Ecclestone targets summer break slot for Bahrain

2011 Bahrain Grand Prix

Bernie Ecclestone

Bernie Ecclestone

Bernie Ecclestone hopes to re-schedule the Bahrain Grand Prix to take place during the August break in the F1 calendar.

Speaking to the official F1 website he said: “We need a race in Bahrain.

“If the Crown Prince is of the opinion that his country is able to host a race we will return to Bahrain.

“I think the teams are sensible enough even to race in Bahrain in the summer break, and despite high temperatures, because this is the way we can support the country.”

There is a four-week break between the Hungarian Grand Prix (29th-31st July) and Belgian Grand Prix (26th-28th August).

Average temperatures in Bahrain hit their peak in August in the mid-30s, around 10C warmer than in March when the race is usually held. Maximum temperatures in August are as high as 38C.

Ecclestone denied there was a need for an alternative race in Europe. He added: “The FIA has to change the calendar, and Bahrain has to apply for a new slot.

“The FIA World Council will meet at the beginning of March and could look into the situation.

“I have already spoken with FIA President Jean Todt about the possibility of finding a new date and we both agreed that a decision has to be made before the season starts.”

Re-scheduling the race may only be possible if the political situation in the country improves. Ecclestone dismissed suggestions that F1 should not race there for political reasons:

“Formula One must never be political – full stop.

“My job is it to do the best deals possible for Formula One – to secure jobs. Five thousand people have jobs which are directly or indirectly connected to Formula One, and I want to secure these jobs.

“It is not my business to make politics. We have politicians for that.”

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164 comments on Ecclestone targets summer break slot for Bahrain

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  1. He also says that he sees a woman running F1 in 3-5 years. Are the Ecclestone daughters going to be taking over in 2015?

    • Mike said on 1st March 2011, 11:20

      Re: women running F1 in 3-5 yrs, this does seem to be one of the strongest hints Mr. E’s given recently on legacy planning in F1 and so far not a single news outlet seems to have picked up on it. Perhaps the media is the biggest barrier to a greater role for women in F1?

      • RIISE (@riise) said on 1st March 2011, 11:22

        I disagree, if there aren’t any good F1 women single seater racers then what can you do. You can’t hold back talent.

        • David said on 1st March 2011, 11:36

          Do women play football with men? Do female tennis players play tennis with men? Make a category for women to race together. Why they have to race in F1?

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 1st March 2011, 11:44

            There’s no need for that kind of segregation in motor racing, and nor is it desirable.

          • Mike said on 1st March 2011, 11:53

            Gents, I’d like to point out that Bernie was referring to running F1. And anyhow, what reasons are there for women to not race in F1? If they are physically capable and good enough, give thema shot.

            There are already a number of women working on the technical and commercial areas of F1, including Sauber CEO Monisha Kaltenborn. The media still seems to be very male dominated. Keith, what’s your experience of attending tests and press conferences? Are there many female journalists around?

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 1st March 2011, 11:56

            Well I sent one to Barcelona… http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/02/25/barcelona-f1-test-diary/

            And yes, there are a few others in the media. The BBC has Lee McKenzie and Natalie Pinkham, for example.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 1st March 2011, 12:00

            First of all, I pretty much agree with what Bernie says on women running F1. The ones that do are doing pretty well.

            Good point Mike makes about the media, glad Keith was able to help improve that cause with Leandra in Barcelona!

            Why should a women not be racing men. Can women be as fit? Why not.
            They might be even better at multitaksing, making them more suitable to get to grips with all the systems in the cars.

          • kowalsky said on 1st March 2011, 12:52

            don’t swet david, they won’t race in f1, just because they are not as good as men. There could be an exception to the rule, but that’s it. If there is one, bring her on, and we’ll see what she is made of.

          • kowalsky said on 1st March 2011, 12:57

            don’t worry david, there could be an exception, but this is a mens sport, and 99% of the drivers will alwaysbe men, with the rare exception once in a while. That can even bring a little color. Nothing to worry about.
            It would be hell if there were 50% of them on the grid. Just imagine all the complaining.
            I would stop watching f1, even on tv.

          • Dobin1000 (@dobin1000) said on 1st March 2011, 13:00

            Kowalsky – Your last sentence illustrates exactly why I hope there are at least 50% of women on the grid sooner rather than later. Byeee!!

