Vettel still has race stint advantage over Webber

2011 Chinese GP FP2 analysis

Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Shanghai, 2011

Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Shanghai, 2011

The second practice session showed Sebastian Vettel is still able to run longer and faster in a race stint than team mate Mark Webber – and pretty much everyone else.

The Ferrari of Felipe Massa showed good race stint performance while team mate Fernando Alonso was delayed by a technical problem. But the red cars still seem to lack qualifying performance.

Here’s all the data from the second practice session.

Longest stint comparison

This chart shows the drivers’ lap times in their longest individual stint. Use the controls below to show/hide different drivers.

  • Vettel’s 17-lap stint in the high 1’43s and low 1’44s looks by far the strongest
  • Vettel’s later stint on soft tyres is not shown on this chart. He lapped in the 1’43s to begin with and dipped into the 1’42s over eight laps
  • Webber’s later stint was closer to Vettel’s pace
  • Massa did a shorter but competitive-looking run, albeit with a couple of spikes possibly due to traffic
  • Jenson Button’s stint at the end of the session was around one second per lap off Vettel’s pace
  • Nick Heidfeld’s stint compared favourable with Button’s as well

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/charts/2011drivercolours.csv

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
Sebastian Vettel 104.959 104.194 103.753 104.687 104.493 104.462 104.231 104.16 104.186 103.956 104.062 103.795 103.837 103.297 104.006 104.084 103.824
Mark Webber 106.433 105.802 105.33 105.024 105.051 104.694 104.775 104.633 104.425 104.732 104.726 105.179 105.329
Lewis Hamilton 105.737 105.41 105.07 105.712 105.867 105.516
Jenson Button 105.115 104.702 104.641 104.797 104.408 104.161 105.526 104.676
Fernando Alonso 101.512 101.043 105.697 100.258
Felipe Massa 103.971 103.202 106.933 103.822 103.498 103.726 109.671 103.814 104.082 108.164
Michael Schumacher 104.592 104.888 104.875 105.232 105.432 104.998 104.914 105.042 105.461 105.12 105.835 105.179
Nico Rosberg 109.608 104.53 104.707 104.561 104.544 104.73 104.879 104.833 104.974 105.421 105.968
Nick Heidfeld 104.759 104.444 104.361 104.461 104.927 104.849
Vitaly Petrov 105.796 105.563 105.35 105.501 106.413 104.666 105.051 106.274
Rubens Barrichello 105.35 104.827 105.002 106.139 107.71 104.816 109.869 105.276 105.287 105.526 108.481 107.012 107.592
Pastor Maldonado 106.33 105.698 105.384 105.183 107.623 105.008 106.062 105.627 105.849 105.866 106.495 107.014 109.057
Adrian Sutil 105.123 104.751 104.718 104.855 104.694 104.709 104.56 104.786
Paul di Resta
Kamui Kobayashi 104.702 104.508 104.676 104.359 104.585 105.084 104.739 104.618
Sergio Perez 106.062 105.88 106.493 106.421 106.233 105.837 106.013 106.596 109.197 109.414
Sebastien Buemi 103.655 106.538 102.069 102.27 104.077 101.76
Jaime Alguersuari 105.578 105.863 105.544 106.514 105.938 105.408 105.795
Heikki Kovalainen 106.578 106.795 106.1 106.929 105.979 106.372 106.675 107.385
Jarno Trulli 106.18 105.521 105.861 105.845 106.173 106.18 107.932 105.561
Narain Karthikeyan 107.511 107.082 107.232 108.624 108.249 108.464 107.06 108.751 107.301
Vitantonio Liuzzi 103.85
Timo Glock 106.461 105.664 105.207 104.953
Jerome d’Ambrosio 108.309 106.427 106.071 106.955 106.503 105.498 105.508 105.245 105.432 105.233 105.12 105.045 105.691 105.577 105.534 105.74 106.267 106.031

Ultimate lap times

An ultimate lap is a driver’s best three sector times combined.

Car Driver Car Ultimate lap Gap Deficit to best
1 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1’37.623 0.065
2 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1’37.854 0.231 0.000
3 4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1’37.870 0.247 0.065
4 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1’37.943 0.320 0.000
5 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1’38.105 0.482 0.000
6 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1’38.472 0.849 0.035
7 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1’38.688 1.065 0.171
8 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1’38.735 1.112 0.000
9 9 Nick Heidfeld Renault 1’38.805 1.182 0.000
10 2 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1’39.182 1.559 0.145
11 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1’39.508 1.885 0.030
12 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’39.590 1.967 0.189
13 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1’39.655 2.032 0.012
14 18 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’39.771 2.148 0.000
15 19 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’39.801 2.178 0.027
16 17 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1’39.819 2.196 0.134
17 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1’39.906 2.283 0.019
18 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1’40.476 2.853 0.000
19 21 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 1’41.344 3.721 0.138
20 22 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1’42.887 5.264 0.015
21 25 Jerome d’Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1’43.753 6.130 0.255
22 23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 1’43.850 6.227 0.000
23 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1’44.697 7.074 0.050

