Mercedes progress despite Schumacher’s DRS trouble

2011 Chinese GP qualifying analysis

Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Shanghai, 2011

Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Shanghai, 2011

Mercedes relegated Ferrari to the fourth-fastest team around Shanghai.

Nico Rosberg beat both the red cars but Michael Schumacher suffered a repeat of his Drag Reduction System problem from Sepang.

See below for analysis of all the data from qualifying.

Qualifying times in full

  • Red Bull only showed their hand when they had to – Sebastian Vettel’s margin over the McLarens ballooned in the final part of qualifying
  • Lewis Hamilton saved a set of new soft tyres by only doing one run in the final part of qualifying
  • Nico Rosberg showed much better performance from the Mercedes, out-qualifying both Ferraris and coming within two tenths of a second of the McLarens
  • Unusually, Paul di Resta got progressively slower throughout the session yet still made it into Q3.
Driver Car Q1 Q2 (vs Q1) Q3 (vs Q2)
1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1’35.674 1’34.776 (-0.898) 1’33.706 (-1.070)
2 Jenson Button McLaren 1’35.924 1’34.662 (-1.262) 1’34.421 (-0.241)
3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1’36.091 1’34.486 (-1.605) 1’34.463 (-0.023)
4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1’35.272 1’35.850 (+0.578) 1’34.670 (-1.180)
5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’35.389 1’35.165 (-0.224) 1’35.119 (-0.046)
6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1’35.478 1’35.437 (-0.041) 1’35.145 (-0.292)
7 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 1’36.133 1’35.563 (-0.570) 1’36.158 (+0.595)
8 Paul di Resta Force India 1’35.702 1’35.858 (+0.156) 1’36.190 (+0.332)
9 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso 1’36.110 1’35.500 (-0.610) 1’36.203 (+0.703)
10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1’35.370 1’35.149 (-0.221)
11 Adrian Sutil Force India 1’36.092 1’35.874 (-0.218)
12 Sergio Perez Sauber 1’36.046 1’36.053 (+0.007)
13 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 1’36.147 1’36.236 (+0.089)
14 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1’35.508 1’36.457 (+0.949)
15 Rubens Barrichello Williams 1’35.911 1’36.465 (+0.554)
16 Nick Heidfeld Renault 1’35.910 1’36.611 (+0.701)
17 Pastor Maldonado Williams 1’36.121 1’36.956 (+0.835)
18 Mark Webber Red Bull 1’36.468
19 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus 1’37.894
20 Jarno Trulli Lotus 1’38.318
21 Jerome d’Ambrosio Virgin 1’39.119
22 Timo Glock Virgin 1’39.708
23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT 1’40.212
24 Narain Karthikeyan HRT 1’40.445

Team mate comparisons

Compare the best times of each team’s drivers in the last part of qualifying in which they both set a time.

  • Following a KERS failure in practice, Mark Webber had to qualify without it. According to Williams, KERS is worth 0.24s per lap. Therefore Webber was at least half a second off what should have been possible in Q1, which would have comfortably secured his passage to Q2.
  • There were some tiny gaps between team mates, with just hundredths separating the McLaren, Ferrari, Toro Rosso and Force India team mates. The latter, separated by just 16 thousandths of a second, was the difference between Paul di Resta getting in and Adrian Sutil missing out.
Team Driver Lap time Gap Lap time Driver Round
Red Bull Sebastian Vettel 1’35.674 -0.794 1’36.468 Mark Webber Q1
McLaren Lewis Hamilton 1’34.463 +0.042 1’34.421 Jenson Button Q3
Ferrari Fernando Alonso 1’35.119 -0.026 1’35.145 Felipe Massa Q3
Mercedes Michael Schumacher 1’36.457 +0.607 1’35.850 Nico Rosberg Q2
Renault Nick Heidfeld 1’36.611 +1.462 1’35.149 Vitaly Petrov Q2
Williams Rubens Barrichello 1’36.465 -0.491 1’36.956 Pastor Maldonado Q2
Force India Adrian Sutil 1’35.874 +0.016 1’35.858 Paul di Resta Q2
Sauber Kamui Kobayashi 1’36.236 +0.183 1’36.053 Sergio Perez Q2
Toro Rosso Sebastien Buemi 1’36.203 +0.045 1’36.158 Jaime Alguersuari Q3
Lotus Heikki Kovalainen 1’37.894 -0.424 1’38.318 Jarno Trulli Q1
HRT Narain Karthikeyan 1’40.445 +0.233 1’40.212 Vitantonio Liuzzi Q1
Virgin Timo Glock 1’39.708 +0.589 1’39.119 Jerome d’Ambrosio Q1

Ultimate laps

An ultimate lap is a driver’s best time in each of the three sectors that make up a lap combined.

