Teams mix set-ups expecting rain on Sunday

2011 Canadian GP qualifying analysis

Nick Heidfeld, Renault, Montreal, 2011

Nick Heidfeld, Renault, Montreal, 2011

With rain expected for tomorrow’s race, some teams have compromised the set-ups on their cars to maximise their chances.

The results can be seen in the data from qualifying, with drivers running more downforce finding their cars slower on the main straight.

And the question is, will it pay off for them in the race?

Qualifying times in full

  • Only two drivers failed to improve their times from Q1 to Q2 – Adrian Sutil and Rubens Barrichello
  • Sebastian Vettel lap time was eight-tenths of a second off the fastest ever lap of the current configuration of the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, a 1’12.275 by Ralf Schumacher in 2004
Driver Car Q1 Q2 (vs Q1) Q3 (vs Q2)
1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1’14.011 1’13.486 (-0.525) 1’13.014 (-0.472)
2 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’13.822 1’13.672 (-0.150) 1’13.199 (-0.473)
3 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1’14.026 1’13.431 (-0.595) 1’13.217 (-0.214)
4 Mark Webber Red Bull 1’14.375 1’13.654 (-0.721) 1’13.429 (-0.225)
5 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1’14.114 1’13.926 (-0.188) 1’13.565 (-0.361)
6 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1’14.920 1’13.950 (-0.970) 1’13.814 (-0.136)
7 Jenson Button McLaren 1’14.374 1’13.955 (-0.419) 1’13.838 (-0.117)
8 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1’14.970 1’14.242 (-0.728) 1’13.864 (-0.378)
9 Nick Heidfeld Renault 1’15.096 1’14.467 (-0.629) 1’14.062 (-0.405)
10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1’14.699 1’14.354 (-0.345) 1’14.085 (-0.269)
11 Paul di Resta Force India 1’14.874 1’14.752 (-0.122)
12 Pastor Maldonado Williams 1’15.585 1’15.043 (-0.542)
13 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 1’15.694 1’15.285 (-0.409)
14 Adrian Sutil Force India 1’14.931 1’15.287 (+0.356)
15 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso 1’15.901 1’15.334 (-0.567)
16 Rubens Barrichello Williams 1’15.331 1’15.361 (+0.030)
17 Pedro de la Rosa Sauber 1’16.229 1’15.587 (-0.642)
18 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 1’16.294
19 Jarno Trulli Lotus 1’16.745
20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus 1’16.786
21 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT 1’18.424
22 Timo Glock Virgin 1’18.537
23 Narain Karthikeyan HRT 1’18.574
24 Jerome d’Ambrosio Virgin 1’19.414

Team mate comparisons

Compare the best times of each team’s drivers in the last part of qualifying in which they both set a time.

  • Paul di Resta beat Adrian Sutil for the sixth time in seven races, by half a second. Sutil said: “I made a mistake in the hairpin on my last lap. I hit a bump under braking which caused the rear tyres to lock and I slid wide”.
  • Fernando Alonso maintained his unbeaten record against Felipe Massa but it was much closer between the two Ferrari drivers
Team Driver Lap time Gap Lap time Driver Round
Red Bull Sebastian Vettel 1’13.014 -0.415 1’13.429 Mark Webber Q3
McLaren Lewis Hamilton 1’13.565 -0.273 1’13.838 Jenson Button Q3
Ferrari Fernando Alonso 1’13.199 -0.018 1’13.217 Felipe Massa Q3
Mercedes Michael Schumacher 1’13.864 +0.050 1’13.814 Nico Rosberg Q3
Renault Nick Heidfeld 1’14.062 -0.023 1’14.085 Vitaly Petrov Q3
Williams Rubens Barrichello 1’15.361 +0.318 1’15.043 Pastor Maldonado Q2
Force India Adrian Sutil 1’15.287 +0.535 1’14.752 Paul di Resta Q2
Sauber Kamui Kobayashi 1’15.285 -0.302 1’15.587 Pedro de la Rosa Q2
Toro Rosso Sebastien Buemi 1’15.901 -0.393 1’16.294 Jaime Alguersuari Q1
Lotus Heikki Kovalainen 1’16.786 +0.041 1’16.745 Jarno Trulli Q1
HRT Narain Karthikeyan 1’18.574 +0.150 1’18.424 Vitantonio Liuzzi Q1
Virgin Timo Glock 1’18.537 -0.877 1’19.414 Jerome d’Ambrosio Q1

Sector times

Here are the drivers? best times in each sector.