          • Dobin1000 (@dobin1000) said on 1st March 2011, 13:03

            And yes, female tennis players do play tennis with men: it is called ‘mixed doubles’

          • Fixy (@fixy) said on 1st March 2011, 13:31

            We don’t need categories because motorsports require not solely human strength and ability, but cars. That’s why F1 isn’t in the Olympics: cars are what makes a real difference, and the competition would be from teams and far smaller by drivers, therefore females can compete in F1, as happened in the past, because there aren’t physical differences that stop a woman from driving a car.

          • nemo said on 1st March 2011, 13:44

            regarding Tennis.. urm yes. mixed doubles ;)

          • nemo said on 1st March 2011, 13:46

            then again.. women in F1.. it would be funny to see some indicating before taking over haha ;)

          • McLarenFanJamm said on 1st March 2011, 13:56

            Are “David” and “kowalsky” Richard Keys and Andy Gray in disguise?

          • MondoL said on 1st March 2011, 14:42

            In sports like shooting men and women compete together because there is no benefit for either sex.

            If danica can run in Nascar, I don’t see why can’t be a woman in a F1 drive.

            Current FWC in trial-motorbike also competes against men. Last week scored third. Ok she is unique, but it happens.

          • Between comments on this thread and on a recent post on James Allen’s blog, I’ve learned so much about misogyny among F1 fans lately! Can’t put a price on that kind of education.

          • David A said on 1st March 2011, 14:55

            I disagree David, just look at Indycar. Danica races competitively with the men.

          • LutzF1 said on 1st March 2011, 15:22

            Men and women compete together in equestrian events.

            There’s a good analogy between cars and horses; drivers and riders. Every driver/rider needs the skill to control the best cars/horses at the top level of their respective sports.

            Riding is also quite physically demanding, maybe not as much as F1, but I’m sure women can be fit enough to drive a F1 car.

          • f1alex (@f1alex) said on 1st March 2011, 16:45

            Kowalsky says that this is a “Men’s sport”. There’s no such thing. It’s just something sexist people say when they feel afraid that there might be women as good or better at the sport that they love.

          • f1alex (@f1alex) said on 1st March 2011, 16:50

            …Than men, I meant to say.

          • RaulZ said on 1st March 2011, 17:30

            It doesn’t matter all the reasons you are saying. If Bernie says there will be a woman racing then that will happen.

          • Jarred Walmsley said on 1st March 2011, 18:10

            Because unlike the sports you mention, motorsport does not rely on physical strength, in fact it is probably the only sport that is gender neutral in terms of ability.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 1st March 2011, 20:35

            Do female tennis players play tennis with men?

            Actually, yes they do.

          • We Want Turbos said on 1st March 2011, 21:56

            Women in F1 crack on. All I want to see is the best 24 drivers in the world race at the pinnacle of motorsport! Man or woman! The only thing I don’t want to see is a woman getting a race seat purely because shes a woman as that kind of political correctness sends out the wrong message and gives the sexist fools a basis to complain!!!

          • SeattleChris said on 1st March 2011, 23:49

            I am for equality in any form it comes… however, many people seem to be assuming that since the cars “do all the work” that there isn’t a physical aspect to driving. It would take a very strong AND talented female to compete at this level. This is the only reason I don’t believe we will see a female driver enter F1 and do reasonably well. I do hope that I am proven wrong however, but in the mean time I think it isn’t a bad idea to have a female series. I think of golf and how there are mens and womens divisions, but the ladies can get on a pga event and play. This way, we get two exciting sports with the excitement of the possibility of a crossover female.
            On the flip side I wonder why male NBA players, PGA, MLB and so forth players aren’t allowed to play in the female leagues (if equality is really what we are after).

          • MattW said on 2nd March 2011, 8:04

            Spot on We Want Turbos. I want to see the best drivers based purely on their driving ability, if they are male or female is irrelevant… and damn the whole “pay drivers” thing ggrr

        • There should be a woman F1 driver, but only when she’s good enough and earns her place through results not just because of her gender.

      • verstappen said on 1st March 2011, 11:57

        There are some women at high positions in F1, most known example is Monisha Kaltenborn from Sauber, but apart from that it does look like a hint at his heritage.

        Bernie has been schooling Tamara to know everyone by being a pitreporter and Petra as entrepeneur by setting up her own fashionlabel (called Form). Together they could probably succeed. Anyone knows their feelings about medals and wet tracks?