  • Having been within half a second of reaching Q2 in Sepang, Lotus struggled in the cooler conditions in Shanghai, and were well over one-and-a-half seconds away. They can’t have been expecting the car in front of them would be a Red Bull, though.
  • Michael Schumacher had another problem with his Drag Reduction System on his last effort in Q2. His sector times indicate at least eighth place was possible instead of 14th.
  • Hamilton did not have the luxury of two runs in Q3 and probably missed out on second place because of it.
Pos # Driver Ultimate lap Gap Deficit to best Actual position
1 1 Sebastian Vettel 1’33.706 0.000 1
2 3 Lewis Hamilton 1’34.356 0.650 0.107 3
3 4 Jenson Button 1’34.421 0.715 0.000 2
4 8 Nico Rosberg 1’34.643 0.937 0.027 4
5 5 Fernando Alonso 1’35.068 1.362 0.051 5
6 6 Felipe Massa 1’35.108 1.402 0.037 6
7 10 Vitaly Petrov 1’35.149 1.443 0.000 10
8 7 Michael Schumacher 1’35.437 1.731 1.020 14
9 18 Sebastien Buemi 1’35.500 1.794 0.703 9
10 19 Jaime Alguersuari 1’35.549 1.843 0.609 7
11 15 Paul di Resta 1’35.681 1.975 0.509 8
12 17 Sergio Perez 1’35.713 2.007 0.340 12
13 14 Adrian Sutil 1’35.816 2.110 0.058 11
14 16 Kamui Kobayashi 1’35.885 2.179 0.351 13
15 9 Nick Heidfeld 1’35.910 2.204 0.701 16
16 11 Rubens Barrichello 1’35.911 2.205 0.554 15
17 12 Pastor Maldonado 1’36.006 2.300 0.950 17
18 2 Mark Webber 1’36.144 2.438 0.324 18
19 20 Heikki Kovalainen 1’37.894 4.188 0.000 19
20 21 Jarno Trulli 1’38.318 4.612 0.000 20
21 25 Jerome d’Ambrosio 1’39.071 5.365 0.048 21
22 24 Timo Glock 1’39.605 5.899 0.103 22
23 23 Vitantonio Liuzzi 1’39.864 6.158 0.348 23
24 22 Narain Karthikeyan 1’40.369 6.663 0.076 24

Sector times

Here are the drivers? best times in each sector.

Driver Sector 1 Sector 2 Sector 3
Sebastian Vettel 24.839 (1) 27.936 (1) 40.931 (1)
Jenson Button 24.967 (2) 28.188 (3) 41.266 (4)
Lewis Hamilton 25.057 (3) 28.148 (2) 41.151 (3)
Nico Rosberg 25.150 (6) 28.424 (5) 41.069 (2)
Fernando Alonso 25.222 (11) 28.381 (4) 41.465 (5)
Felipe Massa 25.111 (5) 28.439 (6) 41.558 (6)
Jaime Alguersuari 25.188 (9) 28.650 (13) 41.711 (10)
Paul di Resta 25.274 (13) 28.607 (11) 41.800 (12)
Sebastien Buemi 25.166 (7) 28.557 (8) 41.777 (11)
Vitaly Petrov 25.078 (4) 28.509 (7) 41.562 (7)
Adrian Sutil 25.211 (10) 28.691 (16) 41.914 (15)
Sergio Perez 25.372 (16) 28.685 (15) 41.656 (9)
Kamui Kobayashi 25.409 (17) 28.575 (9) 41.901 (13)
Michael Schumacher 25.229 (12) 28.588 (10) 41.620 (8)
Rubens Barrichello 25.346 (15) 28.656 (14) 41.909 (14)
Nick Heidfeld 25.168 (8) 28.700 (18) 42.042 (17)
Pastor Maldonado 25.325 (14) 28.620 (12) 42.061 (18)
Mark Webber 25.473 (18) 28.693 (17) 41.978 (16)
Heikki Kovalainen 25.857 (19) 29.391 (19) 42.646 (19)
Jarno Trulli 25.906 (20) 29.492 (20) 42.920 (20)
Jerome d’Ambrosio 26.178 (21) 29.704 (21) 43.189 (21)
Timo Glock 26.320 (23) 29.908 (22) 43.377 (22)
Vitantonio Liuzzi 26.214 (22) 30.076 (23) 43.574 (23)
Narain Karthikeyan 26.426 (24) 30.343 (24) 43.600 (24)

