2011 half season driver rankings part 1: 26-16

2011 F1 season

Start, Silverstone, 2011

Start, Silverstone, 2011

With half the season done, there is still half the season left to run.

Well, not quite, but with nine out of 19 races in the books it’s time to see how the drivers are getting on.

Here’s the first part of my mid-season driver rankings plus some of your views on the drivers from the forum.

Share your view on the drivers rated below in the comments.

26. Narain Karthikeyan

Beat team mate in qualifying 0/7
Beat team mate in race 1/5
Races finished 6/7
Laps spent ahead of team mate 125/346

It was much more of a surprise to see Narain Karthikeyan being handed an F1 return with HRT than it was to see him dropped from the team halfway through the year.

Even so, the team should have done him the courtesy of letting him know he was being replaced before he read about it online.

Narain is constantly raising the bar for the pay driver stereotype: slow, back-marking rich guys whose sponsors earn them drive with the Formula One minnows. His performances against Liuzzi are evocative of pay driver Ricardo Rosset and Vincenzo Sospiri in the MasterCard Lola car, respectively.
PortuGoose

Narain Karthikeyan 2011 form guide

Daniel Ricciardo, HRT, Silverstone, 2011

Daniel Ricciardo, HRT, Silverstone, 2011

25. Daniel Ricciardo

Beat team mate in qualifying 0/1
Beat team mate in race 0/1
Races finished 1/1
Laps spent ahead of team mate 1/49

Making a race debut with a back-of-the-grid team brings particular difficulties. As new drivers having so few opportunities to test F1 cars today compared to four or five years ago, we should adjust our expectations accordingly.

The only benchmark Ricciardo can be measured against in his single F1 start to date is his team mate. He was slightly closer to Liuzzi in qualifying and the race than Karthikeyan had been, which is a good start.

Can’t say we’ve seen much, perhaps see him in a Toro Rosso next year.
James_mc

Daniel Ricciardo 2011 form guide

24. Jerome d’Ambrosio

Beat team mate in qualifying 2/9
Beat team mate in race 2/5
Races finished 8/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 85/411

Nine races into Jerome d’Ambrosio’s career he’s shown himself to be a safe pair of hands.

Missing the 107% cut in Montreal was a moot point, and he’s lost out to Liuzzi’s HRT on a couple of occasions. But he’s not been completely blown into the weeds by Timo Glock.

Seems to be holding his own as a rookie slightly better than his predecessor Di Grassi, but nothing amazing so far.
Electrolite

Jerome d’Ambrosio 2011 form guide

23. Jarno Trulli

Beat team mate in qualifying 1/9
Beat team mate in race 2/4
Races finished 7/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 176/369

Clearly unhappy with the handling of the new Lotus, particularly its steering. After nine races it’s surprising this veteran of 243 Grands Prix hasn’t got the car working to his liking yet.

The qualifying scoreline makes particularly grim reading for a driver once regarded as a one-lap specialist.

Too big of a gap from his team mate and only escaping the last position for obvious reasons. Don’t believe he should leave since I enjoy seeing old blood racing against young blood.
dpod

Jarno Trulli 2011 form guide

22. Vitantonio Liuzzi

Beat team mate in qualifying 8/8
Beat team mate in race 5/6
Races finished 6/8
Laps spent ahead of team mate 269/395

Not too proud to turn down a drive in the slowest car in F1 to keep his career going, it’s thanks to Liuzzi the team finds itself ahead of Virgin in the constructors’ championship.

He’s kept Glock and D’Ambrosio honest in qualifying and even claimed the odd scalp on Sunday.

I’ve defended Liuzzi before and i’ve slated him before. This year though, as a team leader, he’s doing a great job. However, for the vast majority of the season he’s been compared to Karthikeyan which may explain this.
sw6569

Vitantonio Liuzzi 2011 form guide

Pedro de la Rosa, Sauber, Montreal, 2011

Pedro de la Rosa, Sauber, Montreal, 2011

21. Pedro de la Rosa

Beat team mate in qualifying 0/1
Beat team mate in race 0/1
Races finished 1/1
Laps spent ahead of team mate 0/70

Parachuted in for one race with the team that dropped him last year, de la Rosa did about as well as could be expected in difficult circumstances.

Did okay under the circumstances in Canada.
slr

Pedro de la Rosa 2011 form guide

20. Pastor Maldonado

Beat team mate in qualifying 5/9
Beat team mate in race 1/6
Races finished 6/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 186/434

Maldonado’s arrival at Williams, usurping Nico H?â??lkenberg and wielding a thick wedge of PDVSA cash, attracted much negative comment before he’d as much as turned a wheel.

His first half-season hasn’t been the disaster some expected, but nor has he covered himself in glory all that often. A stand-out exception was Monaco, where he was on course for a points finish before colliding with Lewis Hamilton.

Three appearances in Q3 after a bad start to his rookie season were very welcome by Williams. He has been unlucky in those races where he was strong (Monaco) and in the others has been not fast enough to grant him his first points.
Fixy

19. Vitaly Petrov

Beat team mate in qualifying 6/9
Beat team mate in race 2/7
Races finished 8/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 282/518

Got the year off to a fine start with a podium finish at Melbourne.