        Another typically Bernie quote made me smile:

        Take Kubica. Between two tests he was rallying and had this accident. I would have told him, ‘Listen, you are rallying next week so I guess you are a bit too tired for the test on the following weekend. So let’s have your team mate and the reserve man do the sessions.’ Do you think he would have taken the chance to rally? I don’t think so

        • TimG (@timg) said on 1st March 2011, 12:11

          Bernie did something very similar after the drivers’ strike at Kyalami in 1982.

          When Nelson Piquet returned to the track after the overnight protest, Bernie said he had concerns for his wellbeing and so all three Brabhams had Riccardo Patrese’s name on them in place of Piquet.

    • David said on 1st March 2011, 12:00

      So, there’s segregation in other sports? Come on now! I find it frivolous to put a woman in F1 just for the sake of it. If they really care for women in motorsport they should promote an academy for women.

      • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 1st March 2011, 12:08

        I find it frivolous to put a woman in F1 just for the sake of it.

        No-one’s saying do it “just for the sake of it”.

        If they really care for women in motorsport they should promote an academy for women.

        They do: FIA wants more women in motor racing

        • Jay Menon said on 2nd March 2011, 0:53

          Dont see why women cant race in F1.

          We cant compare F1 to other sports such as football or tennis since these sports rely predominatly on physical aspects, i.e. strength, speed, physique etc. A general woman’s physique is different to a man’s, on average, men are stronger, faster and bigger than woman…from a physical standpoint. Hence why men and women dont compete in the same leagues, it would be unfair. I still remember a couple years ago, Serena Williams, who is probably the world’s most physically strong woman tennis player, challenged some bloke who was ranked in the 100s on the ATP Tour, and lost.

          As many have pointed out, rightly so, F1 is a different kettle of fish. If a woman can be fit enough, which I dont doubt, cant see why they cant challenge in F1 if they have relevant experience in the lower racing categories.

      • But, like Bernie said, and others here have pointed out, this is about women running F1, not driving in F1.

        Either way, there are plenty of Women driving in lower formulae, as well as GT and tin-tops of various kinds. Indycar has Danika, The DTM has Suzie Stoddart (having been in F3 & Formula Renault)and Katherine Legge (F3, Toyota Atlantic & Champ Car). Sebastian Buemi’s cousin Natacha Gachnang has been in Formula BMW, Spanish F3, GT and Le Mans. And watching the BTCC on ITV4 last year, a number of the Ginetta Junior, Renault Clio and Formula Renault UK drivers are female. There’s no reason why F1 couldn’t have a female driver in the future.

      • Mike said on 1st March 2011, 12:18

        David, you’ve struck at the heart of the problem; it would indeed be frivolous to put a in F1 “just for the sake of it”. But if they have achieved their place on merit, they have as much right that seat as anyone else. Louise Hamilton or Fiona Alonso could be just as good as their male namesakes, if they’re given the opportunity to reach the highest level of motorsport.

        • zecks said on 1st March 2011, 13:34

          Agreed. Sadly formula 1 and motorsport in general has a lot to do with money (or lack of) so until someone is willing to put a lot of time and money in a grass roots, geniunly talented female drivers will never be in F1. And for all you hamihaters, that situation was the same lewis when he started. Anthony had to work 3 jobs to support him before Mclaren got involved.

          • Megawatt Herring said on 1st March 2011, 17:34

            Since F1 cars have no reverse gear I don’t see anything stopping women from racing in F1

            p.s. this is a joke don’t get too angry.

          • unoc said on 2nd March 2011, 0:27

            YOu talk about genuinly talented female drivers… now I’ve watched F1 for a bit and I have read wikipedia and I can’t find a single example of one of these genuinly talented women who could have been as close as Alonso in the same Ferrari last year, or could have done what Hamilton did, or etc… Infact I can’t even find one who has one a GP let alone enough consistancy to win a WDC.

            The best example of a female racing driver is Danica, I don’t know if she really is the best women currently, but she is publicised like it. If she is an an example then we can see why. Only ‘good’ at one ovals I think, useless on actual tracks. Every person is given the same chance, if they don’t take it it’s because their parents don’t want them too or they don’t want to. If they don’t want to then they don’t have the commitment for being a racing driver anyway.

            In short, if you rise through the levels it’s because you deserve it based on skill and with a bit of money. You can’t tell me that no one wants to sponsor the first female F1 driver and hence that is the reason why, and so we must conclude that no women is capable of beating Alonso or Raikkonen or whoever in an F1 car, and hence that there isn’t a competitive women drive for F1.

          • I’d say Danika Patrick probably couldn’t best Alonso in the same Ferrari or Vettel in the same Red Bull. But surely she’s better than Yuji Ide in the same Super Aguri, or Narain Karthikeyan in the same HRT? Who knows, maybe even better than Petrov in the same Renault.

