:20
Ah, I just “discovered” Formula 1 last year, and Melbourne is one of my favorite tracks already. Would be a shame to see it go.
Captain Sorbet
22nd February 2011, 0:21
May I just wish my happiest regards to Juan Pablo Heidfeld. We all though you had gone to The states forever, now you’re back to replace Robert to get your first win!
US_Peter (@us_peter)
22nd February 2011, 0:56
LOL! Racing NASCAR and F1 both in one season is gonna be a tight schedule!
Palle
22nd February 2011, 4:06
A Heidfeld with Juan Pablo’s aggressiveness might be a winning combination;-)
Shiro
22nd February 2011, 10:41
Nah, Montoya with Heidfeld’s consistency and judgement would be a winning combination.
Cyclops_PL (@cyclops_pl)
22nd February 2011, 12:14
and without Montoya’s ginormous belly.
BasCB (@bascb)
22nd February 2011, 7:20
LOL, must be pretty good for a birthday. As JPM did a very good 500 and quit some testing milage as well.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
22nd February 2011, 0:27
Okay, now I’m willing to take claims about Melbourne seriously. The Lord Mayor was in no position to comment, since the arrangement between Ecclestone and the circuit was not made with the Lord Mayor. It gets funding from the state of Victoria, and the guy who is making the comments now is a sitting Member of Parliament, and someone who is actually able to influence the race, not some wannabe politician who is full of hot air.
damonsmedley (@damonsmedley)
22nd February 2011, 0:33
So how do you rate our chance of seeing even a 2012 Grand Prix? I can see Bernie spitting it shortly and just getting rid of it as quickly as possible. As we speak (this is how worried I am) I am frantically scouring the South Melbourne area for accommodation on Google Maps. I am not having much luck, though! :(
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
22nd February 2011, 0:52
I’d say they’ll see out the contract and then simply not renew it. The MP who made those comments said they would “politely decline” an extension, and the contract is good until 2014 or 2015; Doyle was the one looking to cancel it with immediate effect. It’s likely someone will come up with an alternative venue in the meantime.
Pink Peril
22nd February 2011, 1:04
Yawn. Every year from January to March The Age is full of axe-the-GP articles and letters. And as much as I love that venerable publication, it has had an axe to grind about the GP from the get go, which stems from the politics associated with it. As for the MP for Port Melbourne, well he is a federal MP. The GP is hosted by the State of Victoria. So while he can espouse all he likes in Federal Parliament about it, he still has no say in the future of the event.
DavidS (@davids)
22nd February 2011, 2:08
Exactly, he’s a Federal MP, and the GP is a State thing.
He’s simply another politician playing the popularity game by appeasing his constituents against the GP (I’d imagine a lot of them within earshot, or are severely affected by the traffic). He can’t do anything about it, so he’s absolved from blame when it’s still around, and has the ability to curry favour for many years with his voters.
Doing a little digging reveals his predecessor in the Federal Seat of Melbourne Ports – Clyde Holding – was also against the race…what a surprise!
bobo
22nd February 2011, 10:51
Whether the MP sits in a Federal or State legislative chamber is irrelevant.His responsibility (and role) is to act as a representative for his constituents’ interests and opinions. He has to make such statements.
The actual decision lies with a different administration but if the MP has the backing of his constituents, the State government would do well to take that into account.
Andrew G
22nd February 2011, 0:56
Yeh, except the sitting member is a member of the opposition. If a sitting member of the party in government said that then you can take it seriously. I lived in this MP’s electorate (100m from the track) and he used to make all sorts of noise about everything but never had any actual influence, even when his party was in government. A lot of his mates from his party lost their seats in the recent election so he’s sucking up to his electorate to save his own seat. Just my reading into it anyway.
BasCB (@bascb)
22nd February 2011, 7:23
Sounds like a pretty good analyses Andrew. Anyhow I would guess Bernie will wait a bit with any cancellation of contracts early now until the world settles down, CVC get out of their legal troubles and sell the whole gig on.
