Vettel on pole again but Webber slumps to 18th

2011 Chinese GP qualifying

Lewis Hamilton, Sebastian Vettel, Jenson Button, Shanghai, 2011

Lewis Hamilton, Sebastian Vettel, Jenson Button, Shanghai, 2011

Sebastian Vettel set pole position for the fourth race in a row and continued his unbeaten run in 2011.

But team mate Mark Webber will start from the ninth row of the grid after being knocked out in the first part of qualifying.

The McLarens will start second and third, with Jenson Button ahead of Lewis Hamilton.

Q1

The first part of qualifying produced a shock – Mark Webber was eliminated at the first stage.

The Red Bull driver was already running without KERS following a problem with the system in practice.

Despite not setting a particularly fast time with his first effort, Webber returned to the track on another set of hard tyres, not wanting to use a set of softs which he would need for the race.

But he could only manage 16th fastest. Improvements from Michael Schumacher and, finally, Pastor Maldonado’s Williams, condemned him to starting the race 18th.

He was joined by the six ‘usual suspects’ – the two Lotuses, HRTs and Virgins.

Driver eliminated in Q1

18 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1’36.468
19 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1’37.894
20 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 1’38.318
21 Jerome d’Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1’39.119
22 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1’39.708
23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 1’40.212
24 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1’40.445

Q2

The McLaren duo headed the times at first, with Hamilton two-tenths of a second faster than Button, and Vettel a tenth further behind.

Vitaly Petrov set a time good enough for fourth but his Renault came to a stop shortly afterwards. That brought the red flags out with two minutes left to go.

Among the drivers inconvenienced by that was his team mate, who had just left the pits to do his first and only lap when Petrov stopped.

The session restarted with a string of cars queued up at the exit of the pit lane, led by Sergio Perez. But Felipe Massa made his way past the Sauber driver to make sure he had the advantage of a clear track.

While Massa made it through Perez driver failed to make the cut for the top ten, as team mate Kamui Kobayashi.

Michael Schumacher was also eliminated, as were both Williamses and Adrian Sutil’s Force India.

Heidfeld was also unable to get a clear lap in following the delay, leaving him 16th.

Driver eliminated in Q2

11 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1’35.874
12 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1’36.053
13 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1’36.236
14 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1’36.457
15 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1’36.465
16 Nick Heidfeld Renault 1’36.611
17 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1’36.956

Q3

Button and Vettel were the only drivers to go out at the start of the final ten minutes, the rest not wanting to use up soft tyres, including Hamilton, who hadn’t used any more than his two rivals.

Vettel set a stunning pace with his first lap, a 1’33.706, seven-tenths of a second faster than Button could manage.

It was more than Hamilton could do either, who made just a single run. He was fractionally faster than Button in the last two sectors, but a tenth slower in the first, and took third behind his team mate.

Nico Rosberg beat the Ferraris to fourth place, with Alonso just three-hundredths of a second faster than Massa.

Jaime Alguersuari took seventh ahead of Paul di Resta, followed by Sebastien Buemi, and Vitaly Petrov who was unable to set a time.

Top ten in Q3

1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1’33.706
2 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1’34.421
3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1’34.463
4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1’34.670
5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’35.119
6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1’35.145
7 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’36.158
8 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1’36.190
9 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’36.203
10 Vitaly Petrov Renault No time

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214 comments on Vettel on pole again but Webber slumps to 18th

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  1. sw6569 (@sw6569) said on 16th April 2011, 8:27

    Its so difficult to respect Vettel’s pole. That car is just so much better than any other (well, at least Vettel’s is…!).

    Great lap though – but my stars were Button, Di Resta and Rosberg. Petrov gets a shout too.

    Really poor by Schumacher. Starting to think now that this whole comeback was misjudged. Also Williams? Oh dear :(

    • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 16th April 2011, 8:32

      Agree with you on all points.

      Hopefully that moment from Hamilton didn’t damage the tyres and the McLarens can take the fight to Vettel tomorrow. Hope to see Webber come through the field too.

      Incidentally, that’s what’s so good about the new tyres. Before, anyone out of position could just start on the hard tyres, go long and make up 10 places without having to pass anyone. Now they have to fight. Shame it’s not being replicated at the front yet, but we have Vettel to blame for that!