          • Also, she wouldn’t be the first, there have been 5 or 6 female F1 drivers before.

  2. RIISE (@riise) said on 1st March 2011, 11:13

    Boy it’s going to be hot in August.

    • Nicholas (@nicholas) said on 1st March 2011, 11:33

      Averaging at 30-38 degrees celsius in August, Bernie is joking, isn’t he?

      • I was working in Bahrain for 5 yrs. I knew the August temp sometimes hit 45 deg celsius or even more. If thats the case I dont think any driver will survive not hitting the wall.

        • kowalsky said on 1st March 2011, 13:02

          then maybe a guy like maldonado, can have a chance of a podium. The strongest driver could win, instead of the fastest.
          I wouldn’t mind strenth to be the key at a couple of gp’s a year.

        • Toro Stevo said on 1st March 2011, 13:20

          Yeah I thought 38 degrees seemed a bit low as the absolute maximum temperature that could be reached. According to wiki that’s the average high, so you could expect some days the max to push toward mid 40s or higher.

          And the average low during August is 31 degrees. So in the middle of the night it will still be over 30.

          And it’s a good idea to do anything in that heat? Drivers passing out from the heat, should make for great racing… Is putting the drivers at risk really worth the few million that F1 may have to pay or lose out on as a result of the grand prix being passed over this year?

    • Henry said on 1st March 2011, 11:36

      More to the point, with the most races in one season to date, I dont think the teams will really be keen on stopping short their vital summer break: by that point they are pretty exhausted and I think they all know its vital to the health and sanity of all involved!

    • Dave Blanc said on 1st March 2011, 12:20

      I was at the Melbourne GP a couple of years ago when it was 39C on race day. Cars ran fine (and beer sales sky rocketed!)

    • Leon said on 1st March 2011, 19:10

      At last the real topic…..yep it’s going to be bloody hot in the desert in August.

      But Ecclstone says ‘WE need a race in Bahrain’.

      Now I wonder, which ‘we’ would that be ?
      We the fans…not a hope.
      We the teams…do me a favour !
      We, CVC Capital Partners and our mouthpiece, Mr E ? Well, now..that could just be the real ‘we’ !

      Bernie brings a whole new meaning to words in English don’t ee ?

    • Richard said on 1st March 2011, 19:43

      hot and I read ( per F1 Live), Bernie want’s to put the rain in Bahrain. Drivers better train in the sauna.

      • Gifan said on 2nd March 2011, 5:56

        “I think the teams are sensible enough even to race in Bahrain in the summer break, and despite high temperatures, because this is the way we can support ME.”

        The old billionaire prostitute. Suppose he’d be ok about dumping Melburn, Montreal, Spa, but not Bahrain for Allah’s sake!

  3. Red Andy (@red-andy) said on 1st March 2011, 11:14

    The average high in Manama in August is 38 degrees Celsius. From memory, I think they’ve raced in places like Sepang in temperatures as high or higher than that. I think the concerns over temperature are overblown – the question is really whether the four-week break over the summer is necessary, or can afford to be curtailed by a week (and whether a one-week gap between either Bahrain and Hungary or Bahrain and Belgium is logistically feasible).

    • James said on 1st March 2011, 11:16

      Difference in places where it’s hotter is there is humidity, which takes the edge of the temperature. There will be no moisture in the air making it extremely hot in the middle of August

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 1st March 2011, 11:32

        I am not too sure, that is right. Having high humidity as well as high temperature is far more demanding on the organism (as you have trouble sweating) than dry hot air.

        Try a steam sauna at 60 degrees and compare a dry sauna with the same temperature.

        Worst is the sun beating down on the visitors there causing dehydration. And the engines would be pretty bad with cooling as well.

        I agree with Red Andy about this being Bernie telling the teams to dump a few weeks of the holidays. This might even be relevant a move towards the commercial negotiations next year.

        • US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 1st March 2011, 18:16

          I agree with Red Andy about this being Bernie telling the teams to dump a few weeks of the holidays. This might even be relevant a move towards the commercial negotiations next year.

          You could be right.

          First he says adamantly that F1 should not be political and should leave that to the politicians, then later says that the race should take place in August “despite high temperatures, because this is the way we can support the country.” If that’s not a giant political statement at the potential expense of the health and well being of the entire paddock, I don’t know what is.

          • Leon said on 1st March 2011, 19:14

            Right on the money Peter !