  • Once again, Vettel was the fastest driver in all three sectors
  • Mark Webber’s KERS problem cost him the most time down the long straight in sector three
  • Renault confirmed Nick Heidfeld is carrying more downforce than Vitaly Petrov in anticipation of rain tomorrow, which is reflected in their contrasting sector times
  • Likewise McLaren, despite Jenson Button’s words to the contrary, are believed to have run with more downforce. Martin Whitmarsh said: “Perhaps our cars had a little bit too much downforce for today?s qualifying session, which was dry; but, if it rains tomorrow, which is what the weather forecast tells us it will probably do, then we should be in good shape”
Driver Sector 1 Sector 2 Sector 3
Sebastian Vettel 20.258 (1) 23.195 (1) 29.401 (1)
Fernando Alonso 20.292 (3) 23.404 (3) 29.474 (2)
Felipe Massa 20.286 (2) 23.381 (2) 29.485 (3)
Mark Webber 20.339 (5) 23.430 (4) 29.660 (8)
Lewis Hamilton 20.402 (6) 23.472 (5) 29.659 (7)
Nico Rosberg 20.419 (7) 23.683 (9) 29.573 (4)
Jenson Button 20.310 (4) 23.589 (6) 29.687 (9)
Michael Schumacher 20.430 (8) 23.680 (8) 29.618 (6)
Nick Heidfeld 20.620 (9) 23.604 (7) 29.838 (11)
Vitaly Petrov 20.668 (10) 23.736 (10) 29.608 (5)
Paul di Resta 20.910 (15) 24.021 (14) 29.721 (10)
Pastor Maldonado 20.802 (12) 23.911 (11) 30.330 (17)
Kamui Kobayashi 20.834 (13) 24.124 (16) 30.089 (13)
Adrian Sutil 20.851 (14) 23.976 (13) 29.906 (12)
Sebastien Buemi 20.950 (16) 24.138 (17) 30.245 (14)
Rubens Barrichello 20.774 (11) 23.964 (12) 30.303 (16)
Pedro de la Rosa 20.964 (17) 24.021 (14) 30.362 (18)
Jaime Alguersuari 21.289 (18) 24.555 (19) 30.267 (15)
Jarno Trulli 21.427 (19) 24.700 (20) 30.605 (19)
Heikki Kovalainen 21.528 (20) 24.452 (18) 30.676 (20)
Vitantonio Liuzzi 21.938 (21) 25.221 (23) 31.152 (22)
Timo Glock 21.942 (22) 25.183 (21) 31.266 (23)
Narain Karthikeyan 22.147 (23) 25.185 (22) 31.093 (21)
Jerome d’Ambrosio 22.312 (24) 25.548 (24) 31.554 (24)

Speed trap

Here are the drivers? maximum speeds.

  • Lewis Hamilton believes he is in good shape for the race despite his low straight-line speed. He said: “We?re losing a couple of tenths along the back straight, which hurt us in qualifying. We?ve got a long seventh gear ?ǣ a bit too long for qualifying perhaps ?ǣ but that should be good for overtaking and will be a help when I?m slipstreaming as it means I won?t be on the limiter.”
Pos Driver Car Speed (kph) Gap
1 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 324.2
2 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso 323.6 -0.6
3 Adrian Sutil Force India 322.0 -2.2
4 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 321.3 -2.9
5 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 321.3 -2.9
6 Paul di Resta Force India 320.5 -3.7
7 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 320.0 -4.2
8 Vitaly Petrov Renault 319.8 -4.4
9 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 319.6 -4.6
10 Nick Heidfeld Renault 319.5 -4.7
11 Felipe Massa Ferrari 319.3 -4.9
12 Mark Webber Red Bull 318.3 -5.9
13 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus 316.8 -7.4
14 Jarno Trulli Lotus 316.7 -7.5
15 Jenson Button McLaren 316.7 -7.5
16 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT 316.0 -8.2
17 Rubens Barrichello Williams 315.4 -8.8
18 Pastor Maldonado Williams 315.2 -9.0
19 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 314.5 -9.7
20 Narain Karthikeyan HRT 314.3 -9.9
21 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 312.7 -11.5
22 Timo Glock Virgin 312.4 -11.8
23 Pedro de la Rosa Sauber 311.1 -13.1
24 Jerome d’Ambrosio Virgin 307.6 -16.6

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47 comments on Teams mix set-ups expecting rain on Sunday

  1. Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 11th June 2011, 23:51

    I find it strange Mclaren are effectively gambling on what should be their strongest circuit, but perhaps they expected everyone else to do the same?

    I think back to last year when Button “gambled” on a higher downforce set-up but in reality, it was everyone else gambling. We might be proven wrong again tomorrow.