      • Eggry (@eggry) said on 16th April 2011, 8:40

        We need battle for win, not cruising!!

        • Antranik (@antranik) said on 16th April 2011, 8:47

          Exactly! I get it, Vettel is an amazing driver and deserves to win, but its getting old already!!! It feels like were entering the new era of Schumi domination, and that is not a good thing! I mean we could atleast have pitstop battles for 1st but there is nothing… It’s always the same car, same guy, same position, just cruising away for that top step of the podium!

          • Fixy (@fixy) said on 16th April 2011, 9:20

            It feels like were entering the new era of Schumi domination, and that is not a good thing! I mean we could atleast have pitstop battles for 1st but there is nothing… It’s always the same car, same guy, same position, just cruising away for that top step of the podium!

            It isn’t nice for viewers, but to have success in F1 you need to do precisely that. Sebastian is showing great qualities and deserves his place as number 1, but certainly it would be better if more teams were able to fight for wins and he had to fight to earn them!

          • Especially as the red bulls front wing is still bending and the FIA seem to be unwilling to do anything about it!

        • Klaas said on 16th April 2011, 13:56

          For us Vettel fans, it’s great as it is. Yeaaaaah, VIVA LA VETTEL! Hope he wins all races this season.

    • Alex Bkk (@alex-bkk) said on 16th April 2011, 8:35

      I agree too… Vettel and Newey a perfect match.

      • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 16th April 2011, 8:36

        We always wondered what Schumacher would be like in a Newey car…we have our answer.

        • Eggry (@eggry) said on 16th April 2011, 8:37

          Well, we already had Schumacher and Brawn/Byrn, right?

          • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 16th April 2011, 8:40

            Very true. Byrne owned Newey for 4 years straight.

          • Kev said on 16th April 2011, 8:44

            It is time for someone to pack his bags. Nope its not Schumi but Brawn. Why on earth would you run with hard tires in the first stint of Q2, when you clearly don’t have the pace to match the top4? What happened to put in a banker lap theory?

            Alonso’s run on fresh tires was disrupted and the last two minutes was chaos with everyone seemingly intent on making to the start line rather than warming up their tires. Difficult for those fellas. Still expecting something wonderful from Michael in the race.

          • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 16th April 2011, 8:52

            Brawn has made some strange decisions in recent years. Remember him trying to get Schumacher to go half of the Canadian race on soft tyres?

          • sw6569 (@sw6569) said on 16th April 2011, 8:53

            @Kev

            the run on the hard tyres was a banker lap.

            The team only had 1 set of softs allocated for each of the qualy sessions as they had to use them in Q1. Don’t think it was the fault of the team at all – rather the fault of the rather ridiculous red flag rules.

            As ajokay commented on twitter – a red flag should be like injury time. An amount of time should be added on – perhaps an average lap time + 20 seconds.

          • Kev said on 16th April 2011, 8:58

            Yes. It seems very different to the Brawn of previous years. Even with BrawnGP and such a huge advantage with the DDD, it became very close at the end of the season. Schumi is slower than Rosberg in qualifying but definitely not that slower than how people have been talking about him.

            Wish he would show us some of the magical moments like he did with Ferrari.

          • Kev said on 16th April 2011, 9:06

            I don’t think we can blame Vettel. It is not about having the best car, it is about putting the car in its rightful place. Vettel seems happy taking pole at all the races since his car has the potential.
            Look at Alonso in 2010 Monaco GP. The car had the potential but he crashed it out of qualifying and lost a minimum of podium place for that race.

            Vettel has a race-winning car and is using it to the fullest. I wouldn’t bet against him for a second world title this season.

        • sw6569 (@sw6569) said on 16th April 2011, 8:43

          i’m afraid I can’t quite agree with this statement. Not yet. Vettel is good – he’s a world champion – but there are still doubts. Same as I have for Massa strangely.

          Simply – he can lead from the front but can he overtake? The only pass I can remember him completing (that was against an equal-ish car) was against Button this year but as we know that was a slightly questionable pass.

          Drivers who win in dominant cars always have these kind of question marks – Mansell and Schumacher for example. However these drivers have numerous examples of devastating overtakes from their careers that Vettel doesn’t have yet.

