Ecclestone still pushing “artificial rain” idea

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In today’s round-up: Ecclestone is still keen to install sprinklers on F1 tracks.

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Top F1 links from the past 24 hours:

Bernie Ecclestone stands by Formula 1 ‘fake rain’ plans (BBC)

“There’s no reason why sprinklers shouldn’t happen. There’s so much support because wet races are always the best by far.”

Staten Island says not so fast to F1 (Austin-American Statesman)

“Ecclestone has been squabbling with some Melbourne officials about the future of the race there, and the word from down under was that Ecclestone was instead spending his time chatting with New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg about staging a future race on Staten Island. That, apparently, is news to Staten Island.”

Vettel has ‘out clause’ to leave Red Bull (Herald Sun)

“It has now been revealed that there is an ‘out’ clause in Vettel’s deal which would allow him to leave if Red Bull does not deliver him a competitive car.”

Reserve driver role is not a setback to my F1 career: Chandhok (The Times of India)

“In some ways, one can say that it is a setback to my career as I raced last year. But I am with a better team this year and am looking at more performances. From outside it may seem that I have taken a step backwards but actually being there in the F1 circuit it is like taking two steps forward.”

Johnny Herbert karting on Twitter

“Johnny Herbert is back as the Driver Steward this weekend.”

Anthony and Lewis Hamilton’s motor racing double act (Daily Telegraph)

“Fun times and tough times as father and son go racing.”

Walker: Australian GP future secure (Autosport)

“I think it is very secure. There is a five-year option there that goes either way, and Mr Ecclestone recognises that this is a great city to come to.”

Radio 5 Live on Twitter

“The practice sessions will not be in HD on the Red Button but as the transmission leaving Melbourne will be in HD picture should be better in SD.”

Jenson Button warns Lewis Hamilton against moving from McLaren (The Guardian)

“It’s Lewis’s decision, but I think that he feels very much at home within this team and it might be a surprise for him going somewhere else. It would be a very different environment for him.”

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Comment of the day

StefMeister is concerned about marbles:

I still have a concern over the marble build-up were are likely to see with these new Pirellis.

I believe the GP2 cars are running the same compounds as F1 this year and I noticed at Imola over the weekend that there was a huge amount of build-up off the racing line which matches what was seen at all the F1 tests.

By lap ten of the GP2 feature race build-up was noticeable and by laps 15-20 there was enough to hinder the racing & nobody looked to be going off-line even to look at trying to make a pass.

Before the start: http://yfrog.com/nb2011gp2asiaimolarace1avj
After 27 laps: http://yfrog.com/jo2011gp2asiaimolarace1avj

If we see the same thing with F1 then we will may well see overtaking become more difficult after about 20 laps. I think back to Montreal 2006, heavy tyre wear that race and a ton of marbles which had a negative impact on racing after around 20-25 laps. That race ended up been really dull after that.
StefMeister

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112 comments on “Ecclestone still pushing “artificial rain” idea”

  1. Woooo. Only 2 days to go!

  2. Eccelstone still keen on sprinkler idea… “Nurse! He’s out of bed again, and looks like he has forgotten his pills too!”

    1. I can only think of two words if this sprinkler system was to come into F1: Final, Straw.

      1. theRoswellite
        23rd March 2011, 2:49

        …or maybe “all wet”.

      2. Damp squib?

      3. senile dementia?

    2. Well Bernie, actually there is a reason why sprinklers shouldn’t happen, and it’s a huge reason: they would ruin races for some and make races for others. When it’s weather, people can speculate and complain about the weather. When it’s human decision to turn on the sprinklers, then it will be a human decision to destroy a race for some drivers, and the backlash at whoever makes the decision will be just epic. And most likely it will be deserved.

      1. Imagine the backlash if a human decision had led to “rain” coming at the end of Brazil ’08… first outrage that it had been done to “sabotage” Hamilton’s otherwise straightforward run to 5th and the title, then outrage that it had been increased on the final lap, allowing him to repass Glock which, if the rain had stayed at its original intensity, would not have been possible!

      2. Yeah, I agree. Imagine you’ve got a McLaren leading a Ferrari by 5 seconds or so, and the sprinklers come on just as the McLaren’s passed the pit entrance. Meaning that they have to do a whole extra lap before they can change tyres, whereas the Ferrari can pit straight away.