Complete practice times

  • The fastest lap was 1.4 seconds slower than the quickest time from Friday last year – not as large a gap as there was in Malaysia
  • Timo Glock’s Virgin was outside the theoretical 107% time by 0.2s. But he had car trouble and the front runners are unlikely to use soft tyres in Q1
  • Ferrari’s single-lap performance is still a weakness
  • It’s early days but Mercedes appear to be in better shape following their problems in the first two races
  • Perhaps significantly, both HRTs were faster than both Virgins
Car Driver Car Best lap Gap Stint lap At time Laps
1 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1’37.688 3/3 65 34
2 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1’37.854 0.166 1/1 61 22
3 4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1’37.935 0.247 1/3 62 31
4 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1’37.943 0.255 1/1 39 34
5 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1’38.105 0.417 1/1 57 29
6 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1’38.507 0.819 1/3 32 36
7 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1’38.735 1.047 1/3 62 35
8 9 Nick Heidfeld Renault 1’38.805 1.117 2/2 68 25
9 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1’38.859 1.171 3/3 65 31
10 2 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1’39.327 1.639 1/2 54 33
11 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1’39.538 1.850 1/2 55 33
12 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1’39.667 1.979 1/3 22 37
13 18 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’39.771 2.083 1/3 45 18
14 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’39.779 2.091 1/3 35 17
15 19 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’39.828 2.140 1/3 41 25
16 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1’39.925 2.237 1/3 48 32
17 17 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1’39.953 2.265 1/3 52 30
18 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1’40.476 2.788 2/3 59 30
19 21 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 1’41.482 3.794 3/3 63 32
20 22 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1’42.902 5.214 1/3 45 25
21 23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 1’43.850 6.162 1/1 91 3
22 25 Jerome d’Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1’44.008 6.320 2/4 88 35
23 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1’44.747 7.059 3/3 34 12
24 15 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes No time 0

Maximum speeds

  • With the Kinetic Energy Recovery System and Drag Reduction System, the cars are faster on the long straight than they were in last year’s race, where Lewis Hamilton hit a maximum of 318kph (197.59mph)
  • Sebastien Buemi was by far the fastest, hitting 324kph (201.32mph)
# Driver Car Engine Speed Gap
1 18 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso Ferrari 324.9
2 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault Renault 319.3 5.6
3 9 Nick Heidfeld Renault Renault 319.1 5.8
4 14 Adrian Sutil Force India Mercedes 318.3 6.6
5 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes Mercedes 317.4 7.5
6 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari Ferrari 316.5 8.4
7 19 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso Ferrari 315.8 9.1
8 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Renault 315.8 9.1
9 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Renault 315.7 9.2
10 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari Ferrari 314.5 10.4
11 4 Jenson Button McLaren Mercedes 314.5 10.4
12 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes Mercedes 314 10.9
13 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber Ferrari 314 10.9
14 17 Sergio Perez Sauber Ferrari 313.8 11.1
15 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren Mercedes 312.8 12.1
16 25 Jerome d’Ambrosio Virgin Cosworth 312.2 12.7
17 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus Renault 312.2 12.7
18 21 Jarno Trulli Lotus Renault 311.5 13.4
19 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams Cosworth 308.3 16.6
20 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams Cosworth 308 16.9
21 22 Narain Karthikeyan HRT Cosworth 307.4 17.5
22 23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT Cosworth 307.2 17.7
23 24 Timo Glock Virgin Cosworth 306.3 18.6

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79 comments on Vettel still has race stint advantage over Webber

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  1. BasCB (@bascb) said on 15th April 2011, 9:55

    A brave man to bet against Vettel being the man to beat this weekend, again.

  2. MacLeod said on 15th April 2011, 9:56

    Those with high speeds are really going to overtake folks on the straight. In combination of some Wet stuf i think we can rate this race high.

    • I would think that the ones at the sharp end of it (Like Buemi) will dial in some more downforce – it doesn’t make sense to be that much quicker than the main runners down the straight – they can almost certainly trade some of that off for better average pace around the whole lap.

      I was, however, expecting the McLarens to be quicker than that down the straight the Merc engine has a lot of shove… Perhaps they are running a lot of wing…

      • Movement (@movement) said on 15th April 2011, 14:15

        you’d certainly hope so, otherwise they’re going to struggle to get decent overtaking opportunities. They did say that in Malaysia they were running slightly steeper wings than usual to try and make up downforce, so maybe they’re going for the same…I mean, last year Hamilton managed 318kph, so to have managed less this year with kers back (and DRS instead of F-duct) must tell you quite alot!