          • Eggry (@eggry) said on 16th April 2011, 8:48

            We need poor car for Vettel, or at least average class to confirm his talent to compete.

            Actually Vettel is very fortunate boy. He have had always competitive car considering his level of career. BMW-Sauber was not great but good enough for rookie, Toro Rosso of 2008 was awesome(probably the most successful car of the team) and Redbul from 2009…

            No one have had such consistent gift. except Schumacher.(a little different though)

          • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 16th April 2011, 8:51

            Don’t get me wrong, I have doubts over Vettel too. But for pure pace, the combination is boggling.

            I’m agreeing with you across the board today! Mansell and Schumacher showed so much more than Vettel has so far. And when he’s been tested he’s often come up short (Webber and Button incidents, his 50% share of the collision with Kubica in 2009).

          • F1Lover (@f1lover) said on 16th April 2011, 8:56

            I totally agree with you EGGRY & SW6569. And I am sure there is something wrong with Webber’s car. Despite Horner’s explanations i am sure they knew he wasn’t gonna make it and they put on the hard tyres so he could go longer at the race.

          • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 16th April 2011, 9:00

            Eggry, and to think people complained about Hamilton “lucking” into the best car from the beginning!

          • Todfod (@todfod) said on 16th April 2011, 9:03

            There is a question mark regarding his overtaking abilities .. but he more than makes up for that in his qualifying performances. He is arguably the best qualifier we have had on the grid since Senna. And lets not forget that he is still 23-24 years old, and he still has a lot of potential to improve and mature as a racer.

          • Eggry (@eggry) said on 16th April 2011, 9:09

            @Icthyes Well, It is true that Hamilton had luck to have great car from rookie season! but He also have had difficult challenges from 2008 and I think he proved his talend as well.

          • Eggry (@eggry) said on 16th April 2011, 9:17

            has had. has had. sorry.

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 16th April 2011, 13:52

            I don’t think he’s the best qualifier since Senna. Even in races where Red Bull haven’t had the best race pace they’ve still had the best car over a single lap. You’d expect him to dominate quali. If he was in a McLaren, or a Ferrari last year, would he be as impressive? Hamilton has never had a car that was dominant over a single lap, if he had then I’m sure he would have done much the same.

          • SVettel (@) said on 16th April 2011, 14:26

            Why was his pass questionable?
            He made the pass on Button, and then he had to leave the race track to avoid a collision.

          • Williams4Ever said on 16th April 2011, 15:23

            @Eggry -

            Actually Vettel is very fortunate boy. He have had always competitive car considering his level of career.

            Its the same case for Lewis,who always had competitive car, even in the season where McLaren car is not the fastest out of the box, the team throws everything on that car, put countless number of hours in Testing(Simulator) and turns around the car, and sometimes just for him (deny upgrades to his team-mates). So I guess its just goes again to underline how F1 is all about being in the right team at right team.
            A Mid-tier, lower team may have a smart designer, but just don’t have enough resources to win the development race through the season.

          • Eggry (@eggry) said on 16th April 2011, 16:22

            @Williams4Ever the thing is, in Hamilton’s case it gets worse but in Vettel’s case it gets better. Today’s Hamilton is definetely better driver than 2007 but he doesn’t have such a great car as that time. However Vettel has never been tested by worse car.

            Bottomline : Vettel has got through very easy course. That is why people have doubt about him.

    • Pinball said on 16th April 2011, 8:43

      Isn’t that what Formula 1 is about, having the best car? It’s a team battle, just as much as a battle between the drivers.

      • Phil said on 16th April 2011, 9:05

        F1Lover: Starting the race on the tyres they set the fastest time on in quali, only applies to the ten that actually participate in Q3.

    • Kodongo (@kodongo) said on 16th April 2011, 8:43

      Hamilton is one of the only top drivers with a fresh set of softs, I think. I imagine he was being super conservative today after mis-managing his tires in quali last Saturday. Looking good for second in the race.

      • Kev said on 16th April 2011, 8:48

        He locked up tires again in his qualifying run. Will be interesting to see his first stint against Button. Maybe he will be saved by his extra set of tires, but catching Vettel seems impossible.