            Because money is really what it’s all about ain’t it ?

      • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 1st March 2011, 11:42

        Well from my experience of living here in the UAE, the temperatures in August are unbearable. Its more like 45 than 38 and the humidity is around 85% all day. I imagine Bahrain will be similar, making it impossible for fans to enjoy the race.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 1st March 2011, 11:49

          Sounds gruelling. Seems Bernie is in for a season of topping the bill. Most GP and topping Phoenix for hottest GP ever.

          That should make Bahrain a TV only event, with maybe some lookers on in the VIP parts, but I can’t see any people wanting to be outside and look at it.

          How will Marshalls be able to cope with that, in their fire proof suits.

          I guess this is a bit of Bernie pushing for summer, to have an easier job getting late fall accepted. Maybe shortening the time between India and the next event, or put it between Abu Dhabi and Brazil.

          • bananarama said on 1st March 2011, 14:16

            I guess thats a possible explanation. Bernie is pushing for something nobody wants just so in the end he can make the deal he actually wanted in the first place.

          • Yasser Mansour said on 2nd March 2011, 7:16

            I strongly disagree about the fans not willing to be there ,,
            I think that the majority ( lets say 70% or more) of the fans attending would be either from bahrain or nearby GCC countries , and trust me 38 degrees is something normal ,, yes it a bit hot but it can be easily lived with ,, its the 50 degress we’re afraid of.

            I for example am from Riyadh,SaudiArabia and even if the temp was 45 I will hit the road and go to bahrain ,, and I’m pretty sure there are many fans around the in GCC countries that would do the same.

            Please bernie make it happen.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 1st March 2011, 11:52

          By the way GeeMac, do you get any clue about political goings on in the area?

          Bahrain is still not very calm, protesters seem to be persistand to get some reforms. And Oman now seems to be worsening (Dutch harbour conglomerate evacuated its 150 people).
          Will it be feasable come summer (the heat will tone down any protests)? Or maybe even the Abu Dhabi time slot might become risky!

          • GeeMac said on 1st March 2011, 14:10

            It is pretty brutal. I was planning on going to Bahrain for the race in March, but I’d definitly think twice about going to Bahrain in August, sitting in that heat for 5 minutes would kill you, several hours straight for 3 days would be terrible.

            As for the plitical goings on, I rely on the foreign press myself, tend to give a more balanced view, so I can’t shed any more light I’m affraid!

  4. James said on 1st March 2011, 11:19

    Isnt the mid summer break for the teams to go away for 2 weeks or so? With such long arduous seasons, I though this was to let the crews wind down for a little bit of time.

    Plus, the summer break is there to shut the factories down for two weeks, to prevent the front runners getting miles ahead following the break.

    Furthermore, the logistics of moving whole teams from the middle of Europe, to the Middle East and back to Europe again will be incredibly tight. The freight takes about up to 7-10 days to get there.

    Please Bernie, just bugger off. You’re getting more ridiculous with age.

  5. LosD said on 1st March 2011, 11:19

    I think the teams are sensible enough even to race in Bahrain in the summer break, and despite high temperatures, because this is the way we can support the country.

    Formula One must never be political – full stop.

    Decide, please?

    • Icthyes said on 1st March 2011, 13:13

      Well, there is a difference between politics and humanitarianism. Not that this isn’t typical Bernie BS. I bet there were a few people who weren’t happy at Williams’ comments and Bernie is trying to calm his clients down.

  6. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 1st March 2011, 11:20

    This is going to make the Bahrain Grand Prix a specialist flyaway event. I remember the teams lobbying hard against this last year, and getting the date for the Turkish Grand Prix moved up a week to cut down on costs. I suppose it could be worked in such a way that the teams send stuff out to Bahrain and then have the equipment go on to Singapore after the race, but will they agree to it?

    Average temperatures in Bahrain hit their peak in August in the mid-30s, around 10C warmer than in March when the race is usually held.

    Should make the race more interesting then. Higher temperatures make things harder for the drivers, and put more strain on the cars. It could well throw up an unexpected result if it’s particularly hot. I don’t even being Vitaly Petrov or Nick Heidfeld though. Those black cars and black racing suits will retain a lot of heat. Maybe Renault should invest in those cooling vests that were developed for the Sydney Olympic Games, pumping cooled fliud through a series of tubes nestled between two layers of neoprene (the stuff used in wetsuits).

    • Ben N said on 1st March 2011, 11:30

      I’m not worried about their black race suits! It’s the exhaust system they have which pumps heat into the cockpit which will make it unbearable!