        The Cosworth engines are so far down on speed, that is very surprising!

  3. Philonso (@philonso) said on 15th April 2011, 10:08

    the teams are wrong on straight speed list

  4. Todfod (@todfod) said on 15th April 2011, 10:12

    I’m hoping that it rains during the race on Sunday. We are two races down, and yet there hasn’t been a fight for the top step of the podium.

    • NDINYO said on 15th April 2011, 12:50

      that is worrying – there have been too many runaway seasons lately (read Button’s 2009 and now 2011 looks like it will be another). The cycling season is starting to look very interesting compared to F1.

  5. Coxy said on 15th April 2011, 10:19

    Great stats as always thanks!

  6. Bill L said on 15th April 2011, 10:20

    Hey Keith. Spent some time sitting at the final two corners at the start of P3. Could be an extra bit of analysis to see who was using drs for whole lap (in this case run from hairpin to final corner) vs who wasn’t. I figured the guys doing race stints weren’t using it but couldn’t be sure. I know that when I was watching red bull weren’t, mclaren weren’t, ferrari weren’t but then were, and Mercedes were using it. Pretty cool thing about being at the tracks is seeing the drs live.

    • Adam Tate (@adam-tate) said on 15th April 2011, 20:15

      Could that be the reason for Mercedes improved pace?

      If they were using it during their stints it would make them significantly faster than they will be without it during the race.

  7. Lord Ha Ha said on 15th April 2011, 10:25

    Vettel’s KERS worked, Webber’s didn’t.

    • F1iLike said on 15th April 2011, 11:05

      Webber is too old to understand! “This PS2 controller I bloody don’t want can’t be expecting a pony ride this with seb hopping up front bloody well.”

    • mingmong said on 16th April 2011, 1:32

      Yep 3 race weekends in a row now. Shame on RBR for not giving him the tools again to fight for the championship. Something smells, this clearly wouldn’t happen on vets car.

  8. Alex Bkk (@alex-bkk) said on 15th April 2011, 10:35

    2010 FP2

    1. Sebastian Vettel 1:35.791
    2. Mark Webber 1:35.995

    2011 FP2

    1. Sebastian Vettel 1’37.688
    2. Lewis Hamilton 1’37.854

    That 2/10s + – is just amazing…

    • Grabthebull ! said on 15th April 2011, 10:47

      But redbull are not light!

      • Alex Bkk (@alex-bkk) said on 15th April 2011, 10:57

        I never said they were. I was just comparing 2010 and 2011 FP2 P1 and P2 time differences and noting that Vettel had a comparable lead at the end of FP2.

        Furthermore, get your tenses correct. Were light, not are light.

        Cheers, Alex

        • Srini (@) said on 15th April 2011, 17:45

          what’s wrong with “are”. He probably is saying that VET is not as light as HAM when he set that time.

  9. Carl said on 15th April 2011, 10:40

    This is getting boring already…

    • Alex Bkk (@alex-bkk) said on 15th April 2011, 11:04

      I assume that Vettel being fastest is what that is boring to you.

      That was never a problem with me for Prost, Senna, Mansel and MSC…

      Being fastest is what really matters in the end.

      • Alex Bkk (@alex-bkk) said on 15th April 2011, 11:05

        That and winning.

        • Carl said on 15th April 2011, 11:41

          I dont have a problem with Vettel or the fact that he is winning everything. Problem is we dont see any racing for the win. All the racing happens behind him. And we dont want a championship winner halfway through the season.

          • And we dont want a championship winner halfway through the season.

            It wouldn’t be the first time that happened!

            It’s up to the other teams to compete with Red Bull, and with Vettel in particular.

            But even if you do get a championship winner half way through the season, it shouldn’t detract from what’s happening behind him.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 15th April 2011, 12:29

            And we dont want a championship winner halfway through the season.

            Does it really matter? Surely what matters more is that we have exciting races.

            I want the right driver to win the championship and if he does it in round nine or round nineteen I’m not too fussed.

            One of the best F1 races I’ve ever seen was Suzuka 2005. The drivers’ championship had already been decided. Did it make the race any less exciting? Not one iota.

            This needless preoccupation with trying to have the championship decided as late as possible is precisely why we have such a conservative points system, which in turn encourages (and rewards) conservative driving.

          • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 15th April 2011, 12:53

            I think it’s very interesting that someone brought this up as a while ago someone on here raised the point: is the number of races making each one and victories less special than they used to be?

            Of course we’ve only gone from 16 to 20 in all the years I’ve been watching, so it’s not that diluted. But I do think we have seen the implications of a results on the overall championship start to outweigh the quality of the individual race in all but the most exciting races (7.5/10 and above). This is what happened in 2009 so I think the potential for an early champion does have some relevance in the debate.

