FIA confirms December 11th date for Indian GP

2011 Indian Grand Prix

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The FIA has set a date of December 11th for this year’s Indian Grand Prix.

The FIA’s website has already been updated to reflect the new schedule.

An FIA spokesperson told F1 Fanatic “let’s say that for the moment, it’s official”.

The new date increases the length of the calendar by two weeks. The Indian Grand Prix takes over from the Brazilian round as the season finale.

The race, to be held at the Buddh International Circuit, was moved to the end of the calendar to make way for the reinstated Bahrain Grand Prix.

The FIA announced on Friday that Bahrian would take the date given to India, and moved the Indian round to an unspecified date at the end of the season.

However there is serious doubt over whether this arrangement will hold as F1 teams have told the FIA they will not accept an extension of the calendar.

According to the FIA’s International Sporting Code, changes to the calendar must have the support of all the teams.

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87 comments on FIA confirms December 11th date for Indian GP

  1. Sherlock said on 9th June 2011, 10:20

    “let’s say that for the moment, it’s official”

    Nice!

    It would be nice to hear from a doctor: “Let’s say that for the moment, you are dead”

  2. apeman (@apeman) said on 9th June 2011, 10:23

    There’s stubbornness, and then there’s the FIA :/

  3. Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 9th June 2011, 10:25

    Astounding. Unless FOTA’s letter isn’t what we’ve been led to believe, what on earth are they playing at? Scratch that, what are they playing at anyway? It’s not official until approved. Since we haven’t heard of any approval, it can’t be official, not even ‘for the moment’.

    The FIA just never learns, does it?

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th June 2011, 10:43

      waiting for the Silverstone meeting to sign off the fact it was stupid to begin with? Making this even more embaressing for the FIA?

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th June 2011, 11:02

      Unless FOTA’s letter isn’t what we’ve been led to believe, what on earth are they playing at?

      Because FOTA’s letter does not count as a vote. It’s simply an expression of their intentions. FOTA won’t vote until the next meeting – and they can’t vote until the FIA put forward a formal proposition, which they have now done.

      • Hamish said on 9th June 2011, 11:21

        Well a formal proposal means nothing. If they don’t want to go to Bahrain, then the Bahrain GP can’t be rescheduled – regardless of what the proposal contains.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th June 2011, 11:29

          Well a formal proposal means nothing.

          Actually, it means everything. The teams can’t vote if there is nothing to vote for. Because there are so many possible combinations (ie, cancel Bahrain outright, have Bahrain in Ocotber and India in December, have India in October and Bahrain in December, etc.), the FIA need to approach the teams and say “this is what we think the best solution it”, and the teams vote on it from there. Rule 66 was never ignored, it simply hadn’t been carried out yet, but everyone jumped on it. FOTA won’t vote on Bahrain until they have an actual meeting.

          • Hamish said on 9th June 2011, 11:47

            But you’re missing my point. All words coming out of FOTA say no to Bahrain. If thats the case then India is still in October, no Bahrain in 2011.

            You can’t vote on a proposal if nothing has changed, bearing in mind that nothing can be changed without the teams consent. Given the teams haven’t approved anything, nothing has changed. As at right now, Bahrain isn’t on the 2011 calender and India is in October.

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th June 2011, 12:18

            All words coming out of FOTA say no to Bahrain.

            And FOTA’s don’t have any weight until they officially declare their position by voting.

            As at right now, Bahrain isn’t on the 2011 calender and India is in October.

            The calendar produced by the FIA shows that Bahrain is on it. The FIA control the calendar, not FOTA. FOTA have the power to influence it, and if they officially vote no to restoring the race, it will be removed again.

            You’re acting as if FOTA have absolute power over everything. They do not. They only have conditional power – they can influence things under certain conditions, but those conditions have not been met until they cast their votes.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th June 2011, 12:29

            PM, I have been following this discusion for a while. Now let me ask you: with whom or when will FOTA vote to make it a “real” vote?

            Their official statement on this matter was already sent to FIA, FOM and BIC. If 11 out of 12 teams have now clearly stated they do not agree, what vote would be needed?

            If anything (and based on that article 66), the FIA would need to ask the teams to agree with a proposal unanimously before they can have any meaningfull vote on it.

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th June 2011, 12:32

            Now let me ask you: with whom or when will FOTA vote to make it a “real” vote?

            At their next meeting. When they actually vote. The letter was their intentions.

          • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 9th June 2011, 14:24

            Okay:

            Until and unless FOTA votes yes at their next meeting, there is nothing official about the proposals.

            Happy?

          • Mike said on 9th June 2011, 22:38

            Well, apart from PM showing us how the FIA can be so equally pedantic…..

            Guys I wouldn’t be so sure on FOTA saying no, I just wouldn’t. How do we know this issue isn’t just being used for political capital?

