Four drivers at risk of not qualifying in Australia

Australian GP FP2 analysis

Vitantonio Liuzzi, HRT, Melbourne, 2011

Vitantonio Liuzzi, HRT, Melbourne, 2011

Virgin are at risk of falling foul of the 107% rule if they cannot find more performance from their car in the Australian Grand Prix.

And HRT could be caught out by the same rule having failed to set a time in either of Friday’s two practice sessions.

The fastest of the two MVR-02s, driven by Jerome d’Ambrosio, was 0.242s slower than 107% of the best lap of the session, a 1’25.854 by Jenson Button.

Virgin may take some encouragement from the fact that Timo Glock was able to set his best time, which almost matched d’Ambrosio’s best, on the tenth lap of a stint, suggesting there is more performance to be found from the car.

However if teams like Red Bull and Ferrari are able to go much faster than McLaren, that could spell trouble for Virgin and HRT.

Longest stint comparison

Compare each driver’s lap times over their longest stint. Use the controls below to show/hide different drivers.

  • Sebastian Vettel did a 20-lap stint in which his times rose from 1’31.0 to 1’31.7. That low rate of degradation, far less than what was observed in testing, could improve further on Sunday with warmer temperatures and more rubber on the track. It looks as though Vettel may be able to complete the race distance on fewer than three pit stops.
  • Team mate Mark Webber didn’t seem to keep his tyres alive quite as well, but he may have been carrying more fuel.
  • Lotus were well off the midfield pace. Mike Gascoyne said on Twitter they were struggling to use the tyres well.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/charts/2011drivercolours.csv

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
Sebastian Vettel 92.788 91.085 91.158 95.733 91.583 92.193 92.022 90.731 90.998 90.939 91.211 90.732 92.038 92.585 91.345 91.247 91.748 91.763 99.836 92.371
Mark Webber 94.077 92.321 91.513 91.228 91.244 91.408 90.952 91.486 92.528 91.723 92.895 92.702 93.689 93.947 94.088 95.317
Lewis Hamilton 99.153 96.157 87.166 92.232 88.998 86.813
Jenson Button 95.004 94.485 94.033 94.079 93.506 93.608
Fernando Alonso 92.037 92.765 95.788 93.122 91.914 91.621 93.299 92.622
Felipe Massa 95.472 94.342 95.181 100.118 101.663 95.094 94.528 94.351 96.181 94.744
Michael Schumacher 93.978 93.54 93.436 95.111 93.455 93.35 93.423 93.206 93.341 93.792
Nico Rosberg 95.918 93.418 95.783 92.911 107.31
Nick Heidfeld 99.583 92.004 96.352 98.212 88.492
Vitaly Petrov 96.025 90.867 88.563 88.578 94.614 88.107
Rubens Barrichello 93.701 95.213 98.185 93.349 92.212 92.765 91.984 92.354 108.519
Pastor Maldonado 94.735 93.582 93.606 93.776 99.615 93.852 94.969 94.348 94.896 94.588 95.172 96.711
Adrian Sutil 94.947 94.191 93.443 93.669 94.317 101.379 95.955 94.202 93.546 93.848 93.803 93.893
Paul di Resta 95.194 94.14 93.517 93.543 93.282 94.281 94.628
Kamui Kobayashi 93.465 92.714 92.878 92.78 92.643 92.837 93.485 93.269 94.189
Sergio Perez 95.008 94.001 93.877 93.146 93.413 93.499 95.377
Sebastien Buemi 87.697 102.332 88.186 91.777 93.855
Jaime Alguersuari 92.527 92.561 92.744 92.55 92.649 92.65 92.89 93.812 93.749
Heikki Kovalainen 97.703 98.71 97.273 104.379 91.541 99.098 92.86
Jarno Trulli 97.439 92.934 96.638 92.489 92.046
Narain Karthikeyan
Vitantonio Liuzzi
Timo Glock 93.04 92.926 94.146 99.041 97.088 93.427 93.06 95.693 95.612 92.135
Jerome d’Ambrosio 105.761 97.322 97.499 94.28 94.026 93.997 93.732 93.803 95.768 96.474 95.052 94.351 93.359 93.719 93.646 94.358 93.847 94.257

Ultimate lap times

An ultimate lap time is a driver’s best three sectors combined.