        Kudos to Vettel. He has put the car on the right spot it deserves on the grid.

        A qualifying champion, I should say.

      • Eric said on 16th April 2011, 10:06

        I think it is a very positive sign that Hamilton adjusted his tactics that quickly after Malaysia. A very shrewd tactical move I feel.

        • Simon999 said on 16th April 2011, 13:59

          I don’t know why anyone would expect anything else. Hamilton is a top driver (one of the top 3 on the grid, in my opinion), who has already adjusted his driving style for this season – see Brundle’s comment about how smoothly he drives now.

          Having pushed the limits a bit too far last week, he was certain to try and rectify the situation this week.

          A good performance by Button too, which should help with pushing each other along this season (at least within the team).

          • Williams4Ever said on 16th April 2011, 15:27

            see Brundle’s comment about how smoothly he drives now.

            Brundle is paid by British TV channel,so has to say all the right things when it comes to British drivers. Ironically as Brundle was praising “Smooth Style” of Lewis, Lewis had that massive flat spot when he locked up the front right. Steve Matchett had predicted correctly on Speed TV that flat spot was going to bite Lewis back, and thats what happened..

          • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 16th April 2011, 16:31

            Brundle was also first to make a comment last year about “the Lewis of 2007 [i.e. making mistakes}” coming back – after he had made only the first major error of his season. Brundle is hardly biased, cut the rubbish.

      • Toro Stevo said on 16th April 2011, 13:56

        Well, Webber has all his softs I think… whether he qualifies as a ‘top driver’ or not anymore is open to discussion. Unless you meant top qualifiers for this race, in which case my point is void.

    • Williams4Ever said on 16th April 2011, 15:14

      Its so difficult to respect Vettel’s pole. That car is just so much better than any other

      So true, just like 2009 season and Button’s rigged title….

      • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 16th April 2011, 15:20

        Oh let’s not have any silly bickering. The BGP 001 was legal, the RB7 is legal.

        This is F1, and few are the cars that win championships and don’t get protested over something-or-other.

        • Williams4Ever said on 16th April 2011, 15:30

          Oh let’s not have any silly bickering.

          Agreed, lets just have a one way street of selective preaching…

          • US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 16th April 2011, 20:40

            The idea that Button’s title was somehow “rigged” because his team had the foresight to innovate in a grey area of the rules that turned out to pay off for them is just pure fantasy. Sure Button had an easier time of it, and Vettel probably would’ve taken the championship if the double diffuser had been banned, but as has been pointed out countless times before on this site and others it’s the driver AND car that win a title, not just one or the other. Keith is not “preaching” at anyone. I would guess he’s just sick (as am I) of conspiracy theories in F1.

      • Pinball said on 16th April 2011, 22:03

        Rigged? They had the fastest car by a country mile, and it was never excluded from any races, so you have to assume that the car was legal. Given Sauber were disqualified for a minor infraction with their rear wing in Australia, I would think it’s fairly safe to assume that the FIA’s scrutineers look over these cars with a very fine tooth comb and find anything that happens to be illegal about them.

        Formula 1 is an engineering competition. As such it’s all about building the fastest car, and getting some good drivers to drive it. Not many drivers, in any sort of racing series win in cars that aren’t fastest. Just because a driver wins the championship in the fastest car doesn’t take anything away from their achievement.

  2. TFLB said on 16th April 2011, 8:29

    For the first time today the BBC coverage seriously annoyed me, the di Resta hype was unbearable.

    On another note, if Webber keeps this kind of performance up he won’t last the season. He could single-handedly lose Red Bull the constructor’s championship.

    • Eggry (@eggry) said on 16th April 2011, 8:36

      BBC always likes British driver. It’s not secret.

      • Younger Hamii(Formerly Younger Hamilton) said on 16th April 2011, 12:29

        Yeah i think everyone who is not British and has made statements about the BBC F1 Team hyping over Paul is considered Hypocrites.

        Wouldnt that be the same case with German Commentators and Vettel and any other F1 German Driver,Especially with Spanish TV and Alonso,Again Australian Commentators and Webber.

        Why is the Finger pointed at us British all the time?