            None of the teams directly have come out and said no to Bahrain. no, they are hiding behind FOTA to do it, so I suspect, they will fold if the right deal is made. And it sounds like the FIA wants to make that deal.

      • Rob said on 9th June 2011, 11:23

        It might have been clearer if the FIA had announced that they ‘propose’ the Indian GP is held on the 11th of December. When they keep ‘confirming’ things it gives the impression it is settled, rather than being subject to agreement.

        When someone in a meeting puts forward an suggestion for a course of action, they don’t just say “I have confirmed this will happen” until everyone that needs to has agreed to it.

        It’s as if they are worried about being seen as not important so they march around announcing what is going to happen, and then look stupid when everyone else tells them where to go.

      • John H said on 9th June 2011, 15:05

        That’s right. FOTA as a body are barely recognised by the FIA I think.

      • Guilherme (@the_philosopher) said on 9th June 2011, 15:15

        You seem to be falling in some pretty bad contradictions here PM (in fact, that has been the case since this whole Bahrain subject started back in february).

        The FIA can’t change the calendar midway through a season without the unanimous agreement of all teams. The teams weren’t consulted (and as it turned out to be, most of them were against the reinstatement), therefore the FIA couldn’t have confirmed the reschedule. They should have proposed it to them and then voted with all teams. It seems pretty clear to me.

        They were clearly breeching their own regulations, but anyway, I’m sure you’re going to find a way to distort I’ve said and what the regulations state.

    • mvi said on 9th June 2011, 15:53

      To Icthyes, the letters are on the FIA website now.

  4. The Dutch Bear (@the-dutch-bear) said on 9th June 2011, 10:28

    The FIA is going to bite the dust here or should I say “the sand”.

  5. Now now… Stop that, it’s getting far too silly!

  6. Gill said on 9th June 2011, 10:30

    Why ???? If Bahrain isnt happening, wats the need of postponing the Indian GP…. Insane people.. Just foolish

    • AdrianMorse said on 9th June 2011, 10:37

      Bahrain is on the calendar as well. No-one from the FIA has said that Bahrain won’t go through.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th June 2011, 10:46

        might be a while to wait for the next scheduled WMSC meeting then?

        Prepostorous, what about travel plans for people actually wanting to go to a race, planned concerts etc.
        What are the FIA trying to do, do they think the hole dug up is not yet big enough?

        • bosyber said on 9th June 2011, 13:56

          Some kind of scorched earth tactic to get rid of visitors for India (knowing Bahrain won’t happen?) – India has already found unfixable (within a year) faults of the grandstand buckling variety, so better to not have any visitors at the race and have it all VIPs and the television?

          Weird stuff – we had a period of seeming sanity under Todt, but now we are back to the normal inconsistent and seemingly arbitrary FIA we knew was still there, behind the facade?

          • HounslowBusGarage said on 9th June 2011, 14:55

            Bosyber, where did you read about the grandstand problems? And when were JayPee aware of the problem?

        • An extraordinary WMSC meeting would take 5 weeks to convene; I’m not sure if there’s a scheduled one before then.

        • CarsVsChildren (@carsvschildren) said on 9th June 2011, 16:01

          Didn’t they announce that Metallica were headlining the Indian GP afterconcert?

          They wouldn’t be a cheap band to cancel on…

  7. TrueF1Grit (@truef1grit) said on 9th June 2011, 10:34

    The last line,

    “According to the FIA’s International Sporting Code, changes to the calendar must have the support of all the teams.”

    may cause issues, Ross Brawn has already said he doesn’t want it running into December, saying that it’s not unlike for anybody to change their minds in F1.

    • Adrian J (@adrian-j) said on 9th June 2011, 11:29

      And Autosport has an interview with Adam Parr stating that Williams will not support a change to the calendar on the basis of logistics – not just for the teams, but for fans who, as he says, have booked a 2 week holiday in India to coincide with the GP on 30th October only to be told actually the race will be a month and a half later.

      • TrueF1Grit (@truef1grit) said on 9th June 2011, 11:56

        I was about to post the same interview, its understandable, on a lot of F1 websites i’ve seen many comments of people who have spent (a lot) of money travelling to India for the Grand Prix which they cannot refund.

  8. silencer said on 9th June 2011, 10:39

    why Bahrain just can’t wait till next year or maybe Buddh international circuit not really ready for 30th oct?