        Even if it wasn’t intentional, there would be uproar. Keith’s shiny new server would probably melt.

        1. That’s ‘Keith’s shiny news servers‘, I’ll have you know.

          That’s right, two. One for all the comments from BasCB and Prisoner Monkeys, and one for everything else.

          1. Ouch, that hurt, oops on the wrong server now!

          2. Hah! I must be just under the threshold to necessitate an extra server myself.

          3. Hahaha!

            If only that could be the COTD.

          4. OmarR-Pepper (@)
            24th March 2011, 18:08

            You forgot Ned Flanders

      3. Maybe the sprinklers can be used to wash away the marbles.

    3. PR Stunt! He knows the idea is messed up, but it gets everyone talking about F1 – which is good when it’s only 2 days before the new season. It will raise interest in the sport like medals before 2009, like shortcuts before 2010. What have you got ‘planned’ for 2012 Bernie? Take F1 to the Olympics?

      1. Exactly. He’s just getting free publicity. Good for him, I say.

    4. If artificial rain comes to F1, it will be its death! I’ will stop watching and supporting it

      1. That would actually make a difference if you stopped watching F1 with all you 200,000,000 million televisions.

      2. I’d be keen to see Keith hold a poll on whether sprinklers are the right way to go.
        I feel it would make a point.

    5. Bernie has clearly demonstrated that mental illness isnt affected by a person’s height.

  3. And I’m still amazed at how young Algusuari is, only 21!

    1. first F1 driver younger than me :(! im oooold!

      1. Yeah, same for me. Although I once complained about this to my dad, who was unsympathetic. “Just wait until the Prime Minister is younger than you, then you’ll know what it’s like to feel old,” he said.

      2. Don’t worry, wait till 3/4 of the grid are younger than you…that’s depressing! And someone will no doubt say that they are older than everyone on the grid!

  4. It’s a mixed feeling definitely about artificial rain but I think it would good in certain cases. If not maybe to clean the track to make it trickier for the drivers.

    1. somerandomguy
      23rd March 2011, 0:17

      No. It would be stupid. Really really silly.

      1. Idiotic, I would say. Why don’t we just toss a coin for pole position?

        Or better yet, the WDC to forego the 20 race hassle?

        1. I agree. I do not understand why Bernie has to publicly announce all the stupid ideas that go through his head. There was a shortcut idea he came up with last year.. and now sprinkler systems. Bernie better retire before he makes a mockery of the sport.

          1. i think we can try one or two races per season with the artificial rain idea, let’s see how that goes and then decide? or test it in free practice and get a feel for it. i’m sure once people see how it works in real they will have a different view on it. we can pick the boring tracks to go wet, like Singapore, Abu dhabi & Bahrain…. at-least it would be entertaining to see rather than the usual procession of cars going around in circles!!

          2. To get F1 in the headlines. Has he actually pushed any further with either his medals or short-cuts ideas? No. They get F1 in the headlines and that is what Bernie is great at, PR..!!

          3. He is also publicly displaying himself as an idiot by coming up with some of these ridiculous ideas. Not all publicity is good publicity.

    2. If anything, artificial rain is *less* artificial than DRS.

      But since DRS has already happened, everyone says, “Let’s wait and see”.

      When artificial rain happens, my guess is that the same gutless response will happen again – because people care more about watching some cars go fast than about sticking to their guns and not tacitly sanctioning something that ****** all over the heart of racing.

      1. At least with the DRS there is potential for it to not be artificial. The implementation is what’s ruined it – standardising the system so that there is no room for innovation.

        You can’t say the same for sprinklers.

        1. True that. At least you could allow movable wings at any time, in which case, fine – though it still galls me that technical things have to be specifically allowed. But at least a spec series is still racing, rather than a reality TV show.

    3. So people are argueing about F1 going green with tiny engines, yet Bernie wants to pump millions of gallons of basically drinking water on every track to make sure the cars spin out more often.

      Uhhh.

      1. What the hell has pumping water on the track got to do with being green? Water can reduce pollution now?

        1. Water is a scarce resource.

          1. It isn’t a scarce resource. Just because it isn’t present in exactly the places it is needed doesn’t make it scarce.

            Pumping it onto a race track is not going to deprive someone of it somewhere else.