Since then there hasn’t been much to celebrate. Petrov has found himself increasingly out-classed by Nick Heidfeld on race day and although he retains a slight edge in qualifying, Heidfeld is eroding that as well.

Seems do handle qualifying in a decent manner with blistering quick starts. Race pace has not been as good as it should.
Dpod

Vitaly Petrov 2011 form guide

18. Jaime Alguersuari

Beat team mate in qualifying 2/9
Beat team mate in race 2/6
Races finished 7/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 153/459

At the beginning of the year Alguersuari could find neither performance nor durability from the Pirelli tyres, and struggled relative to his team mate.

He has turned that around in recent races, however, and finished the last three in the points. It raises the prospect of a fascinating battle between him and Sebastien Buemi over the remainder of the season, while Ricciardo covetously eyes their places in the team.

Needed some time but now he’s up to speed he’s had some great races and he needs to keep that up if he wants to stay at the Red Bull family, as some other drivers are knocking on that door.
Enigma

Jaime Alguersuari 2011 form guide

17. Rubens Barrichello

Beat team mate in qualifying 4/9
Beat team mate in race 5/6
Races finished 7/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 248/434

Barrichello has come under some pressure from his new team mate in qualifying. But in the races the vast benefit of over 300 races and nearly two decades in F1 is telling.

He’s accounted for all the team’s points this year and shown some great touches when the car has allowed him to, such as his opportunistic pass on Michael Schumacher at Monaco.

Still has the talent, but not being done any favours by the utterly disappointing FW33.
xxiinophobia

Rubens Barrichello 2011 form guide

16. Adrian Sutil

Beat team mate in qualifying 2/9
Beat team mate in race 4/7
Races finished 8/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 228/509

The qualifying scoreline makes grim reading for Sutil up against his new team mate.

Di Resta has proven capable of racing at his team mate’s level right from the off, even on tracks he hasn’t seen before.

Sutil may have the points advantage but on the evidence of their form so far he’ll have to up his game to stay ahead in the second half of the year.

Has been thrashed by his rookie team mate on Saturdays but has looked pretty strong on Sundays. He still makes way too many mistakes though, and hasn’t matured as much as people expected him to. He was having a much stronger and consistent season last year.
Todfod

Adrian Sutil 2011 form guide

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162 comments on 2011 half season driver rankings part 1: 26-16

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  1. I was hoping to debate a bit but I completely agree.

    First time I’ve been commented on one of these articles too :)

    • slr said on 15th July 2011, 12:33

      Apart from Petrov, I also agree pretty much.

      • bob80 said on 15th July 2011, 15:12

        A agree too. Definitely too harsh about Petrov – he is only few point away from Nick and constantly beats him in qualifying. Heidfeld is lucky because new rules made qualifying less important. With 2010 rules Pertov would be Renault star.

        • f1andy83 said on 15th July 2011, 15:33

          My only comment is that I believe Senna would have done a better job than Heidfeld.

          • bob80 said on 15th July 2011, 16:05

            We don’t have point of reference to asses properly Senna tough I still can’t forget him being beaten by Kilen by 1s in Singapore qualifying (no bad lack involved and Senna was clearly dismayed in post qualifying interview).

          • slr said on 15th July 2011, 16:24

            I think Heidfeld is doing a better job. Heidfeld been unlucky on a few occasions, if Lady Luck was on his side a bit more, he could be comfortably ahead of Petrov in the standings.

          • DVC said on 15th July 2011, 23:28

            That’s a bit harsh. I know everyone is talking about how great Senna was with the movie and everything, but Heidfeld is definitely doing a better job than a dead man could do.

            What? Too soon?

          • Mike said on 16th July 2011, 7:00

            Way too soon.

          • electrolite (@electrolite) said on 16th July 2011, 22:58

            DVC, he clearly meant Bruno. Unless you’re joking.

      • RIISE (@riise) said on 15th July 2011, 20:19

        Why? Vitaly has been very average. Whatever happened to shining now Kubica is out of action? Heidfeld is out driving him, not in qualifying admittedly but the race is where it counts and he just hasn’t been up to the task. Perfectly justifiable ranking position.

      • I don’t agree with the harshness being dished out to Narain (I’m not talking about the rankings, Keith, but in the general sense).

        He has been away from the F1 scene for nearly 5 years, and taking that into consideration, he has done a great job in my view. He may be down on his team-mate but there were occasions when he led him in the race and Liuzzi is someone who has been in the sport throughout, with Toro Rosso and then Force India. Contrast that with Narain who was dabbling with NASCAR trucks! These are motorsports on two different sides of the spectrum. And yet he made many think at the beginning of the season that he had stepped out of the cockpit only yesterday.

        It’s stupid to read some posts that compare him to Rosset and Yoong, drivers who failed to even qualify for races as against their teammates. Just because Narain is a pay driver it doesn’t mean he must be pounced upon like this.

    • SVettel (@) said on 16th July 2011, 10:13

      Does that mean Heikki Kovalainen is in the top 15 despite being behind a majority of the drivers in the championship?