        • wigster (@wigster) said on 16th April 2011, 13:05

          I think it may be because the bbc claim to be impartial, and focussing on british drivers isnt being totally impartial.

          Plus I know the the bbc commentary is available in other countries, so maybe some of the comments about bbc partiality come from people overseas who watch the bbc feed if they get bbc pre/post race coverage too.

        • TFLB said on 16th April 2011, 15:52

          Well, I am british and I find it annoying. Nationality has absolutely nothing to do with who I support.

    • David-A (@david-a) said on 16th April 2011, 8:40

      Di Resta did do a good job today though, 8th was a good effort.

      • TFLB said on 16th April 2011, 8:49

        I know, it was a good result, but they start praising him before he has even done anything. Also they should have acknowledged that he was very lucky to stay in the top ten. If there hadn’t been a red flag, Schumacher, Kobayashi, Sutil and Heidfeld would probably have all beaten him.

        • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 16th April 2011, 8:54

          It’s not like Paul was at the front of the queue in Q2. They messed up, he didn’t.

          • TFLB said on 16th April 2011, 9:01

            He did mess up, he had a clear track and didn’t improve. All the other drivers were in traffic. Kobayashi was hindered by Schumacher’s mistake, Sutil was cut up by a Williams going into turn 1. I don’t know what happened to Heidfeld. But certainly Kobayashi and Sutil were innocent victims, and di Resta profited from that.

          • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 16th April 2011, 9:26

            His original time proved enough to get him through. If others can’t beat that, that’s their problem.

          • TFLB said on 16th April 2011, 9:42

            It’s bad luck for the other drivers if their lap was ruined by the red flag or by the mistakes of other drivers. Di Resta and to a certain extent the STRs benefited from the bad luck of other’s. Still, they all did a good job and good luck to them in the race.

          • wigster (@wigster) said on 16th April 2011, 10:53

            Di Resta went out and got a good enough “banker lap” in that he was in the top ten. The other teams and drivers know yellow/red flags do happen and either werent fast enough or chose not to do a banker themselves so have no one to blame but themselves. Well done Paul Di Resta.

        • ScottishNotBritish said on 16th April 2011, 9:14

          TFLB I’m wondering why you constantly want to play down Di Resta’s achievements?

          Are you a Sutil fan? Or do you just not like him? Genuine question.

          Your comment that Sch, Kob, Sut and Hei would “probably have beaten him” is preposterous. Especially Sut and Kob. Why then was Di Resta ahead of these drivers in the first run of the session and Q1?

          As I see it Di Resta has made the most impressive debut as an F1 driver since Lewis Hamilton. He has out-qualified his experienced and highly rated teammate in his first three GP! Although it will be very difficult for him to maintain this dominance his achievements so far should be acknowledged by the BBC (and prehaps you?).

          • TFLB said on 16th April 2011, 9:21

            I do like di Resta, but it annoys me how everyone keeps talking him up. No, I am not particularly a fan of Sutil, but I do think that people are far too harsh on him. Also, Sutil was on course to be about eight tenths faster in Australia before he spun, had a gearbox problem in qualifying in Malaysia. He might have beaten di Resta here if the Williams had not cut him up. I would not call that dominance by di Resta – more like luck. That said, he is doing a very good job for a rookie and I apologise if I caused offence.

          • ScottishNotBritish said on 16th April 2011, 9:27

            No worries TFLB. I do accept your points to an extent, and we need to keep our expectations in check, but good luck to him I say!

          • Joseph said on 16th April 2011, 9:45

            I absolutely agree with you!!
            Paul Di Resta is an unbelievable talent I can see him driver for Ferrari or McLaren in around 2015. Best of luck to the Scot.

          • Patrickl (@patrickl) said on 16th April 2011, 10:57

            “Sutil was on course to be about eight tenths faster before he spun”

            That sums up Sutil’s problem quite well.

            He’s either rather mediocre or when he does perform he spins or crashes.

          • TFLB said on 16th April 2011, 11:42

            Actually that’s a myth. He hardly made any mistakes at all last year (yes, I know, Korea) and has only made that one mistake this year.