    • zecks said on 9th June 2011, 11:02

      i seriously doubt that the indian gp will be ready for october, just think about was a debacle the commonwealth games were http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/jennymccartney/8025052/This-Commonwealth-Games-debacle-wounds-the-pride-of-India.html

      • Sijs said on 9th June 2011, 11:32

        Its been said time and again. I will repeat. organizers of the CWG are not the same as the Buddh circuit. They are far more competent. Judging by yesterday’s pics from the circuit, the track is almost complete just needs a bit of tidying up. May be, just may be the roof won’t be on time. But, we Indians don’t mind a bit of sun…

        • Todfod (@todfod) said on 9th June 2011, 12:05

          To be honest.. I got a little insider info from a friend working for the Jaypee group (company responsible for the construction and hosting of the event), and they had serious doubts about getting the circuit ready in time for the race anyways.

          To people living in India it comes as no surprise that the circuit isn’t ready. If they have the circuit ready and running for the race in 2014, I think they would have done a pretty good job by Indian standards.

        • zecks said on 9th June 2011, 12:50

          @Sijs – Can you give a link to these new photos? I have been working in construction for 8 years so would like to see for myself how much is left to be done.

          • bosyber said on 9th June 2011, 14:03

            skyscrapercity thread And the 10 pages before that one. Keith mentioned them in yesterday’s round-up too.

            Sadly, at the moment, the guys (free?) photobucket bandwith seems to have been exhausted by people looking at the pics, see the last few post there. But hopefully that resolves soon.

            The pics are quite interesting, but hard to judge (for me, not being in construction), so it would be nice to have someone with more knowledge comment on them.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th June 2011, 14:10

            someone loaded the pictures onto facebook now.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th June 2011, 14:19

            here is a link to that facebook page.

  9. debaser91 said on 9th June 2011, 10:41

    As much as I would love a Grand Prix on my birthday this is getting beyond a joke now. No one wants Bahrain apart from Todt and the Bahrain GP organisers so why should the Indian Grand Prix be moved.

    • Sherlock said on 9th June 2011, 11:01

      I want Bahrain GP – at end of the calendar. Switching Indian GP from 30. October is very rude against people.

      Rescheduling Bahrain to end of season – 50/50 – if no one will watch it anyway (as everyone here is a saint) + judging by Vettel performance everything will be clear at that point – it won’t harm to race there.

      • Rob said on 9th June 2011, 12:05

        The teams have said it will harm them by forcing their staff to work on the 2011 season until almost Christmas giving them essentially no break before next season’s work starts.

        If the championship is decided and nobody is going to watch then you are saying the FIA should schedule an expensive and pointless race purely for your entertainment alone. Well I can’t see the teams voting against that for a second.

        • Aren’t all of the races expensive, and arguably pointless? Only held for the entertainment of the fans? If so, then yes lets have Bahrain as well.

          • Mark Hitchcock said on 9th June 2011, 16:50

            No. They’re held to make money for the teams and CVC. The sport is a business, and as such it’s the money, not the entertainment, that matters most to a lot of the people involved.

            And in that respect you’d think some of the teams might want/need an extra GP at the end of the year in order to move up in the constructor’s championship and win themselves a larger stake in the profits.

  10. Rob said on 9th June 2011, 10:58

    Is this the most optimistic use of the word ‘confirm’ in history?

  11. dave said on 9th June 2011, 11:01

    What with all the Tilke clones around the world why don’t they hold two races in India, call one of them the Bahrain gp, and see if anyone notices?

  12. TheVillainF1 (@thevillainf1) said on 9th June 2011, 11:16

    can we please just focus on the racing again? Just cancel Bahrain already, see if it can come back next year. The more I think of it the more it seems this was all how FIA and Bernie wanted it to play out: ‘We want to go to Bahrain ,but the teams don’t. Sorry, we still love you but our hands are tied.’ Cowards. Bahrain’s rulers are shooting themselves in the foot wanting F1 back this year as a PR coup so they can keep saying ‘All is normal in Bahrain’. They are so careful to avoid scrutiny by the press yet attract all this attention to them by clinging onto the GP. It isn’t all normal in Bahrain, it may indeed be calm now, but it will only be normal when protesters are out of jail, get their jobs back,when the army is in their barracks, the Saudis back home, and the police carrying on normal duties not anti riots.

  13. BrownyNSW said on 9th June 2011, 11:20

    Got to consider the Brazillian GP organisers aswell, they’ve probably advertised their race to sponsers and indeed fans as the “season finale” which is quite a big selling point. Probably won’t matter to much given Vettel’s probably going to have the championship wrapped up well and truly by then. I don’t know about you guys but I like the idea of the relaxed, warm, fun Australian GP opener, and the party, atmosphere packed Brazillian GP finale. These Tilke tracks with low, seemingly uninterested fans just seems like a let down too me.

  14. wasiF1 said on 9th June 2011, 11:21

    Two things whether they will host the Bahrain GP or may be the Indian GP won’t be on time to stage the race.

  15. Chippie said on 9th June 2011, 11:29

    I bet this confirmation will be overturned in precisely 7 days, does anyone else wan’t to make a prediction?

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