Maximum speeds

  • The Renaults have the highest top speeds which should prove useful as they fight their way up from tenth and 16th.
  • Surprisingly little difference between the two Red Bulls despite Webber not having KERS
Pos Driver Car Speed (kph) Gap
1 Nick Heidfeld Renault 322.6
2 Vitaly Petrov Renault 322.5 -0.1
3 Pastor Maldonado Williams 322.0 -0.6
4 Rubens Barrichello Williams 322.0 -0.6
5 Paul di Resta Force India 320.7 -1.9
6 Adrian Sutil Force India 320.6 -2.0
7 Sergio Perez Sauber 318.6 -4.0
8 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 318.4 -4.2
9 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 317.9 -4.7
10 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 317.4 -5.2
11 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 316.9 -5.7
12 Felipe Massa Ferrari 316.9 -5.7
13 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 316.8 -5.8
14 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso 316.7 -5.9
15 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 316.3 -6.3
16 Mark Webber Red Bull 316.0 -6.6
17 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 315.3 -7.3
18 Jenson Button McLaren 315.1 -7.5
19 Jerome d’Ambrosio Virgin 312.6 -10.0
20 Timo Glock Virgin 312.4 -10.2
21 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus 312.1 -10.5
22 Jarno Trulli Lotus 311.7 -10.9
23 Narain Karthikeyan HRT 308.0 -14.6
24 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT 307.6 -15.0

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52 comments on Mercedes progress despite Schumacher’s DRS trouble

  1. mateuss (@mateuss) said on 16th April 2011, 15:29

    Didn’t Schumi have a few rear wing problems last year as well? Some voice in my head is telling my that its just become a standard non-disprovable excuse for him.

    • Sideshow Bob said on 16th April 2011, 17:43

      Right, so the seven-time world champion is content to bumble around the track in 14th and blame some phantom ‘rear wing’ issue. Riiight.

      People forget Michael’s skill and determination so very quickly.

      • Patrickl (@patrickl) said on 16th April 2011, 19:44

        Schumacher is helping people forget

      • mateuss (@mateuss) said on 16th April 2011, 19:51

        Because he hasn’t shown it since he made his comeback. And exactly because of his legend status, he may feel the the need for excuses. There is no denying the fact that he has lost his edge.
        I was hoping for improvement from him, because I have a lot of respect for him, and more competitive field is more exciting, but it simply hasn’t happened and probably wont.

        • Mike said on 16th April 2011, 23:11

          Well it has happened, many times, it just hasn’t taken form over a whole weekend, or generally in terms of pace.

  2. Atticus (@atticus-2) said on 16th April 2011, 15:30

    Keith, sic at third point below ‘Q times in full: ‘Nico Rosberg showed much better performance from the Mercedes, out-qualifying both Ferraris and coming within two tenths of a second of the Ferraris’.

    The second ‘Ferraris’ should be McLarens.

  3. Nin13 (@) said on 16th April 2011, 15:31

    Don’t how much longer can Schumacher give more reasons for his failure to get into Q3. At once I was his biggest fan now I feel bad that he has to fight in midfield and come up with silly reasons after every session.

    • Seems like a legit reason to me.

      • Bigbadderboom said on 16th April 2011, 15:51

        I agree, he just seems to lack that extra 5% required to make it happen. I actually looked forward to his return and thought it would be good to have another WDC on the grid. But I’m beggining to think this was a mistake, and perhaps although only a few years ago his success was of a different era.

        • Bren said on 16th April 2011, 23:39

          look at the article. schumi set a 1:35.5 in first session.

          he was a second slower in q2 due to wing. and probably tyres not being warmed up cos sitting in pits so long.

          but anyway, the pace was there

        • Lets wait for the race. MSC is brilliant compared to Brittney..