            What isn’t green about it is the fact that pumps will need to be used, and unless they are powered by entirely renewable energy sources they will add to the substantial amount of energy F1 already uses.

          2. Water isn’t a scarce resource Rob? May I remind you that the opening and closing races of the 2010 season happened in countries that spend lots of money in desalinating water for public use. You certainly can’t pump sea water onto the track.

            Pumping water onto the track will certainly deprive somebody else of it, unless the water comes from desalination plants powered by renewables as you said. I doubt Bernie would foot the bill for all that.

        2. That’s a pretty stupid question Riise.

  5. I think i speak for us all when I say, Bernie – Just No!

  6. somerandomguy
    23rd March 2011, 0:13

    Great news that F1 is staying in Melbourne until 2015 I really hope it’s true

  7. that’s a very good point about the marbles..the whole nitrous-vaccum gizmos would come to nothing if the drivers are to crash out the second they run off-line..big shot in the foot that would be

  8. regarding the fake rain; is Formula 1 that desperate?

  9. happy birthday tommy and newnham!

    1. Happy birthday! :D

    2. What, I don’t get a mention? ;)

      I actually forgot until I read the round up!
      How sad is that?

      1. Happy birthday to all three of you!

      2. You are there, happy birthday there Cacarella and TommyC and James Newnham (who won a nice Unlap gift set, a bit of a pre-brithday present then!)

        1. It was a nice suprise on sunday after a mildly depressing week. So, yeah, thanks Unlap and everybody here for their birthday wishes.

      3. I actually forgot until I read the round up!

        It’s always good to get in there with breaking news but I’m not sure reminding someone it’s their birthday counts!

        1. But it is a First!

          Maybe the top for “when do you know your a F1Fanatic” – when you go there to find out it’s your birthday :-D

      4. haha i’ve never spoken to you!
        but happy birthday anyway!

    3. Happy Birthday everyone (eh)!

  10. About that GP2 race and the pirellis: how many pitstops did each driver have to make?

    1. HounslowBusGarage
      23rd March 2011, 12:55

      Don’t know, but I was impressed by Stefmeister’s comment. The argument that Marbles Decrease Racing has been made beofre (by me and many others) but rarely has anyone come up with direct observation and visual evidence.
      Marbles are going to be a feature this season, or at least until Pirelli modify their tyre componds. Does a race really need to be ‘spiced up’ by having tryres that degrade so quickly?

  11. I’m mostly against artificial rain but it would spice up Abu Dhabi and Bore-ain if it ever comes back.

  12. Uuuuh McLaren, I think they’ve got this year and next to prove they’ve still got it to Lewis or he’ll leave to drive a Newey car in time for the new regulations.

    That’s an excellent COTD, an very worrying for the season. Still, Redbulls pace might be whats really worrying for the season.

    1. Did you read the Anthony Hamilton interview as well. Pretty solid reading, altough there is nothing really new in it.

    2. and Ferrari isn’t an option. But I read this earlier:

  13. Perhaps I’m placing too much faith in Bernie’s sanity, but I’m fairly sure he knows the ‘sprinkler’ idea is a load of artificial rubbish and is also aware that it will never, ever be implemented.

    He’ll know that ‘false’ propositions like this generate stories, followed by debates, curiosity and interest, with the hope of generating more publicity and ultimately money for the sport.

    I’m not saying I condone these kinds of fabricated propositions, otherwise I wouldn’t have bothered continuing the debate with this comment. What I am saying is that he knows how to do is job and that he’s a lot more intelligent than what many people think.

    But again, I’ll point out the first 9 words of my comment…

  14. “Ecclestone has been squabbling with some Melbourne officials about the future of the race there, and the word from down under was that Ecclestone was instead spending his time chatting with New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg about staging a future race on Staten Island. That, apparently, is news to Staten Island.”

    Ecclestone only comes to Melbourne for the Grand Prix very occasionally. At his age, he doesn’t like making the trip too often. We are, after all, so far around the world from England that if he kept going past Australia, he’d start heading back towards the UK.