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 1st March 2011, 11:41

        Actually, it doesn’t pump heat into the cockpit. The exhaust system leaves the engine, loops back around to travel forwards, then run along the bottom of the car and releases the exhaust fuems out of the sidepods. The drivers might feel the heat around their backs and behinds, but they’ve gone through all the testing to date without any problems. Plus, the exhaust pipes are wrapped in insulation, so it shouldn’t be too much of a problem.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 1st March 2011, 11:34

      I think Heidfeld or someone else used them last year already (remember Brundle commenting on it during his gridwalk). Not sure exactly where it was.

      Worse will be for the viewers, then again Bahrain does not have that many grandstands, so something like a free drinks regime might be plaudible.

  7. slr said on 1st March 2011, 11:24

    I the teams would not be happy if their four week break was interrupted by the Bahrain Grand Prix. They should just leave Bahrain out of the calendar for this year, and wait for next year’s race.

  8. GeorgeTuk (@georgetuk) said on 1st March 2011, 11:25

    Its ok to say they can cut it down but engineers and mechnaics and all the staff have families and this makes it very tough on them.

    That really needs to be brought into consideration in my opinion, its no ones fault about Bahrain but doesn’t mean it must be replaced at all costs.

  9. Alex Bkk said on 1st March 2011, 11:35

    because this is the way we can support the country.”

    Why not support a far more interesting country? France maybe…

  10. BasCB (@bascb) said on 1st March 2011, 11:37

    The real matter is weather the teams will let themselves be pushed into this.
    And even more important, what will the developments in the region do for the GP. Will the Bahrain CK manage to get some reforms going to calm down the protests and make it a suitable event?
    It still is a few months, but serious talks will not be resolves in a matter of weeks.

    • Alex Bkk said on 1st March 2011, 11:53

      Doesn’t look like it will happen to me. Protest there seem to still be going strong.

      http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_BAHRAIN_PROTESTS?SITE=AZPHG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 1st March 2011, 11:56

        That would be a problem if the race was being planned for next month. Instead, the Powers That Be are looking at an August or November date, six months away at the very least. That’s plenty of time for Bahrain to fix things up.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 1st March 2011, 12:06

          I would not be too sure about that PM. Especially as they would have to decide now, so no chance to change much if it does not get on in Bahrain.

          Would Bernie risk having the GP taken hostage of any talks about reform getting on? The opposition clearly see that they can use threats to disrupt the GP to make the government give in, and they will (try) to use this whenever progress is seen to be too slow.

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 1st March 2011, 12:13

            The government does not have to complete the talks with the protestors and introduce all of the agreed changes before the race can begin. All they have to do is show progress in instituing reform, enough progress to satisfy the protestors. If there is a splinter group of disagree with the changes the government is making, there is little danger the race would be “hijacked” because such a fringe group would only be relatively small. Provided the population is happy with the progress the government is making, then there is no reason why the race cannot go ahead, even if the government hasn’t fully negotiated with the protestors or introduced all of their demands.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 1st March 2011, 15:27

            Just the region is looking like this currently: http://www.nrc.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/democracy-586×418.jpg

    • bosyber said on 1st March 2011, 12:12

      In fact, a few months down the line, the CK will have to be able to show at least a bit of results or patience will have become thin. In any case, either there will be results, but likely less than the protesters want, or there will hardly be any results yet; in all cases having the return of the race might provide a good excuse to once again take to the streets.

  11. maxthecat said on 1st March 2011, 11:45

    I bet Bernie loves Abba, Money, Money, Money. Seriously i love F1 but it really needs to stop thinking it’s so important, if it is then it should setting an example by NOT racing in countries killing it’s citizens. Libyan Grand Prix anyone?

  12. Maciek said on 1st March 2011, 11:48

    What a coherent set of values the man has: it’s fine for him to say that Hitler was an OK guy, but it’s too political to say that shooting people is wrong. What a Max-Mosley-name-for-Ron-Dennis.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 1st March 2011, 11:54

      A lot of people took those Hitler comments out of context. Bernie was not talking about the Holocaust and the way Hitler set Europe an the world on a course for war. He was referring to the way Hitler unified a defeated and broken Germany under one rule following the First World War. What Hitler did next was unspeakable, but Bernie was not heaping praise on him for that. It was the media and the fans who put words in his mouth. Bernie was saying that in the wake of of the political crisis of 2009 and Mosley’s departure from the presidency, the sport was in serious trouble of fracturing and needed strong leadership. He went about it in entirely the wrong way, but he never once said that Hitler’s actions in massacaring millions of people was ever right or admirable.