      • RIISE (@riise) said on 16th July 2011, 10:21

        You’re looking at it with tunnel vision. You have to work out rankings relatively between car performance and performance against their team-mate. Heikki has done a brilliant job. Especially his quali performances. A worthy top 15, no doubt.

        • SVettel (@) said on 16th July 2011, 11:37

          I understand now.
          I thought it was based purely on the championship standings.
          Thanks RIISE

    • Fixy (@fixy) said on 16th July 2011, 16:09

      I got the last two right! And Trulli and D’Ambrosio swapped. Then nothing!

    • AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 16th July 2011, 19:59

      Yea, there isn’t much to argue with to be honest. A nice refresher lesson in the season so far :)

  2. electrolite (@electrolite) said on 15th July 2011, 9:32

    I’ll agree to disagree about Alguersuari and Petrov being that low down, but great article none the less :P

    • electrolite (@electrolite) said on 15th July 2011, 9:35

      Actually, now I look at the stats you’ve put up Keith, I reconsider. I had no idea Alguersuari was being beaten 2/9 in racing and quali by Buemi? Mental.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 15th July 2011, 10:49

        He was, strange how he seems to struggle with the first half of a season before getting beter in the middle half. Fitness, Focus or getting used to the car? Not heeding him to be the next Red Bull driver at all. But Buemi is also isn’t.

        Petrov looked like really getting a lead on, but some mistakes and lack of pace in the races make him look just another driver.

        • plutoniumhunter said on 15th July 2011, 12:33

          So, Red Bull should hire Buemi for the first half of the year, and then Alguersuari for the 2nd half? Solves the “2 drivers not good enough for one seat” problem… =D

    • TommyB (@tommyb89) said on 15th July 2011, 21:29

      Alguersuari has done brilliantly in the last few races but was pretty average at the start of the year.

      It will be interesting to see if he can continue to impress throughout the whole year. If he continues his current form he could end up as high as about 11th or 12th in the final rankings.

      Maldonado start off poor but has started to put in some great qualifying performances and beaten Barrichello. His race seems to lack something though.

  3. Marco said on 15th July 2011, 9:49

    Buemi was beaten by Alguersuari in 3 races, not 2
    (Cnd, Eur, Gbr)
    + he was also driving ahead of him at Monaco, which was his crucial weekend in terms of understanding the tyres… But can understand excluding of Monaco, but still there is a mistake there…

  4. Cristian (@cristian) said on 15th July 2011, 9:50

    I’d put Barrichello behind Alguersuari and Petrov. And Glock behind Sutil.

  5. Todfod (@todfod) said on 15th July 2011, 9:52

    The only thing I could debate is Barrichello being that high up the order. I thought his rookie teammate has been much more impressive than him this season. I would put Rubens at #20 and Pastor at #19.

    I completely agree about putting Vitaly that low though, other than the first race of the season he hasn’t even been as good as his teammate.

    • Mike said on 15th July 2011, 12:19

      Beat team mate in race 5/6

      Pastors race pace is quite problematic for him. I think it’ll take a bit longer to overhaul Rubens, even if he can line it up in the pleasant half of the grid.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 15th July 2011, 17:14

        I think he had/has a lot of trouble finising the races where he actually did well.

      • Todfod (@todfod) said on 15th July 2011, 23:58

        I agree that Pastor doesn’t have stellar Sundays. But he would have finished 6th in Monaco if it wasn’t for Hamilton’s mistake, and that would have given Williams their best result of the year, and it would have catapulted Maldonado in front of Rubens in the points standings.

        • The Last Pope said on 16th July 2011, 1:44

          Hamilton made no mistake, It was an agressive overtake and Maldonado slammed the door, this is a racing incident. Maldonado’s error was not knowing what was at stake. That mistake cost him and Williams 7th place.

          • UKfanatic (@) said on 16th July 2011, 4:59

            again “The Last Pope” it was a kamikaze move considering the conditions lewis thought that he had more to win than to lose but he forgot that 6th place for a team like williams is much more valuable than it is for mclaren. the end

          • Mike said on 16th July 2011, 7:03

            Last pope was right, both drivers could have avoided it, it happens.

            @Todfod “would have”…

          • Todfod (@todfod) said on 16th July 2011, 8:50

            @Mike.. yes.. “Would haves” and “ifs”. Just trying to say that that 5/6 race stastic isn’t all black and white.

  6. Marco said on 15th July 2011, 9:54

    I strongly disagree with the rating of Sutil… He is clearly ahead of Di Resta in terms of points and also slightly ahead in race battles – 4:3… So, why this low rating for him? Because of qualifying, which is not rewarded with points? Oh, I forgot, Sutil is not from Great Britain… :)

    • Hamish said on 15th July 2011, 10:21

      Just like Andy Murray – British if hes winning, Scottish is hes losing.

      Yep, got to love the battlers of world sport – the English.

    • F1 98 said on 15th July 2011, 10:31

      Sutil is good but he is getiing beat by
      Di res ta in qualifying

      • Marco said on 15th July 2011, 10:34

        And?