Eric
22nd February 2011, 3:45
Check along St Kilda road. I stayed at the park regis suites which was about 100 meters from Albert Park. There is also the quest apartments Windsor and the Seasons Heritage nearby too. If in doubt however pick something close to St Kilda road because the Trams run down there that makes life a lot easier.
Stephen Jones (@aus_steve)
22nd February 2011, 8:36
come stay at my house!
but seriously.. the hating of the AGP has just turned into political ammunition.. most of the comments on the website are from people complaining about a sport where “cars go in circles”.. they complain that the bogans can go elsewhere, then contradict themeselves with complaining about “the millionares toy car race”
noone seems to notice the publicity of F1 overseas.. when i compared it to the Football world cup, i got shot down.
damonsmedley (@damonsmedley)
22nd February 2011, 8:47
Exactly, and that’s the problem. But it does annoy me when people think that F1 fans are ‘bogans’. Every ‘bogan’ I’ve ever met absolutely hates F1 because there aren’t any ‘bogans’ in it, or for that matter, interested in it.
Pinball
23rd February 2011, 8:35
The guy making the comments is a member of the Commonwealth government (the government of Australia), not the Victorian government, therefore he has no say over how Victoria spend its money. Furthermore he is a Labor MP, and the government in Victoria is a Liberal government, so even if the Libs wanted to scrap the Grand Prix, they’d probably keep it just to spite Labor.
Finally I would suggest that is survey is statistically irrelevant. He represents 97,766 citizens, and he surveyed only 600 of them. That equates to asking 6 people out of every 1000 what they think of something. When you do that it’s pretty easy to only ask the 6 who you think will give you the answer you want.
jake
22nd February 2011, 0:48
I’m really not sure what’s going on at mclaren. What confuses me is that when for the last 2 years they have simply said where they think they are in testting, (so by the 3rd test in 09 they said they were stuggling) this year all they’ve said is “we are on track”. Also, the main issue seems to be more down to set-up rather than a fundamental downforce problem. Finally, am i right in thinking they are still running their 2010 front wing? Seems odd that they wouldn’t have run a single new front wing in 3 tests (2 with new car), could this mean we’re in for something radical?
Scribe (@scribe)
22nd February 2011, 1:31
if you ask me there designs a crock for the second time in three years and there just not admitting it. Why they couldn’t have done what they where good at and improved on last years design, a la Ferrari and Redbull, they’d have been right on the money. BUT NO!
Ahhhh when was the last time McLaren innovated their way to the title, 98? It’s getting silly.
BasCB (@bascb)
22nd February 2011, 7:26
That coming from a fan must really hurt you to say. I fear you might well be right.
Good job McLaren try something different and interesting for the tech fan, but what if they would just keep it simple and be fast?
But their car from last year was probably to much focussed on optimizing the DDD and having the F-duct to drop drag, so not really a good base for working on. They need to get into some stability though, be able to just built on from the year before, like RB or Ferrari.
icytrue
22nd February 2011, 8:55
@BasCB
I think you are right, their car was too focussed on those specific ideas to be the basis for this year where those two specific ideas are absent.
Presumably they saw some pretty convincing figures in their CFD and then proved them again in the wind tunnel before committing to such an adventurous design.
Let’s hope all their modelling and callobrations are correct and that it will therefore “come good” sooner or later.
Kenny
22nd February 2011, 3:57
They haven’t done too many laps compared to the other front runners. Maybe they really don’t know too much yet.
BBT
22nd February 2011, 8:40
Its seems that is mainly because they have been running different exhaust configs. I assume they ran the same one all day yesterday, the slower one. It not two late, they have over a month.
Adrian J (@adrian-j)
22nd February 2011, 8:35
Most of the teams are still using a version of their 2010 front wing so I wouldn’t read anything into McLaren doing likewise.
My concern is that, like last year, they’ve built a car which is hard to setup and even harder to find the sweet spot. One of the things that I remember reading about their 2007 and 2008 cars was that they were really easy to find a good setup with which is why they were easily so fast. You can have the fastest car on the grid, but if the drivers can’t set it up how they need it then you’re not going to show it.