  4. Timi said on 16th April 2011, 15:39

    Keith you said it was surprising there was barely any difference between vettels KERS equipped car and webbers. But it’s not at all surprising since KERS is an acceleration boost of sorts, rather than affecting top speeds. At the en of the 1.2km straight, drag and gear ratios are the effectors on top speed.
    Vetted probably got to his top speed quicker than webber, due to KERS, but like I said, after 1.2km, theyd both hit top speed.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 16th April 2011, 15:44

      Fair point – goes to show how little difference KERS (under the current regulations) actually makes.

    • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 16th April 2011, 16:26

      Yes . If the driver is hitting top speed earlier, then that means he’s covering greater distance at high speed. Time = Speed/Distance. Remember the margins we are talking about are actually small – 0.3s is the standard figure for KERS – that they do take only a short time to manifest. After all, we’re talking about 0.3% of the laptime here.

      • King Six said on 16th April 2011, 16:34

        Exactly, things like KERS and the DRS…they are all about acceleration rather than top speed.

        • bananarama (@bananarama) said on 16th April 2011, 17:35

          Mostly yes, but DRS also reduces drag overal and therefore increases the topspeed (but DRS worked for both, so no difference there).

          • Also, as both Vettel and Webber were bouncing off the limiter, we can safely assume that the DRS does not determine top-speed, but rather the gear ratios.

          • Mike said on 16th April 2011, 23:15

            Makes Red Bull look a bit silly when they can’t overtake.

            Actually, considering how chaotic races are going to be this year, and how important it will be to make passes. Don’t you think it might be worth sacrificing a very slight bit of pace, to actually be able to utilise slipstream + DRS?

  5. Bigbadderboom said on 16th April 2011, 15:42

    Keith, why suprised that despite no KERS the red bulls top end was similar. KERS does not change the gearing, and as all the cars are bouncing of their limiters on the straight there wouldn’t be a noticable difference unless the gearing on the two cars was setup differently.

  6. ed24f1 (@ed24f1) said on 16th April 2011, 15:43

    Ferrari were possibly even the 5th fastest team in qualifying, as I think Petrov probably could have outqualified them.

    I think their race pace should be more competitive compared to the Mercedes and Renaults though.

    • xxiinophobia (@xxiinophobia) said on 16th April 2011, 18:16

      Good catch there, ed.

      Looking at their times from Q2, Petrov was actually just a bit ahead of both Ferraris, and had his car not failed he may have improved enough in Q3 to stay ahead of both of them. Even with the failure, Petrov’s Q2 time is only 0.03s slower than Alonso’s time in Q3.

  7. open mind said on 16th April 2011, 16:03

    hey mateuss… pretty sure the drs system did not exist last year… you fast chatin haters are pretty non aware type…

    • mateuss (@mateuss) said on 16th April 2011, 18:01

      Yeah :D I am very much aware of that, but I said rear wing problems not DRS. I seem to remember there were a number of occasion when they were reporting stalling wing issues (as they had passive F-ducts last year), but where my memory falls short is remembering weather Rosberg also was affected? At least it wasn’t an excuse for him for not making Q3, as he did not need one.

      It does seem a legit reason, but odd at the same time, when his wing stalls exactly when he is under pressure (on last qualy attempts), and his team mates does not seem affected. Maybe it is a genuine problem, but rather one because he himself just cant make it happen. Like Webber saying today, I had a hard compound tyre problem (fortunately he is very much straight forward guy and wouldn’t excuse himself like that). Normally I wouldn’t be so skeptical of what someone is saying, but I just felt a bit of a déjà vu – MSC falling out of Q2 + stalling wing problems, and not for the first time. I think there is a possibility.

      • Alexi said on 17th April 2011, 2:44

        Well so what do you think tyen? That Schumacher is like “Hey, I don’t think I will cut it this time, so let’s mess with the rear wing!”

  8. RandomChimp (@randomchimp) said on 16th April 2011, 16:10

    Hamilton did not have the luxury of two runs in Q3 and probably missed out on second place because of it.

    Just out of interest, why do you think this to be the case?
    In practice Button looked good compared with Hamilton to me.

  9. bob80 said on 16th April 2011, 16:38

    Anyone knows if DRS enabled area is on the whole main straight for tomorrows race?

  10. Fixy (@fixy) said on 16th April 2011, 16:59

    5 tables! How long does it take? They are really detailed and well-made, though, fabulous!