        • Alianora La Canta (@alianora-la-canta) said on 15th July 2011, 11:13

          Paul would have finished ahead of Adrian (and scored some points) in Britain had it not been for a tyre mix-up in the pits due to Adrian having a puncture when Paul planned to pit. It affected both drivers but affected Paul a lot more. Had it not been for that, Paul would be beating Adrian in the race ratings.

          A lot of Adrian’s points advantage is due to Monaco, where he was lucky to finish after crashing. While I maintain the car had damage prior to the crash from an earlier contact with Kobayashi, the fact remains that without the Safety Car Adrian would have had 0 points instead of 3, and possibly a non-finish.

          What makes it worse for Adrian is that Paul is a rookie. As a general rule, rookies are not supposed to defeat drivers in their 5th year of competition that are on the way up, as this makes the rookie leapfrog the experienced driver in the consideration of team bosses.

          The statistics in this case do not tell the full story, and that is why Paul is riding so high, relatively speaking, in reviews like this.

          • Marco said on 15th July 2011, 11:28

            Sutil was in Silverstone race YET AGAIN on Di Resta s pace… His managing of tyres was better then the Scots and he was catching him up quickly… People are underrating Sutil and over-hyping Di Resta to death… For better qualifyings and just 2 scored points for 2 10th places… Not to mention too many mistakes of Di Resta in last races…

          • topdowntoedown (@topdowntoedown) said on 15th July 2011, 12:34

            Sutil was in Silverstone race YET AGAIN on Di Resta s pace

            The very fact that you’re saying “A driver who has been in F1 for four years is on the pace of his team-mate” is damning Sutil. He should be beating the rookie easily.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 15th July 2011, 17:17

            I guess that should have been

            …in F1 for four years is on the pace of his rookie team-mate

            to make the point made really sink in.
            I agree, he should be doing a lot better if he wants to go higher up in F1.

          • infy (@infy) said on 16th July 2011, 1:55

            Being a rookie means nothing.

    • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 15th July 2011, 12:40

      Not this again…

      Sutil has been in F1 for 4 years now. Yet he can only beat a rookie who hasn’t even been racing in single-seaters for a couple of years 4 out of 7 times. He’s also been out-qualified 7 times and led his team-mate less than half of the laps they’ve both been on the circuit. That is pretty poor.

      • Marco said on 15th July 2011, 14:52

        You probably should read the last interview of Adrian Sutil to make a picture about 2011 season… New drivers have not so many problems with this year tyres, because they didn t drive the Bridgestones before, so they were not in a need to change their driving style! This is a quite important point!

        • Trix (@) said on 15th July 2011, 15:30

          And yet, the I-need-to-adapt-to-them-darn-Pirelli-tyres could be applied to the majority of the grid.

          It’s always something with Sutil. The steering, the tyres, the broken glass, etc. It is getting hard to find a proper way to defend him while we are nearing the mid-season. It’s been many weekends and a driver’s adaptation skills is just one more required set of talent they must possess.

        • TdM said on 15th July 2011, 17:53

          No you are right Di Resta doesn’t need to adapt to the new tyres… Only the entire car and concept of F1 in comparison to DTM. Man he SO has the easy side of this deal.

          • Marco said on 15th July 2011, 20:54

            Sutil has a strong race pace, is a solid overtaker (Castrols 1st place of 2010 season) and has 5x more points then Di Resta… That s what counts… And looking at qualifyings, he is only 1 tenth behind Di Resta on average, which is minimum…

        • RIISE (@riise) said on 15th July 2011, 20:33

          Sorry, being used to the Bridgestones is not a viable reason to being outpaced by your team mate. Sutil should be beating Di Resta comfortably but he simply isn’t. I see no reason why FI would want to keep him as Paul is simply going to outclass him constantly once he gets more experience.

          • Marco said on 15th July 2011, 20:38

            Drivers championship:

            12. Sutil – 10 pts
            17. Di Resta 2 pts

            Still don t know about “what beating” you are talking about, guys… :D

      • AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 16th July 2011, 20:00

        Sutil’s best time for me was the back end of 2009, since then he’s been largely quiet and a bit underwhelming to be honest.

    • Steph said on 15th July 2011, 13:32

      The bias comments have made me lsoe the will to live never mind the will to argue against them.

      Sutil’s being beaten in qualifying by a rookie and that is significant. Qualifying is about wringing the neck of the car and getting absolutely everything out of it and with so many years more experience than Paul he shouldn’t be troubled in this area. Races can have a lot of variables to swing a good result but qualifying is more of a level playing field to determine pace.

      If Sutil’s being troubled by someone with a lot less experience already in qualifying then what is he going to be like when Paul perfects his racing? So far Paul’s been in a lot of incidents which has hurt him but when he keeps his nose clean Sutil’s going to be in a lot of trouble.

      Oh and everything Itchyes said too :P

      • Marco said on 15th July 2011, 14:57

        So then you should write a letter to FIA about canceling all races as they seems to be useless… Then you can enjoy those one lap pace battles and praise the “fantastic” Di Resta, who is good in qualifying, but mediocre in race…

        • That’s not what I said Marco and nor do I think it. My point is though that on pace Sutil’s already being beaten with someone with relatively no experience. When Paul gets a bit more experience and calms his races down then Sutil’s going to have a hard time all weekend.