What concerns me more is the reliability issues McLaren seem to be having – that’s not something I’m used to seeing as a Macca fan. I don’t think things are anywhere near as bad as 2009, and I do think they’ve got a fast car there (though maybe a little behind RBR and Ferrari at the moment) but they need to get the testing miles on it and start making some headway.
David-A (@david-a)
22nd February 2011, 0:48
I knew that GP2 Asia holding 66% of its rounds on 1 track was a joke.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
22nd February 2011, 1:02
The problem with GP2 Asia is that all of the races are flyaway events, which makes them much more expensive than the European races, which they can simply drive to. GP2 Asia used to go as far afield as Sentul in Indonesia and Sepang in Malaysia, but the costs just piled up and it stopped being worth it. But the concept of GP2 Asia and the way teams are encouraged to run drivers who do not hold racing licences issued in traditional racing nations (England, Germany, Brazil, etc.) is a good one because it opens up the door for foreign talent at the highest level of competition short of Formula 1.
BasCB (@bascb)
22nd February 2011, 7:29
It was a bit like a young driver contest while also testing the new equipment.
Shame they were not able to do Bahrain, Dubai, Quatar and Abu Dhabi at least, with maybe a stop in Turkey on the way back home. But the cost were just far to high, just like joining the fly away races in F1 would not be an option.
Oliver
22nd February 2011, 0:49
Many countries are finding it way too expensive to host Bernie and then also, the race.
One could argue about the benefit to the economy, exposure and all what not, however, the painful reality is that the organisers are gettng a low return on their investments.
Of course if they were sposored by the government then it may not be so difficult for the municipality hosting the event.
The dictatorships that make such large sums are mainly in the middle east, but these too may be non existent in a twinkle of an eye, going by recent developments.
So Bernie may have to consider a reduction in this extortion racket and safe guard those worthy venues.
And a happy birthday to J P Hiedfeld.
US_Peter (@us_peter)
22nd February 2011, 1:00
Unfortunately Bernie doesn’t much care for the fans or the circuits we all love. He’ll take his business to the highest bidder every time, to the detriment of the classic circuits.
Mach1
22nd February 2011, 0:51
I have a question Keith!
Which gp’s are paid for in full by governments and which are paid for by private companies/associations? Or are there any gp’s that are part subsidised by governments?
It would be cool to have an article discussing how all the tracks around the world are funded/paid for, if that info is available.
Taa
Calum
22nd February 2011, 9:29
Most apart from Britain, I would
say.US_Peter (@us_peter)
22nd February 2011, 1:03
Keith, I’m having more and more trouble loading pages on the site. Same problem I described a couple days ago in the roundup. I get the top bar, a gray box, and then it just goes into an infinite loop of trying to load different ad servers. I run Google Chrome 9.0.597.102 for Mac OS X 10.6.6.
Mach1
22nd February 2011, 1:06
I too have had issues – articles have updated then they have disappeared. Or on the main page they don’t seem to be updating as comments are added. I use firefox 3.6 and have tried refreshing cookies – to no avail
Adrian J (@adrian-j)
22nd February 2011, 8:38
Same here – seems to be the Ad Servers taking forever loading.
I too am using Chrome (9.0.597.98) on a Windows 7 PC.
manatcna (@manatcna)
22nd February 2011, 1:22
I’ve got firefox and haven’t had any problems
Edward Marshall
22nd February 2011, 6:43
I’m on that exact setup but haven’t had issues.
Have you got any smart add-ons or anything that could be causing issues?
You mentioned it was going between servers, does it say which?
ajokay (@)
22nd February 2011, 8:49
the top of my F1F page looks like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/ajokay/F1F.jpg
Firefox 3.5.16, Windows XP SP2
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
22nd February 2011, 9:03
Presumably a hard refresh (Ctrl-F5) doesn’t clear it? Looks like an old version of the CSS file is still cached somehow.
ajokay (@)
22nd February 2011, 11:26
Indeed it has! Normal service resumed.
frankus28 (@frankus28)
22nd February 2011, 1:28
If pollies in Melbourne don’t want the GP, it should go back to Adelaide.
