Fernando Alonso, Felipe Massa, Montreal, 2011

Ferrari: Alonso rues ‘bad luck’ after retiring

2011 Canadian GP team review

Both Ferrari drivers were unhappy after the Canadian Grand Prix.

Fernando Alonso Felipe Massa
Qualifying position 2 3
Qualifying time comparison (Q3) 1’13.199 (-0.018) 1’13.217
Race position 6
Laps 36/70 70/70
Pit stops 3 4

Ferrari drivers’ lap times throughout the race (in seconds):

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70
Fernando Alonso 139.168 126.647 125.172 125.232 98.121 97.013 95.948 103.3 127.511 128.343 127.364 121.785 94.797 94.223 94.982 95.076 110.039 95.932 119.412 113.439 108.588 105.88 123.339 137.16 141.27 126.322 122.962 122.573 122.626 121.163 121.963 122.057 120.033 95.448 110.345
Felipe Massa 140.805 126.228 125.135 124.651 97.883 96.92 96.269 103.706 127.003 128.386 127.712 121.394 95.045 94.602 94.951 95.108 95.29 94.234 99.805 108.574 120.035 118.936 131.512 136.547 140.31 126.765 124.313 121.83 123.43 120.97 122.01 122.429 121.221 94.391 106.957 108.452 115.213 125.09 124.422 92.014 91.325 90.571 90.575 89.69 88.756 89.521 88.041 87.52 88.424 90.835 101.817 123.375 92.223 83.526 85.089 103.468 100.549 92.81 118.24 88.015 83.026 81.888 81.376 82.383 80.721 81.576 79.148 81.151 79.919
Fernando Alonso, Felipe Massa, Montreal, 2011
Fernando Alonso, Felipe Massa, Montreal, 2011

Fernando Alonso

Alonso was quickest in the disrupted second practice session. He snatched second on the grid from his team mate at the end of qualifying by less than two hundredths of a second.

He made a concerted effort to pass Sebastian Vettel at the start of the race, but after that dropped back from the Red Bull.

Alonso took the plunge and switched to intermediate tyres on lap 17, while Massa did not. Although he picked off Nick Heidfeld on his first lap out of the pits, two laps later he was back in for wets as the rain returned.

When the race resumed after the two-hour interruption, Alonso was down in ninth.

He pitted for intermediates again on lap 36, losing more time having to queue behind his team mate, and came out in front of Jenson Button.

Button went down the inside of him at turn three and the pair banged wheels, sending Alonso spinning onto a kerb where his Ferrari became stuck, ending his race.

Afterwards he said: “it?s a real shame because today we really had a good race pace but we were unlucky: that?s not a feeling I have, it?s a fact”.

Fernando Alonso 2011 form guide

Felipe Massa

Out-qualified by Alonso again but was much closer than usual.

He kept pace with Alonso at the start of the race as well, lapping within a second of him.

Massa did not pit for intermediate tyres early on, but did take a second set of wets which dropped him behind Kamui Kobayashi.

Repeated attempts to pass the Sauber finally bore fruit on lap 51. But Michael Schumacher got past them both, leaving Massa in third.

He pitted for slicks on the next lap but spun the car on his out-lap, damaging his front wing and having to pit again.

Now down in 12th, Massa worked his way up into the points. In the final six laps he passed Jaime Alguersuari and Nico Rosberg to take seventh.

Accelerating out of the final corner he used his DRS to beat Kobayashi to the line by 0.045s to claim sixth. Even so, he was unhappy with the result:

“I can?t draw much satisfaction from this sixth place, given the potential we had here.

“My chances of finishing on the podium and also of fighting for the win given how things went, just evaporated when I was passing [Narain] Karthikeyan . He was going very slowly on the dry line but then, as I was passing him on the wet, he accelerated and I lost control of the car ending up in the wall.

“Thanks to the next safety car, I was able to catch up to the pack and then, in the end, I passed a few cars to get as high as sixth. I am angry, there is no point denying it”.

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62 comments on “Ferrari: Alonso rues ‘bad luck’ after retiring”

  1. Alonso and Massa were pretty unlucky with their racing incidents. I would have been great see either or both of them racing alongside Schumacher, Button and Webber for the podium.

    1. Yeah, they drove excellent races.
      I feel especially bad for Massa, as it could’ve been the highlight of his season so far.

      On a side note: I think the Montreal circuit owners should definitely consider making changes to the high curb Alonso was stuck on. There shouldn’t be curbs like that in such part of a corner.

      1. It probably wouldn’t have been an issue in a dry race, I just think so much water had been pushed off the track onto the grass it was like a bog and his wheels just sank.