          • infy (@infy) said on 16th July 2011, 1:58

            Steph, your point would be valid if drivers didnt have the choice between either a face qualifying setup or a good race pace setup. Di resta uses a qualifying setup, and that is why his race pace is so so poor.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 15th July 2011, 17:20

          Marco, fine if you want to disagree, but read the comment before critisizing, please.

          Steph clearly wrote, that when Sutil is being beaten in Q already, how will he look when DiResta gets out the rookie errors of judgement in the races. Exactly the opposite of what you imply in your statement.

          • Klaas said on 16th July 2011, 9:06

            The same thing people were thinking about Hamilton in 2007 when he was matching/beating Alonso. Now 5 years passed but he still hasn’t got out the rookie errors of judgement.

          • Alianora La Canta (@alianora-la-canta) said on 16th July 2011, 22:31

            Ah, but most people who succeed in F1 do iron out their rookie errors. Lewis happens to be in such a strong team that he has, until recent weeks, been able to cover for his errors using the stronger parts of his driving profile.

      • lecho said on 15th July 2011, 22:13

        I consider that calling the DTM champion “a rookie” is a misuse of word. Unless you’re underestimating the touring car series that is probably closest to GP racing in terms of technology and drivers.

    • PJA said on 15th July 2011, 13:55

      Considering both drivers relative experience in F1 Sutil should be easily outperforming Di Resta, especially if he wants to be moving to a better team in the future.

    • John H said on 15th July 2011, 16:13

      That’s ridiculous. Di Resta is a Rookie and his driver rating I presume takes that into account.

      If it wasn’t for the ridiculous penaltes, Di Resta would be ahead of Sutil.

      Check the previous years ranking of Sutil on this site and you might realise that nationality has nothing to do with it Marco.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 15th July 2011, 20:33

      Oh, I forgot, Sutil is not from Great Britain

      Change the record. Seriously.

      And perhaps wait to see where I’ve put Di Resta and why before leaping to conclusions.

      • UKfanatic (@) said on 16th July 2011, 5:04

        every day reading stupid comments, don’t know how you can keep aswering politely.

      • Soumya said on 16th July 2011, 5:24

        Why should he?? This is a British site,its not surprising Di Resta would be hyped as the next world champion,here. Now,if there were a few more Germans here…

        • Mike said on 16th July 2011, 7:21

          Then there probably would be more people hyping the German drivers in the comments.

          Keith has shown a balanced view again and again. If you don’t agree, wouldn’t it be far better to explain why you don’t agree? Further enhancing the sites comment section? Rather than just taking a baseball bat his journalism.

          • 1 of the 3 said on 16th July 2011, 15:57

            I don’t agree with Marco on the Great Britain business, but I completely disagree with Steph’s comment overall and Sutil’s poor rating here.

            Sutil IS doing “anything” and “something”. He’s getting points for his mid-field team and di Resta isn’t.

            Of course di Resta’s team have made errors that have cost him, but that’s how it goes.

            I also think Sutil is perhaps the most loathed driver in F1 by the fans for his Camp Euro aesthetic.

            Ultimately, though, I believe a fair assessment is that Sutil is getting destroyed in qualifying by di Resta but has managed to beat his teammate and other mid-fielders where is matters. He’s 12th now. Look at who is ahead of him – should he honestly be any higher?

            Of course there have been errors by

          • AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 16th July 2011, 20:02

            I fail to see why anyone would feel obliged to support their ‘home’ drivers anyway. Hell, Lewis Hamilton’s team was founded by a Kiwi and powered by a German engine.

          • DVC said on 16th July 2011, 22:55

            If people didn’t support there home driver there would be no pressure on FI to find an Indian driver, people wouldn’t keep talking about how long it has been since there was an Italian at Ferrari, Maldonado’s sponsors wouldn’t have paid as much money to get him into F1, no one would have noted that last race was the first time since the 70s there were two Australian drivers, etc. etc.

            It’s a reality. People support their local team in football more than they support another, same goes for F1 drivers. Maybe if the teams were more evenly spread you’d see more of a focus on them, but otherwise…

  7. F1 98 said on 15th July 2011, 10:01

    Wheres glock

  8. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 15th July 2011, 10:03

    Apart from Australia he hasn’t impressed.

    Apparently Australia is the only race you’ve watched this year. In 2010, Vitaly Petrov only qualified in Q3 once or twice. This year, he qualified in Q3 for five straight races and anrrowly missed out on it twice.

    • Ned Flanders (@ned-flanders) said on 15th July 2011, 11:17

      I’m not a huge Petrov fan, but I’d agree he’s achieved quite a lot this season, and I think he shouldn’t have been ranked so low.

      Are drivers who appear to be gradually improving favoured over those who are dropping back? Even if it’s more the fault of the team than the driver himself?

      With Petrov taking his podium almost 4 months ago, it almost seems like a different season now. But, I suspect if it had’ve happened more recently, he would be on for a much higher placing.