Andrew G
22nd February 2011, 1:53
If Melbourne can’t afford it anymore then there is no way Adelaide would be able to. Back when Adelaide had the GP they were not paying the kind of money that today’s GP hosts pay.
frankus28 (@frankus28)
22nd February 2011, 4:58
Hmm… I agree, RIP wishful planning of returning to one of the great street circuits ever.
Regis
22nd February 2011, 1:55
or Brisbane !
nackavich (@nackavich)
23rd February 2011, 5:39
That would be nice, but since the QLD government can’t even keep our roads in good condition I doubt they’d be able to host a grand prix on anything better than a tarred goat track.
Adriasil
22nd February 2011, 18:21
Even if it’s a longshot… at least the infrastructure’s been improved. Our airport has since been upgraded from a shed to an actual airport.
BasCB (@bascb)
23rd February 2011, 8:28
Sounds more like something for an IRC or WRC event then!
Michael Griffin
22nd February 2011, 1:52
Something I keep seeing intermittently is “future of grand prix depends on (insert factor)”
Most of the time it is the sheer cost of holding a grand prix. Holding the grand prix itself doesn’t cost much, and is easily recouped from tickets sales, advertising, etc.
One big factor is the license to hold the event. Or as it’s more commonly known: lining the pockets of Sir Bernard of Ecclestone.
More and more historic and/or great tracks are being lost to this great sport, not because of “tough economic times” or ” a lack of support for F1″, its entirely the fault of Bernie.
Rather than going to oil states to further impress his bank manager, how about the commercial rights belong to a person or organization whose best interests are not the price of the event, rather the prestige.
The FIA.
Hopefully that day will come eventually. We/I can but hope.
Apologies for the rant Keith/everyone else, but that’s been building for months.
rfs
22nd February 2011, 2:05
Its not Bernie’s pockets getting lined so much as CVC’s coffers.
Adrian J (@adrian-j)
22nd February 2011, 8:40
I did read somewhere that the FiA might use the potential legal issues CVC finds itself facing to try and get the commercial rights to the sport back under Federation control.
I for one would welcome that!!
McLarenFanJamm
22nd February 2011, 8:52
Jean Todt has apparently been targeting the rights to F1 since he got the FIA presidents role. I can’t say I’d be against that.
Whilst I agree that F1 should broaden its Horizons and move into new markets, it should still go to places where there is at least some interest from the public and not just from the respective governing bodies wanting to show off how much money they have. See Bahrain/UAE/China for examples, no interest from the public whatsoever.
Turkey, whilst not really a statement of wealth from the rulers, is also another track that attracts sparse crowds, and this is despite being arguably the best of the “Tilke” tracks.
Maciek
22nd February 2011, 10:36
While FIA control will probably come with its own set of problems and fan frustrations – I think the chances are that track selection would become more based on sporting considerations, at least to some extent, rather than on empty glamour venues à la Bernie. One way or another, I think that few people (besides Bernie) would mind a change of management.
Toro Stevo
22nd February 2011, 11:16
Best Tilke track, that’s a bit like being the tallest midget.
McLarenFanJamm
22nd February 2011, 11:50
Yeah, I realise the irony of that last sentence ;)
David-A (@david-a)
23rd February 2011, 0:53
It’s much better than some non-Tilke tracks, too.
wasiF1 (@wasif1)
22nd February 2011, 2:04
Seems like for political reason & money some time in the near future F1 will disappear like the Dinosaur did millions of years ago.
The New Pope
22nd February 2011, 2:27
They need more races in Europe, the U.S., and South America.
Dave
22nd February 2011, 5:00
Or maybe the UK student riots again.
PeriSoft
22nd February 2011, 5:39
Obviously, the Australian government just has to start shooting some of its citizens. Problem solved!
Chole
22nd February 2011, 5:49
Just heard about a major bad news from NZ. An earthquake again! Man whats up with ANZ & southern hemisphere as a whole these days? Fires,floods,droughts,earthquakes,volcano & what not? The entire hemisphere seems to be pretty screwed up :(
Just pray for the safety of fellow F1F’s from NZ, I know Hare is from there. Hope you are fine mate.