    1. Forget rear wings and KERs, here is a new rule I want added:

      ‘If any senior person involved in F1 thinks that missing a Gran Prix doesn’t matter, then the only reasonable conclusion to assume is that they clearly think there are too many Gran Prix’.

      I love the Australian Gran Prix, circuit is great, grand stands and corporate and all already sold out and it’s here where I live.

      BUT for goodness sake, F1 is kind of losing the whole Gran Prix feel and replacing it with a sseries of races. Gran Prix means Grand Prize. And currently it isn’t so much a get together of the best racers in the best cars or atleast something that is practical for that to happen, BUT instead just a series of races.

      A Gran Prix when I look back should be a big thing, a big prize to add to your CV. I don’t really care who won the French GP in whenever or the Bahrain GP in 2009.

      If Bernie Eccelstone thinks that he can easily miss a Gran Prix to talk about getting another one then clearly even he subconciously atleast thinks we have too many.

      ANd I don’t say this as an old person or whatever. I’m 20 bloody hell and when I look back, it was something, but with more and more races, and if I don’t win this race then there is another next weekened, and then 2 weeks later and then a fortnight after that. It just seems to be more of a race series rather than several Gran Prix.

      1. If Bernie Eccelstone thinks that he can easily miss a Gran Prix to talk about getting another one then clearly even he subconciously atleast thinks we have too many.

        But he’s not talking to New York. The entire point of the article in the round-up is to say that initial reports of Ecclestone skipping the Australian Grand Prix to negotiate a race in New York City are untrue because the people of New York know nothing about it. It appears that Bernie has simply not made the pilgrimage to Albert Park again, and peoeple are reading way too much into it.

        1. Then again, would they admit talking about it before having a good package together? I think Bernie would only spoil the race in Australia if he were there.

          He might just get started with sprinklers, clear a path for a shortcut or pull out the gold medals again ;-)

      2. theRoswellite
        23rd March 2011, 3:00

        It is a race series, and, as they come to any given country only once a year, plus the finest drivers in the finest cars…that makes each one pretty special. Don’t let Bernard get your goat, he probably gets his GP decades mixed up.

    2. This would explain why Bernie is so insistent on the Australian GP starting at midnight, it’s so that he doesn’t have to get up early to watch it.

      1. All more to the point. If Bernie can’t be stuffed going to all the races then as the F1 Supremo he should either resign for failling to do his job properly or admit that there are too many races on the calender.

        I hope the Australian GP continues at AP but it needs to be trimmed down not scaled up.

  15. “From outside it may seem that I have taken a step backwards but actually being there in the F1 circuit it is like taking two steps forward.”

    That’s a big slap in the face to HRT, but unless some miracle takes place with regards to HRT’s pace this year, I think he’s right.

  16. There’s so much support?? Really?

    Can anyone name me one person who agrees with Bernie?
    And I mean, ‘agree’ not ‘it doesn’t matter’

    1. sorry had a try, but nobody to be found.

  17. James Conaway
    23rd March 2011, 1:37

    Utterly ridiculous and insulting,,, and thats coming from an American!

  18. surely there was loads of rubber build up at Canada 2010, yet we saw great racing…?

  19. Bernie has been watching too much American TV it seems…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIVtwjdfb2M

    1. haha, funny commercial. I wonder if Bernie would be the one pressing the button for the sprinklers to start

  20. Sometimes even the weather don’t know what our little Bernie wants.

  21. “I think it is very secure. There is a five-year option there that goes either way, and Mr Ecclestone recognises that this is a great city to come to.”

    Here’s a crazy-stupid idea: build a permanent circuit to replace ALbert Park.

    But don’t just build any old circuit – build Mount Panorama.

    Formula 1 cars can’t race on The Mountain. It’s simply not safe enough. But, if the organisers of the Australian Grand Prix could find a patch of land – and there’s some good stuff both east and west of Melbourne – with 200 metres of elevation across it, they could set Hermann Tilke on the job of re-creating Mount Panorama, incorporating the missing elements from the original circuit into it so that it complies with Grade-1 certifications without desecrating the original circuit. I think that would be an acceptable compromise.

    Alternatively, don’t fix what isn’t broken and copy-paste Albert Park somewhere out of the city. But I still like the Bathurst replica idea.