      • Kev said on 16th April 2011, 8:50

        Seems like Macca have a Brit race driver on hand to replace Lewis if he moves for greener pastures:-)

        • zecks said on 16th April 2011, 9:50

          or indeed is MSC quits at the end of this year

          • Bigbadderboom said on 16th April 2011, 11:14

            Thought that myself this morning! Di Resta like the real deal to me and I wondered where his next drive might be, I think MSC may call it a day at the end of the season, and I don’t think being German will be a prerequisite for a new driver, MGP would do well to look at new younger talent rather than older less motivated drivers.

          • Young One said on 16th April 2011, 15:01

            The answer is a lot closer to home. Senior Hamilton was seen hanging out with RB guys so I am sure he is involving himself for a drive for his clients.

    • Hatebreeder (@hatebreeder) said on 16th April 2011, 8:40

      cant blame webber if he kers didnt work now, can you?

      • TFLB said on 16th April 2011, 8:50

        Vettel managed to win in Australia and Malaysia without KERS

        • atko said on 16th April 2011, 8:59

          He had KERS in Malaysia, only Webber was without for Malaysia. This was confirmed after the race.

          • TFLB said on 16th April 2011, 9:02

            He only used KERS very rarely in Malaysia though.

          • Not really. More like “he only didn’t have it for a short while”. Even when RBR were telling him not to use it, that apparently was an “erroneous” message according to Horner, as evidenced by Vettel setting the fastest lap even as they were telling him not to use it. And for the brief time he wasn’t meant to use it, it was only a precautionary measure, not because of any big failure.

        • MJ4 said on 16th April 2011, 9:13

          Vettel did have KERS in Malaysia, as opposed to Webber.

        • Alex Bkk (@alex-bkk) said on 16th April 2011, 9:38

          Why was he out on Primes if he didn’t have KERS? It makes no sense… I’d almost swear that Webber is self destructing.

          • Funkyf1 said on 16th April 2011, 9:43

            It wasn’t Webbers call, the team sent him out on primes…Helmut Marko is making sure he cant upset Vettel at all this year.

      • TommyB (@tommyb89) said on 16th April 2011, 9:01

        KERS = 0.3 seconds not over a second.

        But yeah we can’t blame Webber. Better blame Red Bull for favouring Vettel

        • atko said on 16th April 2011, 9:06

          I’m not sure if they’re favouring Vettel over Webber, but Webber certainly got the shot end of the stick when it comes to cars.

          1st race front wing and chassis (supposedly)
          2nd race no KERS
          Current race yet again no KERS and rumored front wing/brake problems.

          If they continue like this they’re going to lose the constructors.

          • atko said on 16th April 2011, 9:09

            @TFLB From what I hear he had use of KERS straight off the bat (a big advantage im sure you’ll agree), and only after half of the race was complete did he start using it every other lap.

            Choose 1 of the below:
            a/ No KERS at all
            b/ KERS off the line until you’ve cemented your 1st place, then using it every other lap.

        • Todfod (@todfod) said on 16th April 2011, 9:14

          It was just a stupid idea to put him on another set of hards, wasn’t it? We’ve seen Ferrari not taking that unnecessary risk in Q1, and Webber should be at fault as well, for not insisting to go on soft tyres.

          • atko said on 16th April 2011, 9:20

            Apparently he was held up by the weigh bridge as he was trying to go out? They didn’t really elaborate much on commentary but it sounded like they were speculating if he wasn’t able to do a second lap on Hards due to being held up.

            But yes. Big mistake going out on Hards so late in q1.

          • Eric said on 16th April 2011, 10:13

            I think you are right. Responsibility needs to be passed around to everyone. Then again when you see the pole time that Vettel put in its not surprising they were a little bit on the cocky side.

        • Younger Hamii(Formerly Younger Hamilton) said on 16th April 2011, 9:29

          No Actually KERS are worth up Half a Second per lap.But like your Suggestion of 0.3Secs it May Depend on the Amount of Downforce a Particular Car has.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 16th April 2011, 12:34

            KERS at Shanghai is worth 0.24s/lap, according to Williams.

          • Toro Stevo said on 16th April 2011, 16:16

            According to the 6th-9th fastest car. It’s not a linear relationship, might be worth more to a car 3 seconds in front of Williams in the first place.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 16th April 2011, 12:33

      It’s not as if they’ve ignored the other rookies. They were talking up Perez as Massa’s replacement the other week which I thought was a bit over the top.