      • bosyber said on 1st March 2011, 12:23

        That, to me, does not sound like criticism was due to taking things out of context. A strong leader you say, yeah, I suppose. But the nazi party wasn’t just another party that then turned around and started a terrible war. They deliberately worked to imprison and root out minorities they didn’t like; the war was, officially, not even the biggest point of it, just a means to an end: making the germanic races a big power, under German lead.

        We could take Stalin too, he was a bit in the same mold of strong leader. Bernie might have looked at other strong leaders. I recently watched “the Kings speech”, noted that Churchill has a side role as a real leader; similar to some recent Dr. Who episode – maybe he would be slightly more appropriate, for example?

      • Maciek said on 1st March 2011, 12:45

        Praising Hitler for anything implies that you tacitly accept everything he did, because you can’t separate Nazi organisation from what that organisation aimed to do. Hitler did not unify Germany – he violently imposed a brutal dictatorship based on racial hierarchy. People who praise any part of that are either ignorant of facts or willing to overlook industrialised mass murder, and in Bernie’s case I think it was both.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 1st March 2011, 13:16

          I think Bernie is guilty of nothing more than making comments that were in poor taste. I do not think he is ignorant or amoral; those are labels that have been given to him by the fans and media who disagree with his business practices.

          • bobo said on 1st March 2011, 21:39

            You know PM, I often disagree with what you say but I always like the way you give a well reasoned judgement. On this one, however, I must disagree.

            Bernie seems unable or unwilling to recognise that world view of the Nazi party, which drove Hitler’s political agenda, was a Fascist model. Individual freedom, the right to exist, the relationship with other countries and peoples, were all based on the concept of kill or be killed.

            We have seen very little else like it on a global scale, but it’s been present in regional conflicts. This is not a final crazy product, it is the basis of the model, a model which is almost uniquely focused towards the creation of a ‘strong’ and ‘unified’ nation and state’, at least in the short term.

            I think that Bernie is just focused on perceived end results at a given point in time, and that’s why he made the comment. He does also happen to be a member of a select section of society that might be less affected by such a world view, and by life under such a regime. Even though that implies that Bernie could have authoritarian sympathies I myself don’t dare to believe that. I don’t believe he thinks such a perspective should be applied to politics, but maybe he thinks that in business it’s not such a big deal.

            Anyway, this comment is horribly long, political, and speculative. Sorry about it guys (and PM), but I had to say what I’ve written.

            I do agree (with PM) that many of us are biased against Bernie though, I know I certainly am. But on this issue I think my perspective is objective.

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 2nd March 2011, 7:26

            Bernie seems unable or unwilling to recognise that world view of the Nazi party, which drove Hitler’s political agenda, was a Fascist model. Individual freedom, the right to exist, the relationship with other countries and peoples, were all based on the concept of kill or be killed.

            I suspect that he saw the state Germany was in after the war, and the state it was in once Hitler gained power, and considered it a case of strong leadership because of the way the country turned around. He did not, however, consider anything outside that example of what he called strong leadership. None of the factors that contributed to Hitler’s reign before, during or after his rule crossed Bernie’s mind. It’s as if he said “Barack Obama is a good public speaker” without mentioning whether this Barack Obama character is the President or still in grade school. And while they were in poor taste, the intentions behind Bernie’s comments made sense to me, even if I, like everyone else completely disagreed with the example he used (though I can see no other immediately-obvious example to draw parallels with; the suggestion that Winston Churchill would have been more appropriate does not work because England was not falling apart at the seams after the First World War). I also think Bernie expected everyone to understand what he was getting at without letting the whole Hitler issue cloud everyone’s judgement. It’s just in the way that he thinks.

          • Maciek said on 2nd March 2011, 9:05

            It’s as if he said “Barack Obama is a good public speaker” without mentioning whether this Barack Obama character is the President or still in grade school

            No, it certainly isn’t. It’s as if he said: “I admire the leadership qualities of that mass murderer.” But I guess that’s just my judgment being clouded by “that whole Hitler thing”. PM you, conveniently like Bernie, are unable to accept plain logic and reason when it doesn’t suit your preconceived notions.

  13. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 1st March 2011, 12:09

    ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST AN AUGUST AND A NOVEMBER RACE.