      He has struggled a bit in the races, but he is comprehensively outpacing Heidfeld- or at least he was until the last couple of races.

      Based on the last two races, 19th would seem like a fair ranking, but considering how well he did before that it seems very harsh

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 15th July 2011, 11:56

        I think Petrov’s biggest problem is that he tends to race in absolutes. He either does very well or has a very average race, and a lot of the outcome is decided from the beginning of the weekend. If he has a good Firday, he’ll have a good race. Likewise, if he has a poor Friday, it will be refelcted in his qualifying and race results. It’s easy to look at his stats and see he’s only beaten Nick Heidfeld twice from the nine races to date – but it’s really not that bad when you consider that Heidfeld has only just overtaken him in the points standings.

      • Juan Pablo Heidfeld (@juan-pablo-heidfeld-1) said on 15th July 2011, 11:59

        Considering Heidfeld’s inconsistent qualifying, in most races Heidfeld drives better than Petrov and usually beats him. He has more points as well

        • Mike said on 15th July 2011, 12:22

          Yeah, Petrov manages to go backwards during the races far too often. He’s got some talent, just needs some time to get it out of him.

          • Fixy (@fixy) said on 15th July 2011, 12:31

            We could say Petrov is a rookie and Heidfeld has experience, so it’s obvious that “Quick” Nick beats him in the races, but I think it’s the opposite: Petrov is young and is in his second season, Heidfeld is relatively old and has never achieved anything in his career, so Vitaly should beat him more often than not.

          • Mike said on 16th July 2011, 7:27

            http://f1-facts.com/statistics/drivers

            Not sure how up to date that is, but it shows him as having the 29th most points of any driver 1950 onwards.

            That’s not a bad stat.

          • DVC said on 16th July 2011, 22:58

            Yes, but if you normalise the points per race, and then normalise it again per season, he’d drop back a fair bit wouldn’t he?

    • David-A (@david-a) said on 15th July 2011, 17:08

      @PM – he did well in the race at Canada too, where he ended up 5th, while Heidfeld made that schoolboy error hitting Kobayashi.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 15th July 2011, 17:23

        Yeah, very true.

        I think he would deserve a better place. Monaco was a good race for him as well, right until he got Alguersuari stuck up on him at that incident, and that was not his fault.

    • RIISE (@riise) said on 15th July 2011, 20:37

      Until he gets his race pace sorted he isn’t getting any praise. Qualifying isn’t the way to judge a driver, particularly with today’s F1.

  9. Ben N said on 15th July 2011, 10:05

    Wherever Glock ends up in this he is far too far ahead of d’Ambrosio who has actually been quite close to him.

    Other than that I agree with most… except… :)

    1) How can you justify Ricciardo being ahead of Karthikeyan after 1 race. There is no question Daniel is better than Narain, but after 1 race Ricciardo did not impress, so at this point, he’d be last on my list.

    2) Alguersuari hasn’t been that bad… swap him for Glock :)

  10. unocv12 said on 15th July 2011, 10:06

    Lots to disagree about

    1) Ricciardo. AFter 1 race where he hadn’t driven it before, didn’t drive on softs until the day of quali. Spent most of the race on these tyres etc… I don’t think it’s fair to rate him as whatever you do it’s purely guess work. We don’t know how well he should have fared given the conditions, so we can’t rate him. I would give him a N/A simply because he could have done an unbelievable job to finish only that far off given everything or otherwise could ahve finished better in those circumstances. WE don’t know and so I’d given Riciardo a N/A I’d also do the same for De la Rosa

    D’Ambrosio and Trulli I would switch. Trulli is hardly doing better compared to his teammate than D’Ambrosio. D’Ambrosio is a rookie and Trulli has contined more than a quarter of a century of GP’s. And yes, I’m equating Kovalinian and Glock.

    Finally, Alguersuari. He started being smashed by Buemi, but now that he has found a setup he has already equalled him. Sure Alguersuari should have been better from the off, but his ability to now surpass his teammate should be taken into consideration and given that he has already made up the lost ground and then some I’d say putting him next to his teammate is about right, not the minimum of 4 place you have

    • electrolite (@electrolite) said on 15th July 2011, 10:13

      There was an opportunity to have an input on the rankings on the forum topic however. I too think Alguersuari should be higher, but a lot of posters were putting him around 18th so anyone that disagrees had their chance to make the difference ;)

      • unocv12 said on 15th July 2011, 11:55

        I don’t tend to post on forums and so I didn’t see the thread. I don’t even bother reading/lurking through them.

        Sounds like my opinion wouldn’t have made much difference anyway.

    • John H said on 15th July 2011, 16:27

      but his ability to now surpass his teammate should be taken into consideration

      I presume that will be shown in the end of year rankings. This is purely on the first half of the season not what might happen.

  11. Tom11 (@tom11) said on 15th July 2011, 10:09

    Ricciardo will be #1.