Car Driver Car Ultimate lap Gap Deficit to best
1 4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1’25.854 0.000
2 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1’25.986 0.132 0.000
3 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’26.001 0.147 0.000
4 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1’26.014 0.160 0.000
5 2 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1’26.283 0.429 0.000
6 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1’26.577 0.723 0.013
7 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1’26.681 0.827 0.108
8 17 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1’27.003 1.149 0.098
9 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1’27.071 1.217 0.377
10 19 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’27.192 1.338 0.333
11 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1’27.280 1.426 0.000
12 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1’27.396 1.542 0.132
13 9 Nick Heidfeld Renault 1’27.517 1.663 0.019
14 18 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’27.602 1.748 0.095
15 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1’28.095 2.241 0.000
16 15 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1’28.376 2.522 0.000
17 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1’28.470 2.616 0.113
18 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1’29.287 3.433 0.099
19 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1’30.821 4.967 0.008
20 21 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 1’30.912 5.058 0.000
21 25 Jerome d’Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1’32.106 6.252 0.000
22 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1’32.135 6.281 0.000

Practice times in full

  • Drivers who set their best times in the last half hour of the session (at 60 minutes or later) may not have been able to use DRS fully as the FIA was testing the ‘race’ mode of the system at that time. This may include Fernando Alonso and Vettel.
  • The two Virgin drivers also set their best times at this point, showing another means by which they might improve their qualifying time.
  • Pastor Maldonado has a lot of ground to make up – he’s been over two seconds per lap slower than Rubens Barrichello in both sessions.
Car Driver Car Best lap Gap Stint lap At time Laps
1 4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1’25.854 3/3 56 32
2 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1’25.986 0.132 1/1 56 31
3 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’26.001 0.147 2/3 60 28
4 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1’26.014 0.160 5/5 62 35
5 2 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1’26.283 0.429 4/4 55 33
6 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1’26.590 0.736 1/1 37 31
7 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1’26.789 0.935 4/4 59 34
8 17 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1’27.101 1.247 6/6 60 39
9 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1’27.280 1.426 1/1 36 34
10 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1’27.448 1.594 3/3 17 23
11 19 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’27.525 1.671 3/3 49 31
12 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1’27.528 1.674 1/1 62 29
13 9 Nick Heidfeld Renault 1’27.536 1.682 2/2 72 22
14 18 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’27.697 1.843 1/5 48 30
15 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1’28.095 2.241 3/3 53 35
16 15 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1’28.376 2.522 3/3 58 33
17 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1’28.583 2.729 1/1 60 31
18 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1’29.386 3.532 1/1 28 29
19 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1’30.829 4.975 3/6 77 22
20 21 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 1’30.912 5.058 3/4 80 23
21 25 Jerome d’Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1’32.106 6.252 1/2 91 36
22 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1’32.135 6.281 10/10 93 30

2011 Australian Grand Prix


Browse all 2011 Australian Grand Prix articles

Image ?? Motioncompany

Advert | Go Ad-free

113 comments on Four drivers at risk of not qualifying in Australia

1 2 3
  1. letmeshowyou (@letmeshowyou) said on 25th March 2011, 8:59

    ‘It looks as though Vettel may be able to complete the race distance on fewer than three pit stops.’

    *blinks* I really hope not…

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 25th March 2011, 9:11

      Don’t assume the championship is over simply because Vettel needs one less stop. He might be able to get away with two, but we have no idea what condition his final set of tyres will be in. It could well be that the others pit for a third set while Vettel is steadily losing grip and they catch him. Nor do we know which tyres Vettel will have in reserve. What if he can do two stops, but is forced to do an extended stint on softs because they’re the only set he has left?