    • DaveW said on 16th April 2011, 19:26

      Agree with that. Obviously a lot of work and well appreciated. But you know, some people are never satisfied. For example, I would find it quite informative to have chart for the 10 ten driver’s tire collection status (used/fresh/ruined). Since this season is now “tires-formula,” that is critical information.

  11. Calum (@calum) said on 16th April 2011, 17:28

    Look at Sebs Q2 time: 1’34.776
    Now see my pole time: 01:34.786

    That was extremely close! :O

  12. Pedal to the Vettel (@pedal-to-the-vettel) said on 16th April 2011, 19:50

    tisk tisk tisk, what ever next schumi…

    “I sneezed on the straight which cost me a second”

  13. jbenzz said on 16th April 2011, 20:00

    What’s the point of having a 107% rule if the top teams aren’t setting a competitive time in Q1. Karthikeyan wouldn’t have made the race if the 107% rule was applied to the best times.

  14. TheBrav3 said on 16th April 2011, 22:56

    Seems alot of people are talking about schumacher so we should not forgot that the last 2 mins of qualifying were not the standard affair.

    It was completely inevitable that some of the drivers in that 11? car long queue were going to miss out by running in dirty air. Massa would have failed to get to q 3 if he haddn’t passed perez right at the start of his outlap. heidfeld did drop out but no one’s slating him. I’m guessing because you all already got egg on your face with the way he bounced back to take a podium in malaysia after his oz showing.

    Finally drawing an absolute speed comparison between them is impossible since schumachers fastest times of any weekend so far have come in Q 2 when he would have likely not been running in the ultimate engine setting. So at the moment we can only base their speeds on sessions they both took part in which at the moment indicate a good even fight between them even if you discount the malaysia race where schumacher completely outraced nico.

    It’s the start of the season and the term “knee jerk reaction” goes no where near to covering how over exaggerated peoples reactions are to grand prix racing at the moment. First the tyres were terrible after a winter testing period in sub 15 degree temperature then in australia they were to effective. Where as the drs was not good enough in australia then in malaysia it was to good, heifeld judged a failer at oz and a hero at malaysia. If you are all really f1 fanatics why do you have such difficulty in understanding that it’s a learning process to the teams as much as it is to us this season. It’s alot closer than any of you are giving credit for at mercedes and that’s something you can bet on.

    • sam3110 (@sam3110) said on 16th April 2011, 23:28

      Ah, now this is a proper comment, none of that ‘COTD!!!!!!’ nonsense for badly written jokes, just a proper point of view that sums up many people on this forum. Yes, Schumi has been disappointing in Quali, but his race pace and racecraft is still good, look at the start he had in Malaysia.

      Oh, and another thing, can we stop all the Ferrari bashing, because yes in ultimate lap times Ferrari may be only 4th or 5th fastest, but funnily enough they are the second team in terms of the starting positions on the grid this weekend, and as Webber proved, it’s not how fast the car is, it’s how the driver dials up a lap when it counts, and for all the negativity here, Ferrari got an under performing car on 5th and 6th when many reckon they should be 9th and 10th or lower

    • AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 17th April 2011, 7:59

      Spot on. Alot of people are just so quick to criticise. It gets boring pretty quickly.

  15. Prisoner Monkeys said on 17th April 2011, 2:13

    You know, looking at it, I’m not sure I get the whole argument that the DRS should be available under the same conditions in the race and in qualifying. Because when you really think about it, racing and qualifying are two vastly different ways of driving. Qualifying is all about getting in a single perfect flying lap; racing is about long stints, managing fuel and tyres and strategy.

    When the new engine and design regulations come into effect for 2013, I would not object if the sporting rules were amended to include a slightly different qualifying procedure. Keep the knockout format, but give teams special qualifying tyres that can only be used during qualifying, and limit each driver to doing one flying lap in each period to put maximum pressure on them. Give them an unlimited DRS and KERS for qualifying as well. Tailor everything to essentially turn qualifying into an event as well. You could even take a leaf out of the WRC’s book with the Power Stages and award one point for the fastest Q1 time, two points for Q2 and three point for whoever ultimately gets on pole. And whoever is fastest in Q1 automatically qualifies third, whoever is fastest in Q2 is second and whoever is fastest in Q3 is on pole with everyone else lining up based on times – but the catch is that if you enter into the next qualifying period, you give up the grid place you had secured.

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