      • Williams4Ever said on 16th April 2011, 15:34

        They were talking up Perez as Massa’s replacement the other week which I thought was a bit over the top.

        Agreed, seems like Massa has rubbed someone on the wrong side in British Press, They simply can’t find anything good about that chap. Of course this season he has fared good as compared to the bigger evil, the Spaniard. So hopefully the Brazilian will get some British Love :)

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 16th April 2011, 15:39

          Anyone with eyes to see would have doubts over Massa’s future at Ferrari. He was pretty comprehensively thrashed by Alonso last year. The idea they might replace him is not fanciful, though talking up the prospects of a driver with one start to his name (at that time) was what I thought was a bit much.

          But this hyper-sensitivity about nationality is really, really tedious by the way.

      • TFLB said on 16th April 2011, 15:57

        No, they haven’t ignored them, but they must have mentioned him about five times as frequently as the other rookies. And it’s especially annoying when Humphrey asks someone (like Senna) a leading question to get him to praise di Resta, and then Coulthard gives a monologue about him during the commentary. We must have heard the abbreviated history of di Resta’s career at least three times already this season.

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 16th April 2011, 16:01

          Can’t say I’d noticed. It’s nothing compared to ITV’s fortnightly Button-/Hamilton-fests.

          • TFLB said on 16th April 2011, 16:50

            No, it’s nowhere near that level, but it’s still irritating. I still like the BBC coverage though, it’s such a massive improvement.

  3. dave said on 16th April 2011, 8:30

    Well done Bruno Senna for making me miss Eddie Jordan.

  4. Jumix (@jumix) said on 16th April 2011, 8:33

    What was the deal with the Bulls at the end, any clue? No cheering, no on-radio congratulations, Seb sitting in the car for a good 2 minutes… Odd?

    • S.J.M (@sjm) said on 16th April 2011, 10:26

      Horner said it was to do with him abandoning his last lap and coming in early, catching the stewards offguard. How true that is, i dont know, as Button followed him in and was out of his car quick enough…

      • BBT (@bbt) said on 16th April 2011, 16:53

        Yes he said that but that is rubbish as Button did the same and was out of the car 2 minutes before Vettel, it was odd…. maybe a KERS problem and making the car safe.

  5. Harv's said on 16th April 2011, 8:34

    So can someone please tell me why the lap record still stands? Why doesnt Qualifying times count for the Lap record. It’s still A lap of the track? Why should it not count for the for the lap record?

    • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 16th April 2011, 8:35

      Because it’s a special circumstance, low fuel and fresh tyres. It’s like saying someone doing a lap with a JATO strapped to their back should still stand.

      • Harv's said on 16th April 2011, 8:46

        Yea but what im saying its still a lap of the track, so it should count as the fastest lap a car has done of the track, thats what a lap record is suposed to reprsent, the fastest a car has been around the track.

        like the comentators were saying “thats a 1.33, the fastest a car has been round this track, faster than micheal schumachers lap record”.

        • Eggry (@eggry) said on 16th April 2011, 8:50

          I’d like to agree with you but then we have to change all lap record of all times. maybe we’d rather find time machine to go back to 1950.

        • SVettel (@) said on 16th April 2011, 14:34

          The lap record applies to laps done durig the race, not qualifying. That’s why Vettels pole lap doesn’t count, and neither does Schumacher 1.28 at Suzuka in 2006

          • Tim said on 11th June 2011, 16:32

            Wait a minute

            Why would laps done in Practice count to lap records, but not Qualifying

            Is this just another stupid rule the FIA has invented that makes no sense?

            A lap record should be the fastest EVER lap done at a circuit.

            I just tried to update Wikipedia Montreal with Montoya’s 2002 record, only to be told that Qualifying laps do not count.

            Er, why?

            Makes absolutely no sense. Dumb FIA.

    • Eggry (@eggry) said on 16th April 2011, 8:43

      and now we have DRS which is allowed always only in quali. so it’s fair. DRS make quali time faster than last year even though cars have less downforce.

  6. Eggry (@eggry) said on 16th April 2011, 8:34

    Another 2004? No!!