      And conditions in Malaysia will be totally opposite to Melbourne: high heat, high humidity. The degradation will change.

      It’s only the end of FP2. There is still a lot to play for.

      • James (@jamesf1) said on 25th March 2011, 10:18

        Reports suggest that after Vettel’s stints his tyres were in a horrendous state. Horner was quick to downplay it, saying debris on the track caused it. We’ll wait and see.

        • dennis (@dennis) said on 25th March 2011, 11:23

          If he was still doing 1:31.7’s with tyres in a “horrendous” state, then the Red Bull must be hovering above the road.

          • Zecks (@zecks) said on 25th March 2011, 18:37

            all this tells me is that Pirelli have already bottled it and gone for indestuctable tires just like bridgestone did

          • US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 25th March 2011, 22:18

            all this tells me is that Pirelli have already bottled it and gone for indestuctable tires just like bridgestone did

            I was thinking the same thing. It would appear these are not the same tires the teams had in testing, hence their surprise.

  2. bleeps_and_tweaks said on 25th March 2011, 9:06

    The Lotus looked “lively” to say the least, so it would make sense they couldn’t get the tyres working.
    That is some serious consistency from Vettel though, and don’t remember seeing a single stint in winter testing that had that little time differential. If it heats up on Sunday it could well be a two stopper.

  3. BasCB (@bascb) said on 25th March 2011, 9:07

    Well there go the “4 stops or more” frights it seems. Might be 2 or 3 stops depending on strategy, wear and circumstances for individual drivers.

    And the track will rubber in a bit more before the race.

    As for Virgin. What have they been up to in the last half a year? Sure, they probably redid the gearbox, improved the hydraulics and rechecked the numbers to be reliable. But it won’t help them much to be able to run to the end if your 4 laps off by the end of the race and even less if they do not even qualify.

    Glock saying they will have a big package only for Turkey … oh my.

  4. Enigma (@enigma) said on 25th March 2011, 9:08

    Looks like Sauber might be even quicker, as the time was set on the 6th lap. And also, Glock had an impressive stint – the lap time didn’t drop over ten laps, not sure what he was doing but it looks good. I think Glock and D’Ambrossio will make it to the race.

  5. I said this in the other post but now there’s a proper post for it I’ll put it here.

    For me the 107% rule is stupid. The money it costs to get everything to Australia and then the team doesnt race is stupid. F1 is supposed to be cutting costs so the teams should get I’m as much racing as they can for their money.

    • Pink Pirelli said on 25th March 2011, 9:27

      I agree. I’d rather see backmarkers out there going a bit slower than see the expense of getting all the equipment here wasted if the cars just sit in the garage.

    • Tiomkin said on 25th March 2011, 9:46

      Agreed 107%. The is rule is designed to rob fans of seeing cars on the track. Combined with restricted testing, this rule ensured the death of teams at the rear of the pack.

    • Don Mateo said on 25th March 2011, 9:55

      +1. Also, what with the lack of testing, teams need all the track time they can get over a race weekend to develop their cars. If the small teams can’t qualify for the race then that’s less track time for them and that’s not going to help the gap decrease.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 25th March 2011, 10:02

        I am with you all as well. It does not serve any purpose at all, except to smoke out backmarker teams and save Bernie some money in the end, that is besides getting the horse whisperer happy.

        • It’s not good for the backmarkers and the fans… good for bernie only. :(

        • Mr draw said on 25th March 2011, 10:22

          No, the 107%-rule is cool. We have to get rid of all those uncompetitive cars as soon as possible. Nobody benefits of having four additional backmarkers. Teams like hrt are bad for the image of F1, as they are even too bad for GP2.

          • Klon (@klon) said on 25th March 2011, 10:45

            Following that logic Williams, Lotus, Sauber, Force India, STR, and Renault (perhaps McLaren and Mercedes as well) should be removed from the sport as well, since they are uncompetitive as well and won’t fight for wins either unless something goes wrong at Ferrari/Red Bull.