  2. Alonso took the plunge and switched to intermediate tyres on lap 17, while Massa did not.

    It’s clear Ferrari thought stopping was the best stratgey as they did so with Alonso, and I’m happy that they were wrong.

    1. Actually, I think it was because Alonso seems to have more confidence on the intermediate tyres than the wet tyres. I read somewhere that he would’ve started the race on inters if possible.

      1. No he’s not supposed to let the other car go. He’s just supposed to keep out of its way, which he did. It’s not Narains fault Massa got a bit too right foot happy for the conditions.

      2. The rules (International Sporting Code Appendix H, article only require drivers shown the blue flag to allow the approaching car to pass – it does not say anything about pulling off-line:

        The flag should normally be shown to a car about to be lapped and, when shown, the driver concerned must allow the following car to pass at the earliest opportunity.

        Karthikeyan did not obstruct Massa, he did nothing wrong.

      1. given what massa has recovered from it’s a bit eccentric to suggest he should retire…however if he wasn’t so willing to play second fiddle to alonso ferrari wouldn’t accept his performances so far this year…but he was closer to alonso in qualy and quicker in race pace while FA was on track this weekend

  3. Now I understand where the fuss about lapped acrs comes from. Massa had to go on the damp part of the track to lap Karthikeyan, thus crashing. It would be even common sense by the back-marker to get out of the way and let the others race, as he is going to get lapped anyway.

      1. Wherever that incident was, in the replay you could see he was on track in the corner before the incident. He should’ve seen the Ferrari and pulled over in the wet.

        1. I think you guys are being quite unfair to Narian… He’s trying to make a race for himself as well… Yeah sure it wasn’t his best moment, but it was a long way from the silliest thing a driver has done this weekend.

    1. 100% agreed. Massa basicly had 3 options:

      1)Brake hard and overtake the HRT in the following corner
      2)Try to pass on the left, extremely close to the wall, where it was drier
      3)try to pass on the right, where there was space, but horribly slippery

      Option 2 wasn´t really an option as it would be too tight. Neither was option 1 as he’d lose valuable time. So option 3 it was, which turned out to be too dangerous. In hindsight option 2 would have been the best, which is wrong, because a car being lapped should never force a lapping car to slow down. Felipe was very unlucky, and the incident cost him a very likely podium.

      1. a car being lapped should never force a lapping car to slow down.

        I think the anti-blue flag guys would have something to say about that.

        Massa didn’t really have much of a choice, and it just happens he got it wrong. I don’t think anyone is at fault, it was just one of those things.

      2. I think Massa underestimated just how slow the HRT was out of the previous corner.

        Karthikeyan didn’t break any rules, but it would be nice for him, or other backmarkers, to have the sense to give the dry line to the leaders.

  4. Real shame because on paper Ferrari had the best race pace in dry conditions in FP2.

    Even so they were well positioned to grab a podium for sure – even a win was not out of sight with the track drying up towards the end.

    I seriously don’t know why Alonso took the gamble of intermediates on lap 17 because pretty much everybody knew the rain was coming. They couldn’t have thought they would pass their way up and count on the monsoon and the SC to stop the race and change back to wets. Bad strategic blunder again.

    But it wasn’t fatal, because as we know Button did the same and still went on to a guaranteed podium.

    Massa fusioned bad timing and an own error during the lapping of Karthikeyan. That was fatal from a podium-point of view, but he could even consider himself lucky, he didn’t crashed out altogether when he was a mere passenger in his car for a couple of seconds.

    I expect them to show no mercy in Valencia.

    1. Intermediates on 17th was a childish mistake, but calling both drivers to pits at the same time later on and having FA waiting for Felipe’s change was even worse. And JB deliverately t-boning him LH style was the icing. A horrid weekend for FA but no fault of his own.

      1. As for the pit in the same lap, I’m not sure if that wasn’t the best solution. Maybe Alonso would have lost more time with another lap on the wets. (Well, in hindsight we know it could have spared him from a DNF, but anyway..)

        But yes, maybe the call on inters was the team’s decision, and Fernando was not at fault. It wasn’t that important anyway.

        And yes, he definitely wasn’t at fault in the collision with Jenson.

        So all in all it all went wrong – who knows if he had won in dry conditions. Maybe in Valencia he succeeds.

        1. Lots of Alonso defending here – but isn’t it the case that he should have stayed in the car when he spun out as he could have got a push start given that he was in an unsafe position. It would have saved a safety car and also his race. I’m sure I remember Schumacher exploiting his knowledge of the rules by doing that in the past. I think MB may have suggested that in commentary too.