  12. magon4 (@magon4) said on 15th July 2011, 10:31

    I have my own ranking, based on average weekend grades I give (60%), the current form (last three races, 20%) and the highlights (best three races, 20%).
    Here’s how it is turning out (without Ricciardo and De La Rosa):
    24. Narain KARTHIKEYAN
    23. Pastor MALDONADO
    22. Jerome D’AMBROSIO
    21. Jarno TRULLI
    20. Vitaly PETROV
    19. Felipe MASSA
    18. Rubens BARRICHELLO
    17. Adrian SUTIL
    16. Paul DI RESTA
    15. Sebastien BUEMI
    14. Michael SCHUMACHER
    13. Jaime ALGUERSUARI
    12. Mark WEBBER
    11. Nico ROSBERG
    10. Timo GLOCK
    9. Vitantonio LIUZZI
    8. Sergio PEREZ
    7. Heikki KOVALAINEN
    6. Nick HEIDFELD
    5. Kamui KOBAYASHI
    4. Jenson BUTTON
    3. Lewis HAMILTON
    2. Fernando ALONSO
    1. Sebastian VETTEL

    If I didn’t base myself on my own numbers and evaluations, maybe this wouldn’t have been the picture, but I’m keeping it honest to actual 2011 performances.
    Alguersuari and Alonso have the current best form (last 3 races), Hamilton shown the most (best 3 races), and Vettel has an average of 8.0, very consistent.
    My ranking looks quite similar to Keith’s, so far.

    Just as a reference: I gave out two 10s (Hamilton in China, Button in Canada) and five 9.5s (Kobayashi in Turkey, Hamilton and Heidfeld in Spain, Vettel in Monaco, Schumacher in Canada).
    The lowest grade I gave was Webber for his home weekend (2.0), and Massa in Spain (same grade). Karthikeyan got a 2.5 in Valencia, and a 3.0 in Australia. Schumacher had a 2.5 in Turkey; Other 3.0s: Heidfeld in Australia and Maldonado in China. Horrible weekends also for Maldonado in Australia and Turkey, Petrov in Malaysia, D’Ambrosio in Monaco and Ricciardo at Silverstone.

    • F1 98 said on 15th July 2011, 10:33

      Why liuzzi in 9th

      • magon4 (@magon4) said on 15th July 2011, 10:37

        I evaluate based on the weekend and on what kind of achievements the driver had, based on the material of that weekend. I saw him doing a superb job in Canada, pretty well in Silverstone and ok in all the other races. No major mistakes, also in control, he’s been much better than last year.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 15th July 2011, 17:28

          The only thing to keep in mind, when comparing to Keiths list, is that this is more the actuall form then an evaluation of the first half of the season.

          Although I guess current form (last couple of races) also had a strong influence on all of us posting our opinions in the Forum.

      • Fixy (@fixy) said on 15th July 2011, 12:33

        Told you, Liuzzi should be higher than Glock, as is on this list.

    • magon4 (@magon4) said on 15th July 2011, 10:35

      just a comment on Buemi x Alguersuari; the spaniard is only ahead because of his current high form. Buemi has had an average grade of 6.39, Alguersuari 5.94.

      For brazilian readers, I have been reporting extensively on my blog http://www.blogdosmanos.com, with these and more stats, all race reports and pre race comments. Is this little advertisement ok, Keith? Sorry if it’s not…

      • Marco said on 15th July 2011, 10:38

        I think Alguersuari can mantain this good form… His only problem were the tyres and the problem seems to be solved… :) The replay of 2010 is expected… ;)

        • magon4 (@magon4) said on 15th July 2011, 10:40

          I believe Buemi is better, and I kind of hope he will prove it, he’ll bounce back.

          • Marco said on 15th July 2011, 11:21

            Buemi is only better in qualifying… that s his all “magic”…

          • CarlitosF1 said on 15th July 2011, 14:35

            On the never ending Buemi vs Alguersuari discussion, we should factor in that pure speed aside, Buemi has already showed once how having a fast teammate (Jaime himself, 2nd half of 2010) is enough to make him lose concentration and crack under the pressure.

            That may very well happen again this year, which would definitely reveal that Buemi’s flaws are psychological and chronic, and Jaime’s flaws are technical and will sort themselves out as he gains experience.

            In other words, Buemi might be the quicker of the two overall (I believe he is), but if over two complete seasons he fails to capitalise on that and stand head and shoulders above Jaime, then it’s Buemi who is doomed.

    • Marco said on 15th July 2011, 10:35

      Not a bad rating, I have to say! :)

    • soundscape (@soundscape) said on 15th July 2011, 11:22

      Bit rough on Mark Webber I would’ve thought. He may not have won a race yet this season but his consistency has been remarkable.

      • F1fan55 said on 15th July 2011, 12:47

        Yeah, he’s still 2nd in the championship, so for only being the 12th best driver, that’s a great effort, even if he has the best car!

    • Fixy (@fixy) said on 15th July 2011, 12:35

      So teams should chose their drivers based on this list… Liuzzi should be in a top team!

    • Macca (@macca) said on 15th July 2011, 12:53

      The lowest grade I gave was Webber for his home weekend (2.0)

      How can you possibly justify giving him a 2. He qualified on the front row and finished 5th. Not a bad weekend in my opinion.

      • HoHum (@hohum) said on 15th July 2011, 13:48

        Theres lies, dammed lies and then theres statistics.