            I hope you see the problem with your logic there yourself.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 25th March 2011, 12:27

            There’s a world of difference between the teams you just mentioned, and HRT, Klon.

          • Mike said on 25th March 2011, 13:10

            There is also a world of difference between GP2 and the HRT, namely the GP2 car won’t touch it… So lay off with that one all right?

            107% Is nothing but an annoyance, and only goes to reduce my interest.

          • Todfod (@todfod) said on 25th March 2011, 13:25

            The fact that no team during the last season would have qualified outside the 107% rule, shows just how lenient the rule is. Maybe if HRT made it to some pre season tests… or even tested today like every other team on the grid did, the they wouldn’t find themselves in this much trouble. HRT treats F1 as a joke, and the 107% rule is a good way to make sure the take the sport seriously enough.

          • Andy C said on 25th March 2011, 15:33

            So if someone crashes a Ferrari in Monaco for instance, and doesnt make the time, maybe we should throw them out too. Oh no, there will be an exclusion for that ;-)

            F1 has always had backmarkers. Its part of the sport.

            Teams like McLaren and Williams struggled at at the beginning of their careers.

            It doesnt necessarily fit that a backmarker team would be the joke of F1 in two years time.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 25th March 2011, 18:31

            Mike, no-one is comparing HRT and GP2 cars. The fact you need to do so to defend HRT’s performance signals how poor they appear to be. They’ve actually taken noticeable steps backwards since last year (when they would have made the 107%), which is worrying.

            Slower teams ought to be given some opportunity to test during the season, really.

          • Mike said on 25th March 2011, 21:17

            You will find Mr draw did compare them David.

            They haven’t so much as gone backwards, as the other teams have gone forwards.

            I can’t see how teams like Ferrari would allow the in season testing for slower teams.
            But if they did, I think it would be fantastic.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 25th March 2011, 21:58

            Oh darn, he did compare them! :P

            I guess Ferrari wouldn’t like it if the backmarkers got more testing than them during the season, though they have wanted the testing ban lifted themselves.

    • vjanik said on 25th March 2011, 10:06

      “F1 is supposed to be cutting costs so the teams should get I’m as much racing as they can for their money.”
      ———————————

      F1 is supposed to be the best teams and drivers competing for the top prize. its not cheap and the competition is great. a team that cannot be within 107% should not be there.

      the rule is not stupid. without having a minimum performance threshhold, people will be joining F1 for purely for participation reasons and not to be successful. we dont want that so we force the new toeams to improve or leave.

      i dont understand why people feel so sorry for the new teams.

      if Virgin are serious, then Richard Branson will keep the budget that they have for 2011 despite them not qualifying for to some races. it shouldnt mean the end for the team. it should be a long-term goal.

      the bottom line is a team has to earn their spot in f1. and the FIA selection process is so flawed that we do need a rule like 107% to maintain that.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 25th March 2011, 10:15

        Ehm, why not allow them to race?

        First of all, the team has to convince the FIA to get a spot (or buy out an existing outfit). That means they do have some ideas and backing. If getting it right to win takes years and the team can cope with it and has backers, let them have a chance.
        It takes time but they will learn with time, but only if they are allowed to actually use the cars. Something that the 107% rule denies them. And they cant even go testing instead.

        As for the safety aspect of it. A good part of the original rule was about hopeless drivers. But the drivers have to get their superlicences together nowadays, one of the improvements over the all out hopeless pay drivers of old. This means even a Yamamoto and a Karthikeyan or a Senna have to be at least solid drivers who know how to turn a wheel, before they even get close to the GP weekend.

        • vjanik said on 25th March 2011, 10:23

          we dont have any new teams this year.

          Lotus, Virgin and HRT had their first year without the 107% rule. so they were given a chance to race the full season regardless of their pace.

          in their second year they should be a little bit closer to the rest of the field. Team Lotus is an example. they shouldnt have a problem with the rule and fully deserve to be in F1.