          1. yes i thought this but he did sit there for a moment and no one went near him so perhaps race control said no.

            i have always wondered about this rule, if you are in an unsafe position you get a push start…ok fair enough but to get that push start you need to drag the marshals into an equally unsafe position. That makes no sense to me.

        1. Probably not intentionally.. but Alonso always seems to get the raw end of all the race incidents with Jenson. Last year in Austarlia Jenson spun Fernando around. This year at Australia again he unintentionally almost pushed Alonso onto the grass and made him lose 4 positions or so, and then again in Canada he takes him out of the race. Its incredibly frustrating to watch Fernando go out like that, as I was sure that whatever Jenson did in the race yesterday, Alonso would have done better.

      2. JB deliverately t-boning

        That’s not how Ferrari themselves saw it, nor the stewards… take another look Button ahead front wing and tyres, before Alonso was exceptional late on the brakes, fair play on cold tyres, Button realised and braked hard but under steered off the kerb into Alonso who by this time was again ahead (rear to front with Button) but there was know where for Button to go… racing incident, it doesn’t matter how many times you look at it, and that was the decision.
        Shame I would of like to of seen what Alonso could of done on the slicks.

      3. Im pretty certain if thats how Fernando saw then he would have been very vocal about it. And just like in Australia 2010, hes kept quiet, so Im inclined to believe that he perceved that as a racing incident as well.

        1. Agreed on both counts. Alonso’s lack of complaint regarding the incident spoke volumes, and he was extremely late on the brakes after JB was beside him. If you watch the onboard from Alonso’s car, it almost sounds like he gets back on the throttle in an effort to squirt ahead to grab the inside line at the second part of the chicane. All in all, very unfortunate for us as he would have been a player toward the end of the race.

  5. In my opinion, like in Monaco, again they made the stupid mistake of allowing the drivers to change tires during red flag. I truly don’t understand that rule, as the cars are suposed to be in “parc ferme”. When the red flag was shown, KOB had 1 pit stop and Massa 2. When they allowed them to change tires, Massa`s advantage dissapeared instantly.
    In any case, I was very well impressed with Ferrari’s pace. Alonso and Massa were very strong the whole weekend and that could be a good sign for the rest of the season.

    1. No they’re in parc ferme conditions from the start of qualifying to the start of the race. After the race starts, you can do whatever you want. Teams don’t, because it takes up too much time.

        1. The rules says that they can do any changes in the car, considering that it doesn’t affect the race progress. I can’t recall which paragraph it would be now.

  6. Interesting to see Alonso so philosophical after being punted out. He could have won this thing, and it’s extra salt in the would to see the driver who punted him take the win. I also think it’s ironic that Alonso was once penalized for hitting a McLaren and only injuring himself. Now he get’s taken out by one and it’s a “racing incident.”

  7. Think the red cars definitely lacked a bit of luck on the race, but didn’t really seem to help themselves. Massa’s wall incident was amateurish, Alonso’s coming together with Button very avoidable regardless of blame. Weekend to forget.

  8. Advice to Massa: When on slicks never go for the wet part..wait wait wait. there was a tiny thin line of dry and Kart was on it. He could not move, could not Massa boy. YOU should have waited a few seconds.
    BTW..don’t try to take back a position by getting into the marbles either.

  9. in this last 2 years Ferrari has had some races to forget after great quallys, we still dont know how far could they have gone in dry conditions or even on this wet race, button made a great race but who knows what alonso could have made in such conditions. Massa proved again to be disasterous a good sign for Ferrari is that When Massas pace is quick they know that they are very strong probably strong enough to win, just like when button is close to Ham we know that Ham has the pace to win.

  10. If I was Massa I should have had punched the steward for allowing HRT in the race,he drove well & I wish better result in the near future,that last duo between him & Koba was great.

  11. Khartikeyan was actually quite decent this weekend, only a tenth off Liuzzi in quali and would’ve finished 14th were it not for a time penalty for cutting a chicane.
    There is one dry line, Massa knew that. He’d have gotten passed the HRT soon enough, hell he probably could have gotten past on the line he did take since the HRT was slow, Massa just put on a tad too much throttle too early, nobody to blame but himself.
    Same for Alonso. Button had the run on him and was level with him in the braking zone, Alonso should have yielded, he knew there wasn’t space for two cars there but decide to try and scare Jenson off and hope he made his car disappear, with disastrous results for both, Alonso out, Button limping back to the pits with a puncture. To call this incident Jenson punting him off is ludicrous.

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