    • Alistair said on 12th June 2011, 1:32

      Never underestimate McLaren’s ability to ruin the race of their drivers. Whether it’s strategy, pits, or whatever, McLaren have made too many mistakes and taken too many pointless risks.

      As you say, why would they gamble on what should be one o their very best tracks? Given that their race pace is strong, they could qualify near (or ahead) of Vettel and then race him. Instead, they have taken a risk to either be embarrasingly slow or dominate the race!? What they should aim to do is to win by as little as possible, thereby reducing the risk of strategy and the danger of crashing or overworking the car. They don’t need to dominate: a win is a win is a win. They certainly don’t need to be swamped by the pack…

      • snafu said on 12th June 2011, 8:29

        i don’t think they would have their advantage in rain… considering the DRS ban in wet condition and red bull’s general downforce

        but i’m not sure…

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 12th June 2011, 6:44

      From what I read, they might just have not brought the perfect package here. Maybe lucking into having rain rather than choosing to setup for it.

      • Hatebreeder (@hatebreeder) said on 12th June 2011, 8:41

        well it’s raining out here in india like crazy. maybe i could set up a fan and blow some of the clouds over?

        I havent seen sunlight since morning!

        • leslexx said on 12th June 2011, 10:06

          its raining here in Nigeria like crazy as well and is Sunday 10am. perhaps i could follow your cue and blow some cloud over, lol

          • Malos said on 12th June 2011, 10:25

            I did not know there are F1 fans from Nigeria on this Blog, i thot i was the only one for a while.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 12th June 2011, 10:39

            Its raining here in CE Europe as well, so i guess all of us just need to send a bit over.

          • timi said on 12th June 2011, 11:33

            And here in London! Gosh, it seems like Montreal’s just waiting to catch up with the rest of us!!

      • OldIron said on 12th June 2011, 10:11

        I watched the Whitmarsh interview in qualifying; he certainly didn’t give the entire story about the choice of setup.

        Actually he looked as though he’d realised just in time he was about to give something away, and then started talking about percentages and how it made sense.

    • Mename2332 said on 12th June 2011, 9:57

      Check the BBC weather it’s predicting heavy storms during the race, so Mclaren may yet be vindicated

    • Fixy (@fixy) said on 12th June 2011, 11:03

      We should discuss this tomorrow. Ferrari have ran a dry setup because the track was dry, McLaren have run a wet setup because the track might be wet today.
      Ferrari have set up their cars according to the actual conditions, McLaren according to possible conditions.

  2. dyslexicbunny said on 12th June 2011, 0:10

    I am somewhat surprised at how badly sutil is getting owned by his teammates. It isn’t even remotely close on Saturdays.

    Also nice to see ferrari back to form. If mclaren is going to gamble on setup and it fails, hopefully ferrari can take the fight to red bull.

    • TFLB said on 12th June 2011, 0:15

      It is actually close when tou consider mistakes and luck. Usually if you add Sutil’s sectors together they’ll be about equal. He’s only have been less than one tenth off if he’s repeated his q1 time in q2.

    • Lemon (@lemon) said on 12th June 2011, 10:23

      What are you talking about? I am suprised by how much Di Resta is owning!! i dont know why you used plural with teamates, Sutil always used to beat his team mates in previous years!

  3. Calum said on 12th June 2011, 0:10

    Mclaren need another get out of jail free card, they’re going to look foolish if it’s dry tomorrow… Imagine sacrificing raw speed in 2-DRS Montreal.

    But I understand the need for an out of the ordinary strategy, what else can they do when they can’t beat RedBull in normal circumstances?

    • mikef said on 12th June 2011, 1:15

      They could split their strategy and have one car on wet and the other on dry. That way they are guaranteed to be right once.

  4. DVC said on 12th June 2011, 0:46

    I doubted Hamilton at the start of last year. Took him more than a minute…

  5. DVC said on 12th June 2011, 0:47

    How close are some of these times!? There is half a tenth between Rosberg and Schumacher, and Button is between them!

    • Alistair said on 12th June 2011, 1:35

      But there’s no surprise as to who’s on pole… It’s got so bad, I was almost cheering for Alonso.

      • Novotny said on 12th June 2011, 3:19

        Me too -and I can’t stand him.

        • DVC said on 12th June 2011, 7:17

          And in fifteen years time everyone will be talking about how good the Vettel Red-Bull combination was and how it was a privilege to watch!

          • DMC said on 12th June 2011, 8:29

            Or that vettel had no competition.

          • Antranik (@antranik) said on 12th June 2011, 9:00

            Only if this lasts for a few more years and they will also be talking about how he didn’t have any competition or how how he had a supreme car etc.