          HRT has less running before the first race than last year. so they actually went backwards.

          I agree with you that teams should get a fair chance. and i think they got it. but you have to draw the line somewhere. you could argue that the rule should not be 107% but 129% but i still think there should be something like this in place.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 25th March 2011, 10:34

            Every time is just arbitrary and nonsense. If a team tries something new (and they did) to improve, its their choice. And it shows they want to get forward as well.

            Had they saved the money to do so for lack of ambition and just adjusted the old car, they would have been ready months ago. Its not as if they had a big optimized DDD to remove and their weight was over limit anyhow.

            I like having them there. They might get new drivers a chance, or engineers or designers to try something new. Who knows in 6 years we will be all talking about Tonios race engineer (as an example) as a revelation who grew up from a humble HRT background to achieve.

      • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 25th March 2011, 10:18

        a team that cannot be within 107% should not be there.

        Why 107% and not 106%? Why not 105% or 104%?

        The rule is arbitrary nonsense. If a team doesn’t belong in F1 they’ll drop out anyway because they won’t be able to get the money together.

        But while they’re footing the enormous costs of competing in F1 it makes no sense to chuck them out on a Saturday afternoon for no good reason, depriving them of valuable testing time, exposure and income.

        There is no safety argument. This is F1 cutting its nose to spits its face.

        • Mr draw said on 25th March 2011, 10:44

          There is a safety-argument. The more cars on the track, the larger the chance of an accident. Please don’t forget that being 7 percent slower means you’ll be lapped every 14 laps. This may lead to unwanted situations like Webber’s crash in Valencia (although he was fighting for a position, but he was surprised by the huge speed-difference) and for example Alonso losing his second place to Button in Canada. So I would say that the “costs” of having these teams participating outweigh the “benefits”. Of course the rule is somewhat arbitrary, but in my opinion, it’s better than nothing.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 25th March 2011, 10:47

            As I explained in the article I linked to above, the safety argument isn’t very convincing:

            The slowest qualifier for last year’s Le Mans 24 Hours was 29% slower than the pole sitter.

            The Circuit de la Sarthe is narrower than most F1 circuits and they race at night – so I’m not buying any claim that F1 drivers can’t cope with lapping cars that are 7% slower than them.

            Why F1 doesn’t need the 107% rule

          • Klon (@klon) said on 25th March 2011, 10:47

            Makes you wonder, though, why Le Mans drivers don’t die like it’s Verdun 2.0. I mean you have cars there going at times of 125 % of the leading pace.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 25th March 2011, 10:51

            If safety would be a concern, then what about testing and practice, where everyone is on track with different fuel loads and tyres. Testing new bits, possibly risky, and finding the absolute limit?

            Just nonsense or it should be against driving around on more used tyres in the race. Not to mention the differences we had with different fuel loads during races.

          • dennis (@dennis) said on 25th March 2011, 11:35

            I have seen races at the Nurburgring, where 3 Porsche GT3’s, a Viper and an M3 GTR were fighting for position, whilst overtaking an old Mini and an Opel Corsa (Vauxhaull Cavalier for the brits on here) on the longest straight of the northern loop.
            Those were top end differences of over 70 mph, if not more in the slipstream. And that at night, on the northern loop.

            This is a ridicolous rule. Lapping cars is part of a race. Especially when you’re not in a 20 lap sprint. The smoother a driver gets through traffic, the better.

            If a team manages to build a complete pub, and couldn’t even compete in F3 with it, yes… They shouldn’t race. But 107 % is – as Keith said – just a random, made up number, that serves no purpose other than giving those “slow” teams a chance to actually collect date to improve their cars.

        • It’s 107% because it worked last time for avoiding mockeries of the system and reducing the risk of faster cars tripping over them (as opposed to merely lapping them) while still having space for a variety of abilities on the grid. Nothing more, nothing less.