  7. Ean said on 16th April 2011, 8:36

    If it was only the car then there should have been two Redbulls on the front row at every race this year

  8. RandomChimp (@randomchimp) said on 16th April 2011, 8:37

    Oh dear, I predicted Webber 2nd and Heidfeld 5th in the race…

    • Alex Bkk (@alex-bkk) said on 16th April 2011, 8:55

      Ouch….Then again, I’m so confident in my predictions that I’m suggesting to Keith that he contact Virgin, Air Asia or Kingfisher and suggest to them that they provide a round trip air fares to and from Silverstone for the winner of the predictions competition in exchange for a spot of advertising on this glorious blog.

      :)

    • OukilF1 (@oukilf1) said on 16th April 2011, 18:05

      same here, but swapped HEI with PET ;)

  9. David-A (@david-a) said on 16th April 2011, 8:38

    18th pole for Vettel as Webber qualifies 18th.

  10. Alex Bkk (@alex-bkk) said on 16th April 2011, 8:40

    Vettel on pole again but Webber slumps to 18th

    That’s not a slump, that’s falling into the abyss.

  11. silencer (@silencer) said on 16th April 2011, 8:42

    thanks to renault, Q2 is so heart pumping.
    Don’t why renault decide to go out very late at Q2 and eventually cost them Q3 for heidfeld.

  12. Oh dear... said on 16th April 2011, 8:43

    Catch him if you can then…

  13. Phil said on 16th April 2011, 8:44

    No way dave ! I have`nt heard Bruno yet cos I was listening to Radio 5, but no way can it be worse than EJ, the man is the biggest joke of a pundit in any sport ever. And people thought Blundell was bad. He is the worst thing about the BBC coverage. What I also don`t understand is why they have to end the show so soon after the end of quali, delayed Q2 or not. And what comes on next ? News. In fact just the BBC News channel, but on BBC1. What is the point in that ?

  14. DaveW said on 16th April 2011, 8:46

    I like how Hamilton was so chuffed at having hoarded the maximum number of tires tomorrow, never mind the massive gap to Vettel. Unless those extra tires are going to be strapped to Vettel’s wings, not going to matter.

  15. mild7nick said on 16th April 2011, 8:50

    Im sorry but Im still far from convinced that these tyres are good for F1. I dont think its even a case of who can look after them best, they just suit certain driving styles very well and its pot luck if you get a duff set. I feel sorry for Webber as the Red Bull is easily fast enough on hards to get through Q1 but he has been let down by inconsistent pirelli’s.

    Tyres arent good for racing the drivers cant race on them, F1 isnt endurance racing and it saddens me that so many on here think these pirelli’s are good for the sport.

    • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 16th April 2011, 8:56

      305km over 100+ minutes sounds like an endurance to me.

      • leslexx said on 16th April 2011, 9:33

        @mild7nick
        This is so true. anyone that think this new tyres are anything positive to F1 is another think coming. F1 is not endurance racing for crying out loud!

        • wigster (@wigster) said on 16th April 2011, 13:16

          But compared to a lot of forms of motorsport an F1 race is a lot longer both in terms of time and distance. Even in shorter type events, british touring cars and moto gp to name 2, tyre management is still an important aspect in getting a good result.

          • BBT (@bbt) said on 16th April 2011, 17:03

            @mild7nick totally agree the tyres are cÂŁ&p and not good for the sport.
            Driver can’t do anything about a ‘duff’ set, I assume that was Webbers main problem.

            People talking about drives making a difference on these tyre haven’t got a clue. Yes you can destroy your race but not the opposite, you can’t stop them falling off the cliff, its more car and set-up dependant.

    • Alex Bkk (@alex-bkk) said on 16th April 2011, 9:04

      How was that any different to Goodyear, Bridgestone or Michelin?

      Webber is the driver. Ultimately, it’s his call what tyres to run on. I can’t even blame his team for this.

      He chose wrongly.

      Didn’t hurt Vettel,Button or Hamilton a bit.

      I don’t understand you blaming the tyres for Webber’s dreadful performance.

    • Alex Bkk (@alex-bkk) said on 16th April 2011, 9:07

      Poll is faster than last years on Bridgestones and with a double decked diffuser.

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