Andrew G
22nd February 2011, 7:40
Second that !
Stephen Jones (@aus_steve)
22nd February 2011, 9:35
+1.. hope hare and all the other kiwis are ok
Stephen Jones (@aus_steve)
22nd February 2011, 9:35
actually he just commented.. so i guess he is
BasCB (@bascb)
22nd February 2011, 10:37
+1 Take care Hare, and all other NZs!
Isn’t that last comment from him a couple of hours back AUS_Steve?
Harv's
23rd February 2011, 4:42
Hey guys thanks for the comments! im heading down to chch to lend a hand on monday so we will see how it goes.
BasCB (@bascb)
23rd February 2011, 8:29
Good luck!
Icthyes
22nd February 2011, 7:28
I think the FIA having control would be a bad idea. Look what FIFA did with the World Cup selection, the decisions were still based on reasons other than fitness to host the tournament. UEFA chose France as a host for a future tournament because their President is French (though we of course want the French GP back.
Any control over the rights should be split. FOM have shown the dangers of monopoly, there’s no way it should be replaced for another.
BasCB (@bascb)
22nd February 2011, 7:53
Wonder if they are having a rethink on that now. Quatar sounded like a bad place for a World cup a couple of months ago, now it sounds even worse.
Exactly the same as FOM/CVC – money rules.
Calum
22nd February 2011, 9:30
BahrainMelbourneThe way it’s heading we could be starting the season in Europe!! :D
Hamish
22nd February 2011, 9:45
A bit of a run down for those not close to Melbourne:
1) Everyone Melbournian has an opinion on it
2) Only main study that produced unfavourable findings for the GP was a group called “Save Albert Park”. This is the day and age where image is more important than fact – If someone was to have seen Albert Park before the F1 came along they will probably change their opinion of who actually saved Albert Park.
3) Bernie is a massive factor in why many are against it. If the taxpayers money wasn’t lining the pockets of such an arrogant weasel the uproar wouldn’t be as big. He is the fuel on the fire. You will see that a lot of the negative comments about the race are not aimed at the politians that backed it, nor Ron Walker, but Bernie.
4) The noise is an issue. As much as I love it and don’t have an issue with it, it is. You can hear it a good 10km away. Albert Park is right in the middle of residential Melbourne. For those who don’t have a passion for F1, its like getting teeth pulled out without anaesthetic.
5) Melbourne has many many sporting events to the extent where I do believe it is the sporting capital of the world. The city has 10 AFL teams, 1 league team, 2 soccer teams, 1 rugby team, The Melbourne Cup, The Australian Open, The Moto GP and the Boxing Day Test – and this is in a city of just under 4 million people. All of these events are successful both financially and attendance wise, so the public doesn’t really look upon losing $40,000,000 per year that favourably.
However, Albert Park is the most viewed piece of Melbourne Real Estate by the outside world each year. Its basically a $40,000,000 advertising campaign for Melbourne. To say it doesn’t make back its investment over a 365 day cycle due to tourism, plus the hospitality, retail and accomodation revenue generated over that weekend is ridiculous.
Plus, do you seriously think I’d come on F1Fanatic and lobby for it to be dropped?
BasCB (@bascb)
22nd February 2011, 10:53
A fair point about the comparable cost of the GP and other events. Especially with the biggest share of that money going to CVC/Bernie.
When we look at all those great GPs running a risk of not making ends meet (Hockenheim, Nurburgring, Spa, …) with the current model and teams struggling to make ends meet at the same time, how long before that model is changed?
With FIA, FOM and FOTA all struggling for power, there will not be much chance for consensus. On the other hand the legal troubles for CVC should make the concord agreement negotiations even more volatile.
Hamish
22nd February 2011, 11:25
Meh I’ve always been for the breakaway series. All parties concerned in F1 seem to lose out except for Bernie and CVC. Its turned into such a money making venture that I’m sure many people at FOM and CVC forget theres a few races somewhere in the middle there.
He who nabs Ferrari and Monaco, has Formula 1. As I said previously – image is more important than fact.
Now, wheres my mystery backer?