          My preferred way of doing this would be to compare the F1 to GP2 (where it’s available). Any F1 car lapping slower than a GP2 car in qualifying without good reason would be asked to swap (the GP2 car would automatically score one point more than for a GP2 win to ensure it’s not disadvantaged in its championship). The GP2 team would get a taste of F1’s skill level at no extra cost, the F1 team would be in a place suited to its speed at that point (also at no extra cost) and grids stay full and competitive.

          • Dan E said on 26th March 2011, 4:49

            GP2 Cars wouldn’t comply with F1’s technical regulations and an F1 car would have the same problem going to GP2.

            Very different engine and Aero regs for starters…

        • It’s arbitrary – but this is F1, not the law. Nearly everything in F1 is arbitrary, from the dimensions to the weight and so on.

          Picking on one rule for that reason undermines your argument in a sport with a fast changing regulatory environment such as F1, plenty of things are arbitrary. If they don’t work as planned, they will be tweaked at an appropriate point.

      • Bentschke said on 25th March 2011, 10:21

        I completely agree. I cant believe that Bernie and the HRT sponsors put up with the fact that HRT have not even put a car on the track yet – that is ludicrous. The ‘pinnacle’ of motor sport – and it contains teams that can only put 1 car out for 1 installation lap in 3 hours of practise.
        I think the 107% rule is fair and should stay – either HRT treat F1 with respect or they can go home (and wait for customs to clear their stuff)…

        • If HRT had unlimited opportunity to test and develop the car throughout the season then the rule is fair enough – they aren’t fast enough at the start then they make sure they bring it up to speed as soon as possible.

          As it is, what chance have they got to seriously improve the car? The other teams will be getting faster too, and the only lack of respect is from the regulators effectively condemning the team to never be able to qualify for a race.

          It does more harm to the sport’s image for people to see those making the rules actively hindering a strugling competitor to pander to the big teams.

          • vjanik said on 25th March 2011, 13:38

            as i said before they had the whole season of 2010 where they did not have to worry about the 107% rule. they are no longer new teams.

            i agree that introducing the 107% rule for safety reasons does not make sense, but I still believe we should have a rule of this type. Not because of safety, but just to maintain the quality of the comeptition. how many years should we wait until Virgin and HRT match the slowest team of the grid? 3? 4? 10? (not even talking about winning races – which is the whole point of participating in the sport)

            i do not think that the grid in 2009 was too small. of course the more cars the better, but not at any cost.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 25th March 2011, 13:54

            how many years should we wait until Virgin and HRT match the slowest team of the grid? 3? 4? 10?

            At the moment, as long as it takes. Consider that before last year’s three new teams (who came in in unusual circumstances) we had only had two proper new teams arrive in F1 in a decade – and neither of them are still here.

            Until it becomes economically viable for new teams to raise money and enter F1 and replace teams that are dropping out, hastening their demise with unnecessary rules like this is a dreadful idea.

            Furthermore I think the idea that the teams at the back of the grid are doing any real harm to F1 is vastly overstated.

          • My argument is not to do with ‘new’ teams; it is that you cannot have a rule removing teams from races alongside rules which effectively prevent them from being able to raise funds through sponsorship (because the team gets no television coverage due to being unable to race), or test and develop their car, and are therefore unable to avoid contravening the former rule.

            It just makes the sport look like it hasn’t got a clue what it wants or how to achieve it.

            Either have the 107% rule and allow customer cars or in season testing, or remove the 107% rule. If these were options available to HRT then nobody should have any sympathy if they cannot qualify for a race.

          • Andy C said on 25th March 2011, 15:41

            Exactly Rob.

            The point was for quite a lot of the off season, they were discussing with Toyota using an updated version of the unused toyota challenger. The finances were clearly not paid and they had to go back to the drawing board.

            So they have done exactly what lotus struggled to do in their Yr1, put a car together as quickly as possible.

        • Andy C said on 25th March 2011, 15:37

          Have you any idea what is involved in putting together an F1 car, and team from scratch?