      • unocv12 said on 15th July 2011, 14:44

        And had a bad car…… Suggesting that any driver including NK has never had a worser weekend this year is quite pathetic at best.

      • David-A (@david-a) said on 15th July 2011, 17:16

        He qualified on the front row

        No he didn’t. Hamilton was a tenth ahead, with Vettel seven further tenths ahead.

        I agree that 2/10 is very harsh (especially when Narain was never given anything lower). But there’s no denying it was a tepid performance.

        • Macca (@macca) said on 16th July 2011, 6:22

          No he didn’t. Hamilton was a tenth ahead, with Vettel seven further tenths ahead.

          Sorry, my mistake. But still, that doesn’t deserve a 2. Maybe a 5 or 6.

  13. Very harsh on Petrov. He has only 3 pts less than the much more experienced Heidfeld and regularly has out qualified him.

    BTW Keith I keep getting tabs/browsers needing to be recovered on several different machines with the site lately.

    • magon4 (@magon4) said on 15th July 2011, 10:53

      quick explanation: Petrov had six below average weekends, Heidfeld two (out of the first three). Petrov was brilliant in Australia, Heidfeld in Malaysia and Spain. Petrov was good in China, Heidfeld in Turkey and at Silverstone. And the german was slightly above average in Monaco, Canada and Europe. Sometimes the points aren’t everything.

    • Ned Flanders (@ned-flanders) said on 15th July 2011, 11:26

      Yeah Keith, I ought to have mentioned this earlier but I am having the same annoying problem as MW, pretty much every time I click a link or submit a comment (presumably including this one). It doesn’t affect me on the Forum though, if that helps

    • Mike said on 15th July 2011, 12:26

      It’s not about how well they are doing compared to their experience though is it?

      For Petrov to be rated ahead, he’s actually got to be beating heidfeld. And at the moment it’s not happening for him.

  14. debaser91 said on 15th July 2011, 10:50

    I don’t see how you can have Petrov so low, despite your reasoning. He is three points off Heidfeld, they’ve both had a 3rd place so their results in the other races have been pretty similar. As PM pointed out last year he barely got into Q3, this year he has been regularly in the top 10 shootout. Heidfeld has hardly set the world on fire in the last three or four races so I think that shows the car is less competitive than it was at the start of the year.

    I looked at last year’s rankings, Petrov was ranked 20 when he was blown being blown out of the water by Kubica. I think he has been much better this year so should be higher, haven’t given it much though where exactly but he was the one who stood out to me as too low.

    • magon4 (@magon4) said on 15th July 2011, 10:54

      This year the quality in drivers is pretty high. I only have seven drivers performing below average, out of 24. Petrov is surely one of them.

      • debaser91 said on 15th July 2011, 11:05

        Your system seems to take into account the performance of the driver relative to the car more than Keith’s. For example I am almost certain Webber will be in the top 10 of Keith’s despite how far he is behind Vettel.

        A big factor is performance relative to your team mate. Heidfeld was going to get solid points in Canada but even still he would not be that far ahead of Petrov. I know points aren’t everything because otherwise it would suggest Michael Schumacher is having a reasonable season (compared to Rosberg) but still I personally would have Petrov higher, and Heidfeld lower than they are in your rankings. I like the rest of the list though.

  15. infy (@infy) said on 15th July 2011, 10:51

    I disagree with Sutil being lower ranked than his team mate, when Sutil has five times as many points as his rookie team mate.

    I can understand he is losing in qualifying, but we all know what happens on race day is what counts. Qualifying is also not a good bench mark because in the setup you can sacrifice race pace for qualifying pace, which is what I think Di resta is doing – to get exposure.

    I’m no fan of Sutil, but I believe he deserves to be better ranked than his team mate.

    And ranking some one higher simply because they are a rookie, is really, really stupid.

    • magon4 (@magon4) said on 15th July 2011, 10:56

      Di Resta has been overall better than Sutil in 6 out of 9 races, forget about the qualifying. The lack of points makes it clear that Sutil has been more successful, but Di Resta is having clearly the better season so far. I do think this still might change.

      • infy (@infy) said on 15th July 2011, 11:16

        You are speaking in opposites.

        Your saying he is having a better season than his team mate, who has five times as many points as him. Do you see the failed logic?

        Points is what counts.

      • Marco said on 15th July 2011, 11:23

        Di Resta was better in 6 races? And which ones, if I may ask? In last 4 races, Di Resta made 3 mistakes… (1 crash and 2 collisons)

    • phildick (@phildick) said on 15th July 2011, 14:49

      I guess that’s the reason:
      Adrian Sutil – Laps spent ahead of team mate – 228/509
      So he’s been outqualified and outpaced by a rookie. Of course DiResta makes too many mistakes but on the whole he’s still better.

      And the 5:1 points ratio argument is a little unjust and misleading, to say the least: Sutil has only 10 points, so DiResta could make it 5:1 on points in just two races provided that he wins them ;)

      Generally speaking Sutil hasn’t improved lately and though he may be a good driver of choice for a low-midfield team I guess he won’t get to the top.

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