    August
    For:
    – The race can easily be inserted into the calendar without causing much disruption to other events.
    – Teams and fans do not have to wait an entire month between races; we get nine straight months of racing with no more than a two-week gap between races.
    – Local climate could cause a difficult race with an unexpected result.
    – The race will offer and extra 25 World Championship points for the winner.

    Against:
    – Teams have opposed special one-off flyaway events in the past and may disagree with the logistics.
    – Local climate conditions could cause concerns for driver safety if they race in incredible heat.

    November
    For:
    – Geography of the region makes turn-around from Abu Dhabi to Bahrain very easy.
    – November date gives Bahrain more time to sort out its political troubles.
    – Climate is much easier on the teams and drivers.

    Against:
    – Turn-around from New Delhi is unknown, which means race would have to take place after Abu Dhabi; this could push the race back as teams race from the Middle East to South America and teams will not like a championship that runs into December.
    – Geography of the region means that two races in close proximity could adversely affect crowd numbers at one or both events.
    – Final away leg would now consist of seven events instead of six, meaning teams would have to shoulder additional costs of flying personnel and equipment out to the extra event.

    Conclusion
    Both arguments are fairly evenly-matched. An August race is more appealing because it keeps the championship flowing and doesn’t clutter the calendar at the end of the season. The heat and opposition to a special race from the teams are the biggest concerns, but if the organisers and/or FOM were to shoulder the costs of transporting everything from Hungary to Bahrain to Belgium, the teams may be more amenable to it. And the difficult conditions have the potential to make for an interesting result. Any concerns over driver exhaustion can easily be remedied.

  14. Ah, 38C at max. The drivers will literally melt about that idea. Overheating – not a problem, install additional water tanks and perhaps spray some water on the track to make the race more exciting than the usual dullness.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 1st March 2011, 12:14

      The drivers will literally melt about that idea.

      Pansies. V8 Supercars regularly get up to 50 or even 60 degrees in the cockpit. 38 is like a winter’s day to them.

      • Daffid said on 1st March 2011, 14:45

        38 air temp in shade, so track temp probably 50-55, so cockpit temp prob around 70. Nice…

    • sam said on 1st March 2011, 12:32

      What usual dullness? Only last year was the race dull (due to the layout) but that was slightly negated by the fact that it was the season opener. Remember 2009, when we got a Toyota front row? 2008, Kubica got his first pole position? Hamilton in 2007 became the first rookie to have 3 podiums in his first 3 races, and of course Kimi rising no less than 19 places from the grid to the flag in 2006

      Doesn’t seem that boring to me…….

      Personally, I think they should slot it in before Abu Dhabi, tough on the teams I know, but there’s no way they would want to race in near 40 degree heat in the middle of their summer break

      • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 1st March 2011, 20:10

        To be fair, 2009 was a dull race too, apart from Jenson overtaking Lewis, though ironically that destroyed the prospect of a late-race battle between him and Vettel.

        • David-A (@david-a) said on 1st March 2011, 20:50

          Yeah, only the first 5 laps were exciting in 2009. Those were brilliant, but the final 90% of the race was as boring as they come.

          • mike said on 1st March 2011, 21:52

            I don’t know if it’s just me, but I thought that Bahrain 2010 was better than 2009, and according to f1 racing mag (2010 bahrain race report) ‘there were 4 morfe overtakes than last year’. I think if that race was put in the 2009 season, we would have considered it to be quite good.

      • Hyoko said on 1st March 2011, 21:14

        Last year it was dull mostly for the Ferrari Hater Brigade

  15. DavidS (@davids) said on 1st March 2011, 12:23

    38 degrees air temperature, and that’s what’s measured officially using a Stevenson Screen and specific criteria for measurement. The temperature in the sun on a solid piece of concrete or asphalt is going to be much much higher with lots of heat radiating from those materials.

    Many outdoor industries have a temperature where they cannot allow people to work. Bernie is crazy if he thinks that it would be OK for F1 to go to a hot country in the hot season and race around on a hot surface in a heat source.

    Remember, when an area experiences a heat wave of a lesser intensity than the average Bahrain summer, authorities advise people to check on people his age to make sure they haven’t died of heat stroke.

    • US_Peter said on 2nd March 2011, 3:31

      Remember, when an area experiences a heat wave of a lesser intensity than the average Bahrain summer, authorities advise people to check on people his age to make sure they haven’t died of heat stroke.

      True, and Bernie wasn’t even in the heat when he made these comments. Imagine the kinds of things that will be coming out of his mouth if he’s in Bahrain in August.

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