          This isnt buy chassis off the shelf racing.

          I’ve been watching F1 for about 25 years, and there have been worse backmarkers than HRT.

          I’d love to see their car be decent and make it into.

          • vjanik said on 25th March 2011, 15:53

            the argument that the lack of testing is the reason for HRTs problems is ridiculous.

            they didnt even take advantage of pre-season testing! they didnt even run a single Km. so letting them test in-season is not the solution.

            their problem is a lack of money.

            they had an entire season to get sponsors and still have none.

            what else do they want?

          • Quite – previous backmarkers have had cars that were unable to remain in one piece for an entire race, or were potentially lethal for the drivers. A read through f1rejects.com is enough to see some relative horror stories.

            vjanik – ‘having a whole season to get sponsors’ is irrelevant; most teams change various sponsors year-on-year (the title sponsors and manufacturing partners are different), and if nobody is biting what are HRT supposed to do? Give space away for free?

            They did not take advantage of pre-season testing because they did not have a car to test! They have a car now – if you look closely at the end of FP2 you could even see it moving (although maybe Liuzzi had his feet through the bottom powering it Flinstones-style) – in time for the first race, which is what their contractual obligation was.

            Whatever your personal beef is with HRT, the 107% rule is not really related to it.

    • Ben Curly said on 25th March 2011, 10:16

      You’re right. It’s a completely unnecessary rule and with limited testing it’s ridiculously unfair. If the team is not allowed to race, they should at least get one additional day of practice, so they can work on their problems.

      With current regulations Virgin and HRT might not only be at risk of not qualifying, but also at risk of dropping out of the sport.

    • Toro Stevo (@toro-stevo) said on 25th March 2011, 11:33

      I’ll join the chorus of agreement.

      I don’t mind if they evaluate a team’s entry at season’s end, factoring in the 107% rule. But to rob them of what little money they can get when they can’t make the cut in modern F1 is just cruel.

      • to be honest. how many accidents are there with backmarkers?? 1 freak one last year with webber and massa clipping his font wing on a hispania in spain. if bacmarkers really were unsafe then there would be many more accidents. think about it. the world best overtaking move wouldny have been so good without a backmarker

        • Andy C said on 25th March 2011, 15:42

          Great point…

          Vettel managed to drive into Button at Spa, and there were other incidents of top drivers doing the same.

    • John H said on 25th March 2011, 13:16

      If it was something like 110% this might be better… but I agree that there should be a limit.

    • US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 25th March 2011, 22:48

      It’s also a huge deterrent to any future potential F1 teams. Would you invest the kind of money it takes to start a team from scratch, with no guarantee you’d even be allowed to race? I know I wouldn’t. Let’s not forget that all of last years new teams entered the sport without that rule on the books. Would they have invested in F1 had that rule been in place? Doubtful. In fact the 107% rule may have been a big reason that there haven’t been more new teams in the past two decades. The 107% rule was on the books from 1996-2002, and in that time there were only 3 new teams started from scratch, one was Lola who failed to qualify and quit after 1 non-race, one was Toyota who had Toyota money backing them, and the last was Stewart, who grew out of a successful Formula 3000 team. And even they had in season testing. Now you have no in season testing, and yet still expect teams to be on pace instantly. Absolutely ridiculous.

  6. Cyclops_PL (@cyclops_pl) said on 25th March 2011, 9:24

    ” Lotus were well off the midfield pace. Mike Gascoyne said on Twitter they were struggling to use the tyres well. ”

    Aggressive marketing BS is one thing, performance and realistic chances of achieving overambitious goals is another. I was talking about it for several months – Lotus WERE NOT able to catch up with midfield this year. Further through the season the gap will increase.