  22. They might as well construct a machine to chuck banana skins into the track at random moments. Along with his idea of shortcuts this is the dumbest idea ever for F1.

  23. Very interesting about marbles. I just hope it wouldn’t hurt race.

    1. Pretty massive build up there. Lets hope the higher temperatures will help with that.

  24. bigbadderboom
    23rd March 2011, 7:00

    I wish Bernie would get off this artificial rain/sprinkler idea. I know he says these things to stimulate debate and get F1 some air time, but he does seem a bit obsessed with this one. Maybe Bernie really does want an F1 circus! He could make the cars have wheels that fall off randomly, or he could make pitstops be performed whilst under custard pie bombardment, perhaps all drivers who make to Q3 would have to race in clowns shoes and the car would have to have a big red nose on the front. Bernie you are finally crossing the border between genius and loony tune!.

  25. I see you have not picked up on the world smashing news that upsets all our season predictions, here comes:

    MarussiaVirginRacing – tweet:

    And a big welcome for Sakon Yamamoto, who is joining us as reserve driver fir the first three rounds of the championship! #f1

    A major signing securing both the team and the popularity of the sport. Now Virgin will certainly be good for the podium this year!

  26. Autosport had a barbecue with Webber and talked with him about the DRS, hooking into what Vettel said the other day.
    It seems the drivers want the DRS shut off altogether during qualifying and limited to the set track piece all from the start of the weekend. Reason being it was meant to be only to set off the problem of running in dirty air. The reasoning is, that with the drivers going all over the track trying where to use the DRS in FP, it might get dangerous.
    They really do have a point there, don’t they?

    1. As it should be, I say. Not just for safety reasons, but because it favours the teams with the best aero, keeping it all about the cars again. Qualifying was so dull last year, let’s not have a repeat.

  27. V“It has now been revealed that there is an ‘out’ clause in Vettel’s deal which would allow him to leave if Red Bull does not deliver him a competitive car.”

    I’m astounded; two pages and not one comment yet about how he was lucky to get such a good car early in his career, but it would be a betrayal of loyalty to a team who made him what he is today in F1, that if the cars are bad he should stop complaining and do something about it…oh wait, it’s not Hamilton we’re talking about, mystery over ;)

    I doubt Vettel will always be at Red Bull, anyway. There will be too much pressure from Ferrari and Mercedes to have him one day. I don’t think it will come down to how good Red bull are in the future.

    You have to wonder if Bernie’s never-ending stream of ridiculous ideas is something to scare the teams with now the Concorde agreement is up for grabs; “take my deal or we’ll have these stupid rules”

  28. More rubbish from Bernie Ecclestone. Perhaps wet races are so exciting as they are few and far between and just have a novelty most races don’t have.

    I wonder if marbles really will be so much of a concern.

    1. I wonder if marbles really will be so much of a concern.

      I think it will be a bigger issue this year than in recent years – but it could go either way.

      What if Driver A gets a run on Driver B, so Driver B moves off-line to cover the inside of the corner, leaving Driver A free to brake on the clean, marble-free line?

      1. Would the track be sufficiently rubbered in for when race day comes to limit marbles?

  29. I was watching the 2006 season review the other day and was shocked by the amount of marbles that built during the races that year, it really did show how Bridgestone and Michelin pushed each other along during the tyre war.

    Drivers still manged to pull off overtakes, so while there will be more marbles this year than the last 3-4, I doubt it’ll be too much of an issue. Canada may be interesting though, that was a race in 2006 were the drivers really struggled off line (MSC struggled to get the car around the hairpin and JV slid off into the wall at turn 7 after running a bit wide if I remember correctly).

  30. JamieFranklinF1
    23rd March 2011, 7:55

    Please, please, please Bernie. No artificial rain! No-one can predict the weather, and that’s why it makes for exciting races sometimes. You can’t just turn on some sprinklers and emulate that. It’s just ridiculous.

    1. Exactly. The unpredictability is what makes it exciting.

      He’s talking out of his backside.

  31. Sprinklers!! the man is a lunatic, it will reduce F1 to even more of a game show, he will have Bruce Forsyth doing the commentary next, mind you the legs on Tess Daly are better than Johnathan Palmers so it won’t be all bad?