            After Malaysia we saw a few comments about how good the race was but the result was rubbish (and not just because they don’t support Red Bull). I think that’s pretty indicative of where F1 is at the moment. People want exciting races, but if the championship is a foregone conclusion, it usually means it’s because someone is always winning and as I said last week, a fight for the lead can be as worth as much as 2 points on the rating of the race.

          • Fixy (@fixy) said on 15th April 2011, 13:15

            But even if you do get a championship winner half way through the season, it shouldn’t detract from what’s happening behind him.

            Does it really matter? Surely what matters more is that we have exciting races.

          • Todfod (@todfod) said on 15th April 2011, 13:24

            A huge part of the excitement is what happens in the championship standings after the race. So while I enjoyed Suzuka 2005, I would have to say that the result being rather inconsequential, did take away a little bit of the excitement away for me. Fighting for the race win has much more of an impact than fighting for 3rd or 4th place. A huge part of F1′s charm is the unpredictability within races, and if the 1st place seems too predictable then a lot of fans will lose interest halfway through the season.

            Lets just hope that Vettel and Red Bull run into a lot of problems sometime soon, as this season is not shaping up to be as good as last year.

          • Carl said on 15th April 2011, 13:58

            If the Championship is won by round nine then surely all the teams will stop development on their cars and focus on next years car. And for me the development race is almost just as exciting as the actual racing.

          • lewymp4 (@lewymp4) said on 15th April 2011, 17:52

            I can see an answer to this problem…….ban Adrian Newey from the sport.

          • TheGreatCornholio said on 15th April 2011, 23:52

            the not actually having to “race” anyone to win does jar slightly. Its almost more of a time trial really. Does anyone actually know when the last time Vettel had to go wheel to wheel with someone to gain a place cos tbh i can’t remember!

      • NJB said on 16th April 2011, 0:46

        The difference between Vettel and the likes of Senna, Schumacher and Alonso is that he has not yet proven his ability to out-perform his equipment. Vettel is clearly able to extract the maximum from the Red Bull but it’s difficult to compare him to recognised greats whilst all his victories (except Monza 2008) have been in car with a clear pace advantage over the rest of the field.

        To my mind many other drivers on the grid could win in the Red Bull so a lot of the adulation he is receiving seems to be a little premature.

  10. Ben N said on 15th April 2011, 11:07

    Watch Button lead a McLaren 1-2 on Sunday after Vettel takes another pole! Well… that’s what I’d like to expect anyway.

    I’m hoping the Mercedes are real on their pace – wondering whether to feature them in both the F1 Fanatic and Castrol prediction championships – really enjoying both!

    Nice to see HRT outpace Virgin.

    With regard to Webber – he is in real trouble and if he doesn’t improve I can see him walking away or being pushed away before the end of the year.

    • Alex Bkk (@alex-bkk) said on 15th April 2011, 11:17

      Ben I guessed that Button would grab 2nd in Malaysia.

      It was just a guess and I had no real reason for choosing him and nothing really backed up my choice except that it felt right.

      As silly as it may sound I may take your advice on a Macca 1 2.

  11. Posted this elsewhere, but it does give you some idea of how good the Red Bull car seems to the McLaren drivers.

    “Through the long run it looked like they were quicker than Jenson, maybe a second compared to his long run on soft tyres,” said Hamilton, who added that he had done his long stints on hard tyres.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13091304.stm

    • claudioff said on 15th April 2011, 14:44

      That is really a very good point. It could explain, for instance, Massa´s behavior. One, two or three very fast laps, followed by one lap very slow. Keith, could you add the type of tyre which each driver used in these stints? It could give a clearer idea of what it was going on.

  12. Dutch_Alex said on 15th April 2011, 11:35

    I can see the graphs again without deselecting/selecting all the boxes. Thanks for the change Keith:).

    And as for Red Bull being on top again: Their time has come, but history shows it will go again.

  13. Robert McKay said on 15th April 2011, 11:42

    I’ll tell you this – for all the stick I’ve given HRT, if they outqualify Virgin here I will be very impressed with their efforts.

    OK I never expected miracles from Virgin but to apparently go backwards from where they were last season seems pretty disappointing, although I suppose we’re still in the early stages of the weekend and the season in general.

    • vinicius.jlantunes (@vinicius-jlantunes) said on 15th April 2011, 13:39

      Some media guys here in Brazil were slashing HRT… they will have to retreat their comments I guess… of course the team is far from good, but they do have a competent and serious guy in the person of Colin Kolles. Let’s wait and see.

  14. sato113 (@sato113) said on 15th April 2011, 12:46

    interesting move from HRT… I’ll be watching the situation between their pace and virgin’s pace tomorrow…

  15. Eggry (@eggry) said on 15th April 2011, 13:11

    Someone have to stop him…

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