    • Tombong said on 25th March 2011, 11:04

      Agree. i remember they were so bullish about the prospect of their battle against Williams in 2011, now look where are they now?!

      ps : eat that Tony “The good will always win” Fernandes

  7. Michel S. (@hircus) said on 25th March 2011, 9:38

    Peter Sauber, ever the talent spotter, picked the faster and more deserving Latin American rookie :)

  8. verstappen said on 25th March 2011, 9:44

    The longest stint comparison is nice! Although you don’t know exactly what’s going on in terms of fuel loads, DRS, KERS, tyres and such, it does provide some insight.

    That, and it’s a great toy!
    *Oh look at Kobayashi compared to Massa, he’s faster on only one lap less fuell*

  9. wasiF1 (@wasif1) said on 25th March 2011, 9:54

    HRT was on track probably to search for the missing damper which was drop on the track from Spain using a missile.

  10. wasiF1 said on 25th March 2011, 10:20

    Formula 1 drivers will now be banned from using the moveable rear wing when track conditions are wet in practice and qualifying.

  11. Tango (@tango) said on 25th March 2011, 10:57

    This “stint lap” column is grate! love the new choices, makes for great reading and interpretation. Thanks Keith

  12. Jeff said on 25th March 2011, 11:31

    I don’t know why but I find humor in the fact that Virgin have forgone a wind tunnel and area really suffering because of it….

  13. James Williams said on 25th March 2011, 11:58

    Four drivers that aren’t noticeable in the race anyway. Don’t need them!

  14. matt said on 25th March 2011, 12:07

    So the time to qualify not supposed be not slower than Jason Batton (1’25,854) then 6,00978 secundes.

    • F1Lover (@f1lover) said on 25th March 2011, 14:12

      No Matt,
      That will be in the time set in Q1(first session of qualifying) and at that session the top teams rarely use the soft tyre. So the smaller teams can use theirs to try make up time.

  15. Dutch_Alex said on 25th March 2011, 12:38

    A question for the people that came here a couple years ago:
    Where there always people crying about how Minardi and Jordan didn’t deserver a spot in the sport because they had absolutely no chance of winning and were trailing the pack?

    I think people are spoiled because the racing is so close since 2009.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 25th March 2011, 13:21

      No, they weren’t complaining about it. Largely because those teams had been around for some time. Jordan was, at one point, a championship contender, if only very breifly, and they had a real sense of humour (particularly in the time of the snake designs and their tobacco rebranding, such as renamed Benson & Hedges to Bitten & Hisses).

      Minardi, on the other hand, had been in the sport for over twenty years, and they had a lot of respect inside the paddock and out. It was just an established part of racing that they were there and they were usually last. They also developed a reputation as a finder of new talent; a lot of drivers got their start with Minardi, including Fisichella, Alonso, Davidson and Webber. Of course, they also had the likes of Yoong, Kiesa, Baumgartner and Mazzacane, but they were older than most of the other teams at the time and deserving of respect. They survived when they probably shouldn’t have. Giancarlo Minardi was a man who truly did love the sport and happily threw millions of dollars at it every year, even if the team only scored 38 points in over two decades of racing.

      • Andy C said on 25th March 2011, 15:46

        Good point PM.

        Those teams got their respectability after some time in the sport and thats my point.

        I think those expecting HRT or Lotus or Virgin to come into F1, with no real infrastructure and suddenly get within 2-3 seconds of the leaders are living in cloud cuckoo land.

    • The only year Jordan would have struggled with the 107% rule was in 2005 when they were known to be in an unusual amount of short-term turmoil. Even then it was only Monaco that the percentage was outright exceeded (by a whopping 3 percentage points, as it happened – disqualifying them from that race would probably have been an act of mercy, and I was supporting them…)

      Minardi struggled with it more often, but even they tended to break it occasionally rather than frequently (at least since 1996 – gaps were usually larger before the original 107% regulation came into force).

      The indications are that Virgin, at least, will be struggling to meet the requirements for at least six races, and quite likely all season. At this point I’m not sure any percentage would save Hispania from itself.

1 2 3

Add your comment

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

All comments must abide by the comment policy. Comments may be moderated.
Want to post off-topic? Head to the forum.
See the FAQ for more information.