MondoL
22nd February 2011, 9:52
Half the venues in Europe are also out.
I think bernie’s greed will turn F1 into a tourneé to PR-needed countries ( mid-east, China at el) and eventually turning into something irrelevant.
Everyday I see the teams-championship a more viable solution. The day ferrari and maclaren decide out and pull the sponsorship of Banco Santander, half European races fade away from F1 (Birt GP, Ger GP, Ita GP and Barcelona + Valencia more or less).
Either Bernie cuts profits or F1 will turn to something absolutely different.
dennis (@dennis)
22nd February 2011, 10:32
If Melbourne doesn’t want F1… Can’t anyone call Adelaide?
Toro Stevo
22nd February 2011, 11:26
While Bernie wants as much money as he does Adelaide won’t come to play.
Steph (@)
22nd February 2011, 10:54
Happy birthday Paco!
Andy C
22nd February 2011, 11:58
Are any other fans getting sick of the amount of tracks that seem to be struggling to pay the exhorbitant fees now the standard for holding a GP.
F1 has become a sport (ahem business) for only the richest bidders. Its nothing to do with whether it will provide good racing for the fans, on great tracks. now we get people who just buy grand prixs, nothing to do with whether it will be any good or not.
Watching Nascar the other day reconfirmed to me. You can criticise all you like about the lack of tech or joke about it not being sophisicated, but what American motorsports appear to do is provide the fans with good racing.
Fancy that bernie, providing a product for the consumer, rather than the Henry ford approach you use now.
You’ll have what we want to provide thanks very much. Just a thought….
Andy C
22nd February 2011, 12:02
And I’m not criticising the tracks here, the frustration is with the ridiculous fees to host a race.
McLarenFanJamm
22nd February 2011, 12:33
All this talk of tracks possibly being dropped from the calendar has got me thinking…
If you controlled F1, which circuits/countries (from this seasons calendar) would you drop and which would you replace them with (if any)?
DavidS (@davids)
22nd February 2011, 12:56
Bahrain (unrelated to the recent troubles, it was always mediocre)
China (boring racing and no atmosphere – advertising hoardings over grandstands)
Valencia – boring, Spain doesn’t need two F1 races.
I would want back Magny Cours, Imola and Mosport (although Road America and VIR would be good too).
Andy C
22nd February 2011, 14:12
Bahrain > replace with Laguna Seca.
Valencia > just because it is dreadfully boring. Replace with Magny Cours.
Monza > just to annoy a few ferrari fans (joking guys ;-)…..
Honestly, if we see another new track where they say, and here is where we are building the marina section…. :-)
Icthyes (@icthyes)
22nd February 2011, 20:14
I want a marina section for the Newcastle Grand Prix, that would be epic.
Skett (@skett)
24th February 2011, 22:57
Hmmm, Bahrain and Valencia.
Replace with…
Virginia International Raceway looks fun, or Brands Hatch? Can’t imagine those tracks are really safe enough for f1 though!
I’d probably go with Magny Cours and maybe Kyalami, though thats not exactly got huge runoffs. Germanys got some pretty good tracks, maybe have another one there?
alexander
22nd February 2011, 17:04
they cant drop the oz gp
it is one of the most exiting races in the season
it has always delivered classic races, and locals complaining about the noise, come on its only on for 3 days once a year.
politicians don’t know ***** all about f1 so why should they want to get rid of the gp
Dev
23rd February 2011, 3:31
it’s time that F1 says no to Melbourne, there would be other venues which would welcome a race within Australia for sure.
somerandomguy
23rd February 2011, 6:21
Stupid Ecclestone makes hosting the event too expensive. Bernie, just retire and let F1 be F1. Melbourne is a great event for F1. You said F1 “doesn’t need” Australia. F1 “doesn’t need” you
kostas
23rd February 2011, 7:47
i think that melbourne will be a good race, competitive and lot of new teams with some new drivers and i want to go very well ferrari and good day to everyone
kostas
23rd February 2011, 7:50
I CAN TELL THAT
1st alonso
2nd webber
3rd fettel
4th massa
5th hamilton and the rest drivers :P :P :P