  32. Sorry for this being off topic…but I am currently on a college trip in Poland and don’t want to miss the first race of the season. I was wondering if anyone watches F1 on Polish TV and knows which channel it will be on or even if it is on terrestrial television?

    1. Practice: polsat sport extra
      qual % race: polsat (pre qual and race studio on polsat sport)

      1. or you can with the german tv – RTL

  33. What about a let the fans vote at the end of the season for what race gets the sprinkler system the next year, a like wooden spoon type prize for being the most boring race of the season??
    Is it just me or is anyone else having trouble runing F1fanatic on chrome??

    1. its not just you. your not on a mac by any chance are you?

      1. Im not on mac, this last month takes ages loading any page, this is the only website with this problem. It’s the best on Internet explorer, just chrome has the problem

  34. Bernie really has lost his mind with this one. I’ve got an idea, lets have a copper on the start finish line and whenever the race gets a little dull they can chuck a stinger out into the track, that should spice things up :)

    F1 needs a new face, Bernie is really starting to look like an 80 year old Charlie Sheen, if he starts in with the #winning and #tigerblood someone should lock his front door and lose the key.

  35. Best headline I’ve seen regarding Bernie’s plans:

    Bernie Ecclestone won’t give up his wet dream

    http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/76741,people,news,bernie-ecclestone-wont-give-up-his-wet-dream

    1. Pink Pirelli
      24th March 2011, 7:31

      OMG made me laugh, but also feel a little bit sick

  36. For me the ridiculousness of the artificial rain suggestion is that if BE would only make the cars less aero dependent such that running in someone’s dirty air is less of an issue, then we would have more passing (not saying I want tons of passing but I do think it is ridiculous how held up a fast car is by a slow car) and less parade, and there wouldn’t be a need for such unrealistic ‘solutions’.

    Also, we just read MS stating that he hoped we wouldn’t have cars going slowly in order to preserve their tires, the degradation being that potentially much, and what do we get with wet races? Cars going up to 15 seconds per lap slower. Who the hell wants to watch F1 cars crawling around a track, struggling simply to keep it between the ditches?…that can’t truly be your view of good ‘racing’ can it BE? Not likely…BE just wants more unpredictability in F1, without the same usual suspects always at the top race after race…fair enough…so what happened to stability in the rules to allow some lesser teams to catch up? Less aero dependency? Race fans are ‘in’ F1 for the racing…not to see a bunch of purebred cars that have had hundreds of millions of dollars invested in them to put them on the edge, instead being run on the equivalent of black ice…

  37. So… the first two links are to stupid ideas from Bernie.

    Fake rain? Let’s just make F1 unmanned and let the drivers take care of it remotely. I mean, being the best driver shouldn’t be relevant whether or not you’re in great shape. Plus, you can be more aggressive and not have to worry about the safety aspects anymore while increasing the crashes! Everyone wins!!!1

    Staten Island is a stupid place to have a race. Bernie should just give up on having a New York City race. Staten Island clearly has no interest in hosting it so unless he plans on buying them off, it ain’t happening.

  38. leedrummer100 (@)
    23rd March 2011, 14:33

    hi all first post yay!! i love f1 im seldom a happier mammal than when im sat with my also f1 loving Dad on a saturday or sunday, but that said if he pushes this to the point where it happens i dont think i could take it seriously.

    i am a bit of a Bernie hater and if im honest i think f1 would be better of without its rim master……..sorry ringmaster

  39. bernies artificial rain idea!! -the words plot & lost come immediately to mind

  40. Bernie is a master at publicity.

    He will be suggesting a mars gp next…. :-)

    He knows it would be a gimmick too far, which is why he says headline grabbing stuff c

  41. I think the most amusing point is that when we had several rain races in a row, the general feeling I got from here was that people were actually sick of them after 3 or 4.

  42. And The Lord asked Bernie “would you like a brain?” and Bernie replied “no, rain”.
    Perhaps they should also display a tic-tac-toe game on the steering wheel that resets every 20 seconds and the driver that gets the most wins during the race scores bonus points.

  43. Replace water sprinkles with oil to make it more exciting Bernie… It looks great in arcade… Will the sprinkles be viewed at the weather forcast radar? Or Bernie will push the sprinkle button if he does not like who is leading. just a my thoughts. :)

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