Ecclestone “anti, anti, anti, anti” 2013 engine rules

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Bernie Ecclestone says he does not agree with F1′s planned change of engine formula in 2013.

He told journalists in Australia he is “anti, anti, anti, anti moving into this small turbo four formula.”

F1 is moving to 1.6-litre, four-cylinder engines in 2013.

Ecclestone added: “We don’t need it and if it’s so important it’s the sort of thing that should be in saloon car racing.”

According to Ecclestone only two thing are important in F1: “One is Ferrari and second is the noise.”

He said: “The rest of it is basically PR – it’s nothing in the world to do with Formula One. These changes are going to be terribly costly to the sport.

“I’m sure the promoters will lose a big audience and I’m quite sure we’ll lose TV.

Ecclestone said he and FIA president Jean Todt were “at loggerheads” over the planned changes, saying:

“He’s not a promoter and he’s not selling Formula One to be honest.

“Jean and I are a little bit at loggerheads over this engine. I don’t see the reason for it.

“We had the KERS and this was supposed to solve the problem that Formula One is not green and now we’ve got something else.”

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167 comments on Ecclestone “anti, anti, anti, anti” 2013 engine rules

  1. Gusto said on 17th March 2011, 19:38

    Ive never been into this `Green Agenda` balderdash, if it was the case we would be designing nuclear powered engines as this is the new green agenda that Friends of the Earth are blindly agreeing too as a replacement for fossil fuels, even though CO2 rises after the temperature rises, and theres been a decade of cooling, but thats for other forums.

  2. Ferrari1607 said on 17th March 2011, 19:38

    Why 4 cylinder.
    Why not go with a turbocharged V-6, or flat-6.

    • I suppose because most ordinary road cars use inline-4s?

      • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 17th March 2011, 20:17

        There are a lot of 3 cylinder diesels as well!

      • Maksutov said on 18th March 2011, 2:33

        but why does F1 have to reflect ordinary cars? what on earth does F1 have anything to do with ordinary little shopping 4 cylinder granny cars? Answer is nothing. No matter what the politics say, F1 is never going to influence global warming in any way. Road cars are road cars, F1 cars are F1 cars. Simple and final fact.

        Back to the sound. Sound is important in motorsport as traditionally it has been one of the primary factors for attracting the audience to the sport and keeping the audience excited throughout. Is the 12,000rpm 4 cylinder going to generate enough excitement? I’m sure you’ll be able to hear it, but not as much as in the past. In the past (not so much now, but its still not too bad), you not only had to wear earplugs but also brace yourself from the mere vibrations that emanated from the car, because your whole body was f shaking from the noise! That is F1!

        • BBT said on 18th March 2011, 8:42

          what on earth does F1 have anything to do with ordinary little shopping 4 cylinder granny cars?
          Nothing, and it still won’t, how many 4cyl granny cars do you know with 600+ BHP revving to 12,000rpm.

  3. Fred Schechter said on 17th March 2011, 19:50

    ….. and this is why I voted Bernie off of the island..

    Seriously, an acoustic engineer can’t make 950hp sounds awesome coming out of a smaller displacement engine? I find that ridiculous!

    Bernie,, please grow up.

  4. AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 17th March 2011, 20:00

    Talking out of his backside.

  5. S.J.M (@sjm) said on 17th March 2011, 20:06

    I think too many people are beginning to worry to much on what the cars will sound like and think more about what the sports supposed to be, and thats how damn fast the cars can go.

    Seriously, the extreme majority of people watch F1 on TV, sound means little on this medium (with commentry going on) and going to F1 is probably out of a large% of peoples price range or not in their country. Yes, its nice that they are loud and boomy, but if the racing isnt effected then I dont mind so much what engines they use as long as (i repeat) the racing isnt effected.

    Bernie wants to sell tickets and TV revenue, thats fine, but most people watch F1 for more then what sounds they make. If he wanted to have descided this, he should have bought the FIA ;)

    • I agree – previously people have complained that the lack of overtaking, the politics and bitching, and erratic stewarding decisions were ruining F1.

      Suddenly the engine rules are changing and everyone now says that it wasn’t any of those things, but the fact that the engines don’t sound like Motorhead playing a concert on an asteriod crashing into the Sun!

  6. matt90 said on 17th March 2011, 20:06

    If they ease the restrictions so that engines can once again run to 1000bhp and they sound good then I don’t care on the formula. More engine development is needed though!

  7. Robbie said on 17th March 2011, 20:08

    “One is Ferrari and second is the noise.”

    Excuse me while I die a little inside.

    • semirossi said on 18th March 2011, 17:19

      May I join you.

      I actually think more people would watch F1 if Ferrari left the scene in favor for some of the bigger manufacturers. Bring back Toyota BMW and Honda. Lure in Mazda, VW and Ford too and ban those poor red wannabes and then let the true party begin.

      And… the noise will always be there – no matter how many cyls they use.

  8. asif said on 17th March 2011, 20:13

    who cares f1 about being green
    if the rule changes went ahead id probably stop going to races becasue there will be no noise

    i completely agree with bernie
    NOONE CARES ABOUT F1 being green

    and f1 is going back to the 80s in 2013 so
    basically i agree with bernie because F1 will lose ALOT of viewers and i mean ALOT.
    and i also agree with mcmercslr

  9. Todfod (@todfod) said on 17th March 2011, 20:14

    According to Ecclestone only two thing are important in F1: “One is Ferrari and second is the noise.”