          • Franton said on 12th June 2011, 10:10

            You gotta be kidding right? I still remember Senna walking away with it in 1998 and was thoroughly BORED by that season. Same for Mansell in 1992 when he was lapping his own teammate in 2nd place regularly … and I was a big Mansell fan!

            Unrivalled domination in any sport is not good viewing, unless you’re a rabid fanboi for that team and/or driver.

          • GameR_K said on 14th June 2011, 7:25

            Senna walking away with it in 1998 and was thoroughly BORED by that season

            BORED – I would be SCARED, definetly not BORED

      • leslexx said on 12th June 2011, 10:13

        I almost was too. Oh God! what is F1 turning into in 2011? No real competition?

  6. The Last Pope said on 12th June 2011, 1:23

    I think Sauber still have the Monaco setup on the by accident lol. Gambling on full wet setup?

    • Alistair said on 12th June 2011, 1:38

      Whereas, McLaren are gambling on a moderately moist track…? They should have done exactly what the RBRs did: then, they would have a good chance of beating them tomorrow. Now, they’ve given themselves a lot of work to do; and a lot of luck to play its part.

    • MemorableC said on 12th June 2011, 14:33

      they smashed all there Montreal parts this weekend, they must have been using some parts from the last race

  7. F1fan55 said on 12th June 2011, 2:31

    How much KERS-related bad luck can one man have? Hopefully Webber recovers tomorrow.
    Vettel just continues to amaze though…

  8. US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 12th June 2011, 3:17

    As far as rain… has a 50% chance of rain shown at race start, but 70% chance a couple hours before, so even if it doesn’t rain during the race, there’s a good chance the rubber will all be washed off the track…

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 12th June 2011, 10:35

      yeah, looks like slippery is for certain, with a bit of everyone looking for rain to decide their stops and maybe a wed/dry/wet race.

  9. Himmat S. said on 12th June 2011, 5:13

    Hamilton: “We’re losing a couple of tenths along the back straight, which hurt us in qualifying. We’ve got a long seventh gear – a bit too long for qualifying perhaps – but that should be good for overtaking and will be a help when I’m slipstreaming as it means I won’t be on the limiter.”

    Can anybody explain to me what that means? A long seventh gear? Does that mean he actually has a much higher top speed, just that it will take longer for him to reach there? And that with the double DRS available to him, he will pass through the cars ahead? Thanks.

    • DMC said on 12th June 2011, 8:35

      As i understand it longer gear ratios compromise acceleration, so its fine having a long seventh gear but you may run out of road before you get the benefit.

      • timi said on 12th June 2011, 11:31

        Yeah DMC’s explained it perfectly. In addition though; you’ll receive an increased benefit if slipstreaming someone..

  10. geo132 (@geo132) said on 12th June 2011, 6:34

    What about the tires? who have ( & how many) fresh tires? Of course that is relevant only if it will be a dry race..

    • Andy said on 12th June 2011, 11:37

      I’m not sure but I think it will be less relevant here. Many teams were able to maintain performance on the super softs for 20 laps in practice – hence the 3/4 runs in Q3.

  11. ScottishNotBritish said on 12th June 2011, 9:47

    Another great performance from Di Resta. Last year Sutil outqualified his teammate Liuzzi 16-to-3. Di Resta is now 6-to-1 up on Sutil…

    The most impressive F1 debut since Lewis Hamilton?

    • ScottishNotBritish said on 12th June 2011, 9:52

      And Liuzzi is 7-to-0 up on Karthikeyan this year… By my calculations that makes Paul ten thousand times a better driver than Narain. Haha.

      • Lemon (@lemon) said on 12th June 2011, 10:28

        Di resta to replace Webber at RedBull or Schumacer at Merc!

      • Solo (@solo) said on 12th June 2011, 12:57

        Yes but look at the difference this time. So small between the Indian and Luizzi. This just shows Liuzzi is slow and that HRT might have from half to a whole second more pace in the hands of a Hamilton or Alonso.

  12. AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 12th June 2011, 11:34

    Seems RBR have Montreal sorted. Fastest through all 3 sectors is impressive for such a high downforce machine, particularly sector 3.

  13. ogunwumiju ayo said on 12th June 2011, 12:37

    @ lesleeXX. Can’t believe that there’s another f1fanatic in Nigeria. I’m gonna catch the race on Supersport. The one with the BBC audio feed from DC and MB. I think we’re gonna see a partially wet race. I’ve been looking a lot meterological data from NASA, the Met office, and local amerian radar data and it might well rain (80% probability)

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