    Anyone still think Bernie is the right man to be running formula 1?

  10. GeeMac (@geemac) said on 17th March 2011, 20:15

    So he is anti small turbocharged engines, but for shortcuts and artificial rain…I’d comment, but I’m just shaking my head at the man!

  11. Nobody made up any Ferrari conspiracy theories in the comments yet? I’m shocked! :)

    • Toro Stevo said on 17th March 2011, 23:19

      It would hardly be a conspiracy, when it’s said so in such an upfront way.

      It was one of the reasons I wanted a breakaway series a few years ago sans Ferrari (before the latest threat, a few years before). Not because I wanted to see them gone but just to prove that they weren’t as critical as they maintained they were in financial negotiations. F1 would be lesser without them, but it would survive.

  12. sato113 (@sato113) said on 17th March 2011, 20:29

    One is Ferrari and second is the noise

    lets be honest, that’s very true.

    • newnhamlea1 said on 17th March 2011, 23:18

      He is correct, first thing people think of when you say f1 is “NEEEEEEEEOWWWWWW!” and the second is Ferrari.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 17th March 2011, 23:24

      I can see why he considers Ferrari important.

      But the majority of F1 viewership occurs through television and that gives little sense of the noise at all. I expect the new engines will sound fine I think Ecclestone’s just having a whinge.

      • Dan11 said on 17th March 2011, 23:49

        ‘that gives little sense of the noise at all’
        Sorry Keith just being curious where do you find that, is there any data etc showing that? :)
        Thanks

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 18th March 2011, 7:41

          Try standing next to an F1 car when it’s revving, then watching the same thing on TV.

          • BBT said on 18th March 2011, 8:47

            Totally agree, TV sound is suppressed to hell (and you surround sound can’t even produce the same level of output), so unless you are at the race it make absolutely zero different if the db level drops by 5dbs

          • Dan11 said on 18th March 2011, 9:33

            Sorry Keith, misunderstanding here i thought you said majority of tv viewers doesn’t care about the noise at all, my bad.
            I been to F1 race before it’s different i know especially the sound when the cars shift down there is a big bang where we don’t really catch that on TV. But for the sound on tv i think we could hear the difference as well although not the same as on track, in my opinion V10 sounds more racey and has higher pitched, V8 sounds good too but just too tame. If the engine does go smaller again i just hope the characteristic of F1 sound doesn’t go badly even on TV.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 18th March 2011, 9:46

            Ah that clears that up!

      • Lemon (@lemon) said on 18th March 2011, 0:21

        The problem I have is that i’ve never been to an F1 race in person to experience the atmosphere and the SOUND! I just hope that i’ll have enough money to go to a race before they destroy the noise with these pathetic engines!

  13. Guilherme Teixeira said on 17th March 2011, 23:26

    “The rest of it is basically PR – it’s nothing in the world to do with Formula One. These changes are going to be terribly costly to the sport.”

    Yeah, sure, it’s going to be terribly costly to the sport to attract brands like Volkswagen, Honda, Hyundai and possibly others who might be interest in the new engine regulations. It’s going to be terribly costly to change the status quo of engine power, to introduce new technologies and to be more ‘green’ at the same time…

    I’m sure it’s not going to be costly to F1 as a sport, but to FOM, I wouldn’t say the same…

  14. taurus said on 17th March 2011, 23:49

    V8, V10, V12

    V8 sounds good, V10 sounds perfect, V12 sounds like a multiple orgasm.

    lets just have them all, F1 going ‘green’ is not going to save the planet, so lets have some screaming engines while we’re here please.

    • Lemon (@lemon) said on 18th March 2011, 0:25

      you only live once!! (I do realise this is a completely ignorant and selfish attitude with regards to the future of the planet, but im sure the F1 cars thmselves make up such a small proportion of emmissions that what we really need to be changing is road cars and such like transportation!)

    • Maksutov said on 18th March 2011, 3:07

      4 – sounds terrible
      6 – sounds acceptable
      V6 – sounds acceptable
      V8 – sounds good
      V10 – sounds perfect
      V12 – sounds unbelievable!

      :)

      • Stephan88 (@stephan88) said on 18th March 2011, 3:40

        Good scale you should really make a presentation to The FIA.
        Bernie’s version of that scale would be:
        4 – Going to loose alot of money
        6 – loose some money
        V6 – still loose some mone
        V8 – Profits stay the same
        V10 – Make more money
        V12 – Make a hell of alot of moneys!!!!!!!!!!!

        The FIA should make all decisions based on this type of scale.

  15. I’m with Bernie. And I never thought I’d type that on a public forum. “Going green” and making Formula 1 “more relevant”? Rubbish. Jetting several 1000 tons of equipment and people around the world to ever further flung places isn’t the basis of a “green” sport. And why does F1 need to be relevant? When has it ever been relevant? Surely that’s why we like it, the escapism from the humdrum of our own motoring? Otherwise we might as well take our deckchairs to our local roundabout and watch the diesel Golfs going round and round.

    • It seems to me that the argument about ‘going green’ is only ever made by those against the new regs to use as a stick to beat it.

      These new engines could potentially attract more manufacturers to the sport because of the increased relevance to production cars, which means teams can buy engines more cheaply due to increased competition and teams like HRT could be set up and get a decent engine while devoting more of their budget